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Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 8:08pm On Apr 16, 2020
Maximus69:

It's incomplete if i don't answer your first question!

Why do JWs oppose the Trinity doctrine?

Well, it's because the teaching is demonic, it is the main reason why the Churches of Christendom have failed woefully to make sound disciples like the JWs!

First of all, if Jesus is God himself, please how do you convince a sane person to imitate someone who is just pretending?
Jesus taught us to imitate him so that we can please his father the way he himself did, please if he himself is the father how do you think a sane person will find it easy to imitate someone pleasing himself? undecided

Jesus said he came to do his father's will, but trinitarians say he himself is the father, please how do you comprehend that?

That's why i keep asking hupernikao to present a group that's doing the will of God today by sacrificing their time like Jesus did to preach and teach about God's kingdom in a better way than Jehovah's Witnesses?

The truth is there can't be any! smiley


Because once they're taught that the person they're supposed to imitate is the same person they're trying to please, everything becomes difficult for them to comprehend. The question they will continue asking deep down in their heart is why must i sacrifice all my life to please God?

So it's a demonic teaching that was fabricated to mock God! smiley

You and this your Trinity or Anti-Trinity doctrine. You are only trying to pull up what doesnt exist in any of my post. If it does, point me to it where i speak about Trinity. I have told you severally, that if you want to discuss Trinity, open a thread i will be available there to read your submission. But here, the focus is on your mis-interpretation of scriptures on the current topic. And you have done it consistently, sadly those false explanations seems to be your basis of arguing trinity. I guess that is your fear.

Also, It is not smart for you to assume my believe about Trinity or its existing doctrine. That is not smart enough. It shows you arent following details. But if you want to change this course and ready for the discussion, open a thread, we can have full discussion there and i hope you wont turn it out to be personal issues.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 8:14pm On Apr 16, 2020
Maximus69:


The bolded is part of the misconceptions taught by trinitarians!

Man is a living soul, at death we seize to exist completely, nothing survives us at death! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

God and Jesus are separate persons {Psalms 110:1} but the holy spirit is not a person, it's the active force of God. Humans were created in God's image simply means possess some qualities like LOVE, JUSTICE, WISDOM and POWER. These qualities is the only difference between human and animals, but at death both human and animals are equal! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

So the ability to see, touch, feel, speak, hear, and do so many other things like impregnating a female is carried out by different parts of the human body, but God uses his holy spirit to accomplish all things, unlike we humans that needed to get to where a person is before we can make him do what he wouldn't have done ordinarily, God uses his holy spirit to do all things!

So there is nothing like three in one neither in God or man! smiley

The issue is, Maximus69 like using scriptures without doing proper study on them. You dont quote scriptures just to defend your point. You quote scriptures to say what it truly says and that can only be known when you study all together.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:26pm On Apr 16, 2020
Myer:


If you truly read the scriptures with an open and honest heart, you wouod have agreed with Maximus69. It is more believable that Jesus is not God than to believe that Jesus is God according to the scriptures.
But as I keep trying to help open your eyes, the bible is full of contradictions. Both of you are right on this issue.

The bolded is a misconception!

There are rebellious spirits (fallen angels) that God kept in spiritual darkness (no more receiving information from God)! 2Peter 2:4 compare to Jude 6

This angels are the same spirits that people have been worshiping in all other nations except in Israel. After Jesus commissioned Christianity majority of them who can't find worshipers transformed themselves and established different forms of religion in Jesus name, and their priests are the Pastors you're seeing around today. undecided 2Corinthians 11:13-15
Please ask yourself "where are the magicians that we use to know back in the early 70s to late 80s?
Well they're now Pastors performing magical arts in the churches today! Revelations 16:14

So back to what you said about the Bible's contradictions!

Since the true God have shunned this evil spirits and they don't know anything about their future than destruction {Matthew 8:29} they're now confused and all they're now expecting is to hear anything about how their destruction will take place, there is nobody who will disclose that to them than humans who can't see them, that's why God never revealed everything to Jesus {Matthew 24:36} because Jesus loved humans too much {Proverbs 8:30} and for him to have seen how humans displayed strong faith in him {Luke 22:28-30} Jesus would have revealed everything good to his friends out of LOVE!

But God kept it and began revealing it bit by bit to the born again Christians, so anytime the born again Christians gather in a place, the demons comes to listen perhaps they can hear one or two things about what will happen to them through the born again Christians! 1Peter 1:12

So don't let the gibberish trinitarians are spewing up and down confuse you about God's word. The sacred secrets in the book is revealed bit by bit to the born again Christians alone! Daniel 12:8-10

It's the demons they're worshiping that's saying contradicting things to them.

All these may sound just like a mere assertion, right?

Please ask them to present just one group out of all the other religions claiming Christians that are doing the preaching and teaching work like Jehovah's Witnesses, after all if God's spirit is working in their midst there should be the fruitage of God's holy spirit in their midst! LOVE,JOY,PEACE,PATIENCE,GENTLENESS GOODNESS,FAITH,MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL!

Is it not FAITH that will motivate them to work along with their beliefs for God? James 2:18-26

Please Myer, trinitarians are only heading towards destruction. If you want to know what the Bible really teach, Jesus' true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) will come and teach you face to face, free of charge, at your leisure in the convenience and comfort of your home! Matthew 10:11-16

Thanks!

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Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:31pm On Apr 16, 2020
hupernikao:


The issue is, Maximus69 like using scriptures without doing proper study on them. You dont quote scriptures just to defend your point. You quote scriptures to say what it truly says and that can only be known when you study all together.

