Love is a universal language.
Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love.

The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.
Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love.
That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love.

That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind.

This doesnt really ring in when you're at the receiving end of the human love. But when you're at the giving end of the love, it becomes betrayal.

How can you say your parents do not love you when they sacrifice their lives to give you food, cloth, shelter and even good education and upbringing?

How can you say it is not love when a spouse gives everything when they meet their ther half?

How can you say it is not love when siblings would do anything to protect and help one another?

How can you say it is not love when you have a friend that can go to the end of the world for you?

The only difference between the Love in the bible and the aforementioned human love is simple, one is real and the former is imaginary.

I had hoped one or more Christians would prove me wrong.

Guess some of you need some sense knocked into you.

Myer:

Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love.

I say we do not claim monopoly of Love but we do say is that "If it is Good, it is Love"

And that there is No One on earth Who and Which Comes near or Beats The Love which God has Given to us and Continually Gives Us!

There is None at all!

Myer:

The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.

The Bible Teaches that Love is Always Good. Thus, it asks us, "Do we Truly Love, if our love is properly measured and weighed?"

The Answer is very clearly, No, we Mostly Do Not Love!

Myer:

Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love.
That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love.

Go to family, romance and crime section and see how they Prove the Truth of what the Bible said

Myer:

That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind.

Love does not hurt and wound the loved when it is "Loving"!

Myer:

This doesnt really ring in when you're at the receiving end of the human love. But when you're at the giving end of the love, it becomes betrayal.

I do not understand this part!

Myer:

How can you say your parents do not love you when they sacrifice their lives to give you food, cloth, shelter and even good education and upbringing?

If only you knew their True minds and that it was God's Love which compelled them to Act that way!

Myer:

How can you say it is not love when a spouse gives everything when they meet their ther half?

Here is the where both Spouses ought to see the Goodness of God and learn of His great love towards them but they corrupt it and they never see what God has done nor ever learn.

So, Love may have begun in it, but the couples destroy it, hence it fails!

Myer:

How can you say it is not love when siblings would do anything to protect and help one another?

How can you say it is not love when you have a friend that can go to the end of the world for you?

In most cases, it is done with interest and convenience, it is not bonafide!

Love is always there even in inconveniences.

Myer:

The only difference between the Love in the bible and the aforementioned human love is simple, one is real and the former is imaginary.

As I said up, No one on earth comes close to the Love that God has Given and still Pours from time to time on undeserving hateful men, even upon His Enemies Too.

No man ever loved His Enemies! No not one has voluntarily done that of his own motion.

Myer:
I had hoped one or more Christians would prove me wrong.

Guess some of you need some sense knocked into you.

We know you have wickedness in mind but in the end, you would see that it is you who is very wicked!

And that God is Indeed Very Very Good!

Myer:
Love is a universal language.
Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love.

The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us..

And you forget a very important element of Love, "Love is Not One Sided"

Love is Pain Full and as a Lame man if it is Lopsided!

But it is A Complete Whole Person who walks Surely, Firmly, Confidently and Joy Filledly when Balanced, Even and Equally Returned to Each Contributor of Love!

Dtruthspeaker:


And you forget a very important element of Love, "Love is Not One Sided"

Love is Pain Full and as a Lame man if it is Lopsided!

But it is A Complete Whole Person who walks Surely, Firmly, Confidently and Joy Filledly when Balanced, Even and Equally Returned to Each Contributor of Love!

Your parents care for you is that love or not?

It's deeper than you think but since you're always offended with my comments i'll keep the secret for those that truly needs.

YES, human don't have true love like our God!

Myer:
Love is a universal language.
Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love. The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.
Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love. That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love. That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind. This doesnt really ring in when you're at the receiving end of the human love. But when you're at the giving end of the love, it becomes betrayal. How can you say your parents do not love you when they sacrifice their lives to give you food, cloth, shelter and even good education and upbringing? How can you say it is not love when a spouse gives everything when they meet their ther half?
How can you say it is not love when siblings would do anything to protect and help one another? How can you say it is not love when you have a friend that can go to the end of the world for you? The only difference between the Love in the bible and the aforementioned human love is simple, one is real and the former is imaginary.

