Please does anyone know where this doctrine came from because I think it has deceived many people.

The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation.

I think many people are confusing God's wrath as against Satan's wrath.

The reason for the rapture is to remove the saints from the Earth before God pours out the wrath as seen in Revelations.

However the hope Jesus gave us is that the wrath of Satan (great tribulation) would be shortened, otherwise no one would be saved.

So please can anyone help me out here, as where the rapture happens before the Antichrist Advent.

Thanks

Your fellow Christians think bill gate is the Antichrist and id2020 is the mark of the beast. They even threaten to kill the CEO of id2020.

No one think bill gates is the Antichrist. We are just asking him why he wants to digitally mark is with his vaccination chips... That's all...

Nairalandmonika:
Your fellow Christians think bill gate is the Antichrist and id2020 is the mark of the beast. They even threaten to kill the CEO of id2020.

Matthew 24

Jokerman:
No one think bill gates is the Antichrist. We are just asking him why he wants to digitally mark is with his vaccination chips... That's all...

Have you seen bill gate talk about id2020 personally b4

Nairalandmonika:

Have you seen bill gate talk about id2020 personally b4

Lol...


#ID2020
#New humanitarian
#Event 201

Just know that at the first, they would deceive you with it's just a digital ID to monitor immune systems etc..then boooom!!! You can't buy or sell or do this or that without receiving the mark..

We as Christians, follow these signs, hence the ultra carefulness... I don't know to take a mark that would make me lose God's kingdom even after being warned by the Lord Jesus Christ

Jokerman:
Please does anyone know where this doctrine came from because I think it has deceived many people.

From the Bible

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation.

It’s for the saints who missed the rapture

I think many people are confusing God's wrath as against Satan's wrath. The reason for the rapture is to remove the saints from the Earth before God pours out the wrath as seen in Revelations.

Satan wrath will thrive for major parts of the 7 year tribulation until the 144,000 are sealed from the tribes of Israel then the cup wrath of God will start To be poured on the earth without mixture

However the hope Jesus gave us is that the wrath of Satan (great tribulation) would be shortened, otherwise no one would be saved.

So please can anyone help me out here, as where the rapture happens before the Antichrist Advent.

Thanks

That’s for the Jews . You know presently as a nation they don’t believe in Jesus because of the prophecy of Isaiah which makes them blind to receive christ when he came .

John 5:43
I have come in My Father’s name and with His power, and you do not receive Me [your hearts are not open to Me, you give Me no welcome]; but if another comes in his own name and his own power and with no other authority but himself, you will receive him and give him your approval.


They will embrace the Antichrist after the rapture as the messiah , he will build. New temple . The 7 year treaty with Arabs or Palestinians will be signed . Sacrifices will resume again in the temple . But after 3/12 years he will show his true color and go into the temple and claim that he is God . That what DANIEL refers to as abomination of desolation.

Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

Matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation[/b]spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

[b]2Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God.

That action will cause the prophecy of Isaiah to expire and the eyes of the Jews will be opened . They will reject the Antichrist and they great tribulation will commenced for the remaining 3/12 year partly of the wrath of the Antichrist on the Jews and partly the wrath of God especially when the 2 witnesses begins their ministry

Revelation 12:12
. . . .Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God

petra1:


From the Bible

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation.

It’s for the saints who missed the rapture




Satan wrath will thrive for major parts of the 7 year tribulation until the 144,000 are sealed from the tribes of Israel then the cup wrath of God will start To be poured on the earth without mixture



That’s for the Jews . You know presently as a nation they don’t believe in Jesus because of the prophecy of Isaiah which makes them blind to receive christ when he came .

John 5:43
I have come in My Father’s name and with His power, and you do not receive Me [your hearts are not open to Me, you give Me no welcome]; but if another comes in his own name and his own power and with no other authority but himself, you will receive him and give him your approval.


They will embrace the Antichrist after the rapture as the messiah , he will build. New temple . The 7 year treaty with Arabs or Palestinians will be signed . Sacrifices will resume again in the temple . But after 3/12 years he will show his true color and go into the temple and claim that he is God . That what DANIEL refers to as abomination of desolation.

Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

Matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation[/b]spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

[b]2Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God.

