Maximus69:


According to Jesus the only living creatures in the sight of God are those doing his will apart from these ones every living thing now are DEAD from God's viewpoint! Luke 9:60

So try to gain God's approval through the faith in his only begotten son {John 11:25-26} everything you're seeing now means dust to God {Psalms 103:14} except those who keeps doing his will because these are the ones he will remember! Job 14:13-15

This is not the real life! 1Timothy 6:19

God bless you!

What the heck? so you are suggesting that to God all sinners are dead, and hence not worth Anything he claims to offer them even as they live? Are you serious?

This is not the real life yet Jesus came into this same not-real-life to save those who are living it in sin Dude, what the heck are you on?

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89287179][/quote] Okay fine, I'm not asking if he's responsible for their death, I'm just asking if God didn't do that, I might have been using a different version of the Bible. E.g 2 Sam 6 -8
When they came to the threshing floor of Nakon,
Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God,
because the oxen stumbled. The LORD’s anger
burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act;
therefore God struck him down, and he died there
beside the ark of God.
Then David was angry because the LORD’s wrath
had broken out against Uzzah, and to this day that
place is called Perez Uzzah.
I used NIV, don't know if that's acceptable or a wrong version I'll change it if the case may be.

Kobojunkie:
Yes

Good and simple

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89287039][/quote] Please what's your Exodus 7:3-4 and Exodus 9 vs 12 like on your Bible, please share 'cause my version could be different. God bless

Kobojunkie:

What does it say He sent down from the skies to destroy the play? Chocolate pudding?

Almost thought it was rain, I really need to use the version of your Bible. Do share please.

Stephenmoka4:
The kill there is a different concept from death, I am referencing kill to murder and not death. As killing results in death but even without killing death can still occur so that's not the context of what I implied.
This is simple and please respond with a yes or no. I know you will find it difficult to answer or not answer at all.
Did David kill Uriah the Hittite.
Did God send snakes to kill the people in Numbers 21
Did God killed Uzzah in 2 Sam 6
please reply simple yes or no, you can send long epistle later if requested.
God bless

Yes
Yes
Yes

Kobojunkie:
Yes Yes Yes

Thanks

Kobojunkie:


What the heck? so you are suggesting that to God all sinners are dead, and hence not worth Anything he claims to offer them even as they live? Are you serious?

This is not the real life yet Jesus came into this same not-real-life to save those who are living it in sin Dude, what the heck are you on?

It's a simple question that requires a simple answer, so it's not compulsory that i respond the same as you do, do i?

Well that's why there are different religions claiming Christians because not all of us think the same way hence opinions differs.

Just ask your questions and allow for response. Then you can understand what others or how others view matters!

Jesus came to save SINNERS because SIN made us all walking corpses! Romans 5:12

If Jesus' sacrifice has been applied in our case we will live forever {John 3:16} that is the real life not this one that we are growing old, getting sick and dying.

My guy, God didn't plan for Adam and Eve to live for a short time, they were made to last forever on this planet as youths!

That's why all their generation lasted much longer than our own! Genesis 5:5

Thanks!

Stephenmoka4:
If there is no law, there is no sin. Therefore anything done cannot be charged. If they practiced sodomy and there is no law, does that mean they are not sinning. If they are not, I'm not sure if it's good to destroy them when they did nothing wrong.
I don't see why the man gathering sticks can be forgiven, instead God ordered him killed. Even when the people complained God burned them, some complained cuz of no food and water and there comes the snakes, I don't want to talk about why God hardened Pharaoh's heart that led to his death (maybe forgiveness is different at that time) there are lots of them the list is up there but, they will definitely Dodge it. I know all this can be justified but, God can take life that's the truth

what makes you think these stories are historical or literal?..God is not a man or human being you know..
they are spiritual stories meant to teach you spiritual truth...you are expected to read the story and learn the messages in them...

by the way, where did you get the impression that death is evil?...it is just a point in life...just like the day you graduate or get married..it is the beginning of another kind of life and experience.

death is like a night between two days
and life is like a day between two nights..