Myer:


Your parents care for you is that love or not?

Love is Always Good now were your parents Always Good?

Presuming you had normal parents as shown by family and romance section everything your parents did mine too!

So using the parameters of measurement and weighing of True Love, Judge for yourself if they neared God's Own Love!

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Love is Always Good now were your parents Always Good?

Presuming you had normal parents as shown by family and romance section everything your parents did mine too!

So using the parameters of measurement and weighing of True Love, Judge for yourself if they neared God's Own Love!

Humans have their flaws, no one is perfect. So does that mean we should cancel all their efforts of love just because they weren't perfect?
There are times man can truly love and there are times man falls short.

Is God's love always Good true?
When God told King Saul to utterly destroy the women, children and even cattle of the Amalekites,was that good? 1 Samuel 15

Myer:


Humans have their flaws, no one is perfect..

That's why I confidently said "No one on earth comes close to the Love that God has Given and still Pours from time to time on undeserving hateful men, even upon His Enemies Too"

Myer:

Is God's love always Good though?

Always!

Myer:

When God told King Saul to utterly destroy the women, children and even cattle of the Amalekites,was that good? 1 Samuel 15

Yes! Remember I told you on the other thread about "Life is good until..." that "when you sin, Curses and everything you would not like Plus Loss of Rights and Benefits happen"

The Amelekites did Abominations and they got the Curse of Sin.

Take Note too Israel too later did the same abominations and that same Judgement fell on them and they were only spared because of The Law of the Covenant God had with Abraham!

Unfortunately for the Amelekites, they had No Law to save them!

Myer:
Love is a universal language.
Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love.

Where was this claim made? Where do people just spew weirdness from?

[s]The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.
Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love.
That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love.
That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind.
[/s]

Every statement you made here is false. The Bible clearly teaches that there are different kinds of love, and that divine love which is called agape love is the highest and purest kind of love. There are other words used for the other kinds of love in the Bible(greek and co)

This doesnt really ring in when you're at the receiving end of the human love. But when you're at the giving end of the love, it becomes betrayal.

How can you say your parents do not love you when they sacrifice their lives to give you food, cloth, shelter and even good education and upbringing?

How can you say it is not love when a spouse gives everything when they meet their ther half?

How can you say it is not love when siblings would do anything to protect and help one another?

How can you say it is not love when you have a friend that can go to the end of the world for you?

The only difference between the Love in the bible and the aforementioned human love is simple, one is real and the former is imaginary.

Your faulty and false assumption has helped you build a storied building on falsity. Get the facts clear and from the Bible.

Myer:
Love is a universal language.
Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love.

The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.
Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love.
That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love.
That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind.

The statement "God is love" reveals to us that God is the embodiment of Love itself, meaning that every thing about God, His words, and deeds , all of Him Love itself. What does this really mean? It means Love in action is seen when God...

* drowned the world sparing only Noah and his family, along with the animals
* rained fire and brimstone from the skies to burn the entirety of Sodom and Gomorrah
* set confusion into the midst of the people at Babel
* caused manna to fall from heaven to feed his people in the wilderness
* caused quails to fall to feed Israel, and then caused all those who had eaten it to choke to death
* caused the grounds to open up and swallow about 14,000 Israelites in one day
* caused all generations of Israelites, 20 years and older, who came out of the land of Egypt to perish in the wilderness
* signed His first covenant with His Children Israel, right before they entered the promised land of Canaan
* handed his Israel over to the enemy so many times over the many millennia whenever He needed to have Israel punished for their sins
...
* sent Jesus Christ, His new Covenant to the lost sheep of Israel and to all the nations of the world
* sent His only Son to die so that man might be redeemed
* watched as Stephen was stoned to death, while he stood in submission to Jesus Christ's own teachings
* watched as his followers were massacred for submitting to and obeying His teachings

That is just a bit of who Love is and we know that the God of the Bible does not apologize for who He is. He is love and Love is He. His love is according to His Will and commandments and so the love He wants from us is the same kind of Love which is according to His Will and commandment. Is this so hard to understand?