I don't open threads, i'm only searching for those who wants to learn the truth, so if i make my presentation and you feel you know better, i'll switch to the next person.

Just present a group that's zealously, industriously, faithfully preaching and teaching in your neighborhood the way Jesus commissioned it!

Leave the rest to me, i know how to proceed from there! smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 8:36pm On Apr 16, 2020
Maximus69:


The bolded is part of the misconceptions taught by trinitarians!

Man is a living soul, at death we seize to exist completely, nothing survives us at death! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

God and Jesus are separate persons {Psalms 110:1} but the holy spirit is not a person, it's the active force of God. Humans were created in God's image simply means possess some qualities like LOVE, JUSTICE, WISDOM and POWER. These qualities is the only difference between human and animals, but at death both human and animals are equal! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

So the ability to see, touch, feel, speak, hear, and do so many other things like impregnating a female is carried out by different parts of the human body, but God uses his holy spirit to accomplish all things, unlike we humans that needed to get to where a person is before we can make him do what he wouldn't have done ordinarily, God uses his holy spirit to do all things!

So there is nothing like three in one neither in God or man! smiley

About the Holyspirit being an active force, you clearly need to pay more attention to details.
The pronoun used to describe the holyspirit is "he" not "it."
Meaning he's a person not a force.

And he represents the power of God or God's presence meaning he's a manifestation of God according to the bible.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:58pm On Apr 16, 2020
Myer:


About the Holyspirit being an active force, you clearly need to pay more attention to details.
The pronoun used to describe the holyspirit is "he" not "it."
Meaning he's a person not a force.

And he represents the power of God or God's presence meaning he's a manifestation of God according to the bible.

Jesus use illustrations, metaphors and similes during most of his talks, so if you don't ask his true followers who are close to him, you will only hear him speak but the application will become difficult!

Jesus also used "her" for wisdom {Luke 7:35} of course wisdom is not a person? cheesy

But all these will only lead to endless arguments, just ask those saying the holy spirit is a person to go and work with him after all the real holy spirit will surely bear fruit {Galatians 5:22-23} so we need not waste time on that!

Let them go and work with their holy spirit, so that everyone can see the fruit of their holy spirit no wahala! smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:32pm On Apr 16, 2020
Maximus69:


I don't open threads, i'm only searching for those who wants to learn the truth, so if i make my presentation and you feel you know better, i'll switch to the next person.

Just present a group that's zealously, industriously, faithfully preaching and teaching in your neighborhood the way Jesus commissioned it!

Leave the rest to me, i know how to proceed from there! smiley

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Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:36pm On Apr 16, 2020
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 10:53pm On Apr 16, 2020
Maximus69:


The bolded is a misconception!

There are rebellious spirits (fallen angels) that God kept in spiritual darkness (no more receiving information from God)! 2Peter 2:4 compare to Jude 6

This angels are the same spirits that people have been worshiping in all other nations except in Israel. After Jesus commissioned Christianity majority of them who can't find worshipers transformed themselves and established different forms of religion in Jesus name, and their priests are the Pastors you're seeing around today. undecided 2Corinthians 11:13-15
Please ask yourself "where are the magicians that we use to know back in the early 70s to late 80s?
Well they're now Pastors performing magical arts in the churches today! Revelations 16:14

So back to what you said about the Bible's contradictions!

Since the true God have shunned this evil spirits and they don't know anything about their future than destruction {Matthew 8:29} they're now confused and all they're now expecting is to hear anything about how their destruction will take place, there is nobody who will disclose that to them than humans who can't see them, that's why God never revealed everything to Jesus {Matthew 24:36} because Jesus loved humans too much {Proverbs 8:30} and for him to have seen how humans displayed strong faith in him {Luke 22:28-30} Jesus would have revealed everything good to his friends out of LOVE!

But God kept it and began revealing it bit by bit to the born again Christians, so anytime the born again Christians gather in a place, the demons comes to listen perhaps they can hear one or two things about what will happen to them through the born again Christians! 1Peter 1:12

So don't let the gibberish trinitarians are spewing up and down confuse you about God's word. The sacred secrets in the book is revealed bit by bit to the born again Christians alone! Daniel 12:8-10

It's the demons they're worshiping that's saying contradicting things to them.

All these may sound just like a mere assertion, right?

Please ask them to present just one group out of all the other religions claiming Christians that are doing the preaching and teaching work like Jehovah's Witnesses, after all if God's spirit is working in their midst there should be the fruitage of God's holy spirit in their midst! LOVE,JOY,PEACE,PATIENCE,GENTLENESS GOODNESS,FAITH,MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL!

Is it not FAITH that will motivate them to work along with their beliefs for God? James 2:18-26

Please Myer, trinitarians are only heading towards destruction. If you want to know what the Bible really teach, Jesus' true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) will come and teach you face to face, free of charge, at your leisure in the convenience and comfort of your home! Matthew 10:11-16

Thanks!

When I say the bible is full of contradictions it's not a misconception.
They are too mant to highlight but let me point out one that answers your JW quagmire.

Do you know that Paul preached a different gospel from the other Apostles?

The Christianity your JW organisation is upholding is more of the teachings of Peter and the other apostles while most pentecostals and charismatics teach Paul's gospel.

That's one of the many contradictions in the bible.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 7:58am On Apr 17, 2020
Myer:


When I say the bible is full of contradictions it's not a misconception.
They are too mant to highlight but let me point out one that answers your JW quagmire.

Do you know that Paul preached a different gospel from the other Apostles?

The Christianity your JW organisation is upholding is more of the teachings of Peter and the other apostles while most pentecostals and charismatics teach Paul's gospel.

That's one of the many contradictions in the bible
.

