Good job minorityopinion.
Good job bro!

Hellraiser77:
Not only is this screenshot unreliable, you have gone ahead and added a twist that east is now of a religious influence and not literal to match your narrative ....IFE never held dominance over Bini(Iduland), The Bini had Little regard for anything to the west of them, whereas they never attempted to venture east with their military, Anybody leaving Bini always ventured east cos they knew they would be safe, Bini soldiers pillaged Yorubaland all the way to Eko not once did they look east, Ogane was towards that direction and He reigned supreme

Do you mind convincing me on why we must disregard that screenshot of the conclusion of historical scholarship and trust you instead?? Thank you.

Also, the understanding that the “east” in the Portuguese account is of a religious significance in relation to Ife, rather than literal, is according to historical scholarship. I cited all the sources in that same comment. Read the comment again, but this time more slowly.

Regarding Ife’s supremacy, it is sufficient to quote from Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba”. She noted rightly that:

“During the era of Ife’s greatest historic power, the twelfth to the fifteenth centuries C.E., its influence spanned eastward to the Niger River and westward to what is today Southern Togo.”

I guess Benin Kingdom is outside of the above geographical delineation. Lol. Moreover, in 1897 Captain Roupell collected accounts from Benin Kingdom which says that Benin’s first king [Eweka (I)] is a Yoruba man from Ife. — Roupell’s Official cited in H.L. Roth, 1903, p.7.

Furthermore, a c.1300 ‘bronze’ figure of the Ooni of Ife was excavated from the palace of Benin Kingdom. See attached. The attached screenshot is from Professor Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art in Ancient Ife”.

Like I have educated you before, the Igbos and their western neighbors, the Binis did have engagements. You just have to read. Similarly, the Yoruba also engaged their Easter neighbors, the Binis. Wars are natural part of human history. You didn’t know that.

BabaRamota1980:


What evidence exist, beside hearsay, to prove an Eze NRI or Eze Aro beyond the arrival of whitemen?

We can tell you from several independent accounts - Borgu, Hausa, Fulani, Dahomey, Songhai, Bini, Europe, that Oyo had a Oba that predated Whiteman.

Can you tell us source/s that acknowledged Nri or Aro in 1850 and prior? Ibo accounts or accounts written post 1850 with back dates will not be accepted as proof.

Well, once you can prove that the whiteman visited Nri pre 1850, then I will show you a DIRECT proof of Eze Nri pre 1850.

However, I can supply you with an indirect proof of Eze Nri. According to the writings of Captain John Adams in 1823, below are two paragraphs

‘A class Igbos called Breeche, and whom many erroneously considered to be a distinct nation, masters of slave ship have always had a strong aversion to purchase because the impression made on their minds by their degraded situation was rendered more galling and permanent from the exalted rank which they occupied in their own country and which was thought to have very unfavourable influence on their ship-mate and country men in misfortune”.

“Breche” in the Heebo language signifies gentlemen or the oldest son of one, and who is not allowed to perform in his own country any manual office. He inherits, at his fathers’ death, all his slaves and had the absolute control over the wives and children whom he has left behind him. Before attaining the age of manhood his forehead is scarified and the skin brought down from the hair to the eyebrows so as to form a line of indurated skin from one temple to the other. This peculiar mark is distinctive of his rank.”

The two above paragraphs describe the Mgburu-ichi (BREECHE). They are a part of the Ikenga cult, along with the Ozo title holders, and were all spiritually headed by the Eze Nri himself, and not by any other individual.

OfoIgbo:
Did Adam Knobler visit Nri or interview Nri priests in the cause of his research? Because if he didn't, then I am sorry to say that his work is half-baked.
I am certain he must have visited Ife or Yorubas, who will help him in twisting history, but if he failed to visit Nri, then you may as well throw his work into the garbage bin.

I am one million percent, certain that he didn't visit Nri, otherwise the Nri authorities would have been aware of his work.

