Jesus is Lord (1 Cor. 12:3).

That is the single, central, foundational, and distinguishing article of Christianity. It is also the first essential confession of faith every true Chris tian must make: “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved” (Rom. 10:9). The belief that someone could be a true Christian while that person’s whole lifestyle, value system, speech, and attitude are marked by a stubborn refusal to surrender to Christ as Lord is a notion that shouldn’t even need to be refuted. It is an idea you will never find in any credible volume of Christian doctrine or devotion from the time of the earliest church fathers through the era of the Protestant Reformation and for at least three and a half centuries beyond that. The now-pervasive influence of the no-lordship doctrine among evangelicals reflects the shallowness and spiritual poverty of the contemporary evangelical movement. It is also doubtless one of the main causes for evangelicalism’s impoverishment. You cannot remove the lordship of Christ from the gospel message without undermining faith at its core. That is precisely what is happening in the church today. Jesus’ teaching and ministry always kept the issue of His lordship at the center. As we survey His earthly life and ministry in this book, you will see the pattern quite clearly. He never once shied away from declaring His authority as sovereign Master. He proclaimed it to disciples, to enemies, and to casual inquirers alike — refusing to tone down the implications of His demand for unconditional surrender. So the true gospel according to Jesus is a message that cannot be divorced from the reality of His lordship. When Jesus called people to follow Him, He was not seeking companions to be His sidekicks or admirers whom He could entertain with miracles. He was calling people to yield completely and unreservedly to His lordship.

Extract from the book "Gospel according to Jesus Christ " by John MacArthur

Well said really.

When someone cannot save himself on the cross,how will he be able to save others.

sulasa07:
When someone cannot save himself on the cross,how will he be able to save others.

Million Dollar question..

sulasa07:
When someone cannot save Himself on the cross, how will He be able to save others.

"... you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins."
- Matthew 1:21b

What really and specifically are you totally, completely and wrongly taking for granted that He, on the cross, ought to save Himself from?

sonmvayina:
Million Dollar question..

The real million dollar question that should please stand up, and to ask a question, to the effect of: why would anyone ask such a sulasa07 invalid question and especially one, that's based on what is a false premise and/or totally, completely and wrong assumption?

MuttleyLaff:
"... you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins."
- Matthew 1:21b

What really and specifically are you totally, completely and wrongly taking for granted that He, on the cross, ought to save Himself from?

The real million dollar question that should please stand up, and to ask a question, to the effect of: why would anyone ask such a sulasa07 invalid question and especially one, that's based on what is a false premise and/or totally, completely and wrong assumption?

The idea of somebody dying for the sins of others did not originate from God it is a pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. God already provided a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7 :14....

sonmvayina:
The idea of somebody dying for the sins of others did not originate from God

I guess you're oblivious of Genesis 3:15, Genesis 22:18 etcetera then, hmm?. Or did the Romans add Galatians 3:16 too, lol?

sonmvayina:
... it is a pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures...

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You know you can do better than just simply typing that it is a pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures. Where is the pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures?

sonmvayina:
God already provided a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7:14...

I have enough times, read you in the past typing this mischievous and lazy nonsense and this is about reading you putting forward just 2nd Chronicles 7:14. Not only interpreting it wrongly but also interpreting it out of context. Have you, deliberated over 2nd Chronicles 7:13 and/or 2nd Chronicles 7:15, in conjunction with 2nd Chronicles 7:14?

Friend, context is king, when you read bible verses in isolation, you just like you've done, are reading and understanding it under pretext and with an agenda to deceive, mislead and misinform with false and/or inaccurate information. Tut, tut, tut. Please you might have been typing this your lazy and not well thought through 2nd Chronicles 7:14 nonsense misinterpretation with others, but don't think you'll get away unchallenged with me.

MuttleyLaff:
I guess you're oblivious of Genesis 3:15, Genesis 22:18 etcetera then, hmm?. Or did the Romans add Galatians 3:16 too, lol?

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You know you can do better than just simply typing that it is a pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures. Where is the pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures?