You may choose whatever pleases you to believe about the Bible, Peter or Paul, but it will not change the fact that the man Jesus was a young first century Jewish carpenter who later turned out to become a preacher and teacher in the midst of his people. Jesus is not two but one person, therefore all those who feel Jesus is a significant historical figure worth emulating should have the same line of thought regarding godly devotion, sacred service and principles no matter where they may come from!

For your information, he commissioned the preaching and teaching work with one vision in mind "to unite all honest hearted and sincere peace lovers as a global family" John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

So Jesus set the pattern of teaching all by himself but as we JWs continue to say none of all the churches of Christendom knew anything worthwhile about Jesus' ministry that's why they failed woefully to meet up his requirements. They may continue to deceive themselves with cheap magical acts or tricks claiming they're performing miracles but they can never produce the FRUITAGE of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

The 12 Apostles were chosen to teach any member of their Jewish community who decides to become a Christian, help monitor the activities of Christians and decide on Organizational directions throughout all the earth. But as for teaching of the nations (none Jews like you and i) Jesus specifically appointed Paul to be our own Apostle to teach us how to practice Christianity since we were not part of the first covenant God made with the Israelites through Moses! Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7

Do you believe that all the scriptures is inspired of God's holy spirit? 2Timothy 3:16
Perhaps if you do you won't be saying God's word is contradicting itself because it means the holy spirit is useless!
But i'm telling you now that those wolves in sheep's skin claiming 'Pastors' will also quote portions of Paul's letters, twisting the scriptures according to their thinking, please they are NOT Christians! 2Peter 3:15-16

The holy spirit never permitted any of the Apostles to write a single letter to the Gentiles to teach them anything, except the one and only Apostle chosen directly by Jesus himself "Paul".

So if you want to practice Christianity, of course you can borrow from the organizational arrangements and ways of monitoring the activities and progress of the congregation, but you must stick to the teachings of Apostle Paul (the one and only Apostle Jesus appointed himself to lead the Gentiles to God).

Failure to adhere STRICTLY to this order will be tantamount to rebellion, that's why Jesus said "Many will say to me in that day 'lord, we did so many mighty works in your name' but i will reply 'i never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness (iniquity')" Matthew 7:21-23

They are workers of lawlessness or iniquity because they failed to form the same line of thought in setting standards and judgment, yet hypocritically they hug one another in the public to deceive onlookers as if they're Jesus' followers whereas their own followers are not united in FAITH! smiley smiley smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:25am On Apr 17, 2020
TATIME:


You may choose whatever pleases you to believe about the Bible, Peter or Paul, but it will not change the fact that the man Jesus was a young first century Jewish carpenter who later turned out to become a preacher and teacher in the midst of his people. Jesus is not two but one person, therefore all those who feel Jesus is a significant historical figure worth emulating should have the same line of thought regarding godly devotion, sacred service and principles no matter where they may come from!

For your information, he commissioned the preaching and teaching work with one vision in mind "to unite all honest hearted and sincere peace lovers as a global family" John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

So Jesus set the pattern of teaching all by himself but as we JWs continue to say none of all the churches of Christendom knew anything worthwhile about Jesus' ministry that's why they failed woefully to meet up his requirements. They may continue to deceive themselves with cheap magical acts or tricks claiming they're performing miracles but they can never produce the FRUITAGE of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

The 12 Apostles were chosen to teach any member of their Jewish community who decides to become a Christian, help monitor the activities of Christians and decide on Organizational directions throughout all the earth. But as for teaching of the nations (none Jews like you and i) Jesus specifically appointed Paul to be our own Apostle to teach us how to practice Christianity since we were not part of the first covenant God made with the Israelites through Moses! Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7

Do you believe that all the scriptures is inspired of God's holy spirit? 2Timothy 3:16
Perhaps if you do you won't be saying God's word is contradicting itself because it means the holy spirit is useless!
But i'm telling you now that those wolves in sheep's skin claiming 'Pastors' will also quote portions of Paul's letters, twisting the scriptures according to their thinking, please they are NOT Christians! 2Peter 3:15-16

The holy spirit never permitted any of the Apostles to write a single letter to the Gentiles to teach them anything, except the one and only Apostle chosen directly by Jesus himself "Paul".

So if you want to practice Christianity, of course you can borrow from the organizational arrangements and ways of monitoring the activities and progress of the congregation, but you must stick to the teachings of Apostle Paul (the one and only Apostle Jesus appointed himself to lead the Gentiles to God).

Failure to adhere STRICTLY to this order will be tantamount to rebellion, that's why Jesus said "Many will say to me in that day 'lord, we did so many mighty works in your name' but i will reply 'i never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness (iniquity')" Matthew 7:21-23

They are workers of lawlessness or iniquity because they failed to form the same line of thought in setting standards and judgment, yet hypocritically they hug one another in the public to deceive onlookers as if they're Jesus' followers whereas their own followers are not united in FAITH! smiley smiley smiley

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

Come see clarity! smiley

This is why i'll forever continue to thank my God that he showed me mercy by directing you guys to my doorstep! smiley

Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you and may God continue to bless you people for me! smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 4:27pm On Apr 18, 2020
TATIME:


You may choose whatever pleases you to believe about the Bible, Peter or Paul, but it will not change the fact that the man Jesus was a young first century Jewish carpenter who later turned out to become a preacher and teacher in the midst of his people. Jesus is not two but one person, therefore all those who feel Jesus is a significant historical figure worth emulating should have the same line of thought regarding godly devotion, sacred service and principles no matter where they may come from!

