Ever wondered why the Bible refers to John as the disciple whom Jesus loves? Do you think John is more special to Jesus than the rest?

Well, Jesus loves all of His disciples equally. Why then was John referred to as that? Because it's only in John's own book that phrase is found. John called himself that. In his book and other books, I've not found where John boasted of his love for Jesus. He boasted on Jesus' love for him

Peter on the other hand, boasted of his love for Jesus. He even said in the presence of the rest that "if all these betray you, I'll never betray you"

John was always leaning on Jesus. When you are conscious of Jesus' love for you, you'll always lean on Jesus. When Jesus said someone will betray Him, even Peter who boasted of his love for Jesus had to motion John who was leaning on Jesus to ask who it was. Why didn't Peter just ask Jesus? Why did he feel that distance that he had to ask John?

And when Jesus was arrested, the one who boasted of his love for Jesus was the one who denied Jesus and was nowhere to be found when Jesus was crucified. On the other hand, the one who boasted of Jesus' love for him was with Jesus even at the cross. Jesus even gave His mother, Mary, to John. Jesus used John.

Among all the disciples, who did Jesus ask if he loved Him three times? Why was Peter who used to boast of his love for Jesus now the one who Jesus had to ask if he loved Him three times?

And why was John, the disciple whom Jesus loves, the one to get the revelation about the Book of Revelation?

When you boast of your love for God, you strive and strive and usually end up not fulfilling that first commandment. But when you boast of God's love for you, when you're filled with how much He loves you and sees you, you'll naturally fall in love with Him and end up loving yourself and others. You'll end up leaning on Him just like John did. And with the sense of God's love for you, knowing He loves you unconditionally, and He sees you as His daughter/son, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a sinning spree.
1 John 4:19

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... perfect love drives out fear...1 John 4:18. And there's only One who loves perfectly!

LisaAnneMia:
... perfect love drives out fear...1 John 4:18. And there's only One who loves perfectly!

Very true

LisaAnneMia:
... . And there's only One who loves perfectly!

Not True, Abraham attained it, Job attained it, Moses attained, David attained, the Disciples attained it!

Dtruthspeaker:


Not True, Abraham attained it, Job attained it, Moses attained, David attained, the Disciples attained it!

The Love of God drives out fear cos it's perfect. So I don't understand what you're talking about

Thattallgirl:
The Love of God drives out fear cos it's perfect. So I don't understand what you're talking about

Abi

Dtruthspeaker:


Not True, Abraham attained it, Job attained it, Moses attained, David attained, the Disciples attained it!

Bible verses?

LisaAnneMia:
Abi Bible verses?

Moses you already know spoke with God, same Abraham, let's not forget Abimelech, and all the others.

Remember it is The Law that
"The Lord Is Near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. Psalm 145:

Nice thread. God is love !!

Thattallgirl:
The Love of God drives out fear cos it's perfect. So I don't understand what you're talking about

It does drive out fear,.I did not contest this, what I however contested is where she said "And there's only One who loves perfectly"

We too have the ability to love perfectly if we try, which is why we are counseled

"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." 1 John 4:17.

Akube1z:
Nice thread.
God is love !!

No Greater Love is there!

Dtruthspeaker:


Moses you already know spoke with God, same Abraham, let's not forget Abimelech, and all the others.

Remember it is The Law that
"The Lord Is Near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. Psalm 145:

I'm talking about God's love here, what are u talking about? Quite confused

Dtruthspeaker:


It does drive out fear,.I did not contest this, what I however contested is where she said "And there's only One who loves perfectly"

We too have the ability to love perfectly if we try, which is why we are counseled

"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." 1 John 4:17.

Ohh I understand your point. And just like you said, "As He is..." This shows we can only get there when we behold Him...but still it isn't perfect cos we still make mistakes.

LisaAnneMia:
I'm talking about God's love here, what are u talking about? Quite confused

I know but A Perfect Love is Only Perfect when the Loved, loves Perfectly Also.

It is not in dispute that God Loved us Fully and Perfectly, but did we love Him back? No

Have we done unto what He has done unto Us?

