blueAgent:


Why not.

Is Adultery and fornication no longer Sin?
Are they now acceptable to God?

My question was: how do you treat it in your Church? There is a punishment prescribe in your bible, do you still carry it out as the muslims do according to their quran? Do you? If no, then why are you saying God's can not be changed?

blueAgent:


What has Muslims knowing has to do with the issue at hand?

If you knew the truth like the Muslims why can't you stand firm and refute my facts or points.
Show me that it was Darius that freed Daniel, don't run from your mess.


I just exposed your lies and you are running away.

You were bragging how your six year old knows that it was the Mede's that freed the Jews.
After I exposed your lies and falsetower you are now taking a bow.
What happened to your confidence and boosting which you used in type that response, of me not knowing that it was the Mede's that freed Daniel?

He's got your time Sir, i'm not interested in your fruitless arguments.

The Watchtower organization has proved their worth by making the one and only group that's able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshippers globally, with one single line of thought! Micah 4:3-4 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

If you can't point to such achievement, then it means that both your God and the Faith you're having is DEAD? James 2:26

There is no distinction between your God and that of the people you're trying to convert!

You worship, they worship.
You see wonders, they see wonders.
You preach virtue, they preach virtue.
You sing praises to God, they do the same.
Adherents kill one another, as they do the same.

So what's the evidence that your God is the Supreme Being if he's unable to settle all the differences amidst his worshipers (who are claiming to be his children)?

Even you no matter how stupid you can be, will make sure there is PEACE amongst your children to prove yourself a capable Father!

That's why Paul said you people are having a form of godly devotion but proving FALSE to God's ability! 2Timothy 3:5

So prove the efficacy of your God by pointing to his children amidst whom PEACE reigns!

Maximus69:


He's got your time Sir, i'm not interested in your fruitless arguments.

The Watchtower has proved their worth by making the one and only group that's able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshippers globally, with one single line of thought! Micah 4:3-4 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

If you can't point to such achievement, then it means that both your God and the Faith you're having is DEAD? James 2:26

Crap.

Even Muslims and non Christians also have the same achievements.

blueAgent:


Crap.

Even Muslims and non Christians also have the same achievements

It's only Jehovah's Witnesses that i know globally that will NEVER carry a weapon to kill no matter what you do to them!

So if you're truthful with what you just typed up there, please who are those fighting and killing people today?

Lukuluku69:


My question was: how do you treat it in your Church? There is a punishment prescribe in your bible, do you still carry it out as the muslims do according to their quran? Do you? If no, then why are you saying God's can not be changed?

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First you fail to understand that God's ten commandments are different from the Levitical laws which prescribed punishment for those who transgressed the 10commandments.

When the adulteress woman was brought Before Jesus to be stoned to death according to the Judicial laws or Levitical laws.
Jesus refused to consent to the demand of the people who wanted to stone the woman rather Jesus offered the woman grace which he offers to every one of us.

When the people left Jesus instructed the woman to go and sin no more. (not to transgress the law or break the law)
You can see that the 10commandments is still valid because Jesus asked the woman not to commit adultery.

God does not demand that we stone people to death or flog people in this present time, those laws were done away with through the death of Christ. but the 10commandments still stand because the define what is sin, what we can do and what we cannot do that is not pleasing to God.

And as Paul said are we now allowed to sin or continue in sin because we are all be given grace?

Paul's answer is no rather we uphold the law.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God
forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Note.
God allowed those who broke the law to be stoned to death to demonstrate to the Israelites that the wages of Sin is death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal
life through Jesus Christ our Lord

Maximus69:


It's only Jehovah's Witnesses that i know globally that will NEVER carry a weapon to kill no matter what you do to them!

So if you're truthful with what you just typed up there, please who are those fighting and killing people today?

Weather you choose to kill or not what matters to God is adherence to his word the 10 commandments.

blueAgent:


Weather you choose to kill or not what matters to God is adherence to his word the 10 commandments.

My friend what is the evidence that your so called 10 commandments is of any benefit when adherents are killing one another?

Please my ancestors have rules that i abandoned to accept the Bible, but i did so because of what Jehovah's Witnesses (TRUE Christians) were able to do with that book called Bible.

Otherwise there is NOTHING special in any law that has been rendered fruitless by those striving to TEACH others! Matthew 23:15

Maximus69:


My friend what is the evidence that your so called 10 commandments is of any benefit when adherents are killing one another?

Please my ancestors have rules that i abandoned to accept the Bible, but i did so because of what Jehovah's Witnesses (TRUE Christians) were able to do with that book called Bible.

Otherwise there is NOTHING special in any law that has been rendered fruitless by those striving to TEACH others! Matthew 23:15

You fail to understand that anyone who truly loves God keeps his commandments and all of it. those who keep his commandments do not kill, commit adultery,steal or do anything nothing pleasing to God.

For you to be righteous in God's eyes you must keep the 10commandments not some.

This is not my word but God's word.

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

blueAgent:
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First you fail to understand that God's ten commandments are different from the Levitical laws which prescribed punishment for those who transgressed the 10commandments.

When the adulteress woman was brought Before Jesus to be stoned to death according to the Judicial laws or Levitical laws.
Jesus refused to consent to the demand of the people who wanted to stone the woman rather Jesus offered the woman grace which he offers to every one of us.

When the people left Jesus instructed the woman to go and sin no more. (not to transgress the law or break the law)
You can see that the 10commandments is still valid because Jesus asked the woman not to commit adultery.