For your information, he commissioned the preaching and teaching work with one vision in mind "to unite all honest hearted and sincere peace lovers as a global family" John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

So Jesus set the pattern of teaching all by himself but as we JWs continue to say none of all the churches of Christendom knew anything worthwhile about Jesus' ministry that's why they failed woefully to meet up his requirements. They may continue to deceive themselves with cheap magical acts or tricks claiming they're performing miracles but they can never produce the FRUITAGE of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

The 12 Apostles were chosen to teach any member of their Jewish community who decides to become a Christian, help monitor the activities of Christians and decide on Organizational directions throughout all the earth. But as for teaching of the nations (none Jews like you and i) Jesus specifically appointed Paul to be our own Apostle to teach us how to practice Christianity since we were not part of the first covenant God made with the Israelites through Moses! Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7

Do you believe that all the scriptures is inspired of God's holy spirit? 2Timothy 3:16
Perhaps if you do you won't be saying God's word is contradicting itself because it means the holy spirit is useless!
But i'm telling you now that those wolves in sheep's skin claiming 'Pastors' will also quote portions of Paul's letters, twisting the scriptures according to their thinking, please they are NOT Christians! 2Peter 3:15-16

The holy spirit never permitted any of the Apostles to write a single letter to the Gentiles to teach them anything, except the one and only Apostle chosen directly by Jesus himself "Paul".

So if you want to practice Christianity, of course you can borrow from the organizational arrangements and ways of monitoring the activities and progress of the congregation, but you must stick to the teachings of Apostle Paul (the one and only Apostle Jesus appointed himself to lead the Gentiles to God).

Failure to adhere STRICTLY to this order will be tantamount to rebellion, that's why Jesus said "Many will say to me in that day 'lord, we did so many mighty works in your name' but i will reply 'i never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness (iniquity')" Matthew 7:21-23

They are workers of lawlessness or iniquity because they failed to form the same line of thought in setting standards and judgment, yet hypocritically they hug one another in the public to deceive onlookers as if they're Jesus' followers whereas their own followers are not united in FAITH! smiley smiley smiley


The bible is a very interesting book open to everyone's interpretation- Eisegesis.
Hence why most denominations and even individuals argue doctrines.

Interestingly, the Exegesis in itself is full of contradictions, yet it says in the scriptures that all was inspired by the Holyspirit as men were moved right?

The same Jesus that appointed the 12 disciples also appeared and appointed Paul right?
Paul clearly pointed out that his gospel was different from Peter's Galatians 2:6-8
Yet, even Peter acknowledge that Paul's gpspel was different. 2 Peter 3:15-16

Am I right to assume like Maximus69 you're also JW? And you likewise do not consider other Christians to be Christians except your denomination.

Quick question then since the Holyspirit inspired the scriptures;
Did God intentionally create the divisions in the church?
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 4:59pm On Apr 18, 2020
Myer:


The bible is a very interesting book open to everyone's interpretation- Eisegesis.
Hence why most denominations and even individuals argue doctrines.

Interestingly, the Exegesis in itself is full of contradictions, yet it says in the scriptures that all was inspired by the Holyspirit as men were moved right?

The same Jesus that appointed the 12 disciples also appeared and appointed Paul right?
Paul clearly pointed out that his gospel was different from Peter's Galatians 2:6-8
Yet, even Peter acknowledge that Paul's gpspel was different. 2 Peter 3:15-16

Am I right to assume like Maximus69 you're also JW? And you likewise do not consider other Christians to be Christians except your denomination.

Quick question then since the Holyspirit inspired the scriptures;
Did God intentionally create the divisions in the church?

Tatime is surely a JW, and he believes that only Jehovah's Witnesses are the true Christians!

Peter's gospel doesn't differ from Paul's in anyway, he explained that the 12 Apostles are for the Jews only while Paul's assignment is to connect the people of other nations (gentiles).

That's why Paul could say Christians have no business with the Mosaic laws since they have direct access to Jesus whom the Jews knew through the Mosaic laws! Galatians 3:10-26

Paul corrected Peter publicly because Peter couldn't explain how Christ's law supercede the Mosaic laws! Galatians 2:11-14

So Jesus specifically chose Paul because Paul was well educated both in the laws and customs of the Jews as well as the traditions of surrounding nations! smiley

Tatime's write-up is clear enough for any sincere follower to grasp ! smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by phelonrays: 5:10pm On Apr 18, 2020
Maximus69:


Abeg help me ask these Churchgoer mumungus!

God created the guy first {Colossians 1:15-16} God later employed him as a mastercraftman {Proverbs 8:22,30} so everything God did was just to instruct this guy to do this or do that, whenever you see "let this be like this or that" it's God speaking to his employee and after inspection God confirmed that the worker did a good job! Genesis 1:1-30

And when God transformed this guy into a pregnancy in the womb of a virgin girl, the guy grew up in the midst of Adam's children. That's why there was nothing so difficult for the guy to amend whether blindness o, lame o, leprosy o, deaf o, dead person o even sea had to obey his voice because he was the mastercraftman God used in creating everything, so to repair it is not a problem for him!

That's why John could say this guy WAS God in the beginning, but presently he is serving as a Prince at God's right hand {Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1} preparing to overthrow all the worldly rulers {Daniel 2:44} and reign for a thousand years {Revelation 20:1-6} until he hand over everything back to his God hereinFather! 1Corinthians 15:27-28 smiley

wow......
Love you explanation..

Seems your the only guy on the post with valid and consumable ( borrowedable) knowledge here smileysmileysmiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 5:14pm On Apr 18, 2020
phelonrays:
wow......
Love you explanation..

