@Denex,

You people are so desperate to blame the US that you neglect the same people who have turned on themselves and are killing themselves. How many countries in Africa were colonised by the Europeans? Yet we do not see such bloodshed in our midst. All through history, armies have invaded other countries and such citizens come together to fight off the invading army. In this case, the hatred these folks have for each other overshadows their hatred for the invading army.

Saddam was killing in his thousands without any sensational headlines because it provides no platform for US bashing. His invasion of juwait and Iran didn't cause the people to turn against each other. So why are Iraqis doing that to themselves? Are you telling us that they will stop killing each other as soon as the US leaves? I think not. The fruits of the years of oppression and misrule by Saddam is now what the country of Iraq is reaping.

And by the way, are you trying to tell us that more people have being killed by the US than was killed by Saddam? You can start counting Saddam's atrocities with the over 1 million people killed in the Iran-Iraq war!

@TayoD

Thank God you're beginning to use the word that they have been avoiding all this while: COLONISE.

Now that it is clear that Iraq was colonised, I need to remind you that one of the principles of colonization is divide and conquer.

This is applied in the early stages which is at least the first 10 years. If you do not know that divide and conquer was massively employed in Colonial Africa, then I don't know how else to put this to you.

It is after the natives have worn each other out that the Colonialist can then obliterate the remaining resistance forces and get a grip of the Colony. From there, maximum exploitation of resources can be embarked on.

Right now, Iraq oil is not being siphoned maximally but by then, it is Iraqi labour that will be used to drain Iraq.

Divide and conquer is too easy to carry out in a place like Iraq. But you know what am talking about because even you have tried to apply the same tactic on Nairaland. If I wasn't experienced, I would have fallen for it.
However in Iraq, all it takes is for you to bomb one mosque, then wait and watch. If nothing happens, bomb another mosque belonging to a different sect, then use the media you control to start spinning tales and fanning flames. In back to the genesis of it and see how it all started.

Same system employed in Palestine just after Hamas won the elections. It's my duty to remember.

Once again, thank you for helping to clarify that the Iraq issue is simple Colonization.

@denex,

You can twist what I said any way you like, it don't bother me. The fact remains that the US never colonised any country and is not interested in doing that. The fact is that the the US helped to establish a sovereign nation in the form of Liberia without even any military expedition. They provided the resources for the willing free-born and liberated slaves to go back to Africa to settle down.

Are you accsuing the US of blowing up the mosques? Now I know where your problem is. You must think Al Queda and the US are one and same entity. Please wake up, they are not.

I am not interested in divide and conquer. I am not here to conquer anybody or anything. If you remain afraid of people reminding you of the things you say, maybe you should be careful in your use of words next time!

@TayoD

US did not help build any sovereign state. They drove away the excess slaves that would not be needed in for nation building after the abolition of slave trade. Do you know how many people died during these systematic expulsions?

If there was so much love and care from mother USA, why didn't they settle all the former slaves? Why was there segregation of the rest African indigenes that remained if mother USA loved Africans so much. When the other trips were planned by the African Americans to brings some of their populations back in the early 1900s, why were they blackmailed and their effort thwarted? Could it be because they wanted to reduce the minimum wage labour force to uncomfortable levels?

I don't think Al Qaeda and the US are one and the same, I know it. You want to tell me you don't know that Bush and Bin have longstanding ties?

And finally, you did not remind me of my words, you twisted them an claimed it was someone else that said them in order to achieve your end.
If you are afraid of being reminded of things you do, then be careful of your actions next time!!!

Toyd is just a biased human being defending Bush and all his aggresive act towards mankind in the name of freedom and libration. Where is the freedom in Iraq when he can visit iraq unpublicized. The only thing holding them in Iraq is just pride and nothing more. he don't want to assept defeat and his mistake hence he is spilling more blood as each day passes. Law of Karma will visit one day.
Once you are not in support of their imperialism you turn a terrorist overnite.

The earlier bush recognizes that there can never be a military solution to the problems in iraq the better for him and his lying cabinate. Any thing that is built on lies will surely crumble the war was built on lies hence they will never succeed.

@Presido,

I do not believe I am biased at all. I take my stance based on the facts available. Accepted, Bush may not be a likeable peerson, but that does not mean he is everything he is accused of. Ther is a proverb in yoruba land that says: "a child who will not permit is mother rest will also know no peace". 911 marked a turning point in world history and you really can't expect that the entire world will remain the same since then. While you may claim that Saddam has no direct link with 911, you should be aware that what the US now fights is not just the people who attacked them, but those who show the desire to do that whether capable or not. prevention they say, is better than cure!