Therefore, The Love is One-Sided and Imbalanced Exactly as A Man who loveth a woman who does not love him back.

But the Love Circle is Complete and Perfect when The Be-Loved, Truly and Fully Loves Back!

Thattallgirl:
Ohh I understand your point. And just like you said, "As He is..." This shows we can only get there when we behold Him...but still it isn't perfect cos we still make mistakes.

We ought to stop making mistakes having made the mistakes before!

Dtruthspeaker:


We ought to stop making mistakes having made the mistakes before!

I believe we can't. God's love transforms us from the inside out and even at that, due to our human nature, we still fail. But the Lord is right there to pick us up whenever.

Thattallgirl:
I believe we can't. God's love transforms us from the inside out and even at that, due to our human nature, we still fail. But the Lord is right there to pick us up whenever.

You have Spoken the words of Truth at the highlighted, yet you still make errors.

Do you not appreciate that man is a "Soul" (Unseen hence spirit) only wearing clothes called skin or flesh?

Thus, you make the mistake of thinking and allowing your clothes to control you rather than you, Your True spirit you, controlling your clothes Exactly as allowing your hair, dresses, earrings, rings, shoes to control you, which you know every reasonable person has condemned already saying 'how can my car have power over me or my phone, shoes, watch etc?"

So also does your flesh not have power to rule over you, if you do not want it too.

Which is why I laid down that Abimelech, Abraham, Job, Joseph, etc achieved it and they were human too on this same world and hence as the Bible has forewarned, As Usual, "We are without Excuse and and D'fence!"

We can stop making mistakes if we truly do not want to, for we have done it even over things that do not give us Life eg Dressing, Clubbing, Gluttony, Greed.

How much more then shall we not be able to overcome the things which prevent us from Acquiring Life and the Completion of the Perfect Love of God?

Dtruthspeaker:


You have Spoken the words of Truth at the highlighted, yet you still make errors.

Do you not appreciate that man is a "Soul" (Unseen hence spirit) only wearing clothes called skin or flesh?

Thus, you make the mistake of thinking and allowing your clothes to control you rather than you, Your True spirit you, controlling your clothes Exactly as allowing your hair, dresses, earrings, rings, shoes to control you, which you know every reasonable person has condemned already saying 'how can my car have power over me or my phone, shoes, watch etc?"

So also does your flesh not have power to rule over you, if you do not want it too.

Which is why I laid down that Abimelech, Abraham, Job, Joseph, etc achieved it and they were human too on this same world and hence as the Bible has forewarned, As Usual, "We are without Excuse and and D'fence!"

We can stop making mistakes if we truly do not want to, for we have done it even over things that do not give us Life eg Dressing, Clubbing, Gluttony, Greed.

How much more then shall we not be able to overcome the things which prevent us from Acquiring Life and the Completion of the Perfect Love of God?

Good afternoon brother/sister.

You are really mixing up the GOSPEL TRUTH, hence, your argument is starkly against the truth... Your problem is that: you seem to think that you can BYE PASS the FINISHED WORKS of Christ Jesus on the CROSS, and by your HUMAN STRENGTH, WISDOM AND POWER you can serve God. Forgetting however, that true power, is found only in CHRIST JESUS. please know this and know it for good, that whatever you do, by your human strength and power, is nothing but a filthy rag before God(SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS). Without the HOLY SPIRIT in us through Christ Jesus, we are all death and no one can do anything or function without Christ.

Just hope I didn't come too hard on you. If I did however, I'm so sorry as it is not intended...I only wished there was a better way to convey my message...Thanks and God bless you

Dtruthspeaker:


You have Spoken the words of Truth at the highlighted, yet you still make errors.

Do you not appreciate that man is a "Soul" (Unseen hence spirit) only wearing clothes called skin or flesh?

Thus, you make the mistake of thinking and allowing your clothes to control you rather than you, Your True spirit you, controlling your clothes Exactly as allowing your hair, dresses, earrings, rings, shoes to control you, which you know every reasonable person has condemned already saying 'how can my car have power over me or my phone, shoes, watch etc?"

So also does your flesh not have power to rule over you, if you do not want it too.