Seems your the only guy on the post with valid and consumable ( borrowedable) knowledge here smileysmileysmiley

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Jehovah's Witnesses are everywhere, they taught me all these! smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 5:31pm On Apr 18, 2020
Maximus69:


Tatime is surely a JW, and he believes that only Jehovah's Witnesses are the true Christians!

Peter's gospel doesn't differ from Paul's in anyway, he explained that the 12 Apostles are for the Jews only while Paul's assignment is to connect the people of other nations (gentiles).

That's why Paul could say Christians have no business with the Mosaic laws since they have direct access to Jesus whom the Jews knew through the Mosaic laws! Galatians 3:10-26

Paul corrected Peter publicly because Peter couldn't explain how Christ's law supercede the Mosaic laws! Galatians 2:11-14

So Jesus specifically chose Paul because Paul was well educated both in the laws and customs of the Jews as well as the traditions of surrounding nations! smiley

Tatime's write-up is clear enough for any sincere follower to grasp ! smiley

Exactly.
Here in lies the contradiction.
While Peter and the rest of the Apostles preach the same gospel Paul on the contrary preaches a contradictory gospel.

While Paul preaches Faith only not justified by works. Galatians 3
Others preach Faith justified by works. James 2:14-26

Should i continue?
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 5:36pm On Apr 18, 2020
Maximus69:


Tatime is surely a JW, and he believes that only Jehovah's Witnesses are the true Christians!

Peter's gospel doesn't differ from Paul's in anyway, he explained that the 12 Apostles are for the Jews only while Paul's assignment is to connect the people of other nations (gentiles).

That's why Paul could say Christians have no business with the Mosaic laws since they have direct access to Jesus whom the Jews knew through the Mosaic laws! Galatians 3:10-26

Paul corrected Peter publicly because Peter couldn't explain how Christ's law supercede the Mosaic laws! Galatians 2:11-14

So Jesus specifically chose Paul because Paul was well educated both in the laws and customs of the Jews as well as the traditions of surrounding nations! smiley

Tatime's write-up is clear enough for any sincere follower to grasp ! smiley

I just noticed that you managed to avoid answering my question.
Did God intentionally create the divisions in the church, i mean the plenty denominations?
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 6:12pm On Apr 18, 2020
Myer:


I just noticed that you managed to avoid answering my question.
Did God intentionally create the divisions in the church, i mean the plenty denominations?

God is not for confusion! 1Corinthians 14:33

Jesus foretold that Satan will sow weeds amongst his followers {Matthew 13:24-30;36-40} that's how Apostates emerged amongst the Christians in the first century.

They overshadowed the true Christians and formed the Roman Catholic Church, so all these religions claiming Christians protested out of the Catholic Church that's why all of them agreed on denomination idea.

But the true Christians have been separated today fulfilling Jesus' illustration. Matthew 25:31-46

The end is here already and you people are seeing your destruction fast approaching without noticing it, where are all the Pastors deceiving you with magical arts when Jehovah's Witnesses were telling you the truth that there is no miracles today?

For your information, Covid19 marks 100 years of Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching from house to house since 1919~2019!

So keep waiting for your Yahoo plus big boys called Pastors to come back and start scamming you allover again, they're blind guides and they can never know the reason of this pandemic, neither can they deceive anyone now with their staged show you're calling miracles! smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 7:13pm On Apr 18, 2020
Maximus69:


God is not for confusion! 1Corinthians 14:33

Jesus foretold that Satan will sow weeds amongst his followers {Matthew 13:24-30;36-40} that's how Apostates emerged amongst the Christians in the first century.

They overshadowed the true Christians and formed the Roman Catholic Church, so all these religions claiming Christians protested out of the Catholic Church that's why all of them agreed on denomination idea.

But the true Christians have been separated today fulfilling Jesus' illustration. Matthew 25:31-46

The end is here already and you people are seeing your destruction fast approaching without noticing it, where are all the Pastors deceiving you with magical arts when Jehovah's Witnesses were telling you the truth that there is no miracles today?

For your information, Covid19 marks 100 years of Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching from house to house since 1919~2019!

So keep waiting for your Yahoo plus big boys called Pastors to come back and start scamming you allover again, they're blind guides and they can never know the reason of this pandemic, neither can they deceive anyone now with their staged show you're calling miracles! smiley

I don't think you got my question.
God through Jesus appointed Peter and Paul as apostles to 2 differnt audience with two different gospels.
This is what consequently has created multiple denominations in the church. This is not about false prophets but true followers of either Peter or Paul and invariably followers of Christ.

I tried to ignore how you managed to turn Covid-19 pandemic/plague to your church anniversary. That's not a good testimony by the way. Your mission is to establish God's kingdom and peace on earth and not plagues. Just saying.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:30pm On Apr 18, 2020
Myer:

I don't think you got my question.
God through Jesus appointed Peter and Paul as apostles to 2 differnt audience with two different gospels.
This is what consequently has created multiple denominations in the church. This is not about false prophets but true followers of either Peter or Paul and invariably followers of Christ.

I tried to ignore how you managed to turn Covid-19 pandemic/plague to your church anniversary. That's not a good testimony by the way. Your mission is to establish God's kingdom and peace on earth and not plagues. Just saying.

You want to justify your falsehood anyway by speaking against God! embarassed

There is no division in Christianity, Peter and Paul were both students of the same teacher (Jesus), i keep quoting the scriptures to help you see that both Peter and Paul preached and taught the same thing but you just want to blame God on what your false Pastors taught you.

There is no quotation to back up your blasphemy, so i'll leave you with your delusion!

As for the Kingdom of God i know your blind Pastors deceiving you don't know anything.

