MaxInDHouse:
John saw the highlighted STANDING on mount Zion with the lamb of God having TWO names (not three) on their foreheads. {Revelations 14:1} meaning they believe that JEHOVAH is the father of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not a person so only TWO names suffice!
So if you can't STAND UP for any well known doctrine it simply means you're parallel with the ground according to Jesus you are dead spiritually speaking! Luke 9:60

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES God will bless you guys for me o!

Please where are you getting your interpretation from ........where is the two names written on their heads coming from...........

This is NKJV.....
Rev.14.1 - Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.



Please put your own JW Bible Chapter/verse here. Thank you.

bixton:



Please where are you getting your interpretation from ........where is the two names written on their heads coming from...........

This is NKJV.....
Rev.14.1 - Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.



Please put your own JW Bible Chapter/verse here. Thank you.

Revelation 3:12 supports NWT rendition.
It's very correct

Revelation 3:12
12 “‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name"

The Screenshot evidence attached, is further AUTHENTIC proof.
KJV versions of Revelation 14:1 is not accurate.
Texts Receptus manuscripts is like a pan with many dents.
The dents must manifest in every baked production.


Shalom.

Janosky:


Revelation 3:12 supports NWT rendition.
It's very correct

Revelation 3:12
12 “‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name"

The Screenshot evidence attached, is further AUTHENTIC proof.
KJV versions of Revelation 14:1 is not accurate.
Texts Receptus manuscripts is like a pan with many dents.
The dents must manifest in every baked production.


Shalom.

Interesting.......
Just so you know dents no matter what can't limit the power of God in His children.

So whose 2 names not 3 will be written on the heads of the 144000?

MaxInDHouse:
John saw the highlighted STANDING on mount Zion with the lamb of God having TWO names (not three) on their foreheads. {Revelations 14:1} meaning they believe that JEHOVAH is the father of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not a person so only TWO names suffice!
So if you can't STAND UP for any well known doctrine it simply means you're parallel with the ground according to Jesus you are dead spiritually speaking! Luke 9:60

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES God will bless you guys for me o!

false jw mad max, oh horizontal one

God is Holy (Psa_99:9) God is a Spirit (john 4:24) = God is the Holy Spirit

if anyone say like your fore fathers the pharisees said: that the Holy Spirit in Jesus is
the spirit of beelzebub/the devil (Mat 12:24) then their blasphemy will never be forgiven

and yet you say the Holy Spirit is not a person/is not God

there is no fool like a false jw fool, believing all your deceived masters tell you



Psa_99:9  Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mat 12:24  But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

johnw47:


jw mad max, oh horizontal one

God is Holy (Psa_99:9) God is a Spirit (john 4:24) = God is the Holy Spirit

if anyone say like your fore fathers the pharisees said: that the Holy Spirit in Jesus is
the spirit of beelzebub/the devil (Mat 12:24) then their blasphemy will never be forgiven

and yet you say the Holy Spirit is not a person/is not God

[s]there is no fool like a false jw fool, believing all your deceived masters tell you
[/s]


Psa_99:9  Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mat 12:24  But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

You resort to sweeten post with a FALSE claim .
Jesus Christ replied you and the Pharisees
@ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you"

The finger of God is not a person just as the eyes/ears of God is not a person.

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself .

bixton:


Interesting.......
Just so you know dents no matter what can't limit the power of God in His children.

So whose 2 names not 3 will be written on the heads of the 144000?

Revelation 14:1 and Revelation 3:12 is in your Bible but you have a fondness for argument.

Peter is not a Jehovah false witness.
A dog like you and Jehovah witness governing council can never be yahweh's witness.
You are are brood of vipers and liars like your father the devil.

Janosky:


Continue DECEIVING yourselves, 3 dogheads worshippers console themselves


* Acts 15:7-9,13-14
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: (F)“Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8 So God, (G)who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by (H)giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,
9 (I)and made no distinction between us and them, (J)purifying their hearts by faith. .
13 And after they had [c]become silent, (N)James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 (O)Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

*** QUESTION:
2 Chro7:14, Acts 15:6-14, Acts 18:10, Acts 2:44, Isaiah 43:10-12, 21, Which Church are Peter, Barnabas, Paul and Simeon members?

*** ANSWER
Jehovah's witnesses ,-"the Organized Church/ people formed by Jehovah to declare His praise."

JWs continue to declare praise to Jehovah the Most High God.

Bros, Continue to worship your 3 dogheads

livingchrist:
Peter is not a Jehovah false witness.
A dog like you and Jehovah witness governing council can never be yahweh's witness.
You are are brood of vipers and liars like your father the devil.

For calling a human being a "dog", bros you stepped out of line.