@mazaje,

Of course he realises that the solution to Iraw will take more than military action. That the only thing you see in teh news are the violcence does not mean there isn't a lot of diplomatic efforts. Don't tell me you are not aware of them!

Can someone remind me who the current US Secretary of State is?

That person must be fired immediately and the post should be occupied by the most confused Nigerian as regards US politics, ehmmm, his name is TayoD.

And you guys are wasting time trying to educate this lost case? Allow him wallow in the ocean of gross ignorance until the water full hin belle well well.

TayoD:

@Presido,

I do not believe I am biased at all. I take my stance based on the facts available. Accepted, Bush may not be a likeable peerson, but that does not mean he is everything he is accused of. Ther is a proverb in yoruba land that says: "a child who will not permit is mother rest will also know no peace". 911 marked a turning point in world history and you really can't expect that the entire world will remain the same since then. While you may claim that Saddam has no direct link with 911, you should be aware that what the US now fights is not just the people who attacked them, but those who show the desire to do that whether capable or not. prevention they say, is better than cure!

It is not my claim that saddam has no direct link but the claim of CIA and well meaning Americans. Don't attribute the claim to me please. The highlated sentance above should be directed to American foreign policies and not me as well ok. were you not aware that Bin Laden was once an ally to Americans when they were trying to down soviet union in afganistan. My brother what goes around comes around. Have you ever asked yourself why its only US and UK that these Islamic extremist attack, is France,Germany and Japan not part of the west? we should stop supporting blindly cos after Middle east who know it might be us.

TayoD:

@mazaje,
Of course he realises that the solution to Iraw will take more than military action. That the only thing you see in the news are the violcence does not mean there isn't a lot of diplomatic efforts. Don't tell me you are not aware of them!

If he realises that War won't solve the problem then he should withdraw his amy and engage with that your diplomacy if ever there is one going as am not aware.

YEA WE SHOULD STOP SURPORTING BLINDLY,
BECOUS TOMMORROW MIGHT BE OUR TURN FOR AMERICA TO BOMBARD

If De Menezes had been a moslem, the cover up would have been perfect and we will all be led to believe that a terrorist was shot dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6927140.stm

Al those who were released without charge after being detained for elongated periods and labelled as terrorists have no way of clearing their names now. All it takes for you to be labelled terrorist in George Bush and Tony Blair's world is to be a moslem and be non-white.

JustGood:

If De Menezes had been a moslem, the cover up would have been perfect and we will all be led to believe that a terrorist was shot dead.

Thumb Up Brother and nobody is charged for westing that blood cos he is not a citizen, honestly they don't value your lyf if u are not west.

THE United States (U.S.) House of Representatives last month passed a bill titled "No Oil Production and Exporting Cartels Act 2007 (NOPEC)". The bill, as the full title and acronym gratingly blare, takes on frontally the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) whose activities it seeks to outlaw. The bill has now moved to the U.S. Senate for consideration and adoption. The fact that the bill was passed unanimously by the House and reports that it is receiving serious attention in the Senate make it necessary for Nigeria as a member of OPEC not to simply dismiss what is playing out in the U.S. Congress as being against international law and unenforceable

Guardian Newspapers Editorial Comment of July 23, 2007. Just a side attraction and a food for thought.

It gladdens my heart that many people are not baring their minds on the lies and hypocrisy of the West especially the US and more importantly too the blind supporters of the West have lost their voices since reason, facts and truth are never on their side of the divide.

Lies shall never overcome truth and lies will always crumble like a pack of cards anyday, anytime.

Recently, The Bush administration signed a $20Billion 10 year contract with Saudi-Arabia to supply arms and advanced weapons technology to them. They similarly have such proposals with Egypt, Israel, Bahrain, UAE, Jordan and other gulf states friendly to their cause. Reason given for these deals are that Iran is a rising star and needs to be curtailed in the Middle east.They've also signed a deal supplying F-15 Jet fighters to Pakistan, a move India has opposed as they were denied the same privilege. Ironically, The Bush administration stance in the middle is about Peace with Ms Condi Rice globetrotting on a daily basis to advocate that.
My question is this: TayoD can help me answer this. How is it that your promote peace within a region but yet sell arms to regimes deemed oppressive by their people? what form of double standards practise in broad day-light is this. Bet me, but if Russia had just sold 10 anti-aircraft missles to Iran, CNN and all news networks will be making a heavy story out of it.

