SLAP44:
I love yoruba people and I am igbo.

SLAP44:
I love yoruba people and I am igbo.

cbrass:
1.Number 16 is sacred in Yoruba Land

The beads on all Crowns created from Ile-Ife(Ancestral Crowns) must be 16 in number.
There are 16 Odu Ifa(Ifa incarnations).
Ile-Ife have 16 elders(now kings) who advises the Olufe(Ooni).
There are 16 points in Ibadan, although all cities in Yoruba land only have 4 entries

2.Olowo's Palace is the Oldest Palace In Yoruba Land

Many people used to think every thing about the Yoruba people started from Ife, but that is not entirely true. The Oldest Palace in Yoruba land is that of Olowo In Owo Ondo state. The palace is about 10,000years old.

3.Oduduwa is not the first King in Ile - Ife

Contrary to believes which Originated from lies and fables been spread around about Oduduwau being the first king of Ile -Ife there has been about 90 kings before Oduduwa , among them Is Obalufon ,Obamakin etc

4.Yorubas have a close relationship with the Gobiri tribe of Borno
From the time of Oduduwa there was a relationship with the Borno tribe and up to this day , Gobiri people won't engage any Yoruba man in a quarrel because they see them as brothers

5.The word YORUBA was given to Oyo people alone
Prior to 1903 , the only people that do answer the name Yoruba were only Oyo people alone, but in 1903 the British government asked everyone including those in Ilorin to bear the name Yoruba since we all cam from Ile-Ife , though the Ooni at that time rejected it but he later agreed

The Ooni was not the first title of kings in Ile-Ife

Prior to the Ooni title , there have been titles like Owa,Ooye and Olufe

6. Ile - Ife was the Capital city

Ile -Ife was the capital city of all Yoruba towns , so Ambassadors are selected to represent other towns in Ile Ife, it is out of these Ambassadors who are 16 in numbers that the Olufe is chosen, then some very confidant of 3 Ambassadors are the ones who can see the Olufe while the rest may never see him again till he dies

7.Not all Yorubas are descendant of Oduduwa

Contrary to lies that all Yorubas came from Oduduwa, there has been towns and places in existence before he began to rule, some of these towns are Ilesha,IjebuOwo,Oba-ile etc...in fact the House of Ogedengbe in present day Ilesa is older than Oduduwa

8.Odudwa was Born in Ile-ife

There was no such thing as Oduduwa falling from the sky (These Folklore started from Oba-Ile in present day Akure) , these were just lies also. Oduduwa does not have any relationship with anyone from Bini or Benin, His brother was Obatala...

9.Ogun is the first man who learnt how to read and write

Okanbi who is also known as Ogun (the god of Iron) who was the son of Oduduwa was the first man to read and write in Yoruba land, that is why he is called Ogun Lakaye(that is Ogun who knows,can read and write) ...In fact it was written on his house Ile - ife till this day that he was the first in Yoruba land who caould read and write.

10.The word OBA started from The Obatalas

Most Yoruba kings even up to this day are called by their ancient titles e.g Owa of Ijesha Land, Ooni of Ife Alaafin of Oyo etc..the word OBA was only used for the Obatalas, eg Obalufe, Obalufo Obamakin etc but with time people begin to use the word OBA as a common noun to call a king in Yoruba how ever their title still remains.

Miner13:
pls someone should and tell me,is the poster saying yoruba owns the east

MikeBetty:
I Comment My Reserve Until After Some Weeks Without Response Or Counter Thread.

SEGLIZ:

op a well done job but from number 8 down to 10 are not in tandem with Yoruba genealogy.
obatala was no contemporary of oduduwa likewise ogun, obatala and ogun were both contemporaries for the both existed long even before oduduwa. obatala and ogun were both deities being worshipped before oduduwa. okanbi is not same as ogun.

cbrass:

. that is entirely not true.. I used to think it was so before not until I starred to explore, even in Ile Ife they know Ogun was Oduduwas son but they just deliberately kept quiet about it. The Okanbi name is the name Oyo people gave Ogun lakaye

SEGLIZ:

if you want the the truth meet an ifa priest to get your facts (someone like Yemi Elebunibon, Peter Fatomilola, etc), any Yoruba lecturer in any institution of learning.
I'm still convinced of what I know through the custodian of Yoruba culture and ife man even from the palace would claim right even to none claimable.

gregyboy:



I thank God the op had admitted some of the fact the benin people lay claims on

Oduduwa falling from the sky have always been debated by the benin people the Benin with a well documented history have always mainted oduduwa was not a sky diver or a Wonderer from Mecca but a banished Prince from benin....