Which is why I laid down that Abimelech, Abraham, Job, Joseph, etc achieved it and they were human too on this same world and hence as the Bible has forewarned, As Usual, "We are without Excuse and and D'fence!"

We can stop making mistakes if we truly do not want to, for we have done it even over things that do not give us Life eg Dressing, Clubbing, Gluttony, Greed.

How much more then shall we not be able to overcome the things which prevent us from Acquiring Life and the Completion of the Perfect Love of God?

But you first quoted 1 John 4:17 which says that as He is so are we, not "as He is, so we should try to be"...the context of the verse is just like a mirror. The person on the other side of the mirror is Jesus. And exactly as He is, so are we. We cannot achieve His love or acquire it. We simply behold His love and believe by faith that we are who Jesus is, cos faith is calling the things that are not as though they are. And with this belief, there's no way the flesh can have control over you. It's what I believe anyway.

And as for Abraham, Abimelech and the rest u mentioned, is there a Bible verse(s) that says "they achieved" or "acquired" the love of God?

Kingdomtruth:


Good afternoon brother/sister.

You are really mixing up the GOSPEL TRUTH, hence, your argument is starkly against the truth... Your problem is that: you seem to think that you can BYE PASS the FINISHED WORKS of Christ Jesus on the CROSS, and by your HUMAN STRENGTH, WISDOM AND POWER you can serve God. Forgetting however, that true power, is found only in CHRIST JESUS. please know this and know it for good, that whatever you do, by your human strength and power, is nothing but a filthy rag before God(SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS). Without the HOLY SPIRIT in us through Christ Jesus, we are all death and no one can do anything or function without Christ.

Just hope I didn't come too hard on you. If I did however, I'm so sorry as it is not intended...I only wished there was a better way to convey my message...Thanks and God bless you

Thank you for this!

Dtruthspeaker:


I know but A Perfect Love is Only Perfect when the Loved, loves Perfectly Also.

It is not in dispute that God Loved us Fully and Perfectly, but did we love Him back? No

Have we done unto what He has done unto Us?

Therefore, The Love is One-Sided and Imbalanced Exactly as A Man who loveth a woman who does not love him back.

But the Love Circle is Complete and Perfect when The Be-Loved, Truly and Fully Loves Back!

I got your point. I believe it's impossible to love God as much as He loves you though. He alone loves unconditionally. Even while being sinners, He loved us. John 3:16.

Thattallgirl:
I believe we can't. God's love transforms us from the inside out and even at that, due to our human nature, we still fail. But the Lord is right there to pick us up whenever.

Good afternoon the TALLEST ONE. Your post was so apt and on point base on the GOSPEL TRUTH. However, I want you to know that: it's possible to live in God's kind of righteousness and become perfect at it...But understand that: no one can do it by their HUMAN POWER, STRENGTH OR WISDOM. When you try to use your power, strength or wisdom, you will fall FLAT and will continue to do so until the enemy completely destroys you. Like I said, it is possible but ONLY by the power of the SPIRIT that continues to transform us from one degree of GLORY unto another, until we are made complete and perfect unto the IMAGE and LIKENESS of CHRIST JESUS. We will always fall 'spiritual babies' because of the weakness of the FLESH. But the SPIRIT, will continue to change us until we are completely made PERFECT and mature in Christ Jesus with time.It is all about the SPIRIT my friend...God bless you and do have a great day ahead.Thanks

Kingdomtruth:


Good afternoon brother/sister.

You are really mixing up the GOSPEL TRUTH, hence, your argument is starkly against the truth... Your problem is that: you seem to think that you can BYE PASS the FINISHED WORKS of Christ Jesus on the CROSS, and by your HUMAN STRENGTH, WISDOM AND POWER you can serve God. Forgetting however, that true power, is found only in CHRIST JESUS. please know this and know it for good, that whatever you do, by your human strength and power, is nothing but a filthy rag before God(SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS). Without the HOLY SPIRIT in us through Christ Jesus, we are all death and no one can do anything or function without Christ.

Just hope I didn't come too hard on you. If I did however, I'm so sorry as it is not intended...I only wished there was a better way to convey my message...Thanks and God bless you

I understand your intentions are good, so no offence taken.

