MelesZenawi:


I don't have anything to do with yorubas or middle belt or whatever it is called.

As I stated earlier, I am seriously committed to nuking any bini-igbo narratives to the mud..

In time past, I used to defend binis very well that many even was thinking I am Bini and refer to me as Bini but binis themselves are not good people.


They created a Facebook page called great Bini that the only discussion they have there is Igbo...oozing out bikes upon biles..... re-writing histories in broad day light.


So we have decided to put all histories truthfully on track. They are not good people.

Moreover and truthfully Bini-Yoruba narratives has loads of truth in them critically studying them.

Middle belt, yoruba

samuk:


There few points you don't get and I will explain.

1. How can Benin be part of Yoruba empire when Benin predates the word Yoruba. Yoruba like Igbo are names that are not up to 150 years old, whilst Benin has been recorded in history for over 600 years. If your argument is that Yoruba was part of the old Benin empire, you would have made a point. A son can not be older than his father. Historically, the name Benin is hundreds of year older than Igbo and Yoruba.

Igbo has been here for years and therefore your theory defeated. Ndi gboo....has been a name for centuries. benin anyway is a recent acronym struggling for recognition.

2. Nnamdi Kanu recognises the role ancient history or historical links play in the life of a nation. There is no great nation on earth today without a celebrated ancient historical link. America celebrates her link with Europe and modern China, Japan etc have ancient histories to celebrate. Even modern European countries celebrate their links with ancient Greek and Rome.

Their issues and business. Igbo remains igbo.

3. When the Yoruba elites decided to create a unified Yoruba race after centuries of different tribes killing each other, they created Ife as the cradle of their civilisation, they tried to link her to Saudi Arabia, when that failed, they tried Egypt, when there were no historical records to back it up, they came closer home to Benin, Ife history without Benin to support it is less than 150 years, this is why the link with Benin is very important to the Yoruba irrespective of what they say here on Nairaland.

That's Yoruba - Benin business not ours..

4. The Igbos had the same problem of historical linkage to ancient civilisations, Zik understood this and came up with the Onitsha Benin historical link but modern Igbos like yourself who doesn't understand the significance of such links where upset with Zik. The Igbo try to link themselves to Israel but suffered the same faith as the Yoruba Saudi Arabia link because of lack of supporting historical documents. Nnamdi Kanu understand that a new Biafra needs such a link with a credible ancient civilisation and he is now following Zik's example of claiming Benin as an Igbo land. Igbo/Biafra without link to such ancient civilisations as Benin will be an historical paperweight.

There is nothing, I mean nothing Bini can offer Igbos, so no need for the useless linkages.

Zik made mistake historically and has been corrected by elites and his own sisters including brothers. So no need masturbating on someone's error.

4. Other developed nations make money from their ancient histories and historical sites, plus the prestige such history brings to the nation.

Let Bini make money from her history, sane way others will do same but lying in face of truth is purely evil.


Moreover none of the points I raised was addressed in your submission

gregyboy:

Middle belt, yoruba

Your business. None of mine.
Believe whatever makes you sleep but the current trend must continue.

samuk:




5. You said Nnamdi Kanu was referring to Esan and not Benin, you are naive if you think Esan and Benin are not the same people. There is no Esan town that was not founded by the Benins. The Esan are more closer to Benin than an Imo man to Anambra man yet you all refer to yourselves as Igbos while trying to make a distinction between Benin and Esan.

I don't dabble in petty claims and kanu claims I term it petty but at same time binis should contain their histories in Edo state...that's all.


Anything outside that is full of lies.

MelesZenawi:



I don't dabble in petty claims and kanu claims I term it petty but at same time binis should contain their histories in Edo state...that's all.


Anything outside that is full of lies.

The Benin is not the ones claiming Igbo but it's your present and future leader of Biafra Nnamdi Kanu that is claiming Edo for Igbo, he even claimed that the Oba of Benin is a product of a Yoruba prince and an Igbo princess.

samuk:


The Benin is not the ones claiming Igbo but it's your present and future leader of Biafra Nnamdi Kanu that is claiming Edo for Igbo, he even claimed that the Oba of Benin is a product of a Yoruba prince and an Igbo princess.

Yawns.

History don't lie. Mere talks are not history.

The Bini-Yoruba history is what we know.