I have enough times, read you in the past typing this mischievous and lazy nonsense and this is about reading you putting forward just 2nd Chronicles 7:14. Not only interpreting it wrongly but also interpreting it out of context. Have you, deliberated over 2nd Chronicles 7:13 and/or 2nd Chronicles 7:15, in conjunction with 2nd Chronicles 7:14?

Friend, context is king, when you read bible verses in isolation, you just like you've done, are reading and understanding it under pretext and with an agenda to deceive, mislead and misinform with false and/or inaccurate information. Tut, tut, tut. Please you might have been typing this your lazy and not well thought through 2nd Chronicles 7:14 nonsense misinterpretation with others, but don't think you'll get away unchallenged with me.

show us from d old testament where it was prophesied that a jesus was to die for the sins of human kind.

kkins25:
Show us from the Old Testament where it was prophesied that a Jesus was to die for the sins of human kind.

Isaiah 53:1-12 QED. Trust you to always rely on others to lift up the floorboards for you to see under, without you not lifting so much of a finger yourself.

MuttleyLaff:
I guess you're oblivious of Genesis 3:15, Genesis 22:18 etcetera then, hmm?. Or did the Romans add Galatians 3:16 too, lol?

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You know you can do better than just simply typing that it is a pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures. Where is the pagan ideology that the Romans added at the end of the Jewish scriptures?

I have enough times, read you in the past typing this mischievous and lazy nonsense and this is about reading you putting forward just 2nd Chronicles 7:14. Not only interpreting it wrongly but also interpreting it out of context. Have you, deliberated over 2nd Chronicles 7:13 and/or 2nd Chronicles 7:15, in conjunction with 2nd Chronicles 7:14?

Friend, context is king, when you read bible verses in isolation, you just like you've done, are reading and understanding it under pretext and with an agenda to deceive, mislead and misinform with false and/or inaccurate information. Tut, tut, tut. Please you might have been typing this your lazy and not well thought through 2nd Chronicles 7:14 nonsense misinterpretation with others, but don't think you'll get away unchallenged with me.

A word is enough for the wise.. Go on wallowing in your ignorance... When the time comes you will unlearn.. And relearn.. Thanks

MuttleyLaff:
Isaiah 53:1-12 QED. Trust you to always rely on others to lift up the floorboards for you to see under, without you not lifting so much of a finger yourself.

Ode... Isaiah 53 is about Israel, God already told you who his servant is in 41:8-9..it is talking about a servant not a son.. Okpe

The servant is suffering because of what was done to him.. It is not even a prophesy, it was what the gentle will say when they discover that Israel was innocent and right all along..

MuttleyLaff:
Isaiah 53:1-12 QED. Trust you to always rely on others to lift up the floorboards for you to see under, without you not lifting so much of a finger yourself.

hahahahahah

sonmvayina:
A word is enough for the wise.. Go on wallowing in your ignorance... When the time comes you will unlearn.. And relearn.. Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKX2fF5LAw4

sonmvayina:
Ode... Isaiah 53 is about Israel, ... Okpe

Ode... Wow, now that is a very naughty word from what I know what the meaning of it is and this coming from a supposedly intelligent person that you so believe and think you are, smh. Tbh, I am almost was first upset by you calling me such name, and immediately set off to retaliate and respond in kind but then I remembered that sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me, so means, you can have your "Ode" and "Okpe" words back and shove them up your where the sun don't shine, lol.

With that out of the way, now on to the business at hand. So according to "knowledgeable" not, sonmvayina, lol, God has only one that's called servant, and that is in the person of Israel. I just love how our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and the Apostles (e.g. Peter, Paul etcetera) usually backtrack, go down into scripture (i.e. the old Testament) and then, either verbatim quote from them or paraphrase them. They demonstrate that the New Testament indeed, is in the Old Testament concealed, and so therefore go about revealing the Old Testament, in the New Testament, paraphrased. Praise the Lord. Alleluia. God is Good jor.

Meet me below, for your private, tuition free, Bible 101, to get the low-down on what dual prophecies

sonmvayina:
The servant is suffering because of what was done to him.. It is not even a prophesy, it was what the gentle will say when they discover that Israel was innocent and right all along..

