[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89315030]The angel of the Lord, it's written there and I've answered that.

I will give more details if required.
As for the Pharaoh's part, temptation was not the reason, he had been keeping them slaves for a long time till Moses showed up and God sent an angel to kill his son and other first born son, you can't tell me it's the power of man that made it possible for the Nile to turn bloody red, or a man that slay all this first-born sons, you know who was behind the 10 plagues but, that's not the case now.
God hardened his heart, it's written there.
Please who@ Exodus 9 vs 12



Pls post the verses in the book of Exodus where it says the angel of the Lord.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89315128][/quote]I have answered yours please answer mine @ Exodus 9 vs 12 (who hardened Pharaoh's heart there)

Read Exodus 3 1-4
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his
father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock
to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb,
the mountain of God. There the angel of the LORD
appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not
burn up. So Moses thought, “I will go over and see
this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look,
God called to him from within the bush, “Moses!
Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89315097] I'm not talking about temptation please.


So how did the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart start?

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89315276]I have answered yours please answer mine @ Exodus 9 vs 12 (who hardened Pharaoh's heart there)

Read Exodus 3 1-4
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his
father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock
to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb,
the mountain of God. There the angel of the LORD
appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not
burn up. So Moses thought, “I will go over and see
this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look,
God called to him from within the bush, “Moses!
Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”


You’ve not completely answered it, post the one on mount Sinai.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89315390][/quote] Please it would be nice to answer this
@Exodus 9 vs 12 : Who was the one that hardened Pharaoh's heart there (you can check up that verse)
I will still answer yours, Pride and envy are the main reasons for such, do you think any king will let any low class man (Moses was no where near Pharaoh in position) take away your slaves and challenge him (no sensible king will let that) [Pride], he felt almost defeated and he had to give in (let the people go) then, he can't stand be a king of defeat and why would be stripped off the people he had be ruling over, why would Moses have them in the name of his God (envy).

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89315496][/quote] Please which of the Mount Sinai event, verses please.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89315704] Please which of the Mount Sinai event, verses please.


When he went up mount Sinai to receive the commandments. Who was he speaking with or who was giving him instructions.You can actually find it in Exodus 19 and 20. But I need you to post it.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89315979][/quote] Please specify is it chapter 19 or 20, I have made my questions direct but, you haven't replied and I have replied yours.



Please who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12

From Exodus 7 vs 3-4 --> you sent this; “And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs
and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not
heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My
armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land
of Egypt by great judgments.”
Who will do all this mentioned here.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89315645] Please it would be nice to answer this
@Exodus 9 vs 12 : Who was the one that hardened Pharaoh's heart there (you can check up that verse)
I will still answer yours, Pride and envy are the main reasons for such, do you think any king will let any low class man (Moses was no where near Pharaoh in position) take away your slaves and challenge him (no sensible king will let that) [Pride], he felt almost defeated and he had to give in (let the people go) then, he can't stand be a king of defeat and why would be stripped off the people he had be ruling over, why would Moses have them in the name of his God (envy).



From what you wrote here, you can see that pride and envy are the source of Pharaoh’s temptation. So God need not harden his heart again. If there was no pride and envy in the heart of Pharaoh, his heart wouldn’t have been hardened. You just shot yourself in the foot.

Don’t worry, I’ll answer your question. The answer to your question is in what i asked you to post.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89316288][/quote]Pride and envy are different from temptation, e.g envy is a deadly sin but, temptation is not please they are never similar in anyway. Temptation is far from that. Anyways I will still answer yours
here

Exodus 19 vs 1-5
On the first day of the third month
after the Israelites left Egypt—on that
very day—they came to the Desert of
Sinai. After they set out from
Rephidim, they entered the Desert of
Sinai, and Israel camped there in the
desert in front of the mountain.
Then Moses went up to God, and the
LORD called to him from the mountain
and said, “This is what you are to say to
the descendants of Jacob and what you
are to tell the people of Israel: ‘You
yourselves have seen what I did to
Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’
wings and brought you to myself. Now
if you obey me fully and keep my
covenant, then out of all nations you will
be my treasured possession. Although
the whole earth is mine.


God spoke to him, do answer my question please.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89316288][/quote] Please just give me the answer as name(s)

Please who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12
From Exodus 7 vs 3-4 --> you sent this; “And I will harden
Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs
and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not
heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My
armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land
of Egypt by great judgments.”


Who will do all this mentioned here.

madegreatbygrace
I have answered all your questions but, you seem to neglect mine; thanks, that is not very polite. If you do not want to give an answer to my questions but, what to get answers from your questions that is no where near fair or somewhat rude.

This is the question, please I don't need epistle or story book and please answer with name(s) only
e.g Who denied Jesus --- Peter
Who is known as the lamb of God --- Jesus
.
.
.

1. Who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12



2. From Exodus 7 vs 3-4 --> your version;
“And I will harden
Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs
and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not
heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My
armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land
of Egypt by great judgments.”