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Where was this claim made? Where do people just spew weirdness from?



Every statement you made here is false. The Bible clearly teaches that there are different kinds of love, and that divine love which is called agape love is the highest and purest kind of love. There are other words used for the other kinds of love in the Bible(greek and co)




Your faulty and false assumption has helped you build a storied building on falsity. Get the facts clear and from the Bible.

How is it false?
You can't claim something is false if you can't present the truth.

Kobojunkie:

The statement "God is love" reveals to us that God is the embodiment of Love itself, meaning that every thing about God, His words, and deeds , all of Him Love itself. What does this really mean? It means Love in action is seen when God...

* drowned the world sparing only Noah and his family, along with the animals
* rained fire and brimstone from the skies to burn the entirety of Sodom and Gomorrah
* set confusion into the midst of the people at Babel
* caused manna to fall from heaven to feed his people in the wilderness
* caused quails to fall to feed Israel, and then caused all those who had eaten it to choke to death
* caused the grounds to open up and swallow about 14,000 Israelites in one day
* caused all generations of Israelites, 20 years and older, who came out of the land of Egypt to perish in the wilderness
* signed His first covenant with His Children Israel, right before they entered the promised land of Canaan
* handed his Israel over to the enemy so many times over the many millennia whenever He needed to have Israel punished for their sins
...
* sent Jesus Christ, His new Covenant to the lost sheep of Israel and to all the nations of the world
* sent His only Son to die so that man might be redeemed
* watched as Stephen was stoned to death, while he stood in submission to Jesus Christ's own teachings
* watched as his followers were massacred for submitting to and obeying His teachings

That is just a bit of who Love is and we know that the God of the Bible does not apologize for who He is. He is love and Love is He. His love is according to His Will and commandments and so the love He wants from us is the same kind of Love which is according to His Will and commandment. Is this so hard to understand?

Impressive.
You're the only one who has commented so far by being true to the bible and not avoiding or explaining away what was written that God did in the bible.

But you did not answer the question. Is it only God's love that is true love?

Do you truly believe that the love between parent and child isn't true love?
Do you believe the pove between husband and wife isn't true love?
That the love between siblings isn't true love?
That the love between best friends isn't true love?

Of cos there are probably more cases when you have bad parents or spouses or siblings or friends but does that negate the true love of the good ones?

Myer:

Impressive.
You're the only one who has commented so far by being true to the bible and not avoiding or explaining away what was written that God did in the bible.

But you did not answer the question. Is it only God's live that is true love?

Do you truly believe that the love between parent and child isn't true love?
Do you believe the pove between husband and wife isn't true love?
That the love between siblings isn't true love?
That the love between best friends isn't true love?

Of cos there are probably more cases when you have bad parents or spouses or siblings or friends but does that negate the true love of the good ones?

What does it mean for something to be True? In logic class we are taught that for a thing to be True it has to be true all of the time. if you can find at least one case where that condition is nullified, then it is not true.

Therefore...

A) The love between parent is not True - Not all parents love their children and not all children love their parents.
To many parents out there, a child is a back up plan or insurance policy, while to others the child can be sold off to pay debts. In other cases, a child is an outright burden that can and should be abandoned when the burden becomes too hard to bear.
Some parents love their child but not all parents love their child so this love is not True even by Man's logic.
B) The Love btw husband and wife is also not True - the same logic as above applies.
C) Love between siblings is also not True.
D) Love between best friends is also not True.