"¹³Behold, My Servant will prosper;
He will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
¹⁴Just as many were appalled at Him —
His appearance was disfigured beyond that of any man,
and His form was marred beyond human likeness—
¹⁵so He will sprinkleg many nations.
Kings will shut their mouths because of Him.
For they will see what they have not been told,
and they will understand what they have not heard"
- Isaiah 52:13-15

"¹Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
²He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no stately form or majesty to attract us,
no beauty that we should desire Him.
³He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief.
Like one from whom men hide their faces,
He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.
⁴Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows;
yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted.
⁵But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
and by His stripes we are healed.
⁶We all like sheep have gone astray,
each one has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on Him, the iniquity of us all.
⁷He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth.
He was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.
⁸By oppression and judgment He was taken away,
and who can recount His descendants?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
He was stricken for the transgression of My people.
⁹He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in His death,
although He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth.
¹⁰Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer;
and when His soul is made a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days,
and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
¹¹After the anguish of His soul,
He will see the light of life and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many,
and He will bear their iniquities.
¹²Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the great,
and He will divide the spoils with the strong,
because He has poured out His life unto death,
and He was numbered with the transgressors.
Yet He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors."
- Isaiah 53:1-12

"Instead of this, of his own free will He gave up all He had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness.
(i.e. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,
But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man)"
- Philippians 2:7

I bet you formed this naive and again, another lazy opinion, after gorging on wikipedia, to then, smh, come regurgitate and spill out here. How many times do you need reminded that context is king, huh? You destroyed the meaning of Isaiah 52 and 53 by your incomplete study of both them. Your lack of proper understanding of Isaiah, Chapter 52:13-53:12 left you imposing your utterly absurd and/or ridiculous opinion(s) particularly on Isaiah 53.

Your half baked study, didnt let you realise that there exists something called dual prophecy, which implies present and future application. Apostle Peter, in 1 Peter 2:21-24, paraphrases Isaiah 53:1-12 and declares fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in Jesus Christ.

From the Bible, we read that whilst being lead to His death, Jesus was spat on. He was blindfolded, then repeatedly slapped and struck on the head. People along the street leading to Calvary, pulled out the hairs of His beard, as in, tear out or ripped out His beard from Him, as He walked by, carrying His cross.

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Other bible passages, further, even said, Jesus was not just ordinarily beaten but that He was extraordinarily beaten up. He was beaten up beyond recognition, such that, those that looked at Him in this state, recoiled back, horrified with shock at His appearance, because He was so disfigured that He didnt at all resemble a human being anymore, as in, He hardly at all, looked like a human being after the grievous bodily harm assault (GBH assault) on Him. He fugly, literally was completely panel beaten up beyond ever being recognised to be a human being. He was extremely beaten that horribly bad, that His appearance didnt look like anything that would pass for a human being.

sonmvayina:
God already told you who his servant is in 41:8-9, it is talking about a servant not a son.. Okpe

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So what about Isaiah 41:8-9? Havent you read and carefully thought about Isaiah 49:3 and Isaiah 49:5 ni? OK, lets reason this together now then. Lets be logical together, lets take it if we could and get to understand all this but that's if at all, if you can manage though.

Yes sonmvayina, I agree along with you and without demur, that at Isaiah 41:8-9, it is talking about a servant not a Son, but Isaiah 49:3 and Isaiah 49:5, is talking of another Servant, deliberately also named Israel, and commissioned with a task, to bring another Israel, back to God, as in meaning, to restore a preserved of Israel. Now, remember sonmvayina that, context is king, well check out Isaiah 49:6, that says: "You will do more than restore the people of Israel to me. I will make you a light to the Gentiles, and you will bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."

To be called Israel, is not an exclusive rights to only Jacob or the Israelites. It is up to God, to call whomsoever He so deem fit and/or qualifies on merit, to be called Israel. It is a God's prerogative, to have anyone selected to serve Him

You are dwelling in emotions, making asinine remarks, calling people "ode" etcetera and restricting yourself to Isaiah 41:8-9. Sure, Isaiah 41:8-9, indeed is about the nation of Israel but not Isaiah 49:1–9 isnt my friend, lol. You cant, not especially with Isaiah 49:3 and Isaiah 49:5, can you equate those two verses to be the nation of Israel. The Messianic prophecies about Jesus Christ is glaring in there brother, lol.

