blueAgent:



Good, and which law was God saying he was going to put in their hearts? was it a new law?

you did not see "new covenant" don't hide under gospel to mislead people you are just like wolf under sheep skin.

jcross19:
you did not see "new covenant" don't hide under gospel to mislead people you are just like wolf under sheep skin.

You craftily dodged to answer my question

Did the new covenant mean that it was a new law?

The bible said God will make a new covenant with them that will involve him putting his law in their hearts.
The question is which law is God talking of?

Even if we assume it was a new law, which law was that?

Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those
days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in
their minds will I write them;

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My LAW in
their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God,
and they shall be My people.

blueAgent:


You craftily dodged to answer my question

Did the new covenant mean that it was a new law?

The bible said God will make a new covenant with them that will involve him putting his law in their hearts.
The question is which law is God talking of?

Even if we assume it was a new law, which law was that?

Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those
days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in
their minds will I write them;

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My LAW in
their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God,
and they shall be My people.

am asking you how many fowls and turtle dove have you used to clean your sins? how many people have stoned to death because of adultery?

jcross19:
am asking you how many fowls and turtle dove have you used to clean your sins? how many people have stoned to death because of adultery?

None because we do not need those things again, Christ has paid the ultimate price by his own blood.

Those sacrificial laws have been done away and abolished by the death of Jesus.

Paul referred to them as shadows.
Colossians 2:17 King James Version (KJV)
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the
body is of Christ.

blueAgent:


None because we do not need those things again, Christ has paid the ultimate price by his own blood.

Those sacrificial laws have been done away and abolished by the death of Jesus.

Paul referred to them as shadows.
Colossians 2:17 King James Version (KJV)
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the
body is of Christ.

that's the new covenant and the law!

jcross19:
that's the new covenant and the law!

You are really confused.

What is the new covenant and law?

The new convenant contains laws, and my question is which law is that?

blueAgent:



You are really confused.

What is the new covenant and law?

The new convenant contains laws, and my question is which law is that?

ahahahah you confused ! if the new covenant is still contains old law then is not a new covenant anymore. am asking you are you frying buns and making of unleaven bread for alter sacrifice? hope you pray you face the wall ?

jcross19:
ahahahah you confused ! if the new covenant is still contains old law then is not a new covenant anymore. am asking you are you frying buns and making of unleaven bread for alter sacrifice? hope you pray you face the wall ?

Each response from you show that you are getting more confused.

There is no sense or logic in your statement.
God never said he was going to add a new law to the new covenant rather he said he was going to create a new covenant that contains the same old law but with different terms.

Click and read.

www.the-ten-commandments.org/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments.html


https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments

blueAgent:


Each response from you show that you are getting more confused.

There is no sense or logic in your statement.
God never said he was going to add a new law to the new covenant rather he said he was going to create a new covenant that contains the same old law but with different terms.

Click and read.

www.the-ten-commandments.org/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments.html


https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments

you are confusing yourself in order to prove your lack of bible understanding.

jcross19:
you are confusing yourself in order to prove your lack of bible understanding.

When you run out of lies you resort to insults.

Its a shame you could not refute even your own argument.

blueAgent:


Pray that God should give you the sense and brain to understand it.

Take a good history book on The Medes and The Persian and educate yourself and stop posting rubbish on here.

Lukuluku69:

Take a good history book on The Medes and The Persian and educate yourself and stop posting rubbish on here.

And what did the history book say? that Daniel never existed ?

blueAgent:

And what did the history book say? that Daniel never existed ?

Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

Lukuluku69:

Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

Maximus69:


If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

And to think that the guy said I should pray for sense and brain from God!?

Basic stuff he doesn't know. Elementary reading will tell him the Persians liberated jews from Babylon and sent them back to Judea.

King Cyrus permitted the temple to be rebuilt.

A Christian Evangelist does not know this?!

He is a Christian alright but an ignorant one!

Maximus69:


If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

And to think that the guy said I should pray for sense and brain.

Olodo rabata like him. Persians set jews freed from Babylon where they were singing by the river and wish that Babylon young ones were dashed against the walls.

OP, KNOW YOUR MATE O

Lukuluku69:

Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

I guess you know better than the writers of the Bible.

Daniel 5:30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. 5:31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

Daniel 6:1 It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; 6:2 And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.

Lukuluku69:

Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

No where in my OP did I write that Daniel was held by the Mede's.

Daniel 6:14 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him. 6:15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.

The important fact I wanted to convey in my OP is that the law of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed.

That I also wrote in my article.

Maximus69:


If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

Really.

You have amazing Bible skills.

If you had Knowledge of the Bible as you claim you would have known that Daniel was not alive when the decree for the Israelites to go back and build the temple was given.


The Bible said Daniel prospered and reigned under the King Darius.

Daniel 6:28 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

Scondly In chapter 9 of the book of Daniel we find that during the reign Darius the son Ahasuerus of the seed of Mede's that Daniel was given a vision or revelation of the freeing or release of the Children of Israel from captivity.

In God's plan shown to Daniel the Children of Israel were to spend 70yrs in Captivity.
This can be found in Daniel 9:1-27.
As you can see Daniel was still in Mede's and Persians and did not go back to Israel but died yrs before the fufillment of the prophecy.

I guess thats So much for your falsetower to know.

Lukuluku69:

Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

No where in this OP did I mention how Daniel or who held him captivity.

Your inability to provide logical facts or evidence to refute the main point of the OP, which is that God's law cannot be changed is the reason for all this beating about the bush looking for excuse and fault where there is none.

blueAgent:



No where in this OP did I mention how Daniel or who held him captivity.

