mu2sa2:
Are you serious?Tin can, MM airport and other key federal establishments pay Vat to Lagos govt? That won't ever happen - and Lagos govt can nothing about it. All this VAT noise is just dancing to the gallery ahead of 2023 election. Hahahaha, Wike for president!
Truth is, central collection of Vat is even more cost effective. The only issue is distribution formula- 20% allocated to contribution and whopping 50% to equality. Without resorting to dishing out stupendous bribes to corrupt judges for favourable judgement, sanity should prevail by reviewing the distribution formula, giving more priority to contribution. Simple as ABC!

VAT is just a fraction of taxes collected from those Federal establishments. You need to follow the debate and know how Wike moved ahead to claim it. It was a real brain work. All the figures you are mentioning will not work. To collect all 100% is the thing that will work. Lagos looked at the judgement and they know that states can claim it. There is a loophole Wike's lawyers used to win the case. And FG knows they cannot win it again even let them go to supreme court. The only way FG will reclaim it is to use National Assembly to amend the law. And lawyers have warned them not to try it. As soon as they start, lawyers will take National assembly to court too. It is a well perfected plan. Wike is the brain behind it. And Lagos' eyes opened to it that it is possible. This is law at work. In TinCan and Muritala Muhammed airport, there are other fees and taxes. The only one states want to claim for now is VAT, and many more to come. So, it is the right call to push further. FIRS quickly went to National Assembly to see if they can amend the law, but they are going to meet fire there. That they know it will be fire, FG went to appeal court in Abuja to stop states from collecting it pending the result of appeal case. But lawyers have found loop holes again that states can go ahead. See, States have won this. Nothing FG can do. This is law at work. As soon as Rivers and Lagos start collecting, FG has lost. This is to show us how incompetent Buhari is. He has a useless FIRS boss.

Nothing is impossible. Naija has made you think there are no loopholes to fight the oppressors. Of course, there are. You must just catch the oppressors suddenly when they are relaxed. That's it. Catch, kill, and burn them to ashes when you have the little chance to do so. Lagos will never allow this to slide. Jagaban, the gax collector will use the same strategy he used to