? Who will do all this mentioned here.

God bless

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89316472]Pride and envy are different from temptation, e.g envy is a deadly sin but, temptation is not please they are never similar in anyway. Temptation is far from that. Anyways I will still answer yours
here

Exodus 19 vs 1-5
On the first day of the third month
after the Israelites left Egypt—on that
very day—they came to the Desert of
Sinai. After they set out from
Rephidim, they entered the Desert of
Sinai, and Israel camped there in the
desert in front of the mountain.
Then Moses went up to God, and the
LORD called to him from the mountain
and said, “This is what you are to say to
the descendants of Jacob and what you
are to tell the people of Israel: ‘You
yourselves have seen what I did to
Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’
wings and brought you to myself. Now
if you obey me fully and keep my
covenant, then out of all nations you will
be my treasured possession. Although
the whole earth is mine.


God spoke to him, do answer my question please.




I’m sure you didn’t read your post before posting it. The devil will always tempt a man using the man’s weaknesses or with what man has been exposed to. For example, the devil will find it hard to tempt me with cocaine because I’ve not done drug before. Neither sodomy because the desire is not in me. Once the devil identifies a strong desire or weakness in you, he tempts you with such by drawing you away, and this eventually leads you to committing the sin. However, he needs the man’s cooperation. This is just what happened in pharaoh’s case. God just used the whole thing to fulfill his purpose.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89316990]madegreatbygrace
I have answered all your questions but, you seem to neglect mine; thanks, that is not very polite. If you do not want to give an answer to my questions but, what to get answers from your questions that is no where near fair or somewhat rude.

This is the question, please I don't need epistle or story book and please answer with name(s) only
e.g Who denied Jesus --- Peter
Who is known as the lamb of God --- Jesus
.
.
.

1. Who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12



2. From Exodus 7 vs 3-4 --> your version;
“And I will harden
Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs
and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not
heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My
armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land
of Egypt by great judgments.”

? Who will do all this mentioned here.

God bless



Chill, I’ve told you I’d answer your question. Didn’t i post scriptures you asked me to even when i knew your intentions. You don’t need to be unnecessarily worked up.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89317013][/quote] Please let not derail it to temptation but, temptation comes; then sin in some cases may follow if one give in. However one can sin without temptation, especially in some cases of lying, presenting false weaknesses, vandalization and havok, worshipping false God, disobedience, omission etc

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89317208][/quote]Still waiting for the names, please if you don't want to. I can leave it there and that's what many will like.

Madegreatbygrace If I had answered all your questions like this "I’d answer your question" you won't really like it. I am still expecting the names.
Here again below, do quote the post

This is the question, please I don't need epistle or story
book and please answer with name(s) only
e.g Who denied Jesus --- Peter
Who is known as the lamb of God --- Jesus
.
.
.
1. Who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12
2. From Exodus 7 vs 3-4 --> your version;
“And I will harden
Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs
and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not
heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My
armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land
of Egypt by great judgments.”
? Who will do all this mentioned here.

God bless
I am expecting you to ditch it again or do the opposite of the answer type.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89316472]Pride and envy are different from temptation, e.g envy is a deadly sin but, temptation is not please they are never similar in anyway. Temptation is far from that. Anyways I will still answer yours
here

Exodus 19 vs 1-5
On the first day of the third month
after the Israelites left Egypt—on that
very day—they came to the Desert of
Sinai. After they set out from
Rephidim, they entered the Desert of
Sinai, and Israel camped there in the
desert in front of the mountain.
Then Moses went up to God, and the
LORD called to him from the mountain
and said, “This is what you are to say to
the descendants of Jacob and what you
are to tell the people of Israel: ‘You
yourselves have seen what I did to
Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’
wings and brought you to myself. Now
if you obey me fully and keep my
covenant, then out of all nations you will
be my treasured possession. Although
the whole earth is mine.


God spoke to him, do answer my question please.





I like the fact that you said God spoke to him. Now consider this scripture:


“who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it. ””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:53‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Now, from the above, from whom did Moses receive the law?

Certainly not from God. You can also consider this:

“What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So the law was appointed by angels and by the hand of a mediator( Moses). So my friend, that voice you heard on mount Sinai was not actually God’s voice, but the voice of an angel.

God will not be involved in the ministration of death.

Neither will He be involved in anything that ministers fear.

“Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off. Then they said to Moses, “You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die.” And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:18-20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He is not in thundering and earthquake, but speaks in a still small voice.

“Then He said, “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the LORD.” And behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.”
‭‭I Kings‬ ‭19:11-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


Otherwise, He would be contradicting his words here:

“There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭4:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

And God is love!

Why did I have to go through this long epistle?

That’s the only way I can answer your question.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89318689][/quote]You haven't given me the names, so what is it @ previous. Don't tell me it's here or there, just simply state them as I didn't give you a story book.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89318689][/quote]
who is your teacher?