May Jehovah in his infinite mercies, forgive you.

Matthew12:15-18,Acts 3:12-15 & Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) Peter is a JW, a servant of Jehovah, just as Jesus is Servant of Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Until you prove to this forum that Acts 3:12-15, Matthew 12:15-18 & Isaiah 43: 10-12 is not in your Bible, every expletives in your post applies to you.

Whenever i notice little kids like that one i just ignore because they don't make any research they only want to argue!

Janosky:

Revelation 14:1 and Revelation 3:12 is in your Bible but you have a fondness for argument.

Janosky:

Revelation 14:1 and Revelation 3:12 is in your Bible but you have a fondness for argument.

And you can't show me what is written in your Bible as it is?

Janosky:


For calling a human being a "dog", bros you stepped out of line.

May Jehovah in his infinite mercies, forgive you.

Matthew12:15-18,Acts 3:12-15 & Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) Peter is a JW, a servant of Jehovah, just as Jesus is Servant of Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Until you prove to this forum that Acts 3:12-15, Matthew 12:15-18 & Isaiah 43: 10-12 is not in your Bible, every expletives in your post applies to you.

It's easy to say Peter is a JW but you can never say or admit that Peter is a witness to Christ!!!!!!

bixton:




It's easy to say Peter is a JW but you can never say or admit that Peter is a witness to Christ!!!!!!

You saw my reference to Acts3:12-15, but you have proven your fondness for argument.

Issorait !

MaxInDHouse:
Whenever i notice little kids like that one i just ignore because they don't make any research they only want to argue!

You're calling another little kids...

Where are you making your research from?

Janosky:

You saw my reference to Acts3:12-15, but you have proven your fondness for argument.

Issorait !

Yes I'm fond of arguing.

There's actually no argument about Acts 3:12:15.



I hope also you don't have to argue this!!!!

John.14.6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me

bixton:


Yes I'm fond of arguing.

There's actually no argument about Acts 3:12:15.



I hope also you don't have to argue this!!!!

John.14.6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me

JWs wholeheartedly agree with Jesus Christ at John 14:6...
John 14:6 is a clear proof Jesus Christ is NOT the only true God, John 20:17.

O boy JWs don't just stick to the NWT we read other versions to be sure that what our leaders translated is trust worthy.
My brother posted almost six different Bible translations to prove that you're just here to argue, you never did any research!

bixton:

You're calling another little kids...
Where are you making your research from?

Janosky:


JWs wholeheartedly agree with Jesus Christ at John 14:6...
John 14:6 is a clear proof Jesus Christ is NOT the only true God, John 20:17.

Probably it's our usage of english at times and our individual interpretations leading us to understand. I can liken your bolded statement as an interpretation from you in order to explain to me. It's the same way those who stand by the Trinity interpretation in trying to make an explanation known.





Maybe I'm mistaken but I do not think Jesus Christ called Himself God or equated Himself to His Father.

The instances where Jesus says "I AM" is an attribute of being in ONE-NESS with the Father.


We will all only err in our interpretation/understanding but the Scripture can't be changed.


1Cor.8.6 - yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

Phil.2.5 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Phil.2.6 - who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Phil.2.9 - Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,




That is not to say that the Trinity interpretation is not correct. It only depends on the context of which it is been explained.



There's only One God and Jesus is His Son.

MaxInDHouse:
O boy JWs don't just stick to the NWT we read other versions to be sure that what our leaders translated is trust worthy.
My brother posted almost six different Bible translations to prove that you're just here to argue, you never did any research!

Is that what you call research.......
You do not need 20 different translations to know which is right, wrong , incomplete or even an expanded interpretation of one man/group of people understanding of what they have read.

I hope you have read my next comment I wrote to your brother. Hope that settles our discussion.

According to the Bible itself the converts that comes from Beroea were more noble minded than those from Thessalonica.
WHY? They didn't just believe what the Apostles were teaching them simply because the Apostles performed miracles rather they cross-checked the scriptures to be certain that it's true! Act 17:11

Do you think those Beroeans will only read the scripture copied by one or two Scribes?
NO! They will certainly compared and contrast the works of different copyists before coming to conclusion. Because as at that time the Jews themselves were contradicting one another over who the Messiah (Christ) will be or what he will stand for. So it's not easy for a new convert to know which copyist or Rabbi is teaching the right thing and the Christians were also coming up with yet another form of teaching that's different all together!
That's why you need to compare different versions of the Bible to ascertain what the big book has for you!

bixton:

Is that what you call research.......
You do not need 20 different translations to know which is right, wrong , incomplete or even an expanded interpretation of one man/group of people understanding of what they have read.
I hope you have read my next comment I wrote to your brother. Hope that settles our discussion.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible itself the converts that comes from Beroea were more noble minded than those from Thessalonica.
WHY? They didn't just believe what the Apostles were teaching them simply because the Apostles performed miracles rather they cross-checked the scriptures to be certain that it's true! Act 17:11

