Hismasterpiece:


The kind that passes all understanding.

Ephesians 3:19
[19]May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

Firstly I don't believe the above words. Secondly Jesus is the messenger of God not the son of God.
Thirdly you have to accept and follow the rules of the prophets of God before you can know God

Alennsar:


Firstly I don't believe the above words. Secondly Jesus is the messenger of God not the son of God.
Thirdly you have to accept and follow the rules of the prophets of God before you can know God

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colp2015:
The death of Jesus Christ put an end to the first human creation headed by Adam.

Implications:

The path is clear for anyone who believes in Christ to know, approach, and relate to God.

Also, the believer can recognize, reject, and resist ungodliness which hitherto could not be resisted.

If Adam the first human on earth is such a great sinner, why did Jesus not take his place instead.

And what will happen to all those who have died before the coming of Jesus
What evidence do you have to support the fact that Jesus has saved the world because for me, the sin of Adam is none of my business.

Leonardemma1:


i am still yet to understand how the death of Jesus can actually be called a sacrifice when he knew he was going to resurrect after three days. to my understanding sacrificing means doing away with something valuable often with no expectation of getting it back

The sacrifice in the death of jesus is simply that he gave himself as a ransom to the Romans in order not to loose his followers to them(the Romans) so that the disciples in turn would carry his message to the rest of the world.

Jesus answered, “I have told you that I am He. Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their way,” that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”

john 18v8-9

Alennsar:


If Adam the first human on earth is such a great sinner, why did Jesus not take his place instead.

Adam was not a great sinner.

Adam and Eve were oblivious to satanic presence in the garden of Eden.

The instruction not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was intended to set their nature in one of two possible outcomes - divine nature or transient and independent nature.

Their choice of transient life which is Independent of God was made by ignorance fueled by deception.

God was partly responsible for the drama in the garden, because He knew what Adam and Eve were ignorant of; so to be fair in His dealings, He promised a divine provision to help Man arrive at divine nature - His original plan for Man.

Alennsar:

And what will happen to all those who have died before the coming of Jesus?

Those who died before the first advent of Christ, His death, and resurrection were not subject to eternal life, neither are they subject to eternal perdition either.

They simply received a just reward for their works immediately after death.

The reward could be a state of rest and bliss or restlessness and torment after death.

Alennsar:

What evidence do you have to support the fact that Jesus has saved the world because for me, the sin of Adam is none of my business.

Your question reminds me of my days as a free thinker.

There is no thought expressed anywhere in Scriptures to suggest the salvation of mankind.

What is written instead is that the Lord Jesus Christ died as the Son of God for remission of sins - subject to acceptance by Man.

The other aspect of His death as the son of Man is to set the human race free from the limitations imposed by the natural life.

These limitations include, but are not limited to, sinful conducts.

How can a human die to the flesh with Jesus Christ Crucified ?
How to do it is by *sincerely asking Jesus Christ Crucified* to take your whole being (spirit, soul and body) by *His grace* to the tree of Calvary were His own flesh was crucified about 2019 years ago and insert your whole being inside that his flesh then *crucify you together with His own flesh and replace your crucified/dead flesh with His new flesh which came out from his grave on the resurrection morning*

This is done *once and forever* at a second when *you sincerely say what you mean and mean what you say*

It is a faith reality collaborating with the *Grace* of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

If you have done it, the new life of Christ Jesus Crucified will bear witness to you first in your spirit/heart/mind that Christ Jesus is the whole being(spirit, soul and body) now living inside you according Romans 8:16 thus "the Spirit of God inside the God-head bears witness with our own human spirit that we are now children of God (having the full nature of the Sonship of Jesus Christ now alive, active and in-control of our spirit, soul and body)"

From the internal confirmation you received then to the external fruits of the Holy Spirit consistently whether you are conscious or unconscious hence it is no longer about *what I should do or not do(legalism)* but a *lifestyle* of what does the *new being/life/person* inside my mortal-body want to do/achieve inorder to glorify and please himself at every tick of second and how will I use his grace to participate in this His Divine Life and purpose for each second that ticks by submitting to his instructions for each moment. This new lifestyle does not make us appear abnormal or like a psychopath rather it flows in a normal daily living of a human being but with righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17).

This is why 2 Peter 1:4 declares that we are partakers in the Divine Life of God.