So, why is it only God's love that is said to be True? Well, we know that God is True.
And we also know that God is Love.
So it follows that Love is True but whose Love?
God's Love is True.

Kobojunkie:
What does it mean for something to be True? In logic class we are taught that for a thing to be True it has to be true all of the time. if you can find at least one case where that condition is nullified, then it is not true.

Therefore...

A) The love between parent is not True - Not all parents love their children and not all children love their parents.
To many parents out there, a child is a back up plan or insurance policy, while to others the child can be sold off to pay debts. In other cases, a child is an outright burden that can and should be abandoned when the burden becomes too hard to bear.
Some parents love their child but not all parents love their child so this love is not True even by Man's logic.
B) The Love btw husband and wife is also not True - the same logic as above applies.
C) Love between siblings is also not True.
D) Love between best friends is also not True.

So, why is it only God's love that is said to be True? Well, we know that God is True.
And we also know that God is Love.
So it follows that Love is True but whose Love?
God's Love is True.

There you go again. I thought you were being true.

You just stated situations where God's actions could not be termed as loving humankind. In the case of destroying all of humankind except Noah and his family.

God loves all the time?
Clearly you forget where God himself said Jacob he loved and Esau he hated. Even while they were yet unborn.

If God's love is according to your logic, not all true at all times, then it means it is can not be termed true love. Just like man's love.

Myer:


How is it false?
You can't claim something is false if you can't present the truth.

The truth is right there in the Bible. You should not just make false claims all over and be expecting others to bring you truth. Where in the Bible did you see your claims. Let's start from there. Here are your claims in quote below, show me where they are in the Bible. Then, i will show you where my claims are in the Bible.

The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.
Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love.
That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love.
That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind.

Myer:

There you go again. I thought you were being true.

You just stated situations where God's actions could not be termed as loving humankind. In the case of destroying all of humankind except Noah and his family.

God loves all the time?
Clearly you forget where God himself said Jacob he loved and Esau he hated. Even while they were yet unborn.

If God's love is according to your logic, not all true at all times, then it means it is can not be termed true love. Just like man's love.

1. Where God is said to love Jacob and hate Esau, I believe He said that to mean something else really. The way I see it, God was speaking of leaning more towards using Jacob, and not Esau, for His plan. That is what I believe that statement was really about and this because He still prospered Esau even afterwards.

2. God's kind of love cannot in anyway or form be compared to Man's kind of love. God can love the way man loves but His own goes beyond that to the extent that even His annihilation of all the humans on the planet(except Noah's family) is an act of love on God's part. And the same pattern He continues to exhibit unfailingly throughout scripture, even where His beloved servants are concerned.

3. Two things to note here.... consider one parent who loves her child. The same parent cuddles the child and at other times punishes the same child. In this one instance, does it mean that the love is not true? NO! The love is true since both cuddles and punishment can be doled out by a parent to a loved child. So it is love in action, and is true.

...there is only one God so no other standard to compare Him to except His own self. When He punishes His servants or rewards them when they honor Him, it is still the same God exhibiting the same Love pattern. According to His servants, He is an impartial judge and so He doles out punishment to those who deserve it and rewards those who He honors.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where God is said to love Jacob and hate Esau, I believe He said that to mean something else really. The way I see it, God was speaking of leaning more towards using Jacob, and not Esau, for His plan. That is what I believe that statement was really about and this because He still prospered Esau even afterwards.

2. God's kind of love cannot in anyway or form be compared to Man's kind of love. God can love the way man loves but His own goes beyond that to the extent that even His annihilation of all the humans on the planet(except Noah's family) is an act of love on God's part. And the same pattern He continues to exhibit unfailingly throughout scripture, even where His beloved servants are concerned.

3. Two things to note here.... consider one parent who loves her child. The same parent cuddles the child and at other times punishes the same child. In this one instance, does it mean that the love is not true? NO! The love is true since both cuddles and punishment can be doled out by a parent to a loved child. So it is love in action, and is true.