Listen and learn, Jesus foretold that it's with great anguish that we will enter into the Kingdom of God! Matthew 24:11-14; Act 14:22

So Jehovah's Witnesses are fully prepared for God's Kingdom, this is the time to lift up our heads and look forward to our coming deliverance! Luke 21:28 smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 10:22pm On Apr 18, 2020
Myer:


Exactly.
Here in lies the contradiction.
While Peter and the rest of the Apostles preach the same gospel Paul on the contrary preaches a contradictory gospel.

While Paul preaches Faith only not justified by works. Galatians 3
Others preach Faith justified by works. James 2:14-26


Should i continue?

@ Galatians 3 Apostle Paul explained how ancient faithful men focused on FAITH without any laws guiding them to please God, but instead they fully trusted God that he will not ask them to do what will not benefit them!

Abraham WORKED by faith and not by sight {2Corinthians 5:7} that is why he was prepared to kill Isaac believing that God (promised him a son through Sarah and fulfilled it when all hopes were lost) has the power to raise Isaac from the dead! Hebrew 11 17-19; James 2:21-23

Please it's you that's getting it all wrong, James and Paul were saying the same thing, both of them are saying we can't please God without Faith {Hebrew 11:6} yet the only way to prove our faith is through acting in line (demonstrating) how much we believe (trust) in God! Hebrew 11:1 smiley smiley smiley

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Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 5:59am On Apr 19, 2020
TATIME:


@ Galatians 3 Apostle Paul explained how ancient faithful men focused on FAITH without any laws guiding them to please God, but instead they fully trusted God that he will not ask them to do what will not benefit them!

Abraham WORKED by faith and not by sight {2Corinthians 5:7} that is why he was prepared to kill Isaac believing that God (promised him a son through Sarah and fulfilled it when all hopes were lost) has the power to raise Isaac from the dead! Hebrew 11 17-19; James 2:21-23

Please it's you that's getting it all wrong, James and Paul were saying the same thing, both of them are saying we can't please God without Faith {Hebrew 11:6} yet the only way to prove our faith is through acting in line (demonstrating) how much we believe (trust) in God! Hebrew 11:1 smiley smiley smiley

That you even argue this obvious fact of the bible shows you've never studied the bible.
Clearly Paul's message on Grace is centrred on Faith not being justified by works while the others prreached Faith justified by works.
You're supposed to be the bible scholar and uou don't know this?
Either that or you're in denial, you don't want to accept the contradictions in the bible.

Now let's not forget why I brought this up, the qiestion is God sent Peter and Paul as apostles with different gospels to different targets (Jews and Gentiles respectively) but JW members always claim to be the only true Christians, Did God not create the divisions/denominations on purpose?
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 6:16am On Apr 19, 2020
Maximus69:


You want to justify your falsehood anyway by speaking against God! embarassed

There is no division in Christianity, Peter and Paul were both students of the same teacher (Jesus), i keep quoting the scriptures to help you see that both Peter and Paul preached and taught the same thing but you just want to blame God on what your false Pastors taught you.

There is no quotation to back up your blasphemy, so i'll leave you with your delusion!

As for the Kingdom of God i know your blind Pastors deceiving you don't know anything.

Listen and learn, Jesus foretold that it's with great anguish that we will enter into the Kingdom of God! Matthew 24:11-14; Act 14:22

So Jehovah's Witnesses are fully prepared for God's Kingdom, this is the time to lift up our heads and look forward to our coming deliverance! Luke 21:28 smiley

There's no division in Christianity, really?
Are you not the one that has been calling other Chistians fake and JW are the only true Christians?
What woul you call that?

I visited various church denomiations rying to find the unity of faith that the bible preached, what i found only proved the only thing uniting Christians is that they preach the name of Jesus.
Everything else is different. They even make fun of other denominations in their fellowships. Latter day saints just like JW even have their own slightly different bibles.
You probably never even stepped inside any othrr denomination, yet you cal them fake. The indoctrination is heavy. Because just like you they also believe they are the true Christians and you are fake.

You can't keep up this obvious lies. It's one thing to misinterprete the bible out of ignorance or false indoctrination, but to deny that there's divisions and factions in Christianity is a new low even for you.

And your last paragraph, I don't remember Jesus saying plagues as a condition to enter the kingdom of heaven sir? How do you even celebrate coronavirus as a lanmark of your church's anniversary?
You are doing a great disservice to your organisation.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:15am On Apr 19, 2020
Myer:


There's no division in Christianity, really?
Are you not the one that has been calling other Chistians fake and JW are the only true Christians?
What woul you call that?

I visited various church denomiations rying to find the unity of faith that the bible preached, what i found only proved the only thing uniting Christians is that they preach the name of Jesus.
Everything else is different. They even make fun of other denominations in their fellowships. Latter day saints just like JW even have their own slightly different bibles.
You probably never even stepped inside any othrr denomination, yet you cal them fake. The indoctrination is heavy. Because just like you they also believe they are the true Christians and you are fake.

You can't keep up this obvious lies. It's one thing to misinterprete the bible out of ignorance or false indoctrination, but to deny that there's divisions and factions in Christianity is a new low even for you.

And your last paragraph, I don't remember Jesus saying plagues as a condition to enter the kingdom of heaven sir? How do you even celebrate coronavirus as a lanmark of your church's anniversary?
You are doing a great disservice to your organisation.

You're just trying to justify lawlessness! smiley

Jesus prayed to his father for his followers to be united as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

The same Jesus foretold that many will claim Christians simply because they're performing miracles (in his name) yet he will deny knowing them, adding "they are workers of lawlessness (iniquity)" Matthew 7:21-23

Are you now saying God didn't grant the heartfelt request of his only begotten son which was asked according to God's own will? 1John 5:14; Ephesians 1:9

If Jesus himself said lawless people will claim Christians, do you expect his followers who are orderly to agree with lawlessness?