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89316241] Please specify is it chapter 19 or 20, I have made my questions direct but, you haven't replied and I have replied yours.



Please who hardened Pharaoh's heart at Exodus 9 vs 12

From Exodus 7 vs 3-4 --> you sent this; “And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs
and My wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh will not
heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My
armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land
of Egypt by great judgments.”
Who will do all this mentioned here.



You see, my dear brother, the New Testament explains the Old Testament . The Bible is written in progressive revelations. So, until you’ve read the Bible from Genesis to revelation, you can not fully understand God’s thoughts. In fact, you have no business teaching it because you’ll be ineffective. The Bible should be read together, otherwise you’ll come to wrong conclusions and then speak presumptuously. It’s like watching a 2-hour movie filled with so much plots, twists and suspense, and suddenly after watching for thirty minutes, you then say you have a full knowledge and understanding of the movie.

Now to your question .......

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89318885]You haven't given me the names, so what is it @ previous. Don't tell me it's here or there, just simply state them as I didn't give you a story book.


Please don’t interrupt me or elseI’ll stop.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89318689][/quote]
“who have received the law by the direction of angels and
have not kept it. ””
Acts 7:53 NKJV
Now, from the above, from whom did Moses receive the
law?
DID YOU READ UP WHAT WAS COMING TO THAT, check the context of the content first.
Deuteronomy 5:6-21
‘I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. ‘You shall
have no other gods before Me. (Do you serve Angels of God, if you understand)


“What purpose then does the law serve? It was added
because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to
whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through
angels by the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 NKJV
Did you check out that God told Mary about Jesus birth will come from her, yes an angel came and said everything. But, God told her if only you understand what I meant.
Do you know David kill Uriah, I know it's not his sword but, do you know.

The rest epistle are talking about love, now comes the derailing.

Please give names to my questions, you haven't but, expecting answers from me.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89319323][/quote]I am still expecting the names cuz I asked this first, you can confirm in the old pages b4 yours came in and I still replied them.
Name please
God bless

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89319383][/quote] Let's be honest with ourselves, I didn't interrupt you with mine instead it's yours that cut mine and I didn't complained.

[quote author=ublight post=89318921]

who is your teacher?



The Holy Spirit. Why did you ask my sister?

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89319681] Let's be honest with ourselves, I didn't interrupt you with mine instead it's yours that cut mine and I didn't complained.


You didn’t ask me not to interrupt. I would have obeyed you if you have.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89319878][/quote] I'll keep that line, anyways please what are the names I have asked this simple question over 10 times, you just keep ignoring it. Read it up there again. Simple and straight forward please. Even the longest name isn't up to all this written, just hit it in next post.
I'm expecting you ditching it again, giving excuses or give the opposite of simple answer (just names) by giving epistle again.
God bless you
peace

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89319759][/quote]

i perceive Abel Damina. However, u dont carry that strength of conviction that he carries. U still need to study more.

God can kill but, it can be justified and doesn't count cause he made us all and can do whatever he wants. Simple.

[quote author=Stephenmoka4 post=89319681] Let's be honest with ourselves, I didn't interrupt you with mine instead it's yours that cut mine and I didn't complained.



To your question my dear brother, it is clear to everyone what Exodus 9 : 12 says.

“But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭9:12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

It says God hardened the heart of Pharaoh. It is clearly stated there. So then are many things written in the Bible that have been misunderstood. For example, Job and his three friends said so many wrong things about God in
the Bible. So the fact that something is written in the Bible doesn’t mean it is completely true.

It must be filtered and validated by God’s nature and character. You must know that Old Testament writers due to the darkness in them, wrote in shadows and partial truth. At this point, they were alienated from God.


“having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Moses wrote Genesis to Deuteronomy and this verse says Moses’s understanding was darkened because of the blindness of his heart . Darkness is the absence of light and this light is Christ. Since light was absent, he couldn’t completely know and understand God’s nature. This is why most of the evils in the Old Testament was attributed to God.


Back to Job and co, from chapters 1- 37, Job and his three friends were spewing lies about God. They thought they knew Him, and their arguments sounded rational. But God is not a rational being.
Until God spoke in chapter 38:


“Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge?”
‭‭Job‬ ‭38:1-2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

In other words, who is this person that has been spewing lies about me, because of the wrong knowledge he had about me. Despite what God says here, it amazes me that Christians still build their doctrines around the book of Job. God is basically saying here that most of the things said about Him was wrong.

After God revealed Himself to Job and co, then he repented because he now has a new revelation about God’s nature.


“Then Job answered the LORD and said: “I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You. You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’ Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know. Listen, please, and let me speak; You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’ “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭42:1-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Note that if God had not spoken in chapter 38 to reveal himself, job would go to his grave with the inaccurate knowledge of God.

That is what is happening to most Christians today. They read the beginning without reading the end, and therefore arrive at the wrong conclusion.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89321628][/quote]Now you have said both are God, good.