A lot of people will be declared quacks, by the time Nri makes a move to reclaim its heritage, Knobler included

How can you make a research of this magnitude, and even failed to identify a possible Kingdom in the east, thinking you can solve the problem by changing EAST to WEST?

OfoIgbo:

This Knobler you base your assertions on, did he ever travel to Nri to investigate things for himself, or did he just hang around Yoruba scholars who are always very willing to help him start seeing EAST as WEST

Lol. Adam Knobler simply summarized the conclusion of historical scholarship who have done all the ground work from the beginning till date.

And I did name all of those scholars whose conclusions Adam Knobler simply echoed, yet not one of them identify the Ogane as an Igbo king.

Please make sure to always read the very comments you spend time responding to. It helps a lot in making you look less dumb.

I may not further engage you or any other Igbo dreamer if you all continue to fail to mention one scholar who identified the Ogane as an Igbo king.

Hellraiser77:
What you dug up is dwarfed by established evidence of Igbo ukwu and it's seniority to anything in the west

Established evidence by who??

Of course I understand why you feel the way I’m making you feel.

MinorityOpinion:


Read my comment again Ife is older than Oyo. But Oyo is older than Nri

Your revisionism will not work. Read and weep

We present the kingships/kingdoms in a chronological order of age from 900AD to date, along with authorities who studied them:



1st Nri kingdom 900AD (date established by carbon -14) by Northcote Thomas (1913), MDW Jeffreys (1934) and Prof. M.A. OnwuejKogwu (1974 and 1981)

2nd Kanuri Kingdom: about 900AD by Abdullahi Smith (1971), Smith (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

3rd Kano kingdom 950AD by J. Hunwick (1971), R.A. Adeleye (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

4th Agbor kingship 950AD by Chief Iduwe (1985)

5th Daura Kingdom 950AD by J. Hunwick (1971), Dr. R.A. Adeleye (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

6th Ife Kingdom (Yoruba) 1045AD by Dr. R. Smith (1969) F. Willet (1960) and Johnson (1921)

7th Ijebu Ode Kingdom 1080AD by Dr. R. Smith 1969, Prof. E.A. Ayandele (1992) and Johnson (1921)

8th Old Oyo Kingdom 1145AD by Dr. R. Smith (1969) Dr. P.M Williams (1967) Johnson (1921)

9th Benin Kingdom 1140AD by Chief Egharevba (1934 and (1968) and Dr. R.E. Brandbury (1957)

10th Ubulu-Ukwu Kingship 1280AD by Mr. E.A. Ikemefuna and Obi Anene (1985)

11th Owa Kingship (Off-shoot of Nri) 1280AD by Obi Efeizomor II (1994)

12th Igala Kingdom 1450AD by Dr. J.S. Boston (1962)

13th Ogwashi-Ukwu Kingship (Offshoot of Nri) 1500AD by Mr. Ben Nwabua (1998)

14th Aro Kingdom 1650AD by Prof. Kenneth Dike and Prof. J. Ekejiuba (1990)

15th Onitsha Kingship 1750AD by R.N. Henderson (1972) Prof Ikenna Nzimiro (1972)

TAO11:
Lol. Adam Knobler simply summarized the conclusion of historical scholarship who have done all the ground work from the beginning till date.

Make sure to learn to read the very comment you spend time responding to. It helps a lot in making you look less dumb.

I may not further engage you or any other Igbo dreamer if you all continue to fail to mention one scholar who identified the Ogane as an Igbo king.

Mehh you are good! The ogane can't be Nri priest that is all I know Pls kindly read this article maybe you devote more time to it than me

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=bZD-1kObnMQC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=who%27s+ogane+in+East+of+Benin&source=bl&ots=zgdspky12X&sig=ACfU3U2mJapTScrZM0Y84LqXPlaeQsSjBw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiS7Mj27prrAhXJ6aQKHaBACEsQ6AEwEXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=who's%20ogane%20in%20East%20of%20Benin&f=false

MinorityOpinion:


Read the article I sent you, east of Benin, the gift that the messager collected from the ogane priest include Ogun (God of war of Yorubas) wand and others things related to Yorubas when the British sacked Benin Palace in 15th century. Read! Read! And stop saying nonsense historians that dedicated their lives to find that ogane kingdom couldn't pin point it.