Thus, remember we were very close to this difference in our last discussion which you were not comfortable in proceeding into and I respectfully veered away, so now it has come up yet again.

I do not bypass the finished work of Christ I rather affirm that the work is Indeed Finished!

Then the reasonable question is, What Work? Can they not be identified? Having identified it what are we to do with it? When we do it, what is the True result? Do we have that result?

It is Written "by their Fruit, we shall know them".

It is The Law "A Good Tree Shall and Must Bear Good Fruit and an Evil Tree must and shall bear Evil Fruit".

Your fruit, is inconsistent with the Tree, if Christ is Truly Your Vine!

This is one of my basis for my response because Truth is Always Consistent as 1+1=2 in every nation, in every generation!

I do respectfully object that your 1+1 is not equal to 2 when ye say "our human nature makes us fall" or "we still make mistakes"!

The Law is, we Are Supposed to Be Perfect as our Father in Heaven is.

And we can be, IF WE WANT!

And you throw Righteousness at me as though I have ever claimed to be the Owner or Author of Righteousness, I am not the owner of righteousness, I have Only Righteousness to know that RIGHTEOUSNESS ALWAYS MEANS RIGHTNESS AND GOODNESS WITHOUT DEVIATION OR VARIATION!

Knowing this, I therefore knew that Righteousness is Doable, all that it requires is Exactly as the hymn says "To know the Right to do". Let me find the hymn!

Kingdomtruth:


Good afternoon the TALLEST ONE. Your post was so apt and on point base on the GOSPEL TRUTH. However, I want you to know that: it's possible to live in God's kind of righteousness and become perfect at it...But understand that: no one can do it by their HUMAN POWER, STRENGTH OR WISDOM. When you try to use your power, strength or wisdom, you will fall FLAT and will continue to do so until the enemy completely destroys you. Like I said, it is possible but ONLY by the power of the SPIRIT that continues to transform us from one degree of GLORY unto another, until we are made complete and perfect unto the IMAGE and LIKENESS of CHRIST JESUS. We will always fall 'spiritual babies' because of the weakness of the FLESH. But the SPIRIT, will continue to change us until we are completely made PERFECT and mature in Christ Jesus with time.It is all about the SPIRIT my friend...God bless you and do have a great day ahead.Thanks

I completely agree

Thattallgirl:
But you first quoted 1 John 4:17 which says that as He is so are we, not "as He is, so we should try to be"...

Now you have fallen on your own Stake for did Christ ever fail with his human nature or say "due to our human nature, we still fail.? Or Did Christ ever "make mistakes"?

So you can not claim to be like Him

Thattallgirl:

And as for Abraham, Abimelech and the rest u mentioned, is there a Bible verse(s) that says "they achieved" or "acquired" the love of God?

"Mark the Perfect man and behold the Upright; for the end of that man is Peace." Psalm 37:37.

"The Law of his God is in his heart; NONE OF HIS STEPS STEPS SHALL SLIDE! verse 31.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you have fallen on your own Stake for did Christ ever fail with his human nature or say "due to our human nature, we still fail.? Or Did Christ ever "make mistakes"?

So you can not claim to be like Him



"Mark the Perfect man and behold the Upright; for the end of that man is Peace." Psalm 37:37.

"The Law of his God is in his heart; NONE OF HIS STEPS STEPS SHALL SLIDE! verse 31.

Lol I can't claim to be like Him? So is 1 John 4:17 wrong?

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you have fallen on your own Stake for did Christ ever fail with his human nature or say "due to our human nature, we still fail.? Or Did Christ ever "make mistakes"?

So you can not claim to be like Him



"Mark the Perfect man and behold the Upright; for the end of that man is Peace." Psalm 37:37.

"The Law of his God is in his heart; NONE OF HIS STEPS STEPS SHALL SLIDE! verse 31.

Yes the law of God is in His heart (Psalm 37:31 KJV), but who put it there?

Dtruthspeaker:


I understand your intentions are good, so no offence taken.

Thus, remember we were very close to this difference in our last discussion which you were not comfortable in proceeding into and I respectfully veered away, so now it has come up yet again.