My friend, it is clear that all the churches of Christendom are practicing their pagan religion in lawlessness.

That's why you'll notice that despite the contradictions in their midst,
~They do pray together in public
~Celebrate pagan festivities together
~Same songs in praising their God.
~Into Politics and Racism
~Hail material things as God's blessings

All these are the reasons why you people often frown when someone you met (no matter how honest hearted and trustworthy he may be) says "i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" because our FAITH totally differs from yours! John 17:14-16

For your information that's what the great chasm between Lazarus and the rich man in Jesus' illustration means {Luke 16:26} instead of true worshipers of God to have anything in common wit you people, the difference becomes clearer and clearer.
But as for you workers of lawlessness, you will not be able to unite in doing anything worthwhile!

And as for Covid19, i only point to it as a sign of the "last minute". Jesus' last breath on the torture stake brought trouble to Israel because they shed the blood of an innocent man {Deuteronomy 27:25} yet his death is the only way out of eternal damnation, so while his followers were in grief over his death that faithful day, little did they know that it's the only way for them to receive God's holy spirit and become born again sons of God!

So God's kingdom blessings will surely come but not without pangs of distress! Luke 21:25-28; Act 14:22 smiley
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 8:19am On Apr 19, 2020
thankgod460:


You still don't get my point.

It will looks somehow to the people of the world if the apostles portrait Jesus as God, as you too was wandering and arguing . Because many people of the world then believed Joseph was his biological father. That is why they were trying to preach and present him as son of God, even during his baptism, God presented him to be his beloved son. That is because it was a Voice from heaven, so people will see it as mystery and believe.
When Jesus was asking his disciples who people are calling him, Apostle Peter was able to recognized him as the Christ via the help of holy spirit. Jesus instructed them that they should not tell anyone that he was Jesus the Christ. (Matt. 16:18). Can you tell me why?
Jesus presented himself has the son of man during his earthly ministry. Can you tell me why?


You guys can argue blindly sha, Jesus saying he is The Only Begotten Son of God is Jesus calling himself God. Can a human being give birth to a goat....No!!!!......can an angel beget a human.....No!.....same way God can only beget God. Period!



Sorry this is for the other guy
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 8:20am On Apr 19, 2020
phelonrays:
wow......
Love you explanation..

Seems your the only guy on the post with valid and consumable ( borrowedable) knowledge here smileysmileysmiley

There is no where in the Bible that says Christ was created. There are several parts of scripture that implies he wasnt

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Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 8:26am On Apr 19, 2020
Maximus69:


You're just trying to justify lawlessness! smiley

Jesus prayed to his father for his followers to be united as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

The same Jesus foretold that many will claim Christians simply because they're performing miracles (in his name) yet he will deny knowing them, adding "they are workers of lawlessness (iniquity)" Matthew 7:21-23

Are you now saying God didn't grant the heartfelt request of his only begotten son which was asked according to God's own will? 1John 5:14; Ephesians 1:9

If Jesus himself said lawless people will claim Christians, do you expect his followers who are orderly to agree with lawlessness?

My friend, it is clear that all the churches of Christendom are practicing their pagan religion in lawlessness.

That's why you'll notice that despite the contradictions in their midst,
~They do pray together in public
~Celebrate pagan festivities together
~Same songs in praising their God.
~Into Politics and Racism
~Hail material things as God's blessings

All these are the reasons why you people often frown when someone you met (no matter how honest hearted and trustworthy he may be) says "i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" because our FAITH totally differs from yours! John 17:14-16

For your information that's what the great chasm between Lazarus and the rich man in Jesus' illustration means {Luke 16:26} instead of true worshipers of God to have anything in common wit you people, the difference becomes clearer and clearer.
But as for you workers of lawlessness, you will not be able to unite in doing anything worthwhile!

And as for Covid19, i only point to it as a sign of the "last minute". Jesus' last breath on the torture stake brought trouble to Israel because they shed the blood of an innocent man {Deuteronomy 27:25} yet his death is the only way out of eternal damnation, so while his followers were in grief over his death that faithful day, little did they know that it's the only way for them to receive God's holy spirit and become born again sons of God!

So God's kingdom blessings will surely come but not without pangs of distress! Luke 21:25-28; Act 14:22 smiley




You have not provided one scripture that shows that Jesus is not God.....can u show me just 1, Nd I'll show u numerous scriptures that proves he is
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 8:27am On Apr 19, 2020
Maximum69, I challenge you to come and prove Ur heresy. And watch me disgrace u.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:35am On Apr 19, 2020
Maximus69:


You're just trying to justify lawlessness! smiley

Jesus prayed to his father for his followers to be united as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

The same Jesus foretold that many will claim Christians simply because they're performing miracles (in his name) yet he will deny knowing them, adding "they are workers of lawlessness (iniquity)" Matthew 7:21-23

Are you now saying God didn't grant the heartfelt request of his only begotten son which was asked according to God's own will? 1John 5:14; Ephesians 1:9

If Jesus himself said lawless people will claim Christians, do you expect his followers who are orderly to agree with lawlessness?

My friend, it is clear that all the churches of Christendom are practicing their pagan religion in lawlessness.