God does not demand that we stone people to death or flog people in this present time, those laws were done away with through the death of Christ. but the 10commandments still stand because the define what is sin, what we can do and what we cannot do that is not pleasing to God.

And as Paul said are we now allowed to sin or continue in sin because we are all be given grace?

Paul's answer is no rather we uphold the law.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God
forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Note.
God allowed those who broke the law to be stoned to death to demonstrate to the Israelites that the wages of Sin is death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal
life through Jesus Christ our Lord

If I get you right, there is a 10 commandnent and also the levetical prescription by the priest namely stone the adulterer. Fine. The 10 came from God and the other from who?

In the case of that woman, don't you think it was just that jesus saved that woman!!? Where was her partner? Or was she using a cucumber on herself?

That episode was a lie tacked on later to show that jesus can forgive sin! Remember only john recorded it.

So, in your church you tell them to go and sin no more?

That is not God's Law,

Lukuluku69:


If I get you right, there is a 10 commandnent and also the levetical prescription by the priest namely stone the adulterer. Fine. The 10 came from God and the other from who?

In the case of that woman, don't you think it was just that jesus saved that woman!!? Where was her partner? Or was she using a cucumber on herself?

That episode was a lie tacked on later to show that jesus can forgive sin! Remember only john recorded it.

So, in your church you tell them to go and sin no more?

That is not God's Law,

You dear call the word of God a lie?

Those levetical laws were also given by God but they were temporary.

God expect Churches to admonish members who sinned or committed audletry.
If you read the bible carefully you would find out that God does not allow or consent to and adulterer to hold posts in the Church.


https://www.preparingforeternity.com/mosevs10.htm


https://tifwe.org/resource/moral-law-and-the-ten-commandments/


https://www.christiantruthcenter.com/difference-between-god-laws-and-mosaic-law/

If you understand the fact that sin cannot be imputed where there is no law, you will get to know that the 10commandments were existing even before God gave it to Moses and the Israelites on mount Sinai.

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/did-the-ten-commandments-exist-before-moses

Lukuluku69:


If I get you right, there is a 10 commandnent and also the levetical prescription by the priest namely stone the adulterer. Fine. The 10 came from God and the other from who?

In the case of that woman, don't you think it was just that jesus saved that woman!!? Where was her partner? Or was she using a cucumber on herself?

That episode was a lie tacked on later to show that jesus can forgive sin! Remember only john recorded it.

So, in your church you tell them to go and sin no more?

That is not God's Law,

Did the Ten Commandments
Exist Before Moses?

The Bible shows that the Ten Commandments did not
originate with Moses or in his time.

They believe that the Sinai Covenant
and God’s commandments came into
existence together and went out of
existence together.
But is such reasoning biblical? The facts
show it is not. A close look at the Scriptures
reveals that breaking the Ten
Commandments was a sin before the
covenant at Mt. Sinai, so arguments that
they came into existence with that covenant
and were terminated with it cannot be true.
Let’s notice the scriptural proof.
God’s Word defines sin as “the
transgression of the law” ( 1 John 3:4 , KJV) or
“lawlessness” (New King James Version,
NIV). Therefore, “where there is no law
there is no transgression” ( Romans 4:15 ).
This is what the Bible clearly says! So do we
find transgressions of the Ten
Commandments described as sinful before
Mt. Sinai? Clearly we do.
For example, Genesis 13:13 tells us that “the
men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and
sinful against the Lord.” Since sin is
violating God’s law, the people of Sodom
could not have been punished for being
wicked and sinful if no law condemned
what they were doing. We must conclude,
therefore, that God had already made
available the knowledge of what is sinful.
Here is a clear example. Genesis 20:3-9 and
Genesis 39:7-9 describe adultery as “a great
sin” and a “sin against God.” Adultery
breaks the Seventh Commandment .
In Genesis 3:6-17 , God punishes Adam and
Eve for their coveting and stealing—
breaking the Tenth and Eighth
Commandments . They also dishonored Him
as their parent, violating the Fifth
Commandment .
In Genesis 4:9-12 , God punishes Cain for
murder and lying—violations of the Sixth
and Ninth Commandments .
In Exodus 16:4 , several days to several
weeks before God established His covenant
with the Israelites at Mt. Sinai, we find God
giving them a test to see “whether they will
walk in My law or not.” His test involved
whether they would rest on the seventh-day
Sabbath as He commanded in the Fourth
Commandment of that law—with which
they were at least partly familiar. The
seventh day had been hallowed—set aside
as holy by God—from the time of Adam
and Eve ( Genesis 2:1-3 ).
God’s reaction to their disobedience is
revealing. He exclaims, “How long do you
refuse to keep My commandments and My
laws?” ( Exodus 16:28 ). God clearly speaks of
both His “commandments and … laws” as
already existing and in force well before He
listed the Ten Commandments verbally at
Mt. Sinai, as described four chapters later!
Therefore, the Ten Commandments were
only codified —written in stone as part of a
formal covenant—at Mt. Sinai. Scripture
clearly shows that they existed and were in
force well before then.
This is stated explicitly in Genesis 26:5 ,
where God tells Isaac that He blessed his
father Abraham “because Abraham obeyed
My voice and kept My charge, My
commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
This event took place centuries before the
covenant at Mt. Sinai, centuries before
Moses and two generations before Judah,
head of the tribe that much later would
become known as the Jews, was born! (Be
sure to read “Did Abraham Keep the Same
Commandments God Gave to Moses?” on
page 13).
In Leviticus 18:21-27 , God calls the
idolatrous practices of the people of the
land of Canaan “abominations”—actions so
filthy and degrading that God compared
their expulsion to being “vomited out” of
the land ( Leviticus 18:28 ). What was their
sin? Among other things, idolatry (the
worship of false gods) and human sacrifice,
which violated the First, Second and Sixth
Commandments .
The Bible shows that the Ten
Commandments did not originate with
Moses or in his time. Nor were they in any
way limited only to the Jews. They were in
effect and known long before Moses or a
people known as the Jews existed. They are
the foundation of God’s laws that show us
how to love God (defined by the first four
Commandments) and how to love our
fellow man (defined by the last six).
This is why, after Jesus Christ returns to
establish His glorious Kingdom on earth,
Isaiah 2:3 tells us that “many people shall
come and say, ‘Come, and let us go up to
the mountain of the Lord, to the house of
the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways,
and we shall walk in His paths.’ For out of
Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of
the Lord from Jerusalem.”
At that time, all of mankind will at last be
taught to live according to all of God’s laws
and commandments!

