Why did God make homosexuals? Very funny question. Ask, why did God make poor people, or sickle-cell patients, or those twin babies born with their body parts joined to one another, or people with defects? Do we leave this people and let them be? Does it make their situation normal, or do we try to improve it or correct it, or pray about it, or resolve it with a lot of science research and medicine?

HIV is growing mostly in the gay and Black African communities in the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12817564


A doubling of new HIV infections in the UK in the past decade is leading experts to tell GPs to offer testing to all adult male patients in some areas.

Health Protection Agency data shows new UK-acquired cases rose from just under 2,000 in 2001 to nearly 3,800 in 2010.

Many of these new cases are among men who have sex with men and it is this group that campaigners hope to target.

The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence has launched new guidelines for doctors in England.

Routine testing

NICE says GPs should now offer and recommend HIV testing to all men who register with a practice in an area with a large community of men who have sex with men or an area that has a high prevalence of HIV - meaning more than two diagnosed cases per 1,000 people.

Hospital doctors should follow similar advice for any men admitted to their hospital.

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Increased testing should help stop the spread of HIV by identifying men at risk, NICE believes


Men who have sex with men remain the group most at risk of becoming infected with HIV.

New diagnoses in this group alone have increased by 70% in the past 10 years.

There are more than 30,000 men who have sex with men living with HIV in the UK and experts estimate nearly a third of these are currently undiagnosed and unaware that they are infected.

Another high risk group that would benefit from increased HIV testing, according to NICE, is the black African community living in England.

In 2009, more than 2,000 black Africans were diagnosed with an HIV infection; one-third of all new diagnoses in the UK.

Professor Mike Kelly from NICE said: "HIV is still a serious problem in this country, with a large proportion of people unaware they are infected.

"This new guidance from NICE makes a number of practical recommendations which aim to increase HIV testing by encouraging healthcare professionals to offer it routinely to people in areas where there are a high number of people living with HIV."

This would include parts of larges cities like London and Manchester, as well as areas like Brighton and Hove.

Dr Valerie Delpech, head of HIV surveillance at the HPA, said: "These expanded HIV testing policies should be prioritised for implementation as soon as possible.

"The impact of late diagnosis is clearly demonstrated when you look at deaths among people with HIV - three out of five of HIV-positive individuals that die are diagnosed too late to gain the most health benefits from their treatment, like increased life expectancy."

HIV charities said the guidelines were a "vital step forward".

God did not make any homosexuals. My God is a God of love,and for him to create people in a certain way and expect them to fight who they are seems pretty cruel to me. He could not have told us that homosexuality is a sin and then gone ahead to create people that way.

Atreides:

God did not make any homosexuals. My God is a God of love,and for him to create people in a certain way and expect them to fight who they are seems pretty cruel to me. He could not have told us that homosexuality is a sin and then gone ahead to create people that way.

His ways are unfathomable (only revealed on rare occasions for a select few). Just take it - Gba! and Accept it in Faith, Ba Da mu'a

I don't believe in blind faith. God gave me a brain,and He wants me to use it. I believe in being rational about things. Even in the scriptures we read that there were a group of people,the Bereans,who after being preached to didn't just take Paul's words at face value. They didn't blindly believe everything-but rather they searched the scriptures daily to confirm that what Paul told them was true. See Acts 17:10,11. Proverbs 14:15 also says that the simple man believes everything,but the shrewd one considers his steps.
So yeah,i know faith is important and all,and yeah,i know God's ways aren't man's ways,but i'm not gullible and i won't accept things blindly in the name of having faith.
That being said,i know the Bible says Homosexuality is wrong,and that's good enough for me.
When you add my natural aversion to such a sick act,it's pretty clear that i will never condone homosexuality.
But the topic isn't asking whether homosexuality is wrong or not,it's asking whether God made homosexuals that way. I haven't seen any scriptures that talk about that(although if anyone wants to show me one i'm game),so i decided to reason it out. I came up with two major reasons why i'm sure God did not create people as homosexuals:
1-Creating people a certain way takes away their ability to choose whether to be that way or not,and i know God is a big proponent of free-will and choices.
If He created people as homosexuals,that would mean they had no choice in the matter,and i can't see God doing something that would take away our free will.
Creating people as homosexuals means taking away their free will.
I know God wouldn't take away our free will.
Therefore i know He didn't create anyone as homosexuals.
2-Creating someone a certain way and expecting him to deny who/what he is,to fight and fight and fight,to struggle with something he has NO control over seems cruel to me.
I know God is Love.
Therefore He is not and cannot be cruel.
Therefore He did not create anybody as homosexuals.
That's how i see it.

wetu:

Did the poster say Catholic School or Faith School? Obviously if Catholic priests are sex offenders, you should be looking at another faith other than Catholic. Christian for example

Catholic schools are faith schools too. And as Martian has indicated above, they are also Christians.