Iamgrey5:
Oba of Bini is an igbo Oba please like Obi Onitsha

The Bini people of five local government areas do not have anything to do with the Yorubas


He has nothing whatsoever to do with Yorubas.

I agree with you, Yorubas should not have anything to do with those 5 LG people.
That areafada refuses to tell you his father In Yoruba oo
He And Meleszenawi always pokenose into Yoruba matter

Sammy07:


I agree with you, Yorubas should not have anything to do with those 5 LG people.
That areafada refuses to tell you his father In Yoruba oo
He And Meleszenawi always pokenose into Yoruba matter

No , binis are yorubas.

Didn't you see the ranking. Bini and Igbo has no similarities whatsoever.

GarangDeMabior:


No , binis are yorubas.

Didn't you see the ranking. Bini and Igbo has no similarities whatsoever.

Which Benin ?
We don't have anything to do with 5LGA people

Sammy07:

Which Benin ? We don't have anything to do with 5LGA people

Read history and see how both of you guys are bonded.

GarangDeMabior:

Read history and see how both of you guys are bonded.

Which bond. Abeq, make everyone answers his father name. we've dismantle the bond.

Sammy07:

Which bond. Abeq, make everyone answers his father name. we've dismantle the bond.

No, things doesn't work that way. Blood is thicker than water.

samuk:


There few points you don't get and I will explain.

1. How can Benin be part of Yoruba empire when Benin predates the word Yoruba. Yoruba like Igbo are names that are not up to 150 years old, whilst Benin has been recorded in history for over 600 years. If your argument is that Yoruba was part of the old Benin empire, you would have made a point. A son can not be older than his father. Historically, the name Benin is hundreds of year older than Igbo and Yoruba.

2. Nnamdi Kanu recognises the role ancient history or historical links play in the life of a nation. There is no great nation on earth today without a celebrated ancient historical link. America celebrates her link with Europe and modern China, Japan etc have ancient histories to celebrate. Even modern European countries celebrate their links with ancient Greek and Rome.

3. When the Yoruba elites decided to create a unified Yoruba race after centuries of different tribes killing each other, they created Ife as the cradle of their civilisation, they tried to link her to Saudi Arabia, when that failed, they tried Egypt, when there were no historical records to back it up, they came closer home to Benin, Ife history without Benin to support it is less than 150 years, this is why the link with Benin is very important to the Yoruba irrespective of what they say here on Nairaland.

4. The Igbos had the same problem of historical linkage to ancient civilisations, Zik understood this and came up with the Onitsha Benin historical link but modern Igbos like yourself who doesn't understand the significance of such links where upset with Zik. The Igbo try to link themselves to Israel but suffered the same faith as the Yoruba Saudi Arabia link because of lack of supporting historical documents. Nnamdi Kanu understand that a new Biafra needs such a link with a credible ancient civilisation and he is now following Zik's example of claiming Benin as an Igbo land. Igbo/Biafra without link to such ancient civilisations as Benin will be an historical paperweight.

4. Other developed nations make money from their ancient histories and historical sites, plus the prestige such history brings to the nation.

5. You said Nnamdi Kanu was referring to Esan and not Benin, you are naive if you think Esan and Benin are not the same people. There is no Esan town that was not founded by the Benins. The Esan are more closer to Benin than an Imo man to Anambra man yet you all refer to yourselves as Igbos while trying to make a distinction between Benin and Esan.

You just summed up the politics of East & West attachment stories to Benin. Trying to use Benin to legitimise and boost their own history.

But unfortunately for them Benin history is so stubbornly unique, ancient, locally artistically documented and so early documented by Europeans. Long before others even saw a white man.

That is their eternal dilemma.

AreaFada2:


You just summed up the politics of East & West attachment stories to Benin. Trying to use Benin to legitimise and boost their own history.

But unfortunately for them Benin history is so stubbornly unique, ancient, locally artistically documented and so early documented by Europeans. Long before others even saw a white man.

That is their eternal dilemma.

No dilemma dude.

It is the reverse. Igbos always want to maintain their history and don't overboard but can go haywire if distorted.

Like fools will leave Bini and come onitsha to discuss the people history.

Abeg stay in Bini and dey your Bini.

AreaFada2:


You just summed up the politics of East & West attachment stories to Benin. Trying to use Benin to legitimise and boost their own history.