Back to the arms supplies, Are the same mistakes done before not been made today again. Donald Rumseld once flew to Bagdad, shook Sadaam Hussein and sold him weapons to counter Iran. 5 years later, the secretly sold arms to Iran via the Iran-Contra scam. The same US armed the Mujaheddin fighters of Afghanistan in the 80's against the Soviet Union and came back to bomb them in 2003, describing them as a terrorist regime. Isn't selling weapons to all this states now another huge mistake in the making? what if Pakistan tomorrow has a nut-head as head of state. Or if another dictator someday rises from one of the arab states?

Is it not disgraceful for a nation to profess Peace and fair judgement when the do they exact opposite?

Double standard is the best word to describe the US, no country beats it in this regard and no country will for a long time to come.

15 out of the 18 alleged 911 attackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Unfortunately, blind support makes nonsense of these very obvious facts in the world today.

Hi abeem, you have been away from nairaland for some time now. please i would like to have a honest chat with you as per your belief and perspective to terrorism, osama bin laden and the US govt. You seem to be a strong muslim. I am a christian but i think the issues are not religious but inhuman treatment of fellow human beings. U have strong grounds to condemn many christians and their views cos i know most christians are lazy intellectually when compared with muslims but I still belief your views are not totally correct. please mail me on moukagivens@yahoo.com. thanks!

mouka:

You have strong grounds to condemn many christians and their views because i know most christians are lazy intellectually when compared with muslims but I still belief your views are not totally correct. please mail me on moukagivens@yahoo.com. thanks!

Abeem has strong grounds to condemn many christians and their views because you know most christians are lazy intellectually?

Congrats! You have just shown yourself to be a religious bigot. Then again, peharps you were already aware of that.

The matter is not religious matter at all. If what happened in the muslims world do happen in Nigeria and if we try to defend our right by all means then Nigeria will be come a terrorist State. America and it allies are the losser

Please xplain what happened in the "Muslim World".

hajifaty:

The matter is not religious matter at all. If what happened in the muslims world do happen in Nigeria and if we try to defend our right by all means then Nigeria will be come a terrorist State. America and it allies are the losser

The usual impassioned rants of the religiously misguided.

Another Cheap Propagandist. U Think We All Lazy In Terms of Research Like Most M*sque Goers?

Try Elsewhere!!!

Zotto 007, I do sympathise with you and appreciate your impotent frustration at having failed to obtain a US green card after so many repeated attempts to get one via the visa lottery, but MUST you go out and look for random gory pictures to blame on my Uncle Sam ?   Your ketchup pictures would only be of interest to medical anatomy students.  Are you a med school drop-out, by any chance ?

I have an idea Zitto.  Why not travel Nigeria's roads for a few hours, photograph all the decomposing human and animal cadavers you can find, and post those pictures here as well, along with a few more ridiculous claims that Nigeria's road carnage is all America's fault, since George Bush has done nothing to prevent all that meat being left out in the African sun to rot ?

Mariory, aint you living on this earth or dont you read new paper nor watch CNN.I guess you are having a western fever

hajifaty:

Mariory, aint you living on this earth or don't you read new paper nor watch CNN.I guess you are having a western fever

No no no, don't start mumbling unintelligently. It's quite simple so there is no need for unnecessary noise. As I do not read 'new paper' nor watch CNN, please just summarize what happened in the Muslim world.

I never intended to start another religious war here. If you are in doubt of Abeem's intellectual prowess you can check his previous posts and threads. I wish both religions can look at issues ideaologically and handle issues as they are. The destruction of lives and property in Iraq is not justified despite 9/11. Its like saying Nigeria should go thru what Iraq went thru cos of the 419 scam that is so rampant here. Injustice to one is injustice to all.

The other angle is that of the terrorist who in God's name are carrying out this wanton criminal activities. God as described in the two holy books is a God of love. If muslims claim killing in the name of God is in the Holy Quran then Christians can take Paul's instruction to Timothy to "fight the good fight of faith" in the Holy Bible as a call for physical war or violence.

Who ever in the name of Islam kills or supports a person who kills is not a true moslem no matter the level of his education, exposure or understanding.

This is my own ground. No hard feelings!

American war is a tribal and racial war between Caucasoids and Mongoloids. It's just fortunate for them that the Arabs share a common religion so that is the platform for attacking them.

Thank God for the rise of India and China. Let us all support these two countries to be strong so that the Mongoloid race will not be subdued. Because after them, guess who would be next.