blueAgent:



You fail to understand that anyone who truly loves God keeps his commandments and all of it. those who keep his commandments do not kill, commit adultery,steal or do anything nothing pleasing to God.

For you to be righteous in God's eyes you must keep the 10commandments not some.

This is not my word but God's word.

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The Pharisees can quote the scriptures and they were applying it to the best of their understanding, they make sure they keep each word found in those scriptures.

But they failed in the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what they're reading, and there was NO BENEFITS of their so called obedience in Israel.

When Jesus our own Master, Lord and King began teaching people the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what those religionists thought they knew, it was like what is happening today.

Jesus' followers applied everything the way he taught them and everyone could SEE the BENEFITS, but those hopeless religionists were antagonizing Jesus' followers with the intent that the Christians and their founder weren't honouring God's word.

Yet all those antagonists couldn't produce the FRUIT of God's holy spirit with all their religious practices!

So keep spewing your gibberish that Satan have infused in your empty skulls to make you stand against those who supposed to TEACH you how to get the BENEFITS of what you're reading!

Maximus69:


The Pharisees can quote the scriptures and they were applying it to the best of their understanding, they make sure they keep each word found in those scriptures.

But they failed in the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what they're reading, and there was NO BENEFITS of their so called obedience in Israel.

When Jesus our own Master, Lord and King began teaching people the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what those religionists thought they knew, it was like what is happening today.

Jesus' followers applied everything the way he taught them and everyone could SEE the BENEFITS, but those hopeless religionists were antagonizing Jesus' followers with the intent that the Christians and their founder weren't honouring God's word.

Yet all those antagonists couldn't produce the FRUIT of God's holy spirit with all their religious practices!

So keep spewing your gibberish that Satan have infused in your empty skulls to make you stand against those who supposed to TEACH you how to get the BENEFITS of what you're reading!

More trash as ever. Keep fool yourself.

blueAgent:



More thrash as ever. Keep fool yourself.

Just exactly what the religionists of Jesus' day said, even when his teachings is yielding fine FRUIT! John 10:20

So you're still on track Sir!

Maximus69:


Just exactly what the religionists of Jesus' day said, even when his teachings is yielding fine FRUIT! John 10:20

So you're still on track Sir!

You need to understand the fact that no matter your fruits if you do not obey God's commandments you are not going to inherit the Kingdom of God.


This is not my opinion or my word but God's word.

Like you can see this people Jesus rejected had fruits did signs and wonders in the name of Jesus but still they were rejected because of not obeying the commandments of God.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

blueAgent:

You need to understand the fact that no matter your fruits if you do not obey God's commandments you are not going to inherit the Kingdom of God.


This is not my opinion or my word but God's word.

Like you can see this people Jesus rejected had fruits did signs and wonders in the name of Jesus but still they were rejected because of not obeying the commandments of God.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

We are still saying the same thing Sir!

You are quoting the LAWS given to the Israelites, which is just to lead them to the Christ who will teach them what they needed to qualify for God's kingdom!

When some Jewish Christians taught the Christians in Galatia that they must apply the LAWS to be saved. Apostle Paul (whom the Lord Jesus appointed over all other nations to make them Christians) said "WE DON'T NEED THE LAWS GIVEN TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE IT'S PURPOSE HAS BEEN FULFILLED WHEN THE CHRIST WALKED THEIR LAND" Galatians 3:1-25

Note the closing of that Chapter! Paul said we've become Abraham's offspring by FAITH not by the LAWS. Abraham was declared RIGHTEOUS without those LAWS, so the laws has fulfilled it's purpose when the Christ arrived!

And as for Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus was telling his listeners that no matter what powerful works you do in his name, it's all useless if you failed to do God's will!

For clarity sake, Jesus is the PRINCE of PEACE, so anyone who is able to make PEACE with his neighbours with the expectations of living in Paradise (land of PEACE) has fulfilled the LAW of Christ who is the PRINCE of PEACE. Any other works you do is worthless if your organization failed to accomplish this! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to 9:6

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you quoted Sir!

Maximus69:


We are still saying the same thing Sir!

You are quoting the LAWS given to the Israelites, which is just to lead them to the Christ who will teach them what they needed to qualify for God's kingdom!

When some Jewish Christians taught the Christians in Galatia that they must apply the LAWS to be saved. Apostle Paul (whom the Lord Jesus appointed over all other nations to make them Christians) said "WE DON'T NEED THE LAWS GIVEN TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE IT'S PURPOSE HAS BEEN FULFILLED WHEN THE CHRIST WALKED THEIR LAND" Galatians 3:1-25

Note the closing of that Chapter! Paul said we've become Abraham's offspring by FAITH not by the LAWS. Abraham was declared RIGHTEOUS without those LAWS, so the laws has fulfilled it's purpose when the Christ arrived!