Maximus69:

It's a simple question that requires a simple answer, so it's not compulsory that i respond the same as you do, do i?
Well that's why there are different religions claiming Christians because not all of us think the same way hence opinions differs.
Just ask your questions and allow for response. Then you can understand what others or how others view matters!

Lying ON BEHALF OF GOD is not an honest response at all. What you said had no bearing on what was written in plain ENGLISH by the way.

Maximus69:

Jesus came to save SINNERS because SIN made us all walking corpses! Romans 5:12

Yes. so you mean corpses with hope? Do dead people have hope?

Maximus69:

If Jesus' sacrifice has been applied in our case we will live forever {John 3:16} that is the real life not this one that we are growing old, getting sick and dying.

So the life we live even now in the flesh is not life at all?

Maximus69:

My guy, God didn't plan for Adam and Eve to live for a short time, they were made to last forever on this planet as youths!
That's why all their generation lasted much longer than our own! Genesis 5:5
Thanks

God may not have planned it but God knew it would in fact happen and He created a back up plan even before He made man.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89288162] Please what's your Exodus 7:3-4 and Exodus 9 vs 12 like on your Bible, please share 'cause my version could be different. God bless


Now, I want you to be attentive and go with the flow. I’ll start by asking you two simple questions.

First, who was speaking to Moses in the burning bush?

Second, who was speaking with Moses on mount Sinai when he went to receive the law?

Kobojunkie:


Lying ON BEHALF OF GOD is not an honest response at all. What you said had no bearing on what was written in plain ENGLISH by the way.

Yes, corpses with hope? Do dead people have hope?
So the life we live even now in the flesh is not life at all?

God may not have planned it but God knew it would in fact happen and He created a back up plan even before He made man.

At least we understand each other better now, you're seeing matter from an angle while i'm seeing it from another angle Sir!

sonmvayina:


what makes you think these stories are historical or literal?..God is not a man or human being you know..
they are spiritual stories meant to teach you spiritual truth...you are expected to read the story and learn the messages in them...

by the way, where did you get the impression that death is evil?...it is just a point in life...just like the day you graduate or get married..it is the beginning of another kind of life and experience.

death is like a night between two days
and life is like a day between two nights..

God is not a man even a two year old know that, what you are saying is that all those things were stories, I usually think Jesus came from the linage of Judah or is it David or both.
Read properly, I didn't mention anywhere that death is evil, the death in that context is a attribute of man. Graduation and marriage are other phase of life usually run on a decision or other reasons, which means not everyone do it.
I guess that's how you spell death but, death is not the case here.

Maximus69:

At least we understand each other better now, you're seeing matter from an angle while i'm seeing it from another angle Sir!

Where truth is concerned, there is just the one angle, and that angle validates the truth. If you are suggesting there are multiple ways to interpret what is written, what you are in fact saying is that what is written is a lie. So, are you still sure you want to go with the my-angle vs your-angle copout here?

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89293388][/quote] Please do answer the earlier, I will give response to yours.
The angel of the Lord, is stated there. Did he auto spawn or a rep. of God to Moses at that point.
God spoke to him his message across an angel, so yes.
David killed Uriah, I know he didn't use his sword or go one on one with him.

Kobojunkie:


Where truth is concerned, there is just the one angle, and that angle validates the truth. If you are suggesting there are multiple ways to interpret what is written, what you are in fact saying is that what is written is a lie. So, are you still sure you want to go with the my-angle vs your-angle copout here?

@the bolded, i know you will retreat if we should intensify on that!

I strongly believe in what i said and it's obvious that you also feel the same way, i'll advise we leave the issue for now!

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89294645] Please do answer the earlier, I will give response to yours.
The angel of the Lord, is stated there. Did he auto spawn or a rep. of God to Moses at that point.
God spoke to him his message across an angel, so yes.
David killed Uriah, I know he didn't use his sword or go one on one with him.