Stop lying. They mentioned a staff, which is the Ofo and other ancient royal paraphanelia the Eze Nris will normally issue to some kings.

OfoIgbo:



Your revisionism will not work. Read and weep

We present the kingships/kingdoms in a chronological order of age from 900AD to date, along with authorities who studied them:



1st Nri kingdom 900AD (date established by carbon -14) by Northcote Thomas (1913), MDW Jeffreys (1934) and Prof. M.A. OnwuejKogwu (1974 and 1981)

2nd Kanuri Kingdom: about 900AD by Abdullahi Smith (1971), Smith (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

3rd Kano kingdom 950AD by J. Hunwick (1971), R.A. Adeleye (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

4th Agbor kingship 950AD by Chief Iduwe (1985)

5th Daura Kingdom 950AD by J. Hunwick (1971), Dr. R.A. Adeleye (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

6th Ife Kingdom (Yoruba) 1045AD by Dr. R. Smith (1969) F. Willet (1960) and Johnson (1921)

7th Ijebu Ode Kingdom 1080AD by Dr. R. Smith 1969, Prof. E.A. Ayandele (1992) and Johnson (1921)

8th Old Oyo Kingdom 1145AD by Dr. R. Smith (1969) Dr. P.M Williams (1967) Johnson (1921)

9th Benin Kingdom 1140AD by Chief Egharevba (1934 and (1968) and Dr. R.E. Brandbury (1957)

10th Ubulu-Ukwu Kingship 1280AD by Mr. E.A. Ikemefuna and Obi Anene (1985)

11th Owa Kingship (Off-shoot of Nri) 1280AD by Obi Efeizomor II (1994)

12th Igala Kingdom 1450AD by Dr. J.S. Boston (1962)

13th Ogwashi-Ukwu Kingship (Offshoot of Nri) 1500AD by Mr. Ben Nwabua (1998)

14th Aro Kingdom 1650AD by Prof. Kenneth Dike and Prof. J. Ekejiuba (1990)

15th Onitsha Kingship 1750AD by R.N. Henderson (1972) Prof Ikenna Nzimiro (1972)

Nonsense copy and paste with no reference! The researcher that carbon dated igbo arts said the readings were false so no debate

OfoIgbo:


Stop lying. They mentioned a staff, which is the Ofo and other ancient royal paraphanelia the Eze Nris will normally issue to some kings.

What are you saying? Read something my friend

TAO11:
Do you mind convincing me on why we must disregard that screenshot of the conclusion of historical scholarship and trust you instead?? Thank you.

Also, the understanding that the “east” in the Portuguese account is of a religious significance in relation to Ife, rather than literal, is according to historical scholarship. I cited all the sources in that same comment. Read the comment again, but this time more slowly.

Regarding Ife’s supremacy, it is sufficient to quote from Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba”. She noted rightly that:

“During the era of Ife’s greatest historic power, the twelfth to the fifteenth centuries C.E., its influence spanned eastward to the Niger River and westward to what is today Southern Togo.”

I guess Benin Kingdom is outside of the above geographical delineation. Lol. Moreover, in 1897 Captain Roupell collected accounts from Benin Kingdom which says that Benin’s first king [Eweka (I)] is a Yoruba man from Ife. — Roupell’s Official cited in H.L. Roth, 1903, p.7.

Furthermore, a c.1300 ‘bronze’ figure of the Ooni of Ife was excavated from the palace of Benin Kingdom. See attached. The attached screenshot is from Professor Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art in Ancient Ife”.

Like I have educated you before, the Igbos and their western neughbors, the Binis did have engagements. You just have to read. Similarly, the Yoruba also engaged their Easter neighbors, the Binis. Wars are natural. You didn’t know this.