And as for Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus was telling his listeners that no matter what powerful works you do in his name, it's all useless if you failed to do God's will!

For clarity sake, Jesus is the PRINCE of PEACE, so anyone who is able to make PEACE with his neighbours with the expectations of living in Paradise (land of PEACE) has fulfilled the LAW of Christ who is the PRINCE of PEACE. Any other works you do is worthless if your organization failed to accomplish this! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to 9:6

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you quoted Sir!

Stop confusing yourself the law been referred to in Galatians
3:1-25 is not the ten commandments but the law contained in Ordinance which is the ceremonial laws and levitical laws which were given to only the Children of Israel, those where the law that were done away with the death of Christ.

The 10commandments still exist and they the laws that Christ l, Paul and James asked Christians to teach,establish and obey.

By works is no one saved only by faith and obedience to God's word can one be saved.

Maximus69:


We are still saying the same thing Sir!

You are quoting the LAWS given to the Israelites, which is just to lead them to the Christ who will teach them what they needed to qualify for God's kingdom!

When some Jewish Christians taught the Christians in Galatia that they must apply the LAWS to be saved. Apostle Paul (whom the Lord Jesus appointed over all other nations to make them Christians) said "WE DON'T NEED THE LAWS GIVEN TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE IT'S PURPOSE HAS BEEN FULFILLED WHEN THE CHRIST WALKED THEIR LAND" Galatians 3:1-25

Note the closing of that Chapter! Paul said we've become Abraham's offspring by FAITH not by the LAWS. Abraham was declared RIGHTEOUS without those LAWS, so the laws has fulfilled it's purpose when the Christ arrived!

And as for Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus was telling his listeners that no matter what powerful works you do in his name, it's all useless if you failed to do God's will!

For clarity sake, Jesus is the PRINCE of PEACE, so anyone who is able to make PEACE with his neighbours with the expectations of living in Paradise (land of PEACE) has fulfilled the LAW of Christ who is the PRINCE of PEACE. Any other works you do is worthless if your organization failed to accomplish this! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to 9:6

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you quoted Sir!

You can claim to love God without keeping his commandments.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Maximus69:


We are still saying the same thing Sir!

You are quoting the LAWS given to the Israelites, which is just to lead them to the Christ who will teach them what they needed to qualify for God's kingdom!

When some Jewish Christians taught the Christians in Galatia that they must apply the LAWS to be saved. Apostle Paul (whom the Lord Jesus appointed over all other nations to make them Christians) said "WE DON'T NEED THE LAWS GIVEN TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE IT'S PURPOSE HAS BEEN FULFILLED WHEN THE CHRIST WALKED THEIR LAND" Galatians 3:1-25

Note the closing of that Chapter! Paul said we've become Abraham's offspring by FAITH not by the LAWS. Abraham was declared RIGHTEOUS without those LAWS, so the laws has fulfilled it's purpose when the Christ arrived!

And as for Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus was telling his listeners that no matter what powerful works you do in his name, it's all useless if you failed to do God's will!

For clarity sake, Jesus is the PRINCE of PEACE, so anyone who is able to make PEACE with his neighbours with the expectations of living in Paradise (land of PEACE) has fulfilled the LAW of Christ who is the PRINCE of PEACE. Any other works you do is worthless if your organization failed to accomplish this! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to 9:6

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you quoted Sir!

If the purpose of the law has been fulfilled as you claim, why do we still have sin, why is God going to reject some people from entering Heaven?
Could it be that they did not show much love?

blueAgent:


You can claim to love God without keeping his commandments.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

You're still quoting the same thing, yet failed woefully to work out something worthwhile with all your Bible reading! 2Timothy 3:7

For your information, you can't claim to LOVE God whom you're NOT SEEING if you're unable to make PEACE and LOVE your fellow man that you can SEE! 1John 4:20

Your fellow believer from any part of the earth supposed to be your brother in Christ, so if your religious organization failed to make LOVE stand above RACIAL prejudice in your midst, then all those LAWS and SCRIPTURES you're quoting is USELESS! James 2:18-26

Your so called FAITH in an invisible God that's not able to make you LOVE dearly your fellow worshippers that you can SEE is DEAD!

Maximus69:


You're still quoting the same thing, yet failed woefully to work out something worthwhile with all your Bible reading! 2Timothy 3:7

For your information, you can't claim to LOVE God whom you're NOT SEEING if you're unable to make PEACE and LOVE your fellow man that you can SEE! 1John 4:20

Your fellow believer from any part of the earth supposed to be your brother in Christ, so if your religious organization failed to make LOVE stand above RACIAL prejudice in your midst, then all those LAWS and SCRIPTURES you're quoting is USELESS! James 2:18-26

Your so called FAITH in an invisible God that's not able to make you LOVE dearly your fellow worshippers that you can SEE is DEAD!

That means you have only fulfilled one obligation and that is to love your neighbor but you have failed to do the order which is to love God.

◄ Luke 10:27
So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the
LORD your God with all your heart, with all your
soul, with all your strength, and with all your
mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’


Loving God means obeying the first four commandments and loving your neighbor is keeping the other 6.

blueAgent:


That means you have only fulfilled one obligation and that is to love your neighbor but you have failed to do the order which is to love God.

