Thank you Denex I agree with you man. nnenneigbo is saying nothing worse than sucide bombers but shey you will keep quiet if someone come and take your land and impose their will on you. If America was not imperialising the world their won't be sucide bombers. Who hear of sucide bombers 10yrs ago?

The funny thing is that all well meaning people on planet earth (including some good Americans) agree that the US under its present administration is a huge embrassment and is responsible for the increasing hatred being shown towards the US yet we have Nigerians who will sometimes foolishly support every action of the US even when these actions are terrible.

I ask again, are some of these Nigerians living in the US satying there on the condition that they must support the actions of the US whether right or wrong?

Good enough, the comedy at Glasgow has shamed those that were ready to die while supporting the British authorities on the "stage managed explosions"

@Denex,

I declare that 80% of the problems in the world today are purposedly caused by the US.

Please provide the facts to substantiate this claim!

@Denex,

While you are preparing for your reply abeg include the following;

1. The chaos in Iraq today is caused by a lying president of the US, George Bush.

2. The double standard towards the nuclear issue in the middle east is making the acquisition of the technology attractive as it seems the only way to stop the US from dictating to nations is for those nations to acquire nuclear technology

I thought all the supporters of the US and UK disappeared after the movie at Glasgow was x rayed

not the US but the west in general.
Look at Sierra Leone. one thing thats clear is that these guys fuel the wars so they can sell their guns, get our resources cheaply and play the messiah when they feel they have had enough.
am sure if sudan had oil or somn, they woulda had yankee go to their rescue. i wont e surprised to hear that some russian is getting richer from the issue in our own little niger-delta

deezzle:

am sure if sudan had oil or somn, they woulda had yankee go to their rescue. i wont e surprised to hear that some russian is getting richer from the issue in our own little niger-delta

Sudan get oil but road no dey for US for dat side, dem no go tolerate any US rubbish for dia.

@deezel,

not the US but the west in general.

Good to see you are not the biased type. I tend to agree more with you than those who persistently accuse the U.S. just becuase they were refused a visa!

Look at Sierra Leone. one thing thats clear is that these guys fuel the wars so they can sell their guns, get our resources cheaply and play the messiah when they feel they have had enough.
am sure if sudan had oil or somn, they woulda had yankee go to their rescue. i wont e surprised to hear that some russian is getting richer from the issue in our own little niger-delta

Well, China is making so much money from the situation in Sudan that they have repeatedly threatened veto to every action the US is trying to take through the UN. Russia on the other hand is supplying weapons to the government who is actively cleansing the country ethnically.

With all the noise that people make about the US, I ask them to name one country that was colonised by the United States. Rather, the US was colonised by others and it even helped in the establishment of an african nation in the form of Liberia! So you see, many of the accussations aimed at the US can't really hold water when we decide to consider the facts. I guess that is why many would rather just resign themselves to character assasination and maligning that nation.

Another childish comments from someone who is supposed to be a father, na wah ooo.

If the US can veto anything concerning Israel why is this man complaining about veto power by the likes of China and Russia? Double standards at work here but we are used to it.

@deezel,

Another childish comments from someone who is supposed to be a father, na wah ooo.

Can you see what I mean? It is all about character assasination with no intelligent input at all.

If the US can veto anything concerning Israel why is this man complaining about veto power by the likes of China and Russia? Double standards at work here but we are used to it.

Can someone please speak the language that this guy can understand. Who complained about China and Russia's Veto power? Making a statement of fact is not the same thing with complaining.

I guess I won't be staying long on this forum if all I have to do is wade off personal attacks. To deezel, Denex and others who are really interested in discussing this topic, I would be willing to indulge you guys as long as we deal with issues and provide the facts to support them!

To others who are here to malign other's cahracter, I will only advice them that this is not the forum to provide them with the attention they've lacked since childhood. They might want to visit the jokes section where their sorrows might be temporarily forgotten through laughter! If that doesn't help them they will do well to jump in front of an oncoming train!