...there is only one God so no other standard to compare Him to except His own self. When He punishes His servants or rewards them when they honor Him, it is still the same God exhibiting the same Love pattern. According to His servants, He is an impartial judge and so He doles out punishment to those who deserve it and rewards those who He honors.

Punishment could be an act of love
But how can murdering your own children be an act of love?
To what end?
Did wiping out the human race solve the problem of sin and evil?

Isn't it interesting that we easily make excuses for God's acts but not for man's acts?

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The truth is right there in the Bible. You should not just make false claims all over and be expecting others to bring you truth. Where in the Bible did you see your claims. Let's start from there. Here are your claims in quote below, show me where they are in the Bible. Then, i will show you where my claims are in the Bible.

Interestingly you just might be right.
It's probably a product of bad preachers.

I have just done a quick study on love in the bible and no where does it say only God's love is true love.
What it says is there is no greater love than the love of Christ.

However, the bible teaches that love is what identifies a Christian right?

Myer:

Punishment could be an act of love
But how can murdering your own children be an act of love?
To what end?
Did wiping out the human race solve the problem of sin and evil?

Isn't it interesting that we easily make excuses for God's acts but not for man's acts?

Its God's kind of love and He is consistent in it, hence True.
Recall.....

Kobojunkie:
It means Love in action is seen when God...

* drowned the world sparing only Noah and his family, along with the animals
* rained fire and brimstone from the skies to burn the entirety of Sodom and Gomorrah
* set confusion into the midst of the people at Babel
* caused manna to fall from heaven to feed his people in the wilderness
* caused quails to fall to feed Israel, and then caused all those who had eaten it to choke to death
* caused the grounds to open up and swallow about 14,000 Israelites in one day
* caused all generations of Israelites, 20 years and older, who came out of the land of Egypt to perish in the wilderness
* signed His first covenant with His Children Israel, right before they entered the promised land of Canaan
* handed his Israel over to the enemy so many times over the many millennia whenever He needed to have Israel punished for their sins
...
* sent Jesus Christ, His new Covenant to the lost sheep of Israel and to all the nations of the world
* sent His only Son to die so that man might be redeemed
* watched as Stephen was stoned to death, while he stood in submission to Jesus Christ's own teachings
* watched as his followers were massacred for submitting to and obeying His teachings

That is just a bit of who Love is and we know that the God of the Bible does not apologize for who He is. He is love and Love is He.

I am not here making excuses for God. I simply concede to the fact that I have no authority given me by God to judge Him otherwise. I have no way of even doing that. I simply am to accept that as creator, He has that power and exercises it when He chooses.

Now I imagine that if I were in God's shoe, I would probably do worse. So I thank goodness I am not God or you all would spontaneously combust the moment you try to process unholy intentions anywhere in my programming universe.

Kobojunkie:
Its God's kind of love and He is consistent in it, hence True.
Recall.....


I am not here making excuses for God. I simply concede to the fact that I have no authority given me by God to judge Him otherwise. I have no way of even doing that. I simply am to accept that as creator, He has that power and exercises it when He chooses.

Now I imagine that if I were in God's shoe, I would probably do worse. So I thank goodness I am not God or you all would spontaneously combust the moment you try to process unholy intentions anywhere in my programming universe.

You've answered well as a true bible scholar.

Myer:
You've answered well as a true bible scholar.

I am not a bible scholar... I am simply telling you how I honestly know these things from what I have learned from Him.

Kobojunkie:
I am not a bible scholar... I am simply telling you how I honestly know these things from what I have learned from Him.

I don't understand.
You didnt learn these from the bible?

Myer:

I don't understand.
You didnt learn these from the bible?

I mean I read the bible sure but I dont study the Bible like folks do. It is not a regular occurrence for me.