Great job TAO11. God bless you.
I think metaphysical once threw a challenge to tease Edo witches that their oghene was from Iboland. Metaphysical was throwing the descendants of slaves in Edo between a rock and a hard place with the tease, in other words compressing them to accept one between Yoruba and yanminri for the origin of their foreign ruler. Omoibo has taken that tease to be historical fact and latched his destiny to it. Bloody cannibals want to claim oghene is Nri. Mmtchew, Baba lo ma pa yanminri!

OfoIgbo:



Your revisionism will not work. Read and weep

We present the kingships/kingdoms in a chronological order of age from 900AD to date, along with authorities who studied them:



1st Nri kingdom 900AD (date established by carbon -14) by Northcote Thomas (1913), MDW Jeffreys (1934) and Prof. M.A. OnwuejKogwu (1974 and 1981)

2nd Kanuri Kingdom: about 900AD by Abdullahi Smith (1971), Smith (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

3rd Kano kingdom 950AD by J. Hunwick (1971), R.A. Adeleye (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

4th Agbor kingship 950AD by Chief Iduwe (1985)

5th Daura Kingdom 950AD by J. Hunwick (1971), Dr. R.A. Adeleye (1971) and Onwuejeogwu (2000)

6th Ife Kingdom (Yoruba) 1045AD by Dr. R. Smith (1969) F. Willet (1960) and Johnson (1921)

7th Ijebu Ode Kingdom 1080AD by Dr. R. Smith 1969, Prof. E.A. Ayandele (1992) and Johnson (1921)

8th Old Oyo Kingdom 1145AD by Dr. R. Smith (1969) Dr. P.M Williams (1967) Johnson (1921)

9th Benin Kingdom 1140AD by Chief Egharevba (1934 and (1968) and Dr. R.E. Brandbury (1957)

10th Ubulu-Ukwu Kingship 1280AD by Mr. E.A. Ikemefuna and Obi Anene (1985)

11th Owa Kingship (Off-shoot of Nri) 1280AD by Obi Efeizomor II (1994)

12th Igala Kingdom 1450AD by Dr. J.S. Boston (1962)

13th Ogwashi-Ukwu Kingship (Offshoot of Nri) 1500AD by Mr. Ben Nwabua (1998)

14th Aro Kingdom 1650AD by Prof. Kenneth Dike and Prof. J. Ekejiuba (1990)

15th Onitsha Kingship 1750AD by R.N. Henderson (1972) Prof Ikenna Nzimiro (1972)

Hey, i already told you dont roll shytte back. Why is yours established by carbon dating but others are verifiable in human history?

Where is Nri in human history? Find it. No carbon dating. Thats assumption.

TAO11:
Lol. Adam Knobler simply summarized the conclusion of historical scholarship who have done all the ground work from the beginning till date.

Make sure to learn to read the very comment you spend time responding to. It helps a lot in making you look less dumb.

I may not further engage you or any other Igbo dreamer if you all continue to fail to mention one scholar who identified the Ogane as an Igbo king.

What level of low intelligence is this?

In his summary, all of a sudden EAST turned to WEST.

Doesn't this immediately tell you that he was only looking into Yoruba revisionist writings?

State one Nri historical scholarship that he examined.

Don't think I am the sort of person you can bamboozle with quack findings, by intellectually incompetent individuals.

Knobler has to also mention a likely KINGDOM TO THE EAST and why he failed to consider its claim. The simple answer being that he only consumed what revisionists have been writing

OfoIgbo:


Stop lying. They mentioned a staff, which is the Ofo and other ancient royal paraphanelia the Eze Nris will normally issue to some kings.

This is what I'm reading

BabaRamota1980:


Great job TAO11. God bless you.
I think metaphysical once threw a challenge to tease Edo witches that their oghene was from Iboland. Metaphysical was throwing the descendants of slaves in Edo between a rock and a hard place with the tease, in other words compressing them to accept one between Yoruba and yanminri for the origin of their foreign ruler. Omoibo has taken that tease to be historical fact and latched his destiny to it. Bloody cannibals want to claim oghene is Nri. Mmtchew, Baba lo ma pa yanminri!