Seems I touched on something that hurt real bad.

Anyway, to avoid diverting attention to other issues I shall relax and see your intelligent comments on this issue even though I doubt it will be different from others we have seen here where in reality you have be proven wrong in over 80% of your positions here.

Don't disappoint me, let the intelligent comments from you begin (at least for a change).

nuff respect to those who post thot provoking lines, TayoD, Denex and others, nice one. Lets give those who dont know somethings to think about.
Like, what do u think of Yankee saying they want to have a base up north in order to counter all forms of terrorist cells that are truying to grow(heard Sunnis and Shites fought up north a while ago).
Will we be in the same mess places like Indonesia, etc are in?

@deezel,

nuff respect to those who post thot provoking lines, TayoD, Denex and others, nice one. Lets give those who don't know somethings to think about.

I have learnt to ignore people who seek to come on board just to malign other people. Giving them such attention tend to boost their ego and provide them with the satisfaction they so crave from the attention - however negative it is.

Like, what do u think of Yankee saying they want to have a base up north in order to counter all forms of terrorist cells that are truying to grow(heard Sunnis and Shites fought up north a while ago). Will we be in the same mess places like Indonesia, etc are in?

One thing is certain, the US will go to any extent possible to defend their freedom and national interests. This is trus of most nations except that the US in most cases tend to desire to do things by the book. The location of the bases have not been finalised but it appears there will be one in the north, south, east and west of Africa.

The question is this: is it true that islamo-fascism is on the rise in some parts of Africa? And is this a threat to the West and to the region itself? Would the US' presence help in containing these threats (keep in mind the effect of the US troops prescence in the korean peninsula).

TayoD:

One thing is certain, the US will go to any extent possible to defend their freedom and national interests. This is trus of most nations except that the US in most cases tend to desire to do things by the book. The location of the bases have not been finalised but it appears there will be one in the north, south, east and west of Africa.

@topic,

And why would a country believe it has the right to station military bases in the north, south, east and West of Africa all in the name of protecting its freedom and national interests?

This is a simple question and the answer to this question will ultimately reveal the root causes of some of the problems in the world today.

Why did the US move from a country that a lot of nations sympathized with at the wake of 911 to a country that is increasingly being isolated and hated due to its handling of affairs after 911?

Invading a sovereign nation based on lies and turning Iraq into a nation where people die on daily basis from suicide bombing is not a way of protecting one's interest and freedom.

Can we in all sincerity separate the facts from the fiction for the benefit of mankind?

@deezel,

Apart from the US interests involved, the military bases are also established in the interests of the various regions where they are located. You watch how the different countries will scramble to have the US site their bases in their countries.

From Japan to South Korea, Saudi Arabia to Quatar, these are nations that voluntarily invited the US and are counting on the US military presence to guarantee their security.

Needless to say, the US military presence does not guarantee anything. What a pity.

@Seun,

Needless to say, the US military presence does not guarantee anything. What a pity.

There is no guarantee anwhere in the world. The US that could not keep 911 from happening cannot prevent the same in another country. However, think about what would have happened if there was no US military presence in the korean peninsula.

TayoD:

@Seun,
There is no guarantee anwhere in the world. The US that could not keep 911 from happening cannot prevent the same in another country. However, think about what would have happened if there was no US military presence in the korean peninsula.

Ok you are of the opinion that the US cannot keep 9/11 happening in their own land why then are they so much interested to prevent attack in a foriegn land. Their must be an agenda behind that.

Seun:

Needless to say, the US military presence does not guarantee anything. What a pity.

i hope it doesnt guarantee the only thing it brings with it: suicide bombings, hijackings, unrest, etc

presido1:

Ok you are of the opinion that the US cannot keep 9/11 happening in their own land why then are they so much interested to prevent attack in a foriegn land. Their must be an agenda behind that.

Tell them. They want to have a say in what happens in other peoples countries and this singular crazy ambition is fueling hatred and isolation from the US especially under the lying president Bush today.