Your inability to provide logical facts or evidence to refute the main point of the OP, which is that God's law cannot be changed is the reason for all this beating about the bush looking for excuse and fault where there is none.

Typical deflection. The Laws can not be changed? Well I say you have not heard of a certain Apostle Paul and the wonders he did to your God's Law.

Maximus69:


If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

More facts and evidence.
It was the time of Zechariah that the king's command  to rebuild the temple was given.

In Zechariah1:7-12. A vision was shown unto Zechariah and in that vision an Angel asked God how long would God leave Jerusalem and the cities of Judah desolate which God has had indigination on for three score and ten yrs. Which is the same number of yrs that was revealed to Daniel in book of  Daniel9:2. that the Jews will spend in captivity.
Note this vision was revealed to Zechariah at the end of the 70yrs also note that God also promised that he has returned to show Jerusalem mercy.
Zechariah1:14-17


Daniel  9:2  In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

blueAgent:




Really.

You have amazing Bible skills.

If you had Knowledge of the Bible as you claim you would have known that Daniel was not alive when the decree for the Israelites to go back and build the temple was given.


The Bible said Daniel prospered and reigned under the King Darius.

Daniel 6:28 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

Scondly In chapter 9 of the book of Daniel we find that during the reign Darius the son Ahasuerus of the seed of Mede's that Daniel was given a vision or revelation of the freeing or release of the Children of Israel from captivity.

In God's plan shown to Daniel the Children of Israel were to spend 70yrs in Captivity.
This can be found in Daniel 9:1-27.
As you can see Daniel was still in Mede's and Persians and did not go back to Israel but died yrs before the fufillment of the prophecy.

I guess thats So much for your falsetower to know.

Just admit that the Muslim knew the story better than you do Sir, as for further argued you can continue with him if he wish.
I'm not interested in arguing with novice full of arrogance!

Maximus69:


If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 1:2 The LORD hath been sore displeased with your fathers. 1:3 Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. 1:4 Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD. 1:5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever? 1:6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not take hold of your fathers? and they returned and said, Like as the LORD of hosts thought to do unto us, according to our ways, and according to our doings, so hath he dealt with us. 1:7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 1:8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white. 1:9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be. 1:10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth. 1:11 And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest. 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? 1:13 And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. 1:14 So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 1:15 And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 1:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 1:17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

blueAgent:


Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 1:2 The LORD hath been sore displeased with your fathers. 1:3 Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. 1:4 Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD. 1:5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever? 1:6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not take hold of your fathers? and they returned and said, Like as the LORD of hosts thought to do unto us, according to our ways, and according to our doings, so hath he dealt with us. 1:7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 1:8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white. 1:9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be. 1:10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth. 1:11 And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest. 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? 1:13 And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. 1:14 So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 1:15 And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 1:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 1:17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

Just Stories upon Stories upon stories
It's the point that we're talking about here Sir!

Lukuluku69:


Typical deflection. The Laws can not be changed? Well I say you have not heard of a certain Apostle Paul and the wonders he did to your God's Law.

You are the one deflecting, you were the one that raised the argument that Daniel was held by the Babylonians and not the Mede's something I never hinted at nor was it necessary for the issue at hand. now that I have exposed you,
you have returned to the law.

For your Information Paul never changed the law of God. if so tell me which law was Paul referring to in the following verses

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God
forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment
holy, and just, and good.

Romans 2:13
For not the hearers of the law are just before
God, but the doers of the law shall be justified


1 Corinthians 7:19 ►
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is
nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of
God.

Maximus69:

Just Stories upon Stories upon stories It's the point that we're talking about here Sir!

Which point? I have proven to you that it was the Mede's that Daniel served under.

blueAgent:


No where in my OP did I write that Daniel was held by the Mede's.

Daniel 6:14 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him. 6:15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.

The important fact I wanted to convey in my OP is that the law of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed.

That I also wrote in my article.

Oga, it is now the Mede's law that can't be changed and not God's Law?

Let me ask, do the Persians and Medes believe in God of Israel?

Maximus69:


Just admit that the Muslim knew the story better than you do Sir, as for further argued you can continue with him if he wish.
I'm not interested in arguing with novice full of arrogance!

What has Muslims knowing has to do with the issue at hand?

If you knew the truth like the Muslims why can't you stand firm and refute my facts or points.
Show me that it was Darius that freed Daniel, don't run from your mess.


I just exposed your lies and you are running away.

You were bragging how your six year old knows that it was the Mede's that freed the Jews.
After I exposed your lies and falsetower you are now taking a bow.
What happened to your confidence and boosting which you used in type that response, of me not knowing that it was the Mede's that freed Daniel?

blueAgent:



You are the one deflecting, you were the one that raised the argument that Daniel was held by the Babylonians and not the Mede's something I never hinted at nor was it necessary for the issue at hand. now that I have exposed you,
you have returned to the law.

For your Information Paul never changed the law of God. if so tell me which law was Paul referring to in the following verses

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God
forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment
holy, and just, and good.

Romans 2:13
For not the hearers of the law are just before
God, but the doers of the law shall be justified


1 Corinthians 7:19 ►
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is
nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of
God.

Are you saying you still keep God's Law? So, tell me how you treat Adultery and Forniction in your Church?

Lukuluku69:


Oga, it is now the Mede's law that can't be changed and not God's Law?

Let me ask, do the Persians and Medes believe in God of Israel?

I wonder what you people learn in Watchtower.


I compared the 2 laws, just as the Mede's and Persians had laws that could not be changed even by their king, so also God's law is unchangeable even by God.

Lukuluku69:


Are you saying you still keep God's Law? So, tell me how you treat Adultery and Forniction in your Church?

Why not.

Is Adultery and fornication no longer Sin?
Are they now acceptable to God?