The world oba was madd popular by the benins to the yorubas as stated by the o.p since all kings had their original title
So i wonder why they will take oba from obatala to represent king why didn't just take the full name fo represent king as a general term for king....i thank the o.p for clearing that fact

Olowo of owo havinv the oldest palace in yorubaland also has its monarchy from benins ,

Oba kha to kpere

Ise!!!!

cbrass:


Owo is different from Iwo.. Stop trying to twist things, you people can continue to lie to your selves but we all know the truth about Obaship in Bini..

gregyboy:


My friend am not making a mistake a quick goggke search will stoo this embarrassment you kept yourself....

cbrass:


What is this one saying sef oga go find something reasonable to do. Compliment of the season to you

gregyboy:


Am saying what you need to hear
And what your people had denied you of

lx3as:


Ọwọ is very ancient than Bini; most cultures/religions you get in Bini today were from Ọwọ and Ugbo(Ilaje). Ugodomigodo was quite different from present Bini. Maybe you need to see Ọbalùfọ̀n with lots of beats...

Those arguing on Oduduwa or Okanbi being Ogun; There were Original Ogun, Oduduwa, Sango, Oranmiyan. However, many great people beared these names after them; people are still bearing Ogun, etc. till today. Okanbi as Ogun or Sango as Oyo king were different from the first Ogun or Sango, Obatala's contemporaries

cbrass:


I don't think anyone has ever argued that Oduduwa is Okanbi. The history of the Yoruba is something that has been bastardized with lies for selfish reasons and Conspiracies on the part of warring towns of that time. There we're some things I believed about the Yorubas until I started to hear some real truth. See there are some histories that have been kept so as to avoid chaos between present day towns in Yoruba land. Ile-Ife have the truth about history of Yorubas but they deliberately dish out lies. Except you can come up with facts that Ogun lakaye was not a human and a god and Sango too....

lx3as:


Ọwọ is very ancient than Bini; most cultures/religions you get in Bini today were from Ọwọ and Ugbo(Ilaje). Ugodomigodo was quite different from present Bini. Maybe you need to see Ọbalùfọ̀n with lots of beats...

Those arguing on Oduduwa or Okanbi being Ogun; There were Original Ogun, Oduduwa, Sango, Oranmiyan. However, many great people beared these names after them; people are still bearing Ogun, etc. till today. Okanbi as Ogun or Sango as Oyo king were different from the first Ogun or Sango, Obatala's contemporaries

cbrass:

. that is entirely not true.. I used to think it was so before not until I starred to explore, even in Ile Ife they know Ogun was Oduduwas son but they just deliberately kept quiet about it. The Okanbi name is the name Oyo people gave Ogun lakaye

Olu317:
Despite your intention is promote some information on Yoruba greatness,there are many flaws in your post. Take for instance, Ogun lakaye is about your literary interpretation as one who know how to read but ; Ogun la ka aiye is; war lord that shine forth in life.

cbrass:

Lol.. Bro it is not me you Will argue with oo.. From your spelling sef it shows you don't know the hidden history about Ogun. I will help you with a YouTube name. Search foe Itan Yoruba on YouTube, then you will see I am not wrong afteral

gregyboy:



I thank God the op had admitted some of the fact the benin people lay claims on

Oduduwa falling from the sky have always been debated by the benin people the Benin with a well documented history have always mainted oduduwa was not a sky diver or a Wonderer from Mecca but a banished Prince from benin....

The world oba was madd popular by the benins to the yorubas as stated by the o.p since all kings had their original title
So i wonder why they will take oba from obatala to represent king why didn't just take the full name fo represent king as a general term for king....i thank the o.p for clearing that fact

Olowo of owo havinv the oldest palace in yorubaland also has its monarchy from benins ,

Oba kha to kpere

Ise!!!!

rhektor:


You will always come to threads like this to write nonsense don't worry tao11is coming for you

TAO11:
Below is an example of the incontrovertible argument on the word "OBA":



For the Yorubas, there is a difference between A ROYAL TITLE and the word "KING" itself.

(a) Throughout all the diverse Yoruba kingdoms, the word "OBA" simply and clearly means "KING". No more, no less.

(b) However, in addition to this aforementioned Yoruba word for "KING", each of the different Yoruba kingdoms also reserve an exclusive word to describe its own monarch.

(c) These exclusive words or ROYAL TITLES distinguish one Yoruba OBA from the other Yoruba OBA.

While the word "OBA" itself simply means "KING", these royal titles (such as: OONI-IFE, ALAAFIN-OYO, OLUBADAN, etc.) do not simply by themselves mean "KING"; although they are used to exclusively describe the respective kings.

(d) For example: "OONI-Ife" by itself simply means: "THE ONE WHO OWNS Ife".

"ALAAFIN Oyo" (from: "OLU-AFIN Oyo" ) by itself simply means: "THE SOVEREIGN OF Oyo PALACE".

"OLUBADAN" (from: "OLU-IBADAN) by itself simply means: "THE SOVEREIGN OF IBADAN".


(e) This practice of reserving an exclusive ROYAL TITLE (which by itself does not necessarily mean "KING" for a monarch is similar, for example, to the ancient Egyptians' practice.

Although the word "PHARAOH" (i.e. "PER-AA" ) exclusively describe the ancient Egyptian kings, the word itself does NOT mean "KING".

Instead, it actually means "THE GREAT HOUSE".

It is simply a royal title which runs side-by-side the actual ancient Egyptian word for "KING".