Do you think those Beroeans will only read the scripture copied by one or two Scribes?
NO! They will certainly compared and contrast the works of different copyists before coming to conclusion. Because as at that time the Jews themselves were contradicting one another over who the Messiah (Christ) will be or what he will stand for. So it's not easy for a new convert to know which copyist or Rabbi is teaching the right thing and the Christians were also coming up with yet another form of teaching that's different all together!
That's why you need to compare different versions of the Bible to ascertain what the big book has for you!

I try as much as possible not to assume certain things. The Bereans studied the Scripture that's what is written. There's no history that tells anyone that there were several versions of the Scripture as at the time of the Bereans.

What was the language of the Bereans and in what language was the Scripture written as at the time the Bereans were doing their Scriptural research?

Greek was the dominant language so the NT was written in Greek. To make the Scripture in written copies giving access to those of that era certain persons were appointed to transcribe the Original.

Every other copy made from the transcribed falls into the version referred to as a translated copy which gives us the different versions you speak of.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you're truly a wise student!

Now think of the different versions Janosky posted, surely they were all in English but from different translators. That's exactly the same thing Scribes does back then, they copy the scriptures and since the original Hebrew language Moses spoke with the Israelites in his own time wasn't understood anymore by some of the Israelites after returning from Babylon, the Scribes need to translate from Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek. Don't forget that if you and i were given the same write-up to translate form either Hausa, Ibo or Yorùbá to English we must apply our own understanding to the best of our knowledge in delivering the job.

That's why you can't find the scriptures exactly the same way because each Scribe (copyist) will have to apply his own understanding. The same thing applies today!

bixton:

I try as much as possible not to assume certain things. The Bereans studied the Scripture that's what is written. There's no history that tells anyone that there were several versions of the Scripture as at the time of the Bereans.

What was the language of the Bereans and in what language was the Scripture written as at the time the Bereans were doing their Scriptural research?

Greek was the dominant language so the NT was written in Greek. To make the Scripture in written copies giving access to those of that era certain persons were appointed to transcribe the Original.

Every other copy made from the transcribed falls into the version referred to as a translated copy which gives us the different versions you speak of.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you're truly a wise student!

Now think of the different versions Janosky posted, surely they were all in English but from different translators. That's exactly the same thing Scribes does back then, they copy the scriptures and since the original Hebrew language Moses spoke with the Israelites in his own time wasn't understood anymore by some of the Israelites after returning from Babylon, the Scribes need to translate from Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek. Don't forget that if you and i were given the same write-up to translate form either Hausa, Ibo or Yorùbá to English we must apply our own understanding to the best of our knowledge in delivering the job.

That's why you can't find the scriptures exactly the same way because each Scribe (copyist) will have to apply his own understanding. The same thing applies today!

Remember others are reading our comments.Try not to bring confusion even in this simple thing.

I deliberately used transcribe and translate . I hope we all know what it means to transcribe.

Let's move to translate........
Let me tow your line of knowing.......

Translation is not (necessarily) in ones understanding but ability to interpret as it is or something nearest/closest to it's meaning or most appropriate word as said in waec english exam.


Assuming you understand Ibo language though I'm not from igbo...........so I may be corrected by those who know the language better.

I boola chi//// I saa la chi ......it's a typical greeting. The one who teaches you like this to greet interprets the language well.



Ututu Oma.........the one who teaches you like this to greet only understands his language.

Janosky:


You resort to sweeten post with a FALSE claim .
Jesus Christ replied you and the Pharisees
@ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you"

The finger of God is not a person just as the eyes/ears of God is not a person.

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself .

smiling, fool false jw janosky u r taking figurative speaking and using it as literal,
believing that figurative finger = literal Holy Spirit

you big dum dum false jw, aren't you mumu
there is no fool like a false jw fool

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


truly most duh janosky, the Holy spirit is not a finger

Janosky:


You resort to sweeten post with a FALSE claim .
Jesus Christ replied you and the Pharisees
@ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you"

The finger of God is not a person just as the eyes/ears of God is not a person.

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself .

oh most confused know nothing false jw janosky

Luk 11:20  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

truly most duh false jw the Holy Spirit is not the literal finger of God, it's figuratively speaking



Joh_1:29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

and big dum dum janosky, Jesus Christ is not literally a lamb




Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

If you're able to understand it's OK!

bixton:




Remember others are reading our comments.Try not to bring confusion even in this simple thing.

I deliberately used transcribe and translate . I hope we all know what it means to transcribe.