That action will cause the prophecy of Isaiah to expire and the eyes of the Jews will be opened . They will reject the Antichrist and they great tribulation will commenced for the remaining 3/12 year partly of the wrath of the Antichrist on the Jews and partly the wrath of God especially when the 2 witnesses begins their ministry

Revelation 12:12
. . . .Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God

Thanks. Good explanation, however

1. Why would a saint miss the Rapture?? If you miss the rapture, you ain't a saint... I would call the person a careless Christian... If we take a look at the parable of the ten virgins, we would see Jesus shut the door at those who were foolish meaning there was no more second chance. (This parable talks of the Rapture)

Now if there was no second chance according to the Lord Jesus Christ, does that not mean that anyone who misses the rapture won't be able to make it?

2. Who are those whom would reign with Christ a thousand years after the binding of Satan?

Hope my questions ain't much though ??

Im ok with your other explanation

author=Jokerman

Thank Good explanation, however
1. Why would a saint miss the Rapture?? If you miss the rapture, you ain't a saint I would call the person a careless Christian.[\quote][\quote]

They may be saints . Anyone who has received christ is saint. But if they don't live to glorify him . They may be left behind .

Exactly , anyone who doesn’t show their love for christ by their involvement with Gods kingdom.

[quote] If we take a look at the parable of the ten virgins, we would see Jesus shut the door at those who were foolish meaning there was no more second chance. This parable talks of the Rapture.

There will second chance there will be several raptures during the tribulations . But they may have to pay with their blood through Torture ,beheadins and all manner of deaths . So those who miss the first flight will go with other raptures if they are able to their faith during the torture and persecution.

Now if there was no second chance according to the Lord Jesus Christ, does that not mean that anyone who misses the rapture won't be able to make it?

Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled

2. Who are those whom would reign with Christ a thousand years after the binding of Satan?

Christians , tribulation saints , redeemed Israel etc everyone who are partakers of first resurrection.

Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Jokerman:
Please does anyone know where this doctrine came from because I think it has deceived many people.

The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation.

I think many people are confusing God's wrath as against Satan's wrath.

The reason for the rapture is to remove the saints from the Earth before God pours out the wrath as seen in Revelations.

However the hope Jesus gave us is that the wrath of Satan (great tribulation) would be shortened, otherwise no one would be saved.

So please can anyone help me out here, as where the rapture happens before the Antichrist Advent.

Thanks

I think it's common in many denominations, especially the Pentecostal.

No doubt, it must have originated from prosperity/health and wealth gospel.

It's difficult for them to accept that God will allow them to pass through SUFFERINGS instead of PROSPERITY/Health and Wealth.

2 Timothy 3:12 KJV
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall SUFFER Persecution.

Matthew 13:21 KJV
Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while: for when TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION ariseth because of the word, by and by he is OFFENDED.

Matt chap. 24; Mark chap.13 and Luke chap. 13.


May Jesus Bless You.

Jokerman:
Please does anyone know where this doctrine came from because I think it has deceived many people.

The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation.

I think many people are confusing God's wrath as against Satan's wrath.

The reason for the rapture is to remove the saints from the Earth before God pours out the wrath as seen in Revelations.

However the hope Jesus gave us is that the wrath of Satan (great tribulation) would be shortened, otherwise no one would be saved.

So please can anyone help me out here, as where the rapture happens before the Antichrist Advent.

Thanks

The word RAPTURE does not appear in the Bible, but the idea partially can be deduce from the explanation of Jesus and the early Christians regarding the last days!

According to Jesus, there will be a time when he will return to take away his co~rulers from the earth to heaven. Before then there has never been anything like that, all faithful servants of God before Jesus believed they will spend their eternity on earth. Psalms 37:7-11,29; 67:6-7; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 65:21-25

So when Jesus told his followers they will be taken to heaven, they were highly confused but Jesus assured them that it is possible, he will go and prepare a place for them to stay and that he has asked his father to grant it so that his co~rulers may live with him in heaven (his own home) John 14:1-4

Of course they will die first but it's after he ousted Satan from heaven that he will come and take them to heaven as spirits not in the flesh {Luke 20:35-36} so since spirits don't have physical bodies, there is nothing like gender amongst them!