◄ Luke 10:27
So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the
LORD your God with all your heart, with all your
soul, with all your strength, and with all your
mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’


Loving God means obeying the first four commandments and loving your neighbor is keeping the other 6.

You're 100% correct Sir, it's just that your logic is neither working anywhere nor with any group!

Maximus69:


You're 100% correct Sir, it's just that your logic is neither working anywhere nor with any group!

Do you think JW is the only church that love theirselvesn? do you think it is only JW that their members do not fight wars?

blueAgent:


(1)Do you think JW is the only church that love theirselvesn?
(2)Do you think it is only JW that their members do not fight wars?

You claim to be a Christian, so apply the logic to the church you attend FIRST. If your Church isn't in harmony with that then know that you're NOT worshiping in the midst of TRUE Christians!

LOVE is the predominant attribute of the Almighty God! 1John 4:8
There are other attributes like POWER, JUSTICE, WISDOM.

So you may found religious groups practicing the HYPOCRITICAL LOVE, but it can never be as sound and widely notable like those practicing the LOVE taught by Christ!

People may have reasons for avoiding wars, but it can never be widely notable like that of Christ's followers!

POWER is the ability to do WORK. So God's people will be noticed by their activeness and efficiency in God's work!

JUSTICE is doing things orderly without nepotism. God's people will treat all adherents equally no matter their financial status, physical capability or race.

WISDOM means the ability to convince other right thinking persons to willingly join you in doing what is beneficial for all. So God's people will attract faithful people to join them in doing God's work!

Maximus69:


You claim to be a Christian, so apply the logic to the church you attend FIRST. If your Church isn't in harmony with that then know that you're NOT worshiping in the midst of TRUE Christians!

LOVE is the predominant attribute of the Almighty God! 1John 4:8
There are other attributes like POWER, JUSTICE, WISDOM.

So you may found religious groups practicing the HYPOCRITICAL LOVE, but it can never be as sound and widely notable like those practicing the LOVE taught by Christ!

People may have reasons for avoiding wars, but it can never be widely notable like that of Christ's followers!

POWER is the ability to do WORK. So God's people will be noticed by their activeness and efficiency in God's work!

JUSTICE is doing things orderly without nepotism. God's people will treat all adherents equally no matter their financial status, physical capability or race.

WISDOM means the ability to convince other right thinking persons to willingly join you in doing what is beneficial for all. So God's people will attract faithful people to join them in doing God's work!

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the
whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with
every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be
evil.

The reason you are on Earth is to keep the commandments of God not showing love.

Love is the product of keeping God's commandments.
when you keep God's commandments love fellows immediately.

blueAgent:




Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the
whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with
every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be
evil.

The reason you are on Earth is to keep the commandments of God not showing love.

Love is the product of keeping God's commandments.
when you keep God's commandments love fellows immediately.

That's exactly what i've been telling you since!

Jesus is the new law that all earthly servants of God must keep in their hearts! Romans 10:4

If you can't find LOVE actively working in your midst, it simply means your religious group have failed woefully in keeping God's commandments that's in Christ Jesus our Lord! Romans 8:38-39

So stop and have a rethink because Satan has BLINDED billions making them think they're keeping God's LAW, yet that sign "LOVE" which is the proof of what they claim is missing in their midst! 2Corinthians 4:4

I've noticed how you've been arguing blindly in support of the Sabbath day on Nairaland. Whereas the LAW of the Sabbath came much later after Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job have died and gone! Hebrew 11:4-22 compared

If that LAW must be kept as you're insinuating now, do you think God will declare all those people righteous without keeping the Sabbath? Galatians 3:18

So my friend, don't let anyone deceive you with their FRUITLESS miracles and wonders. When God created Adam and Eve, he gave them JUST ONE RULE, it was their disobedience that led us to this stage.

We don't need LAWS to worship God in SPIRIT and TRUTH, what we need is LOVE GOD and OUR NEIGHBOURS, and the one evidence to back that is if the religious organization you're associating with is able to make LOVE work in their midst!

Maximus69:


That's exactly what i've been telling you since!

Jesus is the new law that all earthly servants of God must keep in their hearts! Romans 10:4

If you can't find LOVE actively working in your midst, it simply means your religious group have failed woefully in keeping God's commandments that's in Christ Jesus our Lord! Romans 8:38-39

So stop and have a rethink because Satan has BLINDED billions making them think they're keeping God's LAW, yet that sign "LOVE" which is the proof of what they claim is missing in their midst! 2Corinthians 4:4

You are just hidding the truth with stories and misconception of what God wants from us.

Matthew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of
these commandments, and teaches men so, shall
be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but
whoever does and teaches them, he shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven.


The law is still valid and we are told to teach people about it.

These are Jesus own words.

Love does not define or proceed God's law rather it is God's law that help us prove our love for God or our fellow man.

blueAgent:


You are just hidding the truth with stories and misconception of what God wants from us.

Matthew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of
these commandments, and teaches men so, shall
be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but
whoever does and teaches them, he shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven.


The law is still valid and we are told to teach people about it.

These are Jesus own words.

Love does not define or proceed God's law rather it is God's law that help us prove our love for God or our fellow man.

Keep doing it and let's SEE the aftereffects Sir! Matthew 5:14-16

blueAgent:
Central to the Christian  faith and belief is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but the question is do we really understand the reason why Jesus had to die in order to save Man?

Why was is impossible to save man without the death of Jesus?
To answer this questions we will look at Daniel's experience and the laws of the Mede's and Persians.