I do not bypass the finished work of Christ I rather affirm that the work is Indeed Finished!

Then the reasonable question is, What Work? Can they not be identified? Having identified it what are we to do with it? When we do it, what is the True result? Do we have that result?

It is Written "by their Fruit, we shall know them".

It is The Law "A Good Tree Shall and Must Bear Good Fruit and an Evil Tree must and shall bear Evil Fruit".

Your fruit, is inconsistent with the Tree, if Christ is Truly Your Vine!

This is one of my basis for my response because Truth is Always Consistent as 1+1=2 in every nation, in every generation!

I do respectfully object that your 1+1 is not equal to 2 when ye say "our human nature makes us fall" or "we still make mistakes"!

The Law is, we Are Supposed to Be Perfect as our Father in Heaven is.

And we can be, IF WE WANT!

And you throw Righteousness at me as though I have ever claimed to be the Owner or Author of Righteousness, I am not the owner of righteousness, I have Only Righteousness to know that RIGHTEOUSNESS ALWAYS MEANS RIGHTNESS AND GOODNESS WITHOUT DEVIATION OR VARIATION!

Knowing this, I therefore knew that Righteousness is Doable, all that it requires is Exactly as the hymn says "To know the Right to do". Let me find the hymn!

Laughing! @ " OWNER OR AUTHOR OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"...So, I think we can talk about this once again, at least, just to set the record straight about the GOSPEL TRUTH we share.

You see my friend, I think you should know more about the FLESH. In your previous comment with the OP that I quoted, you spoke of it as if it was something you could just get rid of, if you wanted. As if disciplining or controlling your mind to obey God's commandments can achieve that either. This is the very point I stand against in line with the word of God...My friend, you need to know, that this FLESH( sinful nature or human nature) is not something you can conquer on your own. If any body could do that on their own, then, there was no point/need for Christ coming. He came, in order to conquer/defeat the FLESH in us by nailing it to the CROSS. So that: you and I, can now bear good fruit to God in HOLINESS/RIGHTEOUSNESS the right and proper way God wants of us through our union with CHRIST JESUS.

ABOUT THE FLESH...This FLESH, is an EVIL SPIRIT, the very EVIL SPIRIT of the DEVIL, that is controlling you and every other human being to SIN and OPPOSE God. This EVIL SPIRIT/POWER, is more powerful than you and no any human activity can set you free from Him. The only remedy is DEATH...Just as in the law of marriage that: a woman is legally joint in marriage together with her husband only until DEATH do them part...Meaning in the EYES of GOD, a couple remain ONE with each other and cannot separate until DEATH...In the same way, we were to live together with the FLESH(DEVIL controlling us to SIN against God) until we die. But if anyone, dies with that EVIL SPIRIT in him, such a person will not see the 'kingdom of God'. Reason why God sent Christ to come and conquer that EVIL SPIRIT in us through his DEATH on the cross, so that you and I can be free to serve God the right way...Anything other than this, is a FRUITLESS EFFORT. I tell you my friend, NO ONE and NOTHING can ever separate you from that FLESH...Meaning you can't handle SIN or manage it on your own without Christ...Because it was His death that set us FREE and took away the FLESH in us...I HOPE THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH?...Thanks

Thattallgirl:
I completely agree

God help us all I pray

Thattallgirl:
Yes the law of God is in His heart (Psalm 37:31 KJV), but who put it there?

You have deviated from the issue for the issue is and was about us being as Perfect as Christ was, citing Abraham and Co as examples.

Dtruthspeaker:


You have deviated from the issue for the issue is and was about us being as Perfect as Christ was, citing Abraham and Co as examples.

I just had to ask. I hope you know Abraham wasn't perfect? But his imperfections were not recorded in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews chapter 11.

Thattallgirl:
Lol I can't claim to be like Him? So is 1 John 4:17 wrong?

That is why I said the Disciples Attained it, so they could tell us about it which is based on The Law "You can Only Give What You Have"!

Thattallgirl:
I just had to ask. I hope you know Abraham wasn't perfect? But his imperfections were not recorded in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews chapter 11.

Yes I know but, His Record Stands Against Us!