Image123:

Why did God make homosexuals? Very funny question. Ask, why did God make poor people, or sickle-cell patients, or those twin babies born with their body parts joined to one another, or people with defects? Do we leave this people and let them be? Does it make their situation normal, or do we try to improve it or correct it, or pray about it, or resolve it with a lot of science research and medicine?

Did you notice that you did not answer why God also made the other groups of humans that you mentioned above?

@ Atreides
I thought that God said he knows people even before he forms them in their mother's uterus.

@ yommyuk
What's the relevance of the article you posted?

thehomer:

@ yommyuk
What's the relevance of the article you posted?

The relevance is just to show the evils and danger homosexuality pose to the society at large. Thought about posting it as a new thread, but later decided why not here. At least u' ve read it.

And how about the danger that Black African communities pose? They're also featured prominently in the article.

thehomer:

Did you notice that you did not answer why God also made the other groups of humans that you mentioned above?

Did you notice that i included question markS? i'm not writing an examination where question X is compulsory, i'm showing you(the OP and co) reason why logic to continue in the folly of homosexuality, using God as a prop, is a fallacy.

thehomer:

And how about the danger that Black African communities pose? They're also featured prominently in the article.

I agree and I hope these Black Africans did not get infected by gay activity.

Image123:

Did you notice that i included question markS? i'm not writing an examination where question X is compulsory, i'm showing you(the OP and co) reason why logic to continue in the folly of homosexuality, using God as a prop, is a fallacy.

So you have not really answered anything instead you raised more questions on the reasons not to believe that God had anything to do with any of the people you mentioned.

yommyuk:

I agree and I hope these Black Africans did not get infected by gay activity.

Huh? Did you know that in Africa, the most common means of HIV transmission is through heterosexual intercourse? Or do you think HIV floats around in air?

thehomer:

So you have not really answered anything instead you raised more questions on the reasons not to believe that God had anything to do with any of the people you mentioned.

Can you be more specific?
And how do my 'questions' provide more reasons to think God's not involved with some set of people?
The trend of the OP is that since/if God created homosexuals, then He should not see it as a wrong practice, and that homos should care less, seeing according to your flawed logic, it's God's will. The point now is should poor people and sick people take on such fatalism? Should they revel in poverty as their God-ordained right? Should siamese twins or sickle-cell patients not seek a cure since 'God created it'? When you're done answering these, you won't need my answers. God gave you a brain, yes.

Now we start like this, Some men evolved to like other men Butt. , while other men evolved to dislike those practices. Then Natural selection came to play the majority that dislike such practice evolved to make such Practices Illigal. But the Butt men also evolved to use the under hand techniques, they colluded with some of the Majority in certain countries, using the theory of evolution, the Butt men defended their evolved tendencies. Again the Evolved Majority in Africa Evolved not to be deceived by the theory of evolution the evovled Butt men where using to defend the practices. Again the African evovled to make strong laws against the Butt men in their Jurisdiction. Oh dear, I am getting tired of the evovled problems, then the evolved Butt men, evolved again to use evolved tactics to evovle the society usng an evovling mechanism to achieve evolution.

But seriously, People simply Nurture certain tendencies in them, and unfortunately, the kind of media exposure is making people general DESENSITIZED to such practice even using drugs is becoming less of a problem because like I say the media can make certain things look quite normal over a period of time. To crown it all, God does not and did not create people to do Dorty, but people are ultimately responsible for their actions, that is why God made his worship to be central to our life, if man chases after lofty ideals, I tell you we would not have such people in our midst, But this days it seems as if Pleasure is all what people are after. at the end of the day, it is not as if when this homos do their stuff it happens suddenly, it is always premeditated, they are not Goats during heat, hence that elements of control and consciousness is enough reason to say that God is not responsible for their actions, Just as a man decides to have illegal sex with women, he is ultimately responsible for his actions, hence we can clearly say that They are very much responsible for their actions.