Unfortunately for you, Yorubaland is not to the EAST OF BENIN. Your revisionism won't work.

Knobler is about to go down. A more worthy research effort will be done to obliterate his work

BabaRamota1980:


Hey, i already told you dont roll shytte back. Why is yours established by carbon dating but others are verifiable in human history?

Where is Nri in human history? Find it. No carbon dating. Thats assumption.

That means Nri's claim is more scientifically verifiable. Yours are just tales by the moonlight.

I am still waiting for you lot to try and claim the Nri 4 market days.

MinorityOpinion:


This is what I'm reading

I hope this is not from Knobler because his findings are already suspect.

I need to read things from intellectuals that actually consulted with ALL sides of the argument.

Anything from Knobler or Wikipedia will not be accepted.

OfoIgbo:


Unfortunately for you, Yorubaland is not to the EAST OF BENIN. Your revisionism won't work.

Knobler is about to go down. A more worthy research effort will be done to obliterate his work

Like I had said, always make sure to read the very things you spend time responding to. It helps a lot in making you look less dumb.

All scholars in historical scholarship (whom I listed, and whose conclusions Adam Knobler simply echoed) identify the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife.

Yet, your counter-argument is that: Well, in the future somebody will identify the Ogane as an Igbo king. Interesting.

OfoIgbo:
What level of low intelligence is this?

In his summary, all of a sudden EAST turned to WEST.

Doesn't this immediately tell you that he was only looking into Yoruba revisionist writings?

State one Nri historical scholarship that he examined.

Don't think I am the sort of person you can bamboozle with quack findings, by intellectually incompetent individuals.

Knobler has to also mention a likely KINGDOM TO THE EAST and why he failed to consider its claim. The simple answer being that he only consumed what revisionists have been writing

Lol. The following is the part of my comment which you pretended not to see. Read below and kill your fears:

Despite the description of “east” in this account, I am still unaware of any historian (past or present) who identified this monarch as an Igbo king.

From the beginning of the twentieth century, scholars had no reason to doubt that this Ogane of the Portuguese account is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

(see e.g. Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979: ; Akintoye 2010:141-142; among others).

Historians have maintained for, valid and factual reasons, that the description of “east” in the account is — rather than literal — of a religious significance.

The justification for this comes from the fact that every received detail about the Ogane in the account lines up perfectly only with the Ooni of Ife among all monarchs throughout the Gulf of Guinea.

Moreover, Ife is well-known among the ancient cultures of our region (at least west of the Niger River) by the religious epithet of: “the place from where the sun rises” — Ife Oodaiye, ibi ojumo tii mo wa.

(i) This ancient religious epithet of Ife as, the place of the rising sun, remains well-known even till date by every typical Yoruba person.

(ii) This ancient religious epithet of Ife was also well-known in Benin Kingdom at least up to the 1920s.

This fact comes from H.L. Ward-Price’s “Dark Subjects” wherein he noted that Oba Eweka(II) informed him that every morning at dawn he faces the rising sun while observing certain rituals to his great-lord (Oghene) who lives in Ife.

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife is also found to be well-known in today’s Republic of Benin as Robin Horton’s citation of Maupoil, B’s “La Geomancie” 1943 publication shows below:

“Maupoil in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually corresponds with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.”

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife was also recorded by David Hinderer during his missionary visit to Ife in the 1850s. He wrote:

“Ife is famous as being the seat of idolatory; all the multiple idols of this part of the country are said to emanate from the town; from there the sun and moon rises where they are buried in the ground, and all people of this country and even white men sprung from this town.”

See the link below for the full comment itself: https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/10#92795761

Again Knobler (2016) in the attachment below simply alluded to and echoed what was already established by ethnographic/historical scholarship. See the attached once more for a refreshing read.

TAO11:
Like I had said, always make sure to read the very things you spend time responding to. It helps a lot in making you look less dumb.

All scholars in historical scholarship (whom I listed, and whose conclusions Adam Knobler simply echoed) identify the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife.