That's why you'll notice that despite the contradictions in their midst,
~They do pray together in public
~Celebrate pagan festivities together
~Same songs in praising their God.
~Into Politics and Racism
~Hail material things as God's blessings

All these are the reasons why you people often frown when someone you met (no matter how honest hearted and trustworthy he may be) says "i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" because our FAITH totally differs from yours! John 17:14-16

For your information that's what the great chasm between Lazarus and the rich man in Jesus' illustration means {Luke 16:26} instead of true worshipers of God to have anything in common wit you people, the difference becomes clearer and clearer.
But as for you workers of lawlessness, you will not be able to unite in doing anything worthwhile!

And as for Covid19, i only point to it as a sign of the "last minute". Jesus' last breath on the torture stake brought trouble to Israel because they shed the blood of an innocent man {Deuteronomy 27:25} yet his death is the only way out of eternal damnation, so while his followers were in grief over his death that faithful day, little did they know that it's the only way for them to receive God's holy spirit and become born again sons of God!

So God's kingdom blessings will surely come but not without pangs of distress! Luke 21:25-28; Act 14:22 smiley

Are you still wasting your time with Myer?

If someone says 'God's word contradicts itself', please what spirit is in such a person?

People like Myer are agents of darkness and they which everyone walks about in the dark. John 3:19 So even if you're trying to bring a lampstand to help everyone see clearly, people like Myer will continue to tell you their is no need for light!

Myer's likeness for Jesus is that of people who loves hailing but aren't interested in keeping to principles! Matthew 15:8-9
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:51am On Apr 19, 2020
freshboi88:
Maximum69, I challenge you to come and prove Ur HERESY. And watch me disgrace u.

Heresy simply means what is not true but is being portrayed as the TRUTH.
Jesus have settled the case when he said

"by their fruit you will recognize them" Matthew 7:15-20

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying Jesus is the son of God {Matthew 16:16} and he has his own mindset which totally differs from that of his father {Matthew 26:39} there are things only the father knows that the son doesn't {Mark 13:32}

So if you want to prove otherwise there's no reason to continue arguing blindly, the result is here now.

Unlike the time when Jesus and his followers had to continue entertaining arguments with critics, true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) have been separated from false religionists claiming Christians, and the fruitage of God's holy spirit can be seen in the midst of God's people.

KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information, of course anyone reading the Bible will acquire knowledge through the pages!

But

WISDOM is the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefits, lailai trinitarians can't have this because it's a gift of God's holy spirit! Proverbs 2:7

So try to list the achievement of Trinity doctrine and let's compare with the achievements of God's people today! cheesy James 2:18-26
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 9:10am On Apr 19, 2020
Maximus69:


You're just trying to justify lawlessness! smiley

Jesus prayed to his father for his followers to be united as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

The same Jesus foretold that many will claim Christians simply because they're performing miracles (in his name) yet he will deny knowing them, adding "they are workers of lawlessness (iniquity)" Matthew 7:21-23

Are you now saying God didn't grant the heartfelt request of his only begotten son which was asked according to God's own will? 1John 5:14; Ephesians 1:9

If Jesus himself said lawless people will claim Christians, do you expect his followers who are orderly to agree with lawlessness?

My friend, it is clear that all the churches of Christendom are practicing their pagan religion in lawlessness.

That's why you'll notice that despite the contradictions in their midst,
~They do pray together in public
~Celebrate pagan festivities together
~Same songs in praising their God.
~Into Politics and Racism
~Hail material things as God's blessings

All these are the reasons why you people often frown when someone you met (no matter how honest hearted and trustworthy he may be) says "i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" because our FAITH totally differs from yours! John 17:14-16

For your information that's what the great chasm between Lazarus and the rich man in Jesus' illustration means {Luke 16:26} instead of true worshipers of God to have anything in common wit you people, the difference becomes clearer and clearer.
But as for you workers of lawlessness, you will not be able to unite in doing anything worthwhile!

And as for Covid19, i only point to it as a sign of the "last minute". Jesus' last breath on the torture stake brought trouble to Israel because they shed the blood of an innocent man {Deuteronomy 27:25} yet his death is the only way out of eternal damnation, so while his followers were in grief over his death that faithful day, little did they know that it's the only way for them to receive God's holy spirit and become born again sons of God!

So God's kingdom blessings will surely come but not without pangs of distress! Luke 21:25-28; Act 14:22 smiley

Do you have any idea how many plagues have ravaged the world even since after the death of Christ? And how many times prophets of doom such as yours have called it the signs of the end times?
Do you know that even the early disciples thought their time was the end time?
You guys in jW believe that the first rapture already happened and this is a new earth, as God is stil waiting for 144,000 faithfuls right?
I guess the true Christians of JW are not not so true after all or maybe they're just not yet up to 144,000 but who's counting?

You need to calm down on your rapture and doom's day gospel. Stop spreading fear when you were commanded to spread faith.
The rapture charade ended a long time ago which is why even the british that downloaded the virus to us have abandoned it.

Religion is really a charade when you pay attention to the details.
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 9:12am On Apr 19, 2020
TATIME:


Are you still wasting your time with Myer?

If someone says 'God's word contradicts itself', please what spirit is in such a person?

People like Myer are agents of darkness and they which everyone walks about in the dark. John 3:19 So even if you're trying to bring a lampstand to help everyone see clearly, people like Myer will continue to tell you their is no need for light!

Myer's likeness for Jesus is that of people who loves hailing but aren't interested in keeping to principles! Matthew 15:8-9

Apparently anyone who disagrees with you is an agent of darkness and you are the light right?
The truth is bitter.
Study and see the many contradictions.

By the way, you can believe that the bible is God's word but don't believe muslims when they say the quran contains God's word too right?
Yet the quran's account is more accurate than the bible because it contains less contradictions.

Anyway, all this the power of religion. It's blindening.

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