It is obvious that there is a connection between being gay and the theory of evolution, which is the religion of atheists. So, I wouldn't be surprised if most atheists on this forum turn out to be LGBT's.

What is the Connection Between Homosexuality and Evolution?

Just last week I participated in a news conference with other Christian leaders in Southern California, announcing a strategy to overturn a recent "Human Dignity Ordinance" passed by the San Diego City Council, declaring homosexuals to be a special favoured class of citizens.

Such ordinances are being proposed and passed all over America; this is not just a California problem, although it grips California as it does few other states. How can this be?  How can it be that in America, where individual rights are constitutionally guaranteed to all (including homosexuals), governing bodies could even contemplate granting favoured status to a behaviour-based group, especially a sexually based behavioural group?  Even more, this group is known for its total preoccupation with sexual activity, and a type, which is abhorrent to the majority of Americans.  Such favoured status can only be granted at the expense of individual rights normally granted to mainstream Americans.  This makes sense only when seen as part of a larger, even more insidious plot.

Readers of these pages are quite familiar with the social implications of evolutionary thinking.  Now, I am not saying that if one holds to evolution he necessarily supports homosexuality.  I am saying, however, that nearly all-homosexual leaders are evolutionists, and when pressed for justification of their homosexual life style and behaviour, homosexual leaders almost always refer to evolution.

"We are descended from animals," they say; "we have certain animal desires that must be satisfied. Few animals mate for life. And many times animals of the same sex interact sexually. And didn’t all bisexual animals evolve from asexual animals?" 

More sophisticated homosexuals would call the homosexual condition a "beneficial mutation."  They are "born gay." Others point to certain animal groups, which lessen their reproduction rate when the population fills the ecological niche.  "This is a way to fulfill one’s sexual needs without overpopulation; this is natural selection in action."  The Bible calls such behaviour "reprobate," and homosexual justifications such as are normally given must deny the Biblical mindset, which is founded in the creation of all things by a holy God, who created mankind male and female, in His image, with proper function in a marriage relationship.

Here in California, the situation is perhaps more prominent than in most places, and is getting worse.  Recently, The Chalkboard, the newsletter of the Gay and Lesbian Educators of Southern California, reported a meeting with Mr. Bill Honig, California State Superintendent of Education.  Mr. Honig, well known for his aggressive advocacy of evolution (as well as his aggressive opposition to creation), invited leading homosexual educators into his San Francisco home to discuss ways of better including the teaching of the homosexual agenda in California public school classrooms (Chalkboard, Vol. 11, No. 8, October; 1988). Evolutionary schools provide fertile ground for homosexuality.  This bodes ill for California, but as is well known, trends set here are usually soon followed by the rest of the country.  Christians must become informed and involved, in order to turn this trend around.

For more . . . .

OLAADEGBU:

It is obvious that there is a connection between being gay and the theory of evolution, which is the religion of atheists. So, I wouldn't be surprised if most atheists on this forum turn out to be LGBT's.

What does God have to say about Gay Animals It is not just a human trait y'know. It seems to be in the genetic blueprint of Creation don't you think? otherwise it would not even surface or die out in successive generations. there have been gays since the times of Noah, likely since the times of Adam (Post Eden)

lagerwhenindoubt:

What does God have to say about Gay Animals It is not just a human trait y'know. It seems to be in the genetic blueprint of Creation don't you think? otherwise it would not even surface or die out in successive generations. there have been gays since the times of Noah, likely since the times of Adam (Post Eden)

Haha! , what about animals, they are just animals, eh, Lgwid.

So also stealing, murdering, raping, adultery, etc they are also in the blue print of creation? please let us use common sense here, being Gay is simply a feeling, a behaviour, no body is programmed to have sex, it is all something that is with in the control of the individual, you say gays have been since the times of Noah, so? Murders have existed since the time of Adam, do you say there is a murder gene? Is this how people go to explain another man's stupidity? Like I said, you might feel tempted in stealing something, but because you have control over yourself you just take a walk, so also being Gay is a choice, it is left to you to act out your feelings or control them. it is good to know around 1975 homosexuality was seen as a mental problem in the US, the mere fact that there are a lot of ailments associated with being gay, only shows how inimical the behaviour is.

      vedax. he was only being rhetorical in response to gbegu's post

It is obvious that there is a connection between being gay and the theory of evolution, which is the religion of atheists.  So, I wouldn't be surprised if most atheists on this forum turn out to be LGBT's

thehomer:

Catholic schools are faith schools too. And as Martian has indicated above, they are also Christians.