Yet, your counter-argument is that well, in the future somebody will identify the Ogane as an Igbo king. Interesting.

I don't think you have a full understanding of what a brilliant research entails.

Even if one million researchers performed their individual researches on one topic, but still failed to investigate every variable, those one million research works will be found wanting.

If none of the researches fail to showcase its unbiased professionalism, and activities to cover all grounds rather than just concentrating on one angle to reach a pre-determined conclusion, and totally ignoring the word (EAST) and failing to make any efforts towards getting to the real truth and fact; then all that research is only fit for one place: THE TRASH BIN

OfoIgbo:


Well, once you can prove that the whiteman visited Nri pre 1850, then I will show you a DIRECT proof of Eze Nri pre 1850.

However, I can supply you with an indirect proof of Eze Nri. According to the writings of Captain John Adams in 1823, below are two paragraphs

‘A class Igbos called Breeche, and whom many erroneously considered to be a distinct nation, masters of slave ship have always had a strong aversion to purchase because the impression made on their minds by their degraded situation was rendered more galling and permanent from the exalted rank which they occupied in their own country and which was thought to have very unfavourable influence on their ship-mate and country men in misfortune”.

“Breche” in the Heebo language signifies gentlemen or the oldest son of one, and who is not allowed to perform in his own country any manual office. He inherits, at his fathers’ death, all his slaves and had the absolute control over the wives and children whom he has left behind him. Before attaining the age of manhood his forehead is scarified and the skin brought down from the hair to the eyebrows so as to form a line of indurated skin from one temple to the other. This peculiar mark is distinctive of his rank.”

The two above paragraphs describe the Mgburu-ichi (BREECHE). They are a part of the Ikenga cult, along with the Ozo title holders, and were all spiritually headed by the Eze Nri himself, and not by any other individual.

How does the record of breeche in 1823 have anything to do with Nri or Aro? You are the one linking it, thr author did not.
I said your neighbors must know you had something called Nri and Arobif indeed this was true. Is there anything in Ijaw, in Benin, in Igala that mention Nri or Aro?

OfoIgbo:
[s]I don't think you have a full understanding of what a brilliant research entails.

Even if one million researchers performed their individual researches on one topic, but still failed to investigate every variable, those one million research works will be found wanting.

If none of the researches fail to showcase its unbiased professionalism, and activities to cover all grounds rather than just concentrating on one angle to reach a pre-determined conclusion, and totally ignoring the word (EAST) and failing to make any efforts towards getting to the real truth and fact; then all that research is only fit for one place: THE TRASH BIN[/s]

First of all historical scholarship did not ignore the word “east” as I have repeatedly demonstrated. See here again.

But guess what, I perfectly get your point. In other words, the body of historical scholarship in the whole wide world conspired to mArGiNaLiZe ndi-Igbo by identifying the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife. Noted!

This persecution-complex thingy again. What a pity!?

LegendHero and BabaRamota1980 comman carry your customers here oo. Hehehe.

OfoIgbo:


That means Nri's claim is more scientifically verifiable. Yours are just tales by the moonlight.

I am still waiting for you lot to try and claim the Nri 4 market days.

Prior 1850 the history of Negro Africa was vetifiable by oral and conquest, not by science.

Show us oral and conquest of Nri and Aro in the kingdoms that share your area with you - Bini, Efik, Ijaw, Igala. No backdating and carbon dating, pure African method for validating history. Tell us who Nri was and Aro in the oral history in Bini, in Efik, in Ijaw and in Igala.

If your neighbors have zero account of you as a kingdom then igbo remains enwe eze.

BabaRamota1980:


How does the record of breeche in 1823 have anything to do with Nri or Aro? You are the one linking it, thr author did not.
I said your neighbors must know you had something called Nri and Arobif indeed this was true. Is there anything in Ijaw, in Benin, in Igala that mention Nri or Aro?

The author doesn't have to link it, after all, you did not ask the author that question.

I was the person you asked that question, so I answered you.