1 Corinthian 3:9 says we are *co-labourers* with God in his household.

This death of the flesh with the crucified Jesus Christ we *renew it every second* by agreeing in our hearts/mind/thoughts that we have *died with Jesus Christ* on the Cross of Calvary about 2019 years ago when we first believed the gospel genuinely hence it is Jesus Christ Crucified that is now living His Life through our mortal-bodies hence we experience the death of flesh with Christ on the Cross at every tick of second by this agreement within us such that we die daily with Christ(this is what it means to carry out Cross daily and follow Christ; Luke 9:23).
Because the death of Jesus Christ released upon the whole creation(things in heaven, things on earth both what we can see and what we cannot see; Colossians 1:20) a *new life* through his resurrection so also our *daily death with Christ* releases *the new life of Christ Jesus Crucified* into all creation especially human beings with or without verbal communication which leads them to salvation (repentance and remission of sin in the name of Jesus Christ Crucified) thus 2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

Any person who has died to the flesh can return to his/her old vomit (John 8:34-35, John 5:14, Hebrews 6:4-9, Hebrews 10:38, Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Timothy 4:10, Rev 3:11) and be cast into hell-fire if he/she dies without repentance. Salvation is a gift, Grace is also a gift; if you receive a gift, you can choose to use it or throw it away. however if any person who has fallen repents and confess to Jesus Christ Crucified; His blood washes away *all sin and unrighteousness* (1 John 1:9)

Any person who is humble/submissive to the Holy Spirit will be supplied and supported with grace of consistent holiness as well as increasing righteousness from one degree of glory to a higher degree of glory till biological death or the archangel's trumpet (John 14:16, 1 Corinthian 1:8-9, Jude 1:24-25, Matthew 24:13, Romans 11:4-6, Matthew 28:20, 2 Corinthian 3:17-18, John 17:17, 2 Timothy 1:12, James 4:6, Titus 2:11-14, Hebrews 12:28, Hebrews 13:5)

Great Grace Brethren!!!

Ephesians 5:3-14 Amplified Bible (AMP)
3 But sexual immorality and all [moral] impurity [indecent, offensive behavior] or greed must not even be hinted at among you, as is proper among saints [for as believers our way of life, whether in public or in private, reflects the validity of our faith]. 4 Let there be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse [obscene or vulgar] joking, because such things are not appropriate [for believiers]; but instead speak of your thankfulness [to God].

*5 For be sure of this: no immoral, impure, or greedy person—for that one is [in effect] an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God [for such a person places a higher value on something other than God].

6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments [that encourage you to sin], for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience [those who habitually sin]. 7 So do not participate or even associate with them [in the rebelliousness of sin].*

8 For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of Light [live as those who are native-born to the Light] 9 (for the fruit [the effect, the result] of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10 trying to learn [by experience] what is pleasing to the Lord [and letting your lifestyles be examples of what is most acceptable to Him—your behavior expressing gratitude to God for your salvation]. 11 Do not participate in the worthless and unproductive deeds of darkness, but instead expose them [by exemplifying personal integrity, moral courage, and godly character]; 12 for it is disgraceful even to mention the things that such people practice in secret. 13 But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light [of God’s precepts], for [a]it is light that makes everything visible. 14 For this reason He says,

“Awake, sleeper,
And arise from the dead,
And Christ will shine [as dawn] upon you and give you light.”

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lucky4west:
what an interesting write up...reading thru the comments i have seen how justice has been done by others particularly Ochibuogu5(a master stroke ) in responding to your assertions....anybody who die in sin cannot inherit the kingdom of God take it or leave it...once saved always saved is not a true gospel....he that committed sin is of the devil...a lot of Christians are in hell today because of such half baked gospel, there is no repentance in the grave so if a believer die in sin where will they repent again to inherit the kingdom of God?...it is thoughts like this that gave birth to false doctrines like purgatory, no hell etc...please if you are reading this and sincerely want to make heaven endeavor to live a holy life confess and forsake all sins known and unknown, avoid willful sin and keep company of heavenly conscious friends...don't delude urself that there is a second chance after here, trust me once ur eyes are closed in death its the beginning of eternity either in heaven or hell...the choice is yours!

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Uncle did u just say alot of people are in hell today? when did u return?

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