We are going in circles, you can have the last say.

Image123:

Can you be more specific?
And how do my 'questions' provide more reasons to think God's not involved with some set of people?
The trend of the OP is that since/if God created homosexuals, then He should not see it as a wrong practice, and that homos should care less, seeing according to your flawed logic, it's God's will. The point now is should poor people and sick people take on such fatalism? Should they revel in poverty as their God-ordained right? Should siamese twins or sickle-cell patients not seek a cure since 'God created it'? When you're done answering these, you won't need my answers. God gave you a brain, yes.

This was your original quote.

Image123:

Why did God make homosexuals? Very funny question. Ask, why did God make poor people, or sickle-cell patients, or those twin babies born with their body parts joined to one another, or people with defects? Do we leave this people and let them be? Does it make their situation normal, or do we try to improve it or correct it, or pray about it, or resolve it with a lot of science research and medicine?

Do you agree that God made all these people this way? If he did, then why did he deliberately make people this way for them to come and suffer on earth? Instead, you shift to trying to encourage people to do what they would still have done even if God was absent. This evades the question of why a good God would inflict such problems on his creations.

wetu:

We are going in circles, you can have the last say.

Thank you. Last say taken.

thehomer:

Huh? Did you know that in Africa, the most common means of HIV transmission is through heterosexual intercourse? Or do you think HIV floats around in air?

oh yeah. We know the above is true and we also know what homo activity could do to hasten it's spread. 

All these fallacious arguments of homosexuality, promoted by these homos and their supporters like u that, homosexuality is an inherent predisposition that one is born with is a lie from the pit of hell. Spiritually, it is immoral and satanic. In Christainity, we call it living in the flesh to the extreme. A sin committed in Sodom and Gormorrah that made God to clear them from the face of the earth. It is abnormal and unnatural.

Ggod never made homos, its the devil that manipulated man's emotions and madehim believe he is differerent from what God made him. if you are homosexual, i pray that God will open the eyes of your mind to see that you are living contrary to nature. he will give you the power to live right. you first have to be willing to acceptthe truth, and decide you will change your lifestyle.

@thehomer
my post is not about whether God made some people a certain way or did not. I left that for you to answer after you've answered the questions that i asked which you quoted.
my position is that homosexuality is a deficiency, an abnormality, a pitiable state. No one should stay in it giving excuses of 'i was born that way, it's my right, why did God create me that way'etc.

This (the back 'n frontin) is getting really worn.

The Question is Why did God Make Homosexuals - Quite Open-ended if you ask me is responsible for the perambulating going on here.
We can break down

1: Did God Create Man in his own Image? (What does this truly mean)
2: Did God Create Man with a Baseline Genetic Code ensuring that his life-sustaining biology remains the same from generation to generation (CAPITAL NO for Non-Evolutionists) baring differences in Race, our Biological remains the same across board.

I have seen Children as little as 5-10 demonstrate extreme affection for same sex even when both parents are straight and narrow. Is the Devil to blame for Homosexuality or is Man responsible. If Man is responsible, is it in his nature (Perhaps a latent/suppressed biological or psychological trait).

lagerwhenindoubt:

I have seen Children as little as 5-10 demonstrate extreme affection for same sex even when both parents are straight and narrow. Is the Devil to blame for Homosexuality or is Man responsible. If Man is responsible, is it in his nature (Perhaps a latent/suppressed biological or psychological trait). 

Affection in what sense? did  u ask yourself what they were watching? or what environmental influence had on them? That only shows why people must be raised properly, kids do all sort of stuff, they are not in a position to really know good from bad, that is why people are given training. At the end of the day, Homosexuality remains a behavior, no amount of evolution this or that can change this common fact, it is a conscious decision people make. the other time na animal  you take dey Justify animosity now na pickin, haba

yommyuk:

oh yeah. We know the above is true and we also know what homo activity could do to hasten it's spread. 