We will begin our study with the book of Daniel 6:1 -end, here we learnt that Daniel was loved by the king Darius who was the king of Mede's and Persians, he set Daniel as the first president over his kingdom, the other presidents conspired and influenced the king to establish a decree that could not be altered and by that means they  got Daniel thrown  into the lion's den.
Now when the King heard that Daniel have been found guilty before the law, the king was sore displeased  with himself and set his heart to deliver Daniel, verse 6:14 but he could not because the law and decree of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed. verse 15.
When God created the Universe and all living things, God instituted laws and decree that guided the conduct of all his created beings.
Note: Sin is not imputed where there is no law Romans5:13 and sin is defined as the transgression of the law.1John3:4
When Adam and Eve sinned against God(broke the law) the penalty of sin  which is death came upon him and his descendants(the whole human race)
Romans  6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Just as king Darius loved Daniel, so also God loved man  so much that God laboured so much to deliver man from death.
But  as the law made by imperfect Mede's and Persians could not be changed by the king in order to save Daniel how much more the law made by a perfect, Holy, righteous and unchangeable God Malachi 3:6.
God could not go contrary to his law and decree in order to save man, for the law demands death for its transgressors and only by blood is sin purged.
Hebrews  9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Like king Darius wanted to save Daniel, God wanted to save humanity from the penalty of death, while king Darius restored to fasting all night on behalf of Daniel, God could not pray or fast to anyone because no one one was higher than him and no one is  able to deliver except him.
So God restored to the only alternative, and that was to offer his only begotten son, Jesus Christ as a sacrificial lamb or offering to pay the penalty owed the law by man, who could not pay the debt.
Conclusion.
Popular teachings among Christians is  that the law (10commandments) were done away with on the cross by death of Jesus Christ this is unscriptural, rather than do away with the law Jesus magnified and exalted law through his death, just as Prophet Isaiah said he will do.Isaiah42:21.
He demonstrated that the law like that of  law of medes and Persians cannot changed.

The Experience of Daniel mirrors that of Christ , Just as Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit so also Christ was crucified for  sins he did not commit. john15:13. he was crucified to satisfy the just requirement of the law( the 10commandments) in order to  save humanity from our sins and its penalty (death)Heb 2:9-10.

Thank you reading.