But unfortunately for them Benin history is so stubbornly unique, ancient, locally artistically documented and so early documented by Europeans. Long before others even saw a white man.

That is their eternal dilemma.

I hope Yoruba and Igbo will not one day fight over Benin City as the capital of their new empires like Italy has taken over what remained of the ancient Roman empire.

Both sides have been laying the foundations for decades. The latest claim by Nnamdi Kanu that the Benin throne is a product of an Igbo princess anda Yoruba prince is another stone being added to the foundation.

At the rate the Edo people are migrating to foreign countries, the Igbos and Yorubas that are filling these void may decides to take over the city in the future and claim her history for themselves.

The only luck is that ancient Benin history was well documented by early Europeans.

samuk:


I hope Yoruba and Igbo will not one day fight over Benin City as the capital of their new empires like Italy has taken over what remained of the ancient Roman empire.

Both sides have been laying the foundations for decades. The latest claim by Nnamdi Kanu that the Benin throne is a product of an Igbo princess anda Yoruba prince is another stone being added to the foundation.

At the rate the Edo people are migrating to foreign countries, the Igbos and Yorubas that are filling these void may decides to take over the city in the future and claim her history for themselves.

The only luck is that ancient Benin history was well documented by early Europeans.

Tell me one thing a sane human being will fight over Edo state.


Is it witchcraft or witchery?

Which one.

mbok.

samuk:


I hope Yoruba and Igbo will not one day fight over Benin City as the capital of their new empires like Italy has taken over what remained of the ancient Roman empire.

Both sides have been laying the foundations for decades. The latest claim by Nnamdi Kanu that the Benin throne is a product of an Igbo princess anda Yoruba prince is another stone being added to the foundation.

At the rate the Edo people are migrating to foreign countries, the Igbos and Yorubas that are filling these void may decides to take over the city in the future and claim her history for themselves.

This is one major worry o my brother. Emigration. Benin is now full of non-Benin people. Hospitals, civil service, everywhere non Benin.

Benin always welcomes people from everywhere. No hating. But agendas are unpredictable these days.

Iamgrey5:
He is saying that Binis are igbo and igbo are Binis

IPOB have a secret Land grabbing agenda from Port Harcourt to Benue to Benin to Urhobo to Itsekiri to Lagos.
They always come up with Hilarious stories as to how others hertage are part of their ancestral Lands.

GarangDeMabior:



Tell me one thing a sane human being will fight over Edo state.


Is it witchcraft or witchery?

Which one.

mbok.

TAO11 see your fellow desperados, this one is trying to break every link igbo have with Beni by fire and tunder, while youre doing the opposite with yoruba,....

Anyway our ancestors were never cowards so they never gave birth to one, we go treat una Bleep up like we did in the past.....

gregyboy:
TAO11 see your fellow desperados, this one is trying to break every link igbo have with Beni by fire and tunder, while youre doing the opposite with yoruba,....

What’s my business with Igbos.

My point has always been that Edos — Binis particularly — are salves of the Yoruba king ruling over them.

And the young man here (GarangeDeMabior) agrees with that. So he’s not arguing any opposite. Stop deluding yourself.

Anyway our ancestors were never cowards so they never gave birth to one, we go treat una Bleep up like we did in the past.....

Regarding your false claim of bravery, Captain Gallwey begs to defer in his ”Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa”, 1893, p.127-128.

TAO11:
What’s my business with Igbos.

My point has always been that Edos — Binis particularly — are salves of the Yoruba king ruling over them.

And the young man here (GarangeDeMabior) agrees with that. So he’s not arguing any opposite. Stop deluding yourself.

Regarding your false claim of bravery, Captain Gallwey begs to defer in his ”Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa”, 1893, p.127-128.

Why wont it be benins wen our ancestors chased
Your clothed ancestors off their lands and have the heads The bavest to our shrine antiques

The benin king is still ruling lagos pained mofo

Mugu

Christistruth00:


IPOB have a secret Land grabbing agenda from Port Harcourt to Benue to Benin to Urhobo to Itsekiri to Lagos.
They always come up with Hilarious stories as to how others hertage are part of their ancestral Lands.

Including their self acclaimed Jewish heritage.

MelesZenawi:


Which is Yoruba.

Mugu, afonja

Iamgrey5:
Binis are igbos with strong Igbo blood.

Even Bini themselves say Obaseki great grand parents are Igbos from Anioma region of today's Delta state.

