Akhagbenidestin:
Benin is the greatest

If Benin is the greatest, what do we say about Ife

Meninmen:


Shut up and stop talking out of ignorance. Even as Lucky igbinedion (when he was governor) and his father (the esama of benin kingdom) were having issues with the late oba of Benin, it never crossed his mind one day to dethrone the oba. It can never happen. If you know the history of the Benin Kingdom, and the spiritual powers that follow occupiers of that seat, you wouldn't be talking like this


As Benin is, they already know their next oba (the first son of the current oba) and no governor or king makers can alter it.

Bros, stop arguing this nonsense. All you are talking about is History. Sounds like Things fall Apart when Okonkwo was defending their Gods and customs. This is 2020, the Governor can order the removal and dethronement of the Oba, right now and nothing will happen. Lucky sued the Oba and he went to court even with the "Oba no dey go court" history. Its just because Lucky is not daring or crazy enough to want to ridicule the Oba. The only argument you will argue and i will agree with is "Obaseki" understands and respects the Benin tradition and has a lot of respect for the stool irrespective of who occupies it. Yes, that i will agree with and for that reason, things will be handled amicably, but don't ever say "It can never happen"., you should have said it under Abacha naa, dem go dethrone the Oba to Ijebu Ode in a heartbeat. Also, i hope that nonsense of burying people when the Oba dies is a myth or no longer in practice? Most especially with social media and the new world order, if they should try that one, your king makers will go to jail oh.

davidnazee:


Using your picture example then Ooni is not an imperial majesty..

Are you kidding me now?? See desperation!!

How you concluded that such random Facebook account is officially binding is still beyond me.

Go back to my comment and re-read where I intentionally used the phrase "officially ... in Nigeria"; not just any random post on Facebook.

Sorry, but you lost your battle against reality.

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Lostz:
but OBA OF BENIN OVONRAMWEN NOGBAISI, was dethroned and exiled to Calabar. what happened to all the spiritual attack?

What year was that?
No today
You can't dethrone the oba of Benin
You can stop all government assistance
One of the major reason today Oba of Benin need to start investing

Any king whose rulership depend of the whims and caprices of a sitting governor is an audio King.

Give respect to the Oba of Benin. Whoever is the Edo state governor, no matter how angry he is against the oba can't think of dethroning him. Never.

Even as the Benin people are, they already know their next King (the first son of the current oba), even though they may not know him in person as he is usually hidden from public eyes and usually far away from his father. The man will just perform some traditional rites to become oba. He doesn't need any certificate of office from any Governor or selection by King makers.

TAO11:


Are you kidding me now?? See desperation!!

How you concluded that such Facebook account is official in Nigeria is still beyond me.

Go back to my comment and re-read where I wrote official in Nigeria, not just anything on yhe internet.

Sorry, you lost your battle against reality.

Bro if u know understand what an “imperial power “ implies then you will agree Oba of Benin is an imperial majesty and Ooni of Ife is NOT..

tofolo:
We also respect ours.

This picture is not a matter
of respect, it shows a prayer
session in the prayer ground.

The emir is on a seat, probably
because he may be sick or to frail
to be standing up & down for the
Muslim prayers.

Kneeling or prostration in some
Nigerian communities is cultural,
the Fulani forbade the Hausas from
observating their original pre-jihad
cultures, while leaving themselves
to continue..

Fulani still do the 'sharo' & all types
of cultural events, keep long exposed,
plaited hairs in men & women & many
Fulani women still move around, half
nakked, and no Islamic authority challenges
them
.

helinues:
Ednut is behaving toddlish.

The mods that moved this to fp must be a tribal war Lord.

No iota of truth in the statements .Ednut is being mischievous

No, lets be honest.. You're a tribal bigot who hates the Edo's. What did Ednut said that wired you up like this?
Your hatred is destrotive and I hope I never come across you or your 'kind' of people in my Life. AMEN!!

cRobo:
I won't say a word

You've said 5 words already.

johnmattew:
u clearly don't know 5he kind of power oba of benin has..

oba of lagos,Olu of warri,obi of Onitsha, all kings in Edo and delta and some kings in rivers state are all under of benin

Oba of Lagos under Oba of Benin? What did you smoke?

cRobo:
I won't say a word

not even a little? You don't have to say much

Organs:



Bros, stop arguing this nonsense. All you are talking about is History. Sounds like Things fall Apart when Okonkwo was defending their Gods and customs. This is 2020, the Governor can order the removal and dethronement of the Oba, right now and nothing will happen. Lucky sued the Oba and he went to court even with the "Oba no dey go court" history. Its just because Lucky is not daring or crazy enough to want to ridicule the Oba. The only argument you will argue and i will agree with is "Obaseki" understands and respects the Benin tradition and has a lot of respect for the stool irrespective of who occupies it. Yes, that i will agree with and for that reason, things will be handled amicably, but don't ever say "It can never happen"., you should have said it under Abacha naa, dem go dethrone the Oba to Ijebu Ode in a heartbeat. Also, i hope that nonsense of burying people when the Oba dies is a myth or no longer in practice? Most especially with social media and the new world order, if they should try that one, your king makers will go to jail oh.

What Is this one saying? If you are ignorant, then keep quite. Each state is governed by laws when it comes to Traditional institutions and I can tell you in the Edo state chieftaincy law, the governor has no power to dethrone the oba of Benin. It is not within his power. If it was, Lucky igbinedion would have done that a long time ago when he was governor and was having issues with the late oba. Even when he dragged the oba to court, the oba never appeared in court. The matter was killed b4 it even started and him and his father had to apologize to the late Oba

Stay Nairaland to argue wetin you nor know

Curtsy is different from Kneeling.