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JMAN05

THE SABBATH FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN WAS THE SABBATH
INSTITUTED?
THOSE who are in the habit of reading the Scriptures just as they find
them, and of understanding them according to the established rules of
interpretation, will never be at a loss to understand so plain a passage as
the following: “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it;
because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and
made.” Genesis 2:3 Moses, when referring to it, says to the children of
Israel, “This is that which the Lord hath said , to-morrow is the REST of
the holy Sabbath unto the Lord.” Exodus 16:23 {SC1 3.1}
Then we understand that God established the seventh day Sabbath in
Paradise, on the very day when he rested from all his work, and not one
week, nor one year, not two thousand five hundred and fourteen years
afterwards, as some would have it. Is it not plain that the Sabbath was
instituted to commemorate the stupendous work of creation, and
designed by God to be celebrated by his worshipers as a weekly Sabbath,
in the same manner as the Israelites were commanded to celebrate the
Passover, from the very night of their deliverance till the resurrection of
Jesus from the dead; or as we, as a nation, annually celebrate our
national independence; or as type answers to antitype, so we believe this
must run down, to the “keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God” in
the immortal state. {SC1 3.2}
It is argued by some, that because no mention is made of the Sabbath
from its institution in Paradise till the falling of the manna in the
wilderness, mentioned in Exodus 16:15 , that it was therefore here
instituted for the Jews, but we think there is bible argument sufficient to
sustain the reply of Jesus to the Pharisees, “that the Sabbath was made
for MAN and not man for the Sabbath.” If it was made for any one
exclusively it must have been for Adam, the father of us all, two thousand
years before Abraham (who is claimed as the father of the Jews) was
born. John says, the old commandment was from the beginning - 1 John
2:7 {SC1 3.3}
There is pretty strong inference that the antediluvians measured time by
weeks from the account given by Noah, when the waters of the deluge
began to subside. He “sent out a dove which soon returned.” Genesis 8:8,
9 At the end of seven days he sent her out again; and at the end of
seven days more, he sent her out a third time. Now why this preference
for the number seven ? why not five or ten days, or any other number?
Can it be supposed that his fixing on upon seven was accidental? How
much more natural to conclude that it was in obedience to the authority
of God, as expressed in the 2nd chap. of Gen. A similar division of time
is incidentally mentioned in Genesis 29:27, 28 fulfill her week and we will
give thee this also; and Jacob did so and fulfilled her week .” Now the
word week is every where used in Scriptures as we use it; it never means
more nor less than seven days (except as symbols of years) and one of
them was in all other cases the Sabbath. But now suppose there had
been an entire silence on the subject of the Sabbath for this twenty-five
hundred years, would that be sufficient evidence that there was none. If
so, we have the same evidence that there was no Sabbath from the reign
of Joshua till the reign of David, four hundred and six years, as no
mention is made of it in the history of that period. But who can be
persuaded that Samuel and the pious Judges of Israel did not regard the
Sabbath. What does God say of Abraham? that he “obeyed my voice, and
kept my charge, my commandments , my statutes and my laws. (See what
he calls them in Exodus 16:27, 30 ) This, of course, includes the whole.
Then Abraham reverenced God’s Sabbath. Once more, there is no
mention of the circumcision from the days of Joshua till the days of
Jeremiah, a period of more than eight hundred years. Will it be believed
that Samuel and David, and all those pious worthies with the whole
Jewish nation, neglected that essential seal of the covenant for eight
hundred years? It cannot be admitted for a moment. How then can any
one suppose from the alleged silence of the sacred history that Adam,
Enoch, Noah and Abraham, kept no Sabbath, because the fact was not
stated? If we turn to Jeremiah 9:25, 26 , we find that they had not
neglected this rite of circumcision, only they had not circumcised their
hearts; so that the proof is clear, that silence respecting the keeping any
positive command of God, is no evidence that it is not in full force. {SC1
4.1}
Again, if the Sabbath was not instituted in Paradise, why did Moses
mention it in connection with the creation of the world? Why not reserve
this fact for two or three thousand years in his history, until the manna
fell in the wilderness, (see Exodus 16:22, 23) and then state that the
seventh day Sabbath commenced, as some will have it? I answer, for the
very best of reasons, that it did not commence there. Let us examine the
text. “And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as
much bread as on any preceding day, and all the rulers of the congregation
came and told Moses . And he said unto them this is that which the Lord
hath said, to-morrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath. bake that which ye
will bake, etc.etc.” If this had been the establishing of the holy Sabbath
and Moses had said to-morrow shall be the Sabbath, then would it have
been clear; but no, he speaks as familiarly about it as we do when we say
that to-morrow is the Sabbath, showing conclusively that it was known
before, or how could the people have known that they must gather two
day’s manna on Friday the sixth day, unless they had had some previous
knowledge of the Sabbath? for Moses had already taught them not to
“leave any of it until the morning” -v.19 The 20th verse shows that the
Sabbath had not yet come since their receiving the manna, because it
spoiled and “bred worms by the next morning;” whereas, on the Sabbath
morning it was found sweet and edible -24th v. This was the thirtieth day
after leaving Egypt (1st v.) and twenty days before it was given on Sinai.
The weekly Sabbath then was appointed before this or before the days of
Moses. Where was it then? Answer, in the second chapter of Genesis and
no where else; and the same week on which the manna fell, the weekly
Sabbath was revived among or with God’s chosen people. Grotius tells us
“that the memory of the creation’s being performed in seven days, was
preserved not only among the Greeks and Italians, but among the Celts
and Indians.” Other writers say Assyrians, Egyptians, Arabians, Britons and
Germans, all of whom divide their time into weeks. Philo says “the
Sabbath is not peculiar to any one people or country, but is common to
all the world.” Josephus states “that there is no city either of Greeks or
barbarians or any other nation , where the religion of the Sabbath is not
known.” But as they, like the great mass of God’s professed people in
christendom, paid little or no heed to what God had said about the
particular day, (except the Jews, and a few others) they (as we are
informed in history) adopted peculiar days to suit themselves, viz: the
christian nations chose to obey the Pope of Rome, who changed the
seventh day Sabbath to the first day, and call it the holy Sabbath; the
Persians selected Monday; the Grecians Tuesday; the Assyrians
Wednesday; the Egyptians Thursday; the Turks Friday, and the Jews the
seventh day, Saturday, as God had commanded. Three standing miracles
a week, for about forty years annually, ought to perpetuate the Sabbath.
1st, double the quantity of manna on the sixth day; 2nd, none on the
seventh; 3rd, did not spoil on the seventh day. If it does not matter which
day you keep holy to the Lord, then all these nations are right. Now
reflect one moment on this, and then open your bible and read the
commandment of the God of all these nations! “REMEMBER! (what you
have been taught before) the Sabbath day to keep it holy;” (which day is it
Lord?) “ The SEVENTH is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt
not do any work, thou not thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man servant nor
thy maid servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger, that is within thy gates.”
Who is the stranger? (Gentiles.) Now the reason for it will carry us back
again to Paradise. “ For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the
sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the SEVENTH; wherefore the
Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it .” “Wherefore the children of
Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their
generations for a perpetual covenant ; it is a SIGN between me and the
children of Israel forever . (Why is it Lord?) “ For in six days the Lord made
heaven and earth, and on the SEVENTH day he rested and was refreshed .”
Exodus 20 and 21 Which day now will you choose? O, says the reader, the
seventh if I knew which of the days it was. If you don’t know, why are you
so sure that the first day is right? O, because the history of the world has
settled that, and this is the most we can know. Very well then, does not
the seventh come the day before the eighth? If we have not got the days
of the week right now, it is not likely that we ever shall. God does not
require of us any more than what we know; by that we shall be judged.
Luke 23:55, 56 {SC1 5.1}
Once more: think you that the spirit of God ever directed Moses when he
was giving the history of the creation of the world, to write that he (God)
“blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because that in it he had
rested from all his work,” unless he meant it to be dated from that very
day? Why, this is as clear to the unbiased mind as it is that God created
man the sixth day. Would it not be the height of absurdity to attempt to
prove that God only intended Adam should be created at some future
period, or that the creation of the heavens and earth was not in the
beginning, but some twenty-five hundred years afterward? All this would
be as cogent reasoning as it would be to argue that God did not intend
this day of rest should commence until about twenty-five hundred years
afterwards. (The word Sabbath signifies rest.) {SC1 7.1}
It follows then irresistibly, that the weekly Sabbath was not made for the
Jews only, (but as Jesus says, for ‘man’) for the Jews had no existence
until more than two thousand years after it was established. President
Humphrey in his essays on the Sabbath says, “That he (God) instituted it
when he rested from all his work, on the seventh day of the first week,
and gave it primarily to our first parents, and through them to all their
posterity; that the observance of it was enjoined upon the children of
Israel soon after they left Egypt, not in the form of a new enactment, but
as an ancient institution which was far from being forgotten, though it
had doubtless been greatly neglected under the cruel domination of their
heathen masters; that it was reenacted with great pomp and solemnity,
and written in stone by the finger of God at Sinai; that the sacred
institution then took the form of a statute, with explicit prohibitions and
requirements, and has never been repealed or altered since; that it can
never expire of itself, because it has no limitation.” {SC1 7.2}
In Deuteronomy 7:6-8 , God gives his reasons for selecting the Jews to
keep his covenant in preference to any other nation; only seventy at first
Deuteronomy 10:22 . God calls it his “Sabbath,” and refers us right back to
the creation for proof. “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth
and sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh,” etc. Here
then we stand fixed by the immutable law of God, and the word of Jesus,
that “the Sabbath was made for man!” Paul says, “there is no respect of
persons with God.” Romans 2:11 . Isaiah shows us plainly that the Jew is
not the only one to be blessed for keeping the Sabbath. He says “Blessed
is the man (are not the Gentiles men) that keepeth the Sabbath from
polluting it.” “Also the sons of the stranger, (who are these if they are
not Gentiles?) every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, (does
he mean me? yes, every Gentile in the universe, or else he respects
persons) even them will I bring to my holy mountain and make them
joyful in my house of prayer; for my house shall be called an house of
prayer for all people.” Isaiah 56:2, 6, 7. If this promise is not to the
Gentile as well as the Jew, then “ the house of prayer for all people.” is no
promise to the Gentile. {SC1 7.3}
Now we ask, if God has ever abrogated the law of the Sabbath? If he has
it can easily be found. We undertake to say without fear of contradiction,
he has not made any such record in the bible; but to the contrary, he calls
it a perpetual covenant, a “sign between me and the children of Israel
forever,” for the reason that he rested on the seventh day. Exodus 31:16,
17. Says one, has not the ceremonial law been annulled and nailed to the
cross? Yes, but what of that? Why then the Sabbath must be abolished,
for Paul to say that the seventh day Sabbath was made void or nailed to
the cross at the crucifixion, when he never intended any such change; if
he did, he certainly would have deceived the inhabitants of Jerusalem, in
the promise which he made them about two thousand four hundred and
forty-six years ago! Turn now to Jeremiah 17:25 , and tell me if he did not
promise the inhabitants of Jerusalem that their city should remain forever
if they would hallow the Sabbath day. Now suppose the inhabitants of
Jerusalem had entered into this agreement, and entailed it upon their
posterity (because you see it could not have been fulfilled unless it had
continued from generation to generation,) to keep the Sabbath holy, would
not God have been bound to let Jerusalem remain forever? You say yes.
Well, then, I ask you to shew how he could have kept that promise
inviolate if he intended in less than six hundred and fifty years to change
this seventh day Sabbath, and call the first day of the week the Sabbath,
or abolish it altogether? I say, therefore, if there has been any change one
way or the other in the Sabbath, since that promise, it would be
impossible to understand any other promise in the Bible; how much more
reasonable to believe God than man. If men will allow themselves to
believe the monstrous absurdity that FOREVER, as in this promise, ended
at the resurrection, then they can easily believe that the Sabbath was
changed from the seventh to the first day of the week. Or if they choose
the other extreme, abolished until the people of God should awake to be
clothed on with immortality. Hebrews 4:9 . {SC1 8.1}
Now does it not appear plain that the Sabbath is from God, and that it is
coeval and co-extensive (as is the institution of marriage) with the world.
That it is without limitation; that there is not one thus saith the Lord that
it ever was or ever will be abolished, in time or eternity. See Exodus
31:16, 17 ; and Isaiah 66:22, 24 ; Hebrews 4:4, 9. But let us return and look
at the subject as we have commenced in the light of Paul’s argument to
the Romans and Colossians, for here is where all writers on this subject,
for the change or the overthrow of the seventh day Sabbath attempt to
draw their strong arguments. The second question then, is this: {SC