Bini is igbo and igbo is Bin

Yorubas have no relationship with those people

The beaded Crown on top of Oba of Benin's head was given to him by the Ooni of Ife .

gregyboy:
Why wont it be benins wen our ancestors chased
Your clothed ancestors off their lands and have the heads The bavest to our shrine antiques. The benin king is still ruling lagos pained mofo.Mugu

Lies from the pit of Erediauwa’s anus. Your evidence or 600 years for you.

(A) The eyewitness accounts from Benin confirms that:

(1) The Kings of Benin regards the Edo people of Benin as his slaves — he even gave them a nickname which they are very proud of, viz. “King’s Slaves”.

(2) Another Benin account tells us that the ”King’s’s Slaves” are sacrificed annually to the deities.

(3) Lastly, the testimony of a Bini curator admits unashamedly that the deities worshipped in Benin are actually Yoruba deities. Refer to time-stamp 1:27:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqso2h2gRDw

(4) In conclusion: The Edos (who are the Kings’ slaves by default) are sacrificed annually to Yoruba deities by the Yoruba King ruling over the Edos in Benin.
.
.
(B) Regarding Lagos, show me where a ‘Lagos’ oba was titled “Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie”, among others.

Those are the actually titles adopted by kings of Benin patrilineal origin who rule remote territories on behalf of the King of Benin.

Show me one such example in the history of Lagos, or one eyewitness account from the 1600s which says that the Binis settled in Lagos by conquest — just one.

Recently, one of your brothers @ghoston shot himself in the head by actually providing an account (collected and published in 1845) which proves that the name “Eko” was in fact named by the Ijebus.

TAO11:
Lies from the pit of Erediauwa’s anus. Your evidence or 600 years for you.

(A) The eyewitness accounts from Benin confirms that:

(1) The Kings of Benin regards the Edo people of Benin as his slaves — he even gave them a nickname which they are very proud of, viz. “King’s Slaves”.

(2) Another Benin account tells us that the ”King’s’s Slaves” are sacrificed annually to the deities.

(3) Lastly, the testimony of a Bini curator admits unashamedly that the deities worshipped in Benin are actually Yoruba deities. Refer to time-stamp 1:27:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqso2h2gRDw

(4) In conclusion: The Edos (who are the Kings’ slaves by default) are sacrificed annually to Yoruba deities by the Yoruba King ruling over the Edos in Benin.
.
.
(B) Regarding Lagos, show me where a ‘Lagos’ oba was titled “Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie”, among others.

Those are the actually titles adopted by kings of Benin patrilineal origin who rule remote territories on behalf of the King of Benin.

Show me one such example in the history of Lagos, or one eyewitness account from the 1600s which says that the Binis settled in Lagos by conquest — just one.

Recently, one of your brothers @ghoston shot himself in the head by actually providing an account (collected and published in 1845) which proves that the name “Eko” was in fact named by the Ijebus.

Mad woman....


Like i said stoo forcing it...... Benin-ife was a lie


Jeez cant you just accept the painful truth


Mugu.....


Are you saying the king of auchi bears enogie,
Or the itsekiri bears enogie, or the king of owo bears ogie are their ancestors not still benin royals

As longs as your royal linage comes from benin, you will be regarded as ogie(royalty)

Lagos monarchy would be called ogie eko in benin the title given to lagos monarchy was eleko neko, the British changed to a more simpler pronunciation oba since they found it difficult to pronounce is original title, since they knew his throne was benin so they called him oba instead

Ozwor a king does not necessarily need it, to is title before he will be regarded as ogie

Only the the king of benin bears the title oba

So if everyone is ogie what name would be used to differentiate the supiorior one amongst all of kings bearing ogie


Ok let me make it lame to you deft yorubas

PRESIDENT =oba
Governors=ogie

Sultan =oba
Emur=ogie

King =oba.
Dukes=ogie

Note =the suprior always have a unique name everyone cannot bear ogie including their suprior

The etymology of the word ogie means (sent)

Biko, biko

gregyboy:
••• Like i said stoo forcing it...... Benin-ife was a lie

Evidence for this dry joke or 600 years for you. Cry!

•••

Are you saying the king of auchi bears enogie,

The present king of Auch is an Islamic monarch.