@presido1,

Ok you are of the opinion that the US cannot keep 9/11 happening in their own land why then are they so much interested to prevent attack in a foriegn land. Their must be an agenda behind that.

The rationale behind this is very simple. Does the high fences and maiguards we use in naija guarantee that armed robbers will not break in? Absolutely not! So why not do without them? Well, common sense teaches you to do what you know to do to dissaude and resist being robbed, but it doesn't guarantee it not happening.

This is about the same thing happening here. Just as the prescence of police does not guarantee the safety of the citizens, the lack of a police force will guarantee that criminals reign supreme!

Make dem go build their Military Base for their papa land. We will vigorously resist it being built in Nigeria, and we will vigorously resist it being buil in any African country. Unless we will also build an ECOMOG camp in New York.

@denex,

Make them go build their Military Base for their papa land. We will vigorously resist it being built in Nigeria, and we will vigorously resist it being buil in any African country. Unless we will also build an ECOMOG camp in New York.

Until then!

In as much as i seriously dislike the US foreign policy, the US is not totally supposed to be blamed for the problems in iraq, agreed that the war was based on lies and the need for the US to conquer and  increase their stronghold on iraq and its oil, the problem is that the iraqis are the ones killing them selves, if the iraqis declear that no body will die from the noozzle of a gun or from the explosion of a bomb then no body would and iraq will be a safe place again, the iraqis to me carry %80 percent of the blame.All this senseless killings have to stop.Instead of killing each other the can unite and kill all the US soldiers.

@mazaje

the Iraqis didn't just wake up one morning to start killing themselves. There has been order in Iraq for years. Somebody triggered off something.

Who could it be?
Could it be Saddam?
Could it be Saudi Arabia and Iran?
Or perhaps the all loving and caring USA.

Don't be in a hurry to choose an option. I have to add one more.
Could it be errr, Haiti?

Who could it be?

@denex, mazaje,

Please consider this in your permutations as well. The US invaded Afghanistan too and we don't see them turning on each other in a fight to the death!

What?! Who told you that?!

Who told you that Afghans are not massacring each other, others and whatever else is in sight. Oh! Not to forget the addition of South Koreans. They killed one today.

I say, what do you think is killing those Afghan policemen? Is it the flu?

@denex,

You comparing the deliberate attack on civilinans in Iraq to the attack on the law enforcement agents in Afghanistan? They are world's apart.

One targets helpless people becuase of their brand of Islam while the other targets an arm of the government that is empowered to apprehend and kill them. These are different altogether.

@TayoD

Afghans killing Afghans today is as a result of Terrorism Made In USA.

Iraqis killing Iraqis is as a result of Terrorism Made In USA.

I don't know what else you want me to say.

@denex,

Iraqis have always killed iraqis, Afghans have always killed Afghans and Sunnis have always killed Shia (and vice versa) long before the US stepped into their shores.

Wow! Tell me about it. This is strange just like Nigerians have always killed Nigerians, at least 5 cases per month.

So when the US come to amplify it to about 100 individuals per day, their plan is that no one would notice.

So Americans have not always killed Americans? What difference will it make if China invades them and cause interracial killings exceeding 1000 casualties daily. Would it be okay with you Mr. TayoD? Or only Captain America is allowed to do that.

Dem say make some people give chance for intelligent discussion.

If the quote below fits into this class then I hereby apply to be the greatest olodo on planet earth.

TayoD:

@denex,

Iraqis have always killed iraqis, Afghans have always killed Afghans and Sunnis have always killed Shia (and vice versa) long before the US stepped into their shores.

Half education is dangerous. Ignorance na disease.

@Afam

when I saw the message, I was totally lost. But I still managed to maintain my cool. Till this very second, I don't know how. But I just want to prevent further neverending arguments.

Nigerians have always been suffering so it is alright if Russia invades us and multiplies our suffering hundredfold.

This is what I personally refer to as psycho-logical reasoning.