blueAgent:





JMAN05

I see the picture you want to paint. It is true that Daniel was judged from a law orchestrated by his enemies. Christ did die unjustly. however, there are differences that made the point not remarkable for me.

1. Daniel did not die for humans nor for his fellow Israelites. He was not even thrown into the den for the sin of anybody.

2. Daniel did sin against the Law of Persia that was newly enacted, although it was a witch-hunt. Christ did not sin against the law of God.

3. The law God gave the Israelites was changed.The Persian does not change. True, you say that the one that ended was the Mosaic law. Even at that, it was God that gave that law.

JMAN05:


I see the picture you want to paint. It is true that Daniel was judged from a law orchestrated by his enemies. Christ did die unjustly. however, there are differences that made the point not remarkable for me.

1. Daniel did not die for humans nor for his fellow Israelites. He was not even thrown into the den for the sin of anybody.

2. Daniel did sin against the Law of Persia that was newly enacted, although it was a witch-hunt. Christ did not sin against the law of God.

3. The law God gave the Israelites was changed.The Persian does not change. True, you say that the one that ended was the Mosaic law. Even at that, it was God that gave that law.

The purpose of that article was to demonstrate God's justice and mercy.

The Mede's do not change their law, so also God could not change his law to save man or his son.

How was the 10commandments or law given to the Isaeralites changed?

Is auldtery,stealing,killing,liaring, using the name of God in vain, bowing to Idols, and all other 10laws no longer sin?

If the law was changed can we now kill others?