Or the itsekiri bears enogie,

I gave the following list as the title for kings ruling in the interest of the Benin king:

Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie

And yes, the king of Itsekiri bears on of them because he is of Bini heritage — his title is “Ogiame” till date despite ruling over a Yoruba subgroup.

or the king of owo bears ogie are their ancestors not still benin royals

Provide any account from Owo where the king claims to be of Bini origin or where the kingdom claims to have ever been under Benin.

Anyways, thank you for proving that Owo was never under Benin rule — they never use any of the titles at anytime, viz. Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie

As longs as your royal linage comes from benin, you will be regarded as ogie(royalty)

Thank you for proving that the Lagos monarch was never from Benin.

Moreover, you don’t miss any opportunity to prove yourself as a true dullard.

You are trying hard to hide the fact that “Ogie” is the actual original Edo word for “King” so that you won’t be asked to explain “Oba”.

You then fooled yourself and shot yourself in the head by suggesting that “Ogie” simply means “royalty”.

However, “royalty” is a collective noun which describes anybody of royal status — from the king himself, to any of his wives, any of his children, of any of his paternal extended family.

Or are you prepared to claim that the Edos regard the King’s wives as “Ogie”??

“Ogie” refers specifically to only one member of the royal family at a time. “Ogie” is the Edo word for “king”, etc. “Oba” on the other hand is alien to Edo language because it comes from the Yoruba language.

Otherwise, provide a syllable-for-syllable translation of the word “Oba” in Edo language.

Lagos monarchy would be called ogie eko in benin the title given to lagos monarchy was eleko neko, the British changed to a more simpler pronunciation oba since they found it difficult to pronounce is original title, since they knew his throne was benin so they called him oba instead

Evidence for your super-story or 600 years suffering for you.

Moreover, thank you for proving that the Lagos monarchy is not paternally related to the Binis’, otherwise the title would have followed one of the general Benin styles.

The following are the titles used for all the obas who have ruled Lagos Island historically: “Olofin”, “Olori-Ogun”, “Ologun”, “Eleko”, and very recently/present “Olowo-Eko”.

•••

Ok let me make it lame to you deft yorubas
PRESIDENT =oba
Governors=ogie
Sultan =oba
Emur=ogie
King =oba.
Dukes=ogie
Note =the suprior always have a unique name everyone cannot bear ogie including their suprior
The etymology of the word ogie means (sent)
Biko, biko

Evidence for your super-story or 600 years for you.

Only the the king of benin bears the title oba

Big fat lie from the black stenchy anus of Erediauwa.

The king of Agbede in Etsako West in your Edo is Oba.

Why does your Erediauwa not stop him during his days? Nonsense and Edo state!

TAO11:
Evidence for this dry joke or 600 years for you. Cry!

•••

The present king of Auch is an Islamic monarch.

I gave the following list as the title for kings ruling in the interest of the Benin king:

Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie

And yes, the king of Itsekiri bears on of them because he is of Bini heritage — his title is “Ogiame” till date despite ruling over a Yoruba subgroup.

Provide any account from Owo where the king claims to be of Bini origin or where the kingdom claims to have ever been under Benin.

Anyways, thank you for proving that Owo was never under Benin rule — they never use any of the titles at anytime, viz. Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie

Thank you for proving that the Lagos monarch was never from Benin.

Moreover, I don’t miss any opportunity to prove yourself as a true dullard.

You are trying hard to hide the fact that “Ogie” is the actual original Edo word for “King” so that you won’t be asked to explain “Oba”.

You then fooled yourself and shot yourself in the head by suggesting that “Ogie” simply means “royalty”.

However, “royalty” is a collective noun which describes anybody of royal status — from the king himself, to any of his wives, any of his children, of any of his paternal extended family.

Or are you prepared to claim that the Edos regard the King’s wives as “Ogie”??

“Ogie” refers specifically to only one member of the royal family at a time. “Ogie” is the Edo word for “king”, etc. “Oba” on the other hand is alien to Edo language because it comes from the Yoruba language.

Otherwise, provide a syllable-for-syllable translation of the word “Oba” in Edo language.

Evidence for your super-story or 600 years suffering for you.

Moreover, thank you for proving that the Lagos monarchy is not paternally related to the Binis’, otherwise the title would have followed one of the general Benin styles.

