Janosky:

Sifia painment!
Nairalanders knows you wella.
LYING John read your Screenshot
"God and the word is 2 persons".
Polytheists DECEIVING himself.

shadeyinka:

But Michael is just ONE of the Princes
Daniel 10:13 NWT
13 But the prince of the royal realm of Persia stood in opposition to me for 21 days. But then Miʹcha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I remained there beside the kings of Persia.

"One" @ Daniel 10:13 is Hebrew language ,NOT 'one' in English usage.

Genesis 4:19, Genesis 10:25 & Daniel 10:13, "the one/ one of" meaning the Head, First, Senior.

Hebrew Lexicon 259
Geneva Bible got it right.

EFULEFU1:


Brainless fool, the Bible exposes you here:

Isaiah 48:12-13
[12] “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
[13] Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.

JW fool, you will die in your sins

Matthew 12:15-18, Isaiah Matthew and Jesus Christ knows who the fool is.

1 Corinthians 1:24, Proverbs 8:22-28, Jesus the first born Creature personified as "Wisdom" did not lay the foundation.
Job 37:1-4, Isaiah 44:24 JEHOVAH God did.
Revelation 22:16, Job 38:7, Proverbs 8:22-28, the bright morning Star personified 'Wisdom' & other sons of God (angels), saw JEHOVAH lay the foundation of the earth.
Matthew 11:25 Jesus praises Jehovah for his works.

Bishopkingsley:
unfortunately they twist their Bible to show only Michael is the chief prince lol

22jumpstreet:
Should I tell them that their Jesus never existed. That he is just a Roman creation or invention..?

Or I should just step back and read comments..

Janosky:

But on 25th December you go follow Triune polytheists celebrate

Janosky:

But on 25th December you go follow Triune polytheists celebrate

sagenaija:
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Is there a law against being in any thread one wants to be in?

MaxinDHouse, I ask again, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13
[12] “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
[13] Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.?

When you guys are given a scriptures that you know will puncture holes in your narrative you run away. Maybe you need time to turn to janosky before you can answer my simple question.
Personal attacks don't win arguments. Only FACTS do.
At least for the sake of someone else who can be 'touched' (according to you) by your comments why not answer.

So, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13?

Bishopkingsley:


Nothing you say can mean anything because Jesus lives in our hearts he speaks to us and the words of God burns in our hearts

22jumpstreet:


You need to see a psychiatrist.....you are not well at all.

sagenaija:
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Is there a law against being in any thread one wants to be in?
MaxinDHouse, I ask again, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13
[12] “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
[13] Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.?
When you guys are given a scriptures that you know will puncture holes in your narrative you run away. Maybe you need time to turn to janosky before you can answer my simple question.
Personal attacks don't win arguments. Only FACTS do.
At least for the sake of someone else who can be 'touched' (according to you) by your comments why not answer.
So, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13?

both of us must rely only on what we read in the Bible, no dogmas or opinions cooked up in the name of any spirit. We must both rely solely on the facts we find in the Bible!

PRACTICAL RESULTS

sagenaija:
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Run away from what?
The last I recall I clearly showed how we progressed and how you MOVED from
to:
From "both of us must rely only on what we read in the Bible..."
It's now "it's only the letters that you'll keep seeing in that book..."
Now, talk about shifting ground!! And who's doing that?

I also said that You have REPEATEDLY refused to answer many questions I raised, including whether you are disowning your above statement.

So, who's running from what? You or myself?
Who's shifting ground from one thing to another?
Who is running away right here now from answering a very simple question?

Fortunately others are reading us and will hopefully know the truth.

You're here claiming that you don't want to answer my simple question on this thread because I have another thread you want us to 'conclude' on. Meanwhile, you have the liberty to be in as many thread as you want and also refer people to your thread while you want to dictate how someone else should be on nairaland.

Also, you're asking me fresh questions here. Why do you want answers here when you want us to conclude on the other thread?

Why not just admit that the portion will puncture holes in your narrative. Knowing you, it doesn't take you time to respond to mentions about you but like some others have pointed out maybe you need time for 'consultation' with your 'brethren'.

MaxinDHouse, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13?

sagenaija:
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MaxinDHouse, Thank you. Now, who is speaking here:
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 1:17‭-‬18 NIV

MaxInDHouse:
You're very funny, this is Jesus nah!

sagenaija:

MaxinDHouse, do you see the "I am the First, I am also the Last" in Isaiah 48 and the "I am the First and the Last" in Revelation 1?

You said that the the First and the Last in Isaiah 48 is Jehovah and the one in Revelation is Jesus.

Now, are there two different "the First and the Last" persons ‐ one being Jehovah and the other Jesus Christ?

sagenaija:

MaxinDHouse, do you see the "I am the First, I am also the Last" in Isaiah 48 and the "I am the First and the Last" in Revelation 1?

You said that the the First and the Last in Isaiah 48 is Jehovah and the one in Revelation is Jesus.

Now, are there two different "the First and the Last" persons ‐ one being Jehovah and the other Jesus Christ?

shadeyinka:

To you it makes perfect sense that
Michael created satan but doesn't have authority over his creation again!

Isn't Michael just one of the chief princes/foremost princes?
Daniel 10:13 NWT
13 But the prince of the royal realm of Persia stood in opposition to me for 21 days. But then Miʹcha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I remained there beside the kings of Persia.

If Michael created the angels, how could he just be ONE of the foremost of them?

MightySparrow:

Don't mind the GB, Prov. 8: 22 doesn't clearly talk about creation but 'possession'. Which can be literally means "owned', 'have' neither is it referring to any particular Accounts of creation. The JW interprete the Bible with bad extrapolations.

When you ask critical questions, the coil away. Only people of low reasoning level can swallow their doctrines.

orunto27:

They just choose to LIMIT THE POWERS OF THE ALMIGHTY.

orunto27:

They just choose to LIMIT THE POWERS OF THE ALMIGHTY.

THEY ARE LIMITED IN THE SCOPE OF THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF LORDGOD ALMIGHTY.

MightySparrow:



Don't mind the GB, Prov. 8: 22 doesn't clearly talk about creation but 'possession'. Which can be literally means "owned', 'have' neither is it referring to any particular Accounts of creation. The JW interprete the Bible with bad extrapolations.

When you ask critical questions, the coil away. Only people of low reasoning level can swallow their doctrines.

MaxInDHouse:


This is where deeper understanding is required. When Jehovah said he is the beginning and the end, and Jesus also said the same thing it simply means both persons knows the beginning of mankind's history and rebellion in the garden of Eden, and certainly they will both see the end of badness!

Remember they've been together from the time of creation until now! Proverbs 8:22; John 1:1

That doesn't implies the voice belongs to the same person!

I've shown you several scriptures that depicts Jesus and Archangel Michael as the same person but you keep insisting it's not so. Now you think when two persons say something similar means it's the same person?

Well Jesus himself said it's not so {John 14:28} Jesus substantiated that he is different from his father so we need to know him differently from his father! John 17:3

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

"simply means both persons knows the beginning of mankind's history and rebellion in the garden of Eden, and certainly they will both see the end of badness!"