By the way, please people read and weep. Knobler my ass

“If, as has been suggested, Nri theocratic sway could be identified with the culture whose material symbols Shaw recovered in his Igbo-Ukwu excavations, then that factor must be dated to between the 9th and 11th century A.D. or indeed earlier. In that case, Nri influence would be much older than the political and military hegemony centered around Benin and Idah. It may indeed have contributed something to their rise. There are suggestions of this in the tradition, found not only amongst the Nri but also amongst the Bini and the Igala that Nri ritual priests had important parts to play in ceremonies connected with the coronation of the Oba of Benin and the Attah of Igala. Both Jeffreys and Lawton, administrative officers, unearthed evidence to this effect. Thus, it would appear, Nri activities linked much of Igbo-land with the West Niger region up to Benin, and with the region occupied by the Igala and perhaps it also linked Igboland with Idoma land. Many of these links survived, at least, until the 1930s and may still be there in form of the activities of Nri and related traditional medicine man.”

TAO11:
First of all historical scholarship did not ignore the word “east” as I have repeatedly demonstrated. See here again.

But guess what, I perfectly get your point.

In other words, the body of historical scholarship in the whole wide world conspired to [b]mArGiNaLiZe ndi-Igbo by identifying the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife.[/b] Noted!

This persecution-complex thingy again. What a pity!?

LegendHero and BabaRamota1980 comman carry your customers here oo. Hehehe.

This OfoIgbo don suffer today. He will cry to the mods soon to close down the thread.

He is obviously Pazienza, I have dealt with him before to the extent that he had to beg the mod to close down the thread he created.

TAO11:
First of all historical scholarship did not ignore the word “east” as I have repeatedly demonstrated. See here again.

But guess what. I perfectly get your point.

In other words, the body of historical scholarship in the whole wide world conspired to mArGiNaLiZe ndi-Igbo by identifying the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife. Noted!

This persecution-complex thingy again. What a pity!?

LegendHero and BabaRamota1980 comman see your customers here oo. Hehehe.

There is no record of portuguese or dutch explorers and traders setting foot in Oyo but they recorded what they heard from kingdoms on the coast and in fact many times they sent gifts from the coast to be delivered to the king in Oyo. From Dahomey and Hausas they heard about Ife and Oyo. From Borgu and from Bini they were told about Kings in interior Yorubaland. Lander and Clapperton confirmed everything told about Oyo. Nri and Aro has only been told by yanminri, nobody else.

Igbo enwe eze, untill we get proof of Nri and Aro as an ancient kingdom.

“If, as has been suggested, Nri theocratic sway could be identified with the culture whose material symbols Shaw recovered in his Igbo-Ukwu excavations, then that factor must be dated to between the 9th and 11th century A.D. or indeed earlier. In that case, Nri influence would be much older than the political and military hegemony centered around Benin and Idah. It may indeed have contributed something to their rise. There are suggestions of this in the tradition, found not only amongst the Nri but also amongst the Bini and the Igala that Nri ritual priests had important parts to play in ceremonies connected with the coronation of the Oba of Benin and the Attah of Igala. Both Jeffreys and Lawton, administrative officers, unearthed evidence to this effect. Thus, it would appear, Nri activities linked much of Igbo-land with the West Niger region up to Benin, and with the region occupied by the Igala and perhaps it also linked Igboland with Idoma land. Many of these links survived, at least, until the 1930s and may still be there in form of the activities of Nri and related traditional medicine man.”

Afigbo 1987

With the above, Afigbo has shown himself to be superior to Knobler, the white man. Trust an Igbo man to show excellent scholarly mien
Please bear in mind that the researcher that wrote the above was not aware of the Portuguese exploration of Benin in the 1400s

Yoruba attempt to change EAST to WEST will be pulled down
MinorityOpinion, TAO11 and the other. Oya food don land

Hellraiser77 nwannem nwoke, I got them by their shriveled balls now. They will have to counter Jeffreys, Lawton and Prof. Afigbo,

The KINGDOM TO THE EAST is gradually and unstoppably showing its hands