I don’t get you brother. Which angel of the Lord are you referring to and what questions do you want me to answer ?

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89298172][/quote] I asked if you could share your version Exodus 7:3-4 and Exodus 9 vs 12 on
your Bible

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89299927] I asked if you could share your version Exodus 7:3-4 and Exodus 9 vs 12 on
your Bible

It can’t be different from your version sir . I’m sure about that.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89301267][/quote] Please share your version, you know some books use brethen other brother, some saints some holy ones. Please share thank you and God bless you

[color=#000000][quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89302309] Please share your version, you know some books use brethen other brother[/color], some saints some holy ones. Please share thank you and God bless you


Share yours with me so i can compare with mine.

madegreatbygrace:
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That's what I asked you. Check the previous post, I asked first; it's quite polite if you reciprocate that.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89299927] I asked if you could share your version Exodus 7:3-4 and Exodus 9 vs 12 on
your Bible



You have your wish


“And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭7:3-4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭9:12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Let me give you a bonus track;

“But Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also; neither would he let the people go.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭8:32‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

And then this;

“Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89304989][/quote]I didn't asked for bonus track, anyways that part was stating temptation, it's written there.
Back to the earlier. Please who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12, was it Isaiah or Jeremiah or who according to the version of your Bible. Please read the verse properly. Thanks and God bless.

GOD. IN THE DELUGE.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89313782]I didn't asked for bonus track, anyways that part was stating temptation, it's written there.
Back to the earlier. Please who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12, was it Isaiah or Jeremiah or who according to the version of your Bible. Please read the verse properly. Thanks and God bless.

Now according to Exodus 8:32 who hardened Pharaoh’s heart ? Don’t try to play smart with me . It is plain stupidity not to read the Bible together.

What’s more, let’s assume that James 1:13 is talking about temptation, you should know that every sin a man commits starts with temptation. So, if God actually hardened Pharaoh’s, He must have started with temptation. So this verse says God doesn’t tempt anyone and by implication, He won’t make any man to sin.


“But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”
‭‭~James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭NKJV

It is clearly stated above that man alone is responsible for sin as a conduct.

kingxsamz:

Who caused bears to kill 42 children?

BEARS.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89314081][/quote]A straight forward answer = Pharaoh. Pharaoh also hardened his heart in Exodus 8.

Now, who also hardened his heart @ previous, I have answered your part. Both played a role in Exodus leading to his death.
Awaiting your straight answer, who please @ 9 vs 12

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89314225]A straight forward answer = Pharaoh. Pharaoh also hardened his heart in Exodus 8.

Now, who also hardened his heart @ previous, I have answered your part. Both played a role in Exodus leading to his death.
Awaiting your straight answer, who please @ 9 vs 12



I’ve modified the earlier post, so maybe you need to read it again.

Now to my questions, in the book of Exodus, who was Moses talking to in the burning bush and on mount Sinai when he went to receive the law.

I’d be glad if you can add the appropriate scriptures. Thanks sir

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89314776][/quote]The angel of the Lord, it's written there and I've answered that.

I will give more details if required.
As for the Pharaoh's part, temptation was not the reason, he had been keeping them slaves for a long time till Moses showed up and God sent an angel to kill his son and other first born son, you can't tell me it's the power of man that made it possible for the Nile to turn bloody red, or a man that slay all this first-born sons, you know who was behind the 10 plagues but, that's not the case now.
God hardened his heart, it's written there.
Please who@ Exodus 9 vs 12

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89314225]A straight forward answer = Pharaoh. Pharaoh also hardened his heart in Exodus 8.

Now, who also hardened his heart @ previous, I have answered your part. Both played a role in Exodus leading to his death.
Awaiting your straight answer, who please @ 9 vs 12

An intelligent reader of the Bible should know that both man and God can’t be responsible for temptation and sin. It is either one or the other. My friend, everything you read in the Bible, or should i say in the Old Testament, should be filtered through what God says about Himself through Christ and the epistles.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89315043][/quote] I'm not talking about temptation please.