Haste its spread? I just pointed out to you the fact that it's fastest spread in Africa is by heterosexual means.

yommyuk:

All these fallacious arguments of homosexuality, promoted by these homos and their supporters like u that, homosexuality is an inherent predisposition that one is born with is a lie from the pit of hell. Spiritually, it is immoral and satanic. In Christainity, we call it living in the flesh to the extreme. A sin committed in Sodom and Gormorrah that made God to clear them from the face of the earth. It is abnormal and unnatural.

Why don't you actually point out the fallacious argument?
You are simply asserting that people are not inherently predisposed to homosexuality. My simple question to you is whether you have actual evidence supporting this claim? Other than also asserting that God deemed it "abnormal".

yommyuk:

The influence of Homos may be meaningless and of no corcern to you, [b]but to me it makes sense to point out the dangers it poses to a society if allowed to grow. [/b]How will you feel if your daughter/son turns up and tells you that she is getting married to a gay patner, I am absolutely sure that you will joyfully ring all yoour friends, neigbours, grand parents , parents, cousins, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunties, work mates to the grand occasion with pride and delight, won't u?

The only evidence you provide is that STD's are more prevelant which is almost universally valid for African's and decendant's of African's across the planet. Furthermore, from Haiti to Lesotho black communities have disproportionate incidences of crime, substance abuse, and disease compared to local and global counterparts. However, you would not dare suggest that the answer to any of these problems is discrimination against blacks. The answer is education, increase in wealth, and safer sexual practices among other things as it has always been.

As to your second point, no I would not be ecstatic about such news. However, she would still be my daughter and I would love her regardless. I would be disgusted with myself as a parent if I did otherwise. But I plan to have at least three kids so as long as one of them produces grandchildren it would not be a total loss .

yommyuk:

In regards to me working hard and smart is no business of yours and is totally unrelated. What is required is  for people to show their disgust more openly (and not moan  in silence) and stop trying to be politically correct and a sissy. I remember at my place of work, these homos used to openly chat about their digusting life, but thank God my act of silent defiance encouraged others to join in. It stopped. If everybody can stand up like that in every sectors in society, this will run the HOMOs underground. No need for violence, but ones body language is enough to put the message accross.

First of all you were more than happy to inquire after other peoples personal lives or were you not trying to imply that the homosexuals currently in positions of influence should not be there? I simply stated that if you do not want someone in a position of influence they earned fairly, replace them yourself by being more competent. I do not actually care how hard/smart you work.

To your second point, the work place is a inappropriate environment to be talking about personal sexual practices period and you and your coworkers were correct in approaching them about it(assuming you were civil). However, if you think that your situation was bad, then you need to research what women have to go through in the workplace worldwide. Again you are free to show disgust. However, people are free to not want to interact with you afterwards which seems to be what you have a problem with. The same goes for people who show disgust and hatred towards black people. If you do not like the consequences of your actions don't do it.

yommyuk:

Homosexuality and corruption are both evil acts, and it is the fear of speaking out against these acts that encourages the participants to continue it. Look at what is happening in the middle east tday, people are standing up for their rights. It is selfishess and evil to turn a blind eye just because an issue does not directly affect you. It is a typical attitude of a self centred bigot. I call it a mugagbe mindset.

Again, you are afraid of the consequences of your actions. If you are not harassing anyone you are free to say whatever you want about them. No one is going to do anything about it unless you are under some contract. But do not expect people to like you afterwards and whine about it when they do not. If communities do not want to accept someone than that is fine. But any harassment, threats and violence cross the line.

I do not ignore issues simply because they do not affect me. For people who have unsafe intercourse and know the consequences there is nothing more I can do for them beyond warning the other person/s involved. For those who do not, I endeavor to provide information when able. You were the one being selfish and evil when you suggested violently placing individuals into boot/re-education camps because you did not like the way they had consensual intercourse. The answer is not shame, hate and discrimination(and definitely not violence) because we have those in abundance. The answer is to address the reasons they do not practice safe sex. Do people simply think they cannot catch something? Do they think they can manage if they do? This is a real solution to the problem.

i see the lager way. lager doesn't like parambulating but he seems to like hypocrisy. You can clearly see the 'God created man in His image' part, but you're waiting for who'll point out the 'fall of man into the sin nature' part. Enjoy your hypocrisy.