The following are the titles used for all the obas who have ruled Lagos Island historically: “Olofin”, “Olori-Ogun”, “Ologun”, “Eleko”, and very recently/present “Olowo-Eko”.

•••

Evidence for your super-story or 600 years for you.


Big fat lie from the black stenchy anus of Erediauwa.

The king of Agbede in Etsako West in your Edo is Oba.

Why does your Erediauwa not stop him during his days? Nonsense and Edo state!

Lol, the title for the name of the king in auchi is not an Islamic name.....

1)It is called the ataru of auchi..... Which ought to be emir of auchi if indeed if title has anything to do with religion

2) the king of itsekeris family name is ogiemen and not his title, his royal title is olu of itsekeris

3) provide evidence that benin ruled owo, you have indeed gone mad

4) even if ogie is king if we are to assume so, they must be a name to distinguish their overlord
Abi have the gods in Yoruba gone insane for bring yoruba children of this generation without brains , even in the British dynasty there is a distinction of names between their royaltys
The king of England
The price of Wales
The dukes
And the others

Lol, the yorubas indeed are all mad


There was never a relationship between ife and benin before the creation of nigeria, after the creation of nigeria for the reasons of ethnic and political benefits there became a need to rewrite history by the benins to accommodate them as Yorubass

Words like, obaseki, obarisagbon and much more

Just the way the oba didnt stop the entire yoruba monarchy from using the title oba, thesame way he didnt stop the British from changing the name of lagos monarchy from eleko to eko to oba of lagos
The same way he wont stop anybody who is not bounded as a benin by tribe from bearing the title
Oba as long as you are not benin you will be allowed .......

The yorubas rushed this opportunity it was like orishirishi to them, mad coward tribe


TAO11 you just want me to talk



Here is a screenshot of the names of royal kings in nigeria before youlrubas started using the title oba


If that list was made today this how the title will be

1) alafin of oyo, hrm oba Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi III
2)alake of abekuta, hrm oba Aremu gbamumu
And so on.....

According to TAO11 all the kings which trace origin to benin should be having their title ogie,
But funny enough even in edo state not all monarchy are title ogie

gregyboy:
Lol, the title for the name of the king in auchi is not an Islamic name.....
1)It is called the ataru of auchi..... Which ought to be emir of auchi if indeed if title has anything to do with religion

Emir is not the only word used by Islamic rulers, you dullard.

2) the king of itsekeris family name is ogiemen and not his title, his royal title is olu of itsekeris

The king of Itsekiri is a prince of the Oba of Benin — and as such is not related to the Ogiamien family of Benin.

His title is “Ogiame” — a Benin word which means “King over the waters”. He uses this Benin word as his title because of his Benin lineage, despite ruling over a Yoruba subgroup.

“Ogiame” (which is his title) is different from “Ogiamien” (aka “Ogiamwen”) which is a another family of Benin who are against the Oba’s family.

3) provide evidence that benin ruled owo, you have indeed gone mad

I hope you’re aware that “you have indeed gone mad” is not an evidence.

My challenge to you again is as follows:

“Provide any evidence [or account] from Owo where the king claims to be of Bini origin or where the kingdom claims to have ever been under Benin”.

Clearly Owo (unlike Itsekiri, at al.) never used any of the Benin territorial titles (such as: “Ogiame”, “Enogie”, “Orodje”, etc.) for its monarchy at any time in the course of its history.

4) even if ogie is king if we are to assume so, they must be a name to distinguish their overlord.

First, the word for “King”, etc. in Edo language is “Ogie” plain and simple. This is not an assumption. In fact it is you who must prove otherwise if you must insist otherwise.

But I’m quite glad that you’re quick to drop that “Ogie” = “Royalty” fraud. It seems you’re not willing to accept that the Oba’s wife is “Ogie”.

Abi have the gods in Yoruba gone insane for bring yoruba children of this generation without brains

No, I think the gods of Yorubaland are driving you insane for calling your Obas (and their ancestors) various unprintable names just because they utterances does not agree with your inferiority complex.

even in the British dynasty there is a distinction of names between their royaltys The king of England
The price of Wales The dukes And the others

“Ogie” is not “Prince”, rather “Ogie” is “King”.

Also “Ogie” is not “Duke”. “Duke” is a English concept alien to Benin but borrowed mindlessly by inferior Benin.

“Ogie” is simply the Edo word for “King”.