Jesus ousted Satan from heaven in 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses Organization saw this coming before that year but since Jesus hasn't come, they can't grasp the concept completely. Many people who had them back then made jest of them, some even began castigating them because they thought the world will come to an end in 1914. But that was the very year Jesus visited the earth after his Revelations to John. He took away all the born again Christians and began assisting the group (Jehovah's Witnesses), since that year the Organization have increased in knowledge and wisdom of God, they have separated themselves from all the religions claiming Christians and as Jesus foretold in his illustration, this small group has grown in number from less than 100 in 1870s to over 8.7 million today, they're well organized in their preaching and teaching work because Jesus the owner of the work is with them in spirit {Matthew 28:19-20} all other religions claiming Christians have been trying to organize themselves too to preach and teach as Jesus commanded but none has succeeded in organizing themselves in an orderly manner like this group! Luke 11:23

So since the year 1914 till now all the plagues Jesus foretold will characterize the end time has been unfolding one after the other {Matthew 24:4-14} wars, pestilences, famine, false prophets (religious preachers and teachers whose works add no value to the lifestyle of their followers) lawlessness, most people have developed hatred for anything sacred (atheists) due to the iniquities of false religious teachers, and in all of this Jehovah's Witnesses have continued to preach and teach from one place to another.

The remaining ones of the born again Christians are lesser than 10,000 globally, so the great tribulation met them on earth but just as Jesus foretold all these plagues will be caught short for their sake! Matthew 24:22

God bless you!

There are 3 schools of thoughts about the Rapture :

Pre- tribulation rapture
Mid -tribulation rapture
Post - tribulation rapture

But the correct one is the Pre tribulation rapture .

The other 2 are based on misunderstanding and mixing up the rapture with the second coming . The rapture is not the same as the second coming of christ . These are two different events with 7 years gap between each other . At the rapture christ will appear only to the saints in the sky and they will be gone to meet him in the air . He won’t come down . But at the second coming. Christ will come down and land on mount olive . He will fight the kings of the earth for Jerusalem .

So most times the two events are mixed together as same . Sometime we call both second coming .
So to all those who advocate that christian will go through the great tribulation try reconsider based on this foundation I just gave .

Jokerman:
Please does anyone know where this doctrine came from because I think it has deceived many people.

The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation.

I think many people are confusing God's wrath as against Satan's wrath.

The reason for the rapture is to remove the saints from the Earth before God pours out the wrath as seen in Revelations.

However the hope Jesus gave us is that the wrath of Satan (great tribulation) would be shortened, otherwise no one would be saved.

So please can anyone help me out here, as where the rapture happens before the Antichrist Advent.

Thanks

Hello I will strictly advise you to read the revelation of the endtime given to someone known as Ken Peter's, I hope it clarifies your disposition on whether there will be rapture or not.

https://www.nairaland.com/4089914/coming-tribulation-earth-ken-peters

Tosinex:

Hello I will strictly advise you to read the revelation of the endtime given to someone known as Ken Peter's, I hope it clarifies your disposition on whether there will be rapture or not.

https://www.nairaland.com/4089914/coming-tribulation-earth-ken-peters

Thank you... I understand perfectly now... Thanks... Let's keep praying for God grace to keep us anew everyday

Jokerman:


Thank you... I understand perfectly now... Thanks... Let's keep praying for God grace to keep us anew everyday

me i will advice you to create time for yourself, go back to your bible, read from the book of Matthew to Revelation all over again like four or five times. May be by the time you are on your fifth cycle of reading, something will hit your brain then you will discover that all these great tribulation and rapture stories are nothing to worry about, that they must have occurred at the time Jesus was crucified according to how it was prophesied in the book of Daniel

I will give you a tip.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jokerman:


Thank you... I understand perfectly now... Thanks... Let's keep praying for God grace to keep us anew everyday

Amen and Yes!

Jokerman:
■ Please does anyone know where this doctrine came from because I think it has deceived many people.
The Bible right from Daniel to Jesus to Peter, Paul and the Revelation has clearly stated that the saints (children of God) will be around, infact the great tribulation is because of the saints of God as they won't want to allow Satan rule the Earth, hence, the tribulation and the mark of Satan to show those that would be in Satan's side. No mark for you, the great tribulation. I think many people are confusing God's wrath as against Satan's wrath. The reason for the rapture is to remove the saints from the Earth before God pours out the wrath as seen in Revelations. However the hope Jesus gave us is that the wrath of Satan (great tribulation) would be shortened, otherwise no one would be saved. So please can anyone help me out here, as where the rapture happens before the Antichrist Advent. Thanks

During the great tribulation which took place in Jerusalem over 1900 years ago, the holy people were indeed there in Jerusalem for the event. It took place during the final week of the vision of seventy weeks of sevens just as God said it would.