(f) Having clarified the practice of having unique royal titles to distinguish one Yoruba Oba from the other Yoruba OBA, I will now turn to the historical analysis of the word "OBA" among the Yorubas and among the Edos/Binis.

(g) To proceed, I like to put forward the following principles which will serve as my framework for establishing who owns the word "OBA":

(1) The Yorubas have been using the word "OBA" for their kings long long before the Binis ever would.

(2) The etymology of the word "OBA" for "KING" is not found in the Edo/Bini lexicon; but clearly present in the Yoruba's.

(3) The Binis have an actual Edo/Bini word in their own language which clearly and straightforwardly means "KING".


Regarding the point (1) on the historical timeline:

It is well known that there have been two different kingly dynasties in Benin.

It wasn't until the beginning of the second dynasty that the word "OBA" first described Benin monarchs. Prior to then, they used an entirely different word.

In the testimony of Oba Ewuare 2 in the video I attached, he admits that the first use of the word "OBA" to describe a Benin monarch was for a man from Ile-Ife called Oranmiyan.

I hope you're gradually beginning to appreciate the reality.

Moreover, prior to Oranmiyan and his ancestor Oduduwa, the Ile-Ife people have been using the word "OBA" to designate the rulers of the different settlements of their collective territory.

Historically, Ile-Ife comprises some13 primary settlements in those early times, namely: Ido, Iloromu, Ideta, Odun, Iloran, Oke-Oja, Imojubi, Iraye, Ijugbe, Oke-Awo, Iwinrin, Parakin, and Omologun.

In these pre-Oduduwa times, these settlements were independently ruled by different monarchs called "OBA".

Some of the most prominently identified of these pre-Oduduwa OBAs whose "names" have come down to posterity together with the settlements they ruled over are: Obatala and Obawinrin.

Obatala was in charge of the settlement known as Ideta prior to his exile from Ile-Ife during the civil war that broke out when Oduduwa rose to prominence.

Obatala and his loyalists re-established a version of Ideta within the thicket of some forest away from Ife. This Ideta was called Ideta-Oko to serve as contrast to the stately Ideta (also called Ideta-Nla or Ideta-Ile) in which they lived while at Ile-Ife.

"Obatala", over time, became the contraction of "Oba Ideta-Nla"; that is, "King of Ideta-Nla".

The etymology of "Obawinrin", in contrast, is quite more obvious. "Obawinrin" became the contraction of "Oba Iwinrin"; that is, "King of Iwinrin".

Among these pre-Oduduwa kingly personages who have all long been deified is Obameri. He probably ruled over a sub-settlement.

All these "names" date to the pre-Oduduwa era. In other words, long long before Oranmiyan who will later become the FIRST REFERENT of the word "OBA" for "KING" in Benin kingdom.

I hope you see the point here.


Regarding point (2) on the etymology of "OBA":

The original, indigenous, and extant "Oba-sounding" word in the language of the Edo/Bini people comes from the Edo root-word "BA".

This root-word in simple, clear, and unequivocal terms means "SHINE".

From this Edo root-word "BA", the derived forms "O-BAA", "NOBA", and "N'OBA" each have the following respective meanings "IT IS SHINING"; "RED"; and "THAT WHICH SHINES".

Even a consideration of the derived form "N'OBA" still doesn't do justice to the etymology, because it simply means "THAT WHICH SHINES", or "THE ONE WHO SHINES" by extension to humans.

This meaning is by no stretch of the imagination one and the same thing as "KING".


The derived forms from the Edo root word "BA" are clearly entirely different words from the word "KING".

The similarity of these derived forms to the actual Yoruba word "OBA" (for "KING" ) begins and ends in the somewhat similar sounds. No more, no less.


Now, what about the Yoruba etymology of "OBA"? Does it mean "KING"? Let's find out.

The Yoruba word "OBA" comes from the Yoruba root-word "BA" which in simple, clear, and unequivocal terms means "RULE".

For example, this Yoruba root-word is found in the Yoruba statement: "Oba BA Lori Ohun Gbo-gbo."

From this Yoruba root-word "BA", the derived form "OBA", therefore means "ONE WHO RULES". No but or if.

It becomes obvious that "ONE WHO RULES" is unproblematically the equivalence of the single word "KING".

In sum, the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) as used today by the Binis is not originally found in the Edo/Bini lexicon, because the etymology "King" is not found from the available Oba-sounding Edo word.

The use of "OBA" for "KING" in Benin kingdom began with the Ife-Yoruba man called Oranmiyan, as rightly admitted by Oba Ewuare 2 in the video I attached earlier. Earlier indigenous Benin rulers were not so referred.

Again, it becomes obvious what this implies.


Regarding point (3) about the original and extant Edo/Bini word for "KING":

The logical outstanding question in the light of the foregoing therefore is:

What then is the original Edo/Benin word for "KING" since "OBA" has been demonstrated to be originally alien to the Edo/Bini lexicon??

In simple, straightforward, and unequivocal terms, the original Edo/Bini word for "KING" which actually still survives even till date is "OGIE".


Many indigenous Bini historians always acknowledge this, but without realizing its implication.


Cheers