Lol, the yorubas indeed are all mad

I hope you won’t finally commit suicide.

In any case, “Oba” is a Yoruba word for “King” which appeared suddenly in Edo lexicon and almost replaced the original indigenous Edo word for “King” completely.

There was never a relationship between ife and benin before the creation of nigeria, after the creation of nigeria for the reasons of ethnic and political benefits there became a need to rewrite history by the benins to accommodate them as Yorubass

Evidence for this dry joke or 600 years suffering for you.

But in the meantime, here is an interesting read for you:

https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

Words like, obaseki, obarisagbon and much more

Yes, “Oba” came to feature in the Edo language later courtesy of Yoruba, hence the reason why the word “Oba” has no monarch related meaning in the language of the Edo people except in Yoruba language.

Just the way the oba didnt stop the entire yoruba monarchy from using the title oba,

Stop his fathers from answering their names which he later came to answer.

“Only the Benin rulers could correspond to the Yoruba “standard” in the Edo-speaking world ... [because] the Yoruba did not influence the political system of other Edo-speaking peoples ... whose rulers are not called Oba”. ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, 2003, p.71.

thesame way he didnt stop the British from changing the name of lagos monarchy from eleko to eko to oba of lagos

First of all the oba of Lagos till date still use his royal title alongside the word oba just as any Yoruba king. So, there was never any change. You’re imagining too much.

Open your cranium for the umpteenth time to understand that the Yoruba word oba is simply a common noun which applies to any Yoruba person who is “King”.

Whenever you see the word oba let your dry brain think of the word “king”. Simple!

The royal titles used alongside the Yoruba word for “king” (i.e. “Oba” ) — e.g. “Ooni”, “Alaafin”’ etc. are the proper nouns for the specific obas of specific kingdoms, just as the proper noun (or royal title) for the Benin oba is ”Omo N’Oba” (child of the king”).

““Ooni” is Oba of Ife” or “the Oba of Oyo is Alaafin”“ ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, 2003, p.71.

The same way he wont stop anybody who is not bounded as a benin by tribe from bearing the title
Oba as long as you are not benin you will be allowed....

He clearly can’t stop his father from using the name which they permitted him to use from their own language.

The yorubas rushed this opportunity it was like orishirishi to them, mad coward tribe

I am waiting for evidence or 600 years.

TAO11 you just want me to talk

Could this be the evidence I’ve been asking for??

Here is a screenshot of the names of royal kings in nigeria before youlrubas started using the title oba

Started using ”Oba” or what did I just read??

How can Oba be an Edo word when it has no meaning in the Edo language except in the Yoruba language.

I have challenges you severally to present a sylllable-by-syllable translation of the word ”Oba” in the Edo language. Why are you s read?

Moreover, I have presented an example of 1800s use of the word “Oba” for the kings who own the word — the Yoruba kings.

If that list was made today this how the title will be

No, if the list was made today just as it is shown in your attachment here without any mention of the first and last names of the obas; then it will still remain without the pre-fix “Oba” before the name.

1) alafin of oyo, hrm oba Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi III
2)alake of abekuta, hrm oba Aremu gbamumu
And so on.....

Lol. The difference here is that you fraudulently included the actual names of the obas in which case your attachment didn’t.

If your attachment were to also include the actual names of those obas, then their names would of course be prefixed with oba because that is who they are.

The phrase “Oba of Benin” is not a traditional Benin tittle. The word “oba” for “king” in that phrase was introduced early to Benin, granted.

But the proper noun (or royal title) was and his traditionally “Omo n’Oba n’Edo” — just as his Oyo counterpart will have “Alaafin Oyo”.

According to TAO11 all the kings which trace origin to benin should be having their title ogie,
But funny enough even in edo state not all monarchy are title ogie

Funny enough, I never said the titles would be necessarily for any king in Edo State — of course there are at least two different “Obas within Edo state.

So, my point was not about Edo State whic is a modern construct. My point was about territories that were traditionally ruled by Benin princes on behalf of the Oba of Benin — such territories may be found inside or outside of modern Edo state.

Also my point was not about the word “Ogie” alone. I gave a list which includes:

“Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, ”Enogie”, “Ovie”, “Orodje”, “Onojie”, etc.

This was never the case with any Yoruba-subgroup except the Itsekir. And interestingly, only the account of the Itsekiris confirm the Binis’ claim.