Cursty:
A curtsy is a traditional gesture of greeting, in which a girl or woman bends her knees while bowing her head. It is the female equivalent of male bowing or genuflecting in Western cultures

Kneeling:
Kneeling is a basic human position where one or both knees touch the ground.

farem:


Lies! Anyone just opens mouth to say unfounded things.
Theresa May (the head of British government) is seen below kneeling upandan for Queen and even the Prince of England.

Dizzyrascal:
not even a little? You don't have to say much

No I won't

Stop begging me to say a word

Who does it help

Lostz:
but OBA OF BENIN OVONRAMWEN NOGBAISI, was dethroned and exiled to Calabar. what happened to all the spiritual attack?

The people behind it suffered for it. go read up... the lead guy committed suicide.

davidnazee:


Bro if u know understand what an “imperial power “ implies then you will agree Oba of Benin is an imperial majesty and Ooni of Ife is NOT..

First of all: You're bragging emptily before the wrong person.

Secondly: I've just demonstrated to you that in Nigeria, the Oba of Benin is NEVER officially styled as "His Imperial Majesty". It just has never happened before.

Rather his styling is: "His Royal Majesty" just as several other Tom, Dick, and Harry.

What evidence, proof, or reason do you then have in defense of your earlier grandoise misappropriation to the Oba of Benin, if you still stand by it??

Thirdly: I've stated that only the Ooni of Ife has the exclusive official right, in Nigeria, to the styling "His Imperial Majesty".

Your random Facebook "rejoinder" as has been pointed out holds no water as it has zero weight in official traditional matters in Nigeria.

You also seem to have seen that light for your silence on that matter in your comeback.


Lastly: Regarding who is supreme and imperial between the two monarchs:

Permit me to educate you on what you probably have never heard before.

There are tons of established evidence (in academia) demonstrating without a shred of doubt that the Ooni of Ife is suzerain, imperial, and divine over Benin kingdom and its Oba.

I will point out two of the simplest and clearest of these tons of evidence:

1. The kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to the Ooni of Ife.

Refer to time-stamp 47:16 to 49:00 in the BBC/British Museum History & Art documentary below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s


2. The kings of Benin kingdom regard the Ooni of Ife as their god in human flesh.

In fact, Omo N'Oba Erediauwa I in his 2004 work "The Benin-Ife Connection" noted that in Benin kingdom the Ooni of Ife was called "Oghene" --- What does "Oghene" mean in your language??


Refer below to Margaret Plass in "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg, Deputy Keeper of Ethnography in the British Museum."


"... Oba Oguola --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- applied to his spiritual overlord, the Oni of Ife, for the service of a bronze founder to teach his people..."

cRobo:


No I won't

Stop begging me to say a word

am so sorry. I won't beg again

Teewhy2:
What I believe is that no king is greater than the government, if you have a crazy governor in power he will do and un do to any king no matter the status. it might later have repercussion on him and his household but what has spoit has spoilt

Not benin bro. You dont stay here,so forget

If you know wetin this oba of Benin and alafin of oyo get inside house ehn even you sef as politician no go like do any how near them cause they know who they are and the kind of sipritual powers they control....even if they do anyhow Las Las the governor go beg am to calm down..... someone once told me that the oba of Benin does not speak in Anger and it won't happen before 2hours.......

cRobo:
I won't say a word

But you just did!!

tophumble:
Hmmmmmm

This is a fallacy of hasty generalisation.

The fact that Ganduje dethroned Sanusi does not mean it applies to other kingdoms, besides it is their culture to kneel down for their King in Edo, in Yoruba land our Governors still prostrate to greet the traditional rulers

while in PH wike de deal with them ��

Organs:



Bros, stop arguing this nonsense. All you are talking about is History. Sounds like Things fall Apart when Okonkwo was defending their Gods and customs. This is 2020, the Governor can order the removal and dethronement of the Oba, right now and nothing will happen. Lucky sued the Oba and he went to court even with the "Oba no dey go court" history. Its just because Lucky is not daring or crazy enough to want to ridicule the Oba. The only argument you will argue and i will agree with is "Obaseki" understands and respects the Benin tradition and has a lot of respect for the stool irrespective of who occupies it. Yes, that i will agree with and for that reason, things will be handled amicably, but don't ever say "It can never happen"., you should have said it under Abacha naa, dem go dethrone the Oba to Ijebu Ode in a heartbeat. Also, i hope that nonsense of burying people when the Oba dies is a myth or no longer in practice? Most especially with social media and the new world order, if they should try that one, your king makers will go to jail oh.

Go online and call out obaseki to try it.

He can be dethroned by a local government chairman.

ghettokid1:
Election things

This picture are other governor and president that prostrate for Oba and even in North.

Don't make it look like it is new.

It is not by kneeling down in greeting the Oba or not, let the Oba do anyhow to the governor, he go see anyhow as the governor go treat his matter the way he nor expect

dietola01:
Popular social media enthusiast, Tunde Ednut has stated that in Benin city, Edo state, governors kneels to greet the king but in other kingdoms, the king shivers before the governor.

Speaking in an Instagram post, Ednut shared a photo of Governor Godwin Obaseki kneeling before Oba of Benin...

This picture are other governor and president that prostrate for Oba and even in North.

Don't make it look like it is new

bjdon:
The documented history of the bini kingdom is over 1000 years old. Established norms and traditions that are maintained to this day

documented history for over 1000 years ??
Which documents exist in Bini from 1000 years ago or you mean the Oral history?

DNSPro:
The people behind it suffered for it. go read up... the lead guy committed suicide.

suffered for what? Harry Rawson who led the attack died in 1910 after an operation for appendicitis .

GoodFaith:
What year was that? No today You can't dethrone the oba of Benin You can stop all government assistance One of the major reason today Oba of Benin need to start investing

so the spiritual power of a Benin oba was weaker then?