Let's move to translate........
Let me tow your line of knowing.......

Translation is not (necessarily) in ones understanding but ability to interpret as it is or something nearest/closest to it's meaning or most appropriate word as said in waec english exam.


Assuming you understand Ibo language though I'm not from igbo...........so I may be corrected by those who know the language better.

I boola chi//// I saa la chi ......it's a typical greeting. The one who teaches you like this to greet interprets the language well.



Ututu Oma.........the one who teaches you like this to greet only understands his language.

johnw47:



[s]oh most confused know nothing false jw janosky[/s]

Luk 11:20  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

truly most duh false jw the Holy Spirit is not the literal finger of God, it's figuratively speaking



Joh_1:29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

and big dum dum janosky, Jesus Christ is not literally a lamb

[s]Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

According to your FALSEHOOD, the eyes & ears of God is also figurative.
This WAYO Bros says the eyes and ears of God is figurative,as if Exodus 2:23-25 no dey him Bible.
If your 3 idol dogheads no get eyes and ears,no wahala


Psalm 8:3
When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;

Isaiah 48:13
“Surely My hand founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;
When I call to them, they stand together.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O Jehovah, You are our Father,
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand.

Exodus 31:18

When He had finished speaking with him upon Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.

"Lamb of God" is popular in the holy scroll of Revelation.
Where did you see Luke 11:20 "finger of God"? mentioned in Revelation ?

Imperfect mumu LIENUS pretends he knows spiritual realm more than Jesus Christ.

LYING Dullard DECEIVING himself

Janosky:

According to your FALSEHOOD, the eyes & ears of God is also figurative.
This WAYO Bros says the eyes and ears of God is figurative,as if Exodus 2:23-25 no dey him Bible.
If your 3 idol dogheads no get eyes and ears,no wahala


Psalm 8:3
When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;

[b]Isaiah 48:13
“Surely My hand founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;
When I call to them, they stand together.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O Jehovah, You are our Father,
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand.

Exodus 31:18

When He had finished speaking with him upon Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.

"Lamb of God" is popular in the holy scroll of Revelation.
Where did you see Luke 11:20 "finger of God"? mentioned in Revelation ?

Imperfect mumu LIENUS pretends he knows spiritual realm more than Jesus Christ.

LYING Dullard DECEIVING himself

not all there know nothing false jw janosky

laughing

God's fingers is not the Holy Spirit, it's figurative speaking

and again God's hand and right hand is not the Holy Spirit, it's figurative speaking

truly, written by God's finger is figurative

really Jesus is not literally a Lamb



talk about imperfect mumu lienus, lying dullard deceiving himself < that's you alright, oh hearer of voices false jw janosky


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:


[s]not all there know nothing false jw janosky

laughing

God's fingers is not the Holy Spirit, it's figurative speaking

and again God's hand and right hand is not the Holy Spirit, it's figurative speaking

truly, written by God's finger is figurative

really Jesus is not literally a Lamb



talk about imperfect mumu lienus, lying dullard deceiving himself < that's you alright, oh hearer of voices false jw janosky


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

Breeze done blow...... Truth will out.
We done see wetin fowl dey hide..
Holy spirit is God's right hand because holy spirit is not a person.
You can't even recall that Jesus is at God's right hand.
Please tell this forum Wetin dey God's left hand?
Trinity sold your thinking cap.
WAYO Bros can continue DECEIVING himself.

Janosky:

Breeze done blow...... Truth will out.
We done see wetin fowl dey hide..
Holy spirit is God's right hand because holy spirit is not a person.
You can't even recall that Jesus is at God's right hand.
Please tell this forum Wetin dey God's left hand?
Trinity sold your thinking cap.
WAYO Bros can continue DECEIVING himself.

oh so confused and not all there know nothing false jw janosky

your voices seem to be stuck on hands and uncontrolable babble, of course



Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

run run run run runaway

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

There is no need for this unnecessary arguments since we all agreed that Jesus was raised from the dead, the next move should be how to reach people out there with the good news that there is hope of a resurrection. Jesus died and was raised back to life so let each and every believer of this good news go out there and make disciples from all nations teaching them to observe all what Jesus taught because through faith in Christ Jesus the dead will be raised to live again!
Matthew 28:19-20
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
There is no need for this unnecessary arguments since we all agreed that Jesus was raised from the dead, the next move should be how to reach people out there with the good news that there is hope of a resurrection. Jesus died and was raised back to life so let each and every believer of this good news go out there and make disciples from all nations teaching them to observe all what Jesus taught because through faith in Christ Jesus the dead will be raised to live again!
Matthew 28:19-20
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Jehovah false witness do not believe in Jesus physical resurrection