Christianity is well packaged modern paganism. Jesus will disown you and your blasphemy before the Lord of the Throne.

The right religion is surrendering to God alone while doing good.

That has been the message from Adam,Noah,Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad (Peace be on them)

Which Jesus is Lord? How is he Lord?

AntiChristian:
Which Jesus is Lord?

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
- Corinthians 8:6

AntiChristian:
How is he Lord?

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, the LORD (i.e. Yahweh), to them."
- Exodus 6:3

Whenever we come across ''Lord'' and/or ''LORD'' in the bible, each means and signifies different things. The ''LORD'' full capitalisation is a fill-in for the word Yahweh, this is because the Jews to-date feel Yahweh, God's personal and/or official name is too holy or sacred for them to directly utter and/or outrightly write down and that's why until lately, in some bible versions, instead of seeing Yahweh or Jehovah, we see ''LORD'' instead replacing the name

Who are ''they'' who knew the name before that meeting with Moses. Gen 18:3?

According to the bible, God in Gen 18:3, appeared to Abraham as Adonai (i.e. Lord) and Lord, here meaning, Owner, its signifies ownership, same way a landlord signifies being the owner of a house or landed property so God appeared to Abraham as an Owner of Abraham.

Many years before Abigail, used the term, lord is the same adjective, Sarah, used for her husband Abraham too. Lord, is the same word, as previously mentioned, we get the word, landlord fro. It means the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land or real estate which is rented. Sarah and Abigail, were merely recognising that their husbands are their owners.

"Why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should visit me?"
- Luke 1:43

Yes, 4000 years or so later, after Sarah and Abigail, Christ is also Lord to Mary, we see Elizabeth in Luke 1:43 above confirm this

Lord, is from the same root word we get the word landlord from. Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner of Mary and every other human being. Be continue grinning there like a Cheshire cat, OK. The Owner of your breath, that you AntiChristian breathe, is one day, going to ask off it back.

MuttleyLaff:
"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
- Corinthians 8:6

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, the LORD (i.e. Yahweh), to them."
- Exodus 6:3

Whenever we come across ''Lord'' and/or ''LORD'' in the bible, each means and signifies different things. The ''LORD'' full capitalisation is a fill-in for the word Yahweh, this is because the Jews to-date feel Yahweh, God's personal and/or official name is too holy or sacred for them to directly utter and/or outrightly write down and that's why until lately, in some bible versions, instead of seeing Yahweh or Jehovah, we see ''LORD'' instead replacing the name

Who are ''they'' who knew the name before that meeting with Moses. Gen 18:3?

According to the bible, God in Gen 18:3, appeared to Abraham as Adonai (i.e. Lord) and Lord, here meaning, Owner, its signifies ownership, same way a landlord signifies being the owner of a house or landed property so God appeared to Abraham as an Owner of Abraham.

Many years before Abigail, used the term, lord is the same adjective, Sarah, used for her husband Abraham too. Lord, is the same word, as previously mentioned, we get the word, landlord fro. It means the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land or real estate which is rented. Sarah and Abigail, were merely recognising that their husbands are their owners.

"Why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should visit me?"
- Luke 1:43

Yes, 4000 years or so later, after Sarah and Abigail, Christ is also Lord to Mary, we see Elizabeth in Luke 1:43 above confirm this

Lord, is from the same root word we get the word landlord from. Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner of Mary and every other human being. Be continue grinning there like a Cheshire cat, OK. The Owner of your breath, that you AntiChristian breathe, is one day, going to ask off it back.

You mean like Lord Lugard who amalgamated Nigeria?

AntiChristian:
You mean like Lord Lugard who amalgamated Nigeria?

In the context of him being an imperialist, yes AntiChristian, Nigeria, was once owned and/or lorded over, when the Royal Niger Company sold its territory (i.e. Nigeria) to the British government for £865,000.