When I recall a story of interest, I ask and He gives me understanding and that works for.

Kobojunkie:
I mean I read the bible sure but I dont study the Bible like folks do. It is not a regular occurrence for me.

When I recall a story of interest, I ask and He gives me understanding and that works for.

Ok I understand better now.
But you do understand that several Christians also claim that God speaks to them.
Even on NL you can see Christians claiming God spoke to them yet contradicting one another.

So how then do you know who God truly spoke to?

Myer:

Ok I understand better now.
But you do understand that several Christians also claim that God speaks to them.
Even on NL you can see Christians claiming God spoke to them yet contradicting one another.

So how then do you know who God truly spoke to?

God never contradicts Himself. His Word (the Word out of God's mouth, even Jesus Christ) is always True.
The understanding that comes from God God such that it does not violate His Law or commands, nor does if attempt to twist and screw with Scripture and its context.

God always lead us to submitting to and obeying His every teaching and commandments.

If I have the same Teacher .i.e. God, as someone else then I expect we should be in sync at least in our understanding of God's Word and commandments. When that is not there, then it is clear that such a one is not in fact listening wholly to God in all things.

Myer:

Interestingly you just might be right.
It's probably a product of bad preachers.

I have just done a quick study on love in the bible and no where does it say only God's love is true love.
What it says is there is no greater love than the love of Christ.

However, the bible teaches that love is what identifies a Christian right?

Thumbs up. You are very correct. John 13v35 comes to mind.

Kobojunkie:
God never contradicts Himself. His Word (the Word out of God's mouth, even Jesus Christ) is always True.
The understanding that comes from God God such that it does not violate His Law or commands, nor does if attempt to twist and screw with Scripture and its context.

God always lead us to submitting to and obeying His every teaching and commandments.

If I have the same Teacher .i.e. God, as someone else then I expect we should be in sync at least in our understanding of God's Word and commandments. When that is not there, then it is clear that such a one is not in fact listening wholly to God in all things.

Hmm. How do you explain Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter?

They often had disagreements regarding what the gospel is.

Their popular disagreement is documented in Acts 15 and Gatatians 2.

Peter even acknowledging this in 2 Peter 3:15-16

Myer:

Hmm. How do you explain Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter?
They often had disagreements regarding what the gospel is.
Their popular disagreement is documented in Acts 15 and Gatatians 2.
Peter even acknowledging this in 2 Peter 3:15-16

I can't explain Paul and Peter... I try not to even pay attention to whatever issues they may have supposedly had because it means nothing really.... I only listen to God.. He alone is my Teacher.

Everybody else's opinions is their's to have but where the Truth of God, the Gospel is concerned, there is only one Truth... everything else a lie.

Kobojunkie:
I can't explain Paul and Peter... I try not to even pay attention to whatever issues they may have supposedly had because it means nothing really.... I only listen to God.. He alone is my Teacher.

Everybody else's opinions is their's to have but where the Truth of God, the Gospel is concerned, there is only one Truth... everything else a lie.

Ok. I remember you are more given to the synoptic gospels.
Quick question then;
Who else do you trust is a follower of Christ like you?
Who else do you trust is a disciple who hears the same God as you?

Afterall you can't be the only person God speaks to.

Myer:

Ok. I remember you are more given to the synoptic gospels.
Quick question then;
Who else do you trust is a follower of Christ like you?
Who else do you trust is a disciple who hears the same God as you?

Afterall you can't be the only person God speaks too.

The only one we are meant to trust in this relationship is Jesus Christ and His teachings.... Jeremiah 17 vs 5 declares that cursed is any man who puts his trust in another man. And Jesus Christ was clear that the only one we are to look up to is He and He alone.

Jesus Christ is intended as our one and only mentor in this relationship after all He is the New agreement , pir mediator and friend in this. So, I don't think it is right to trust people. Instead all of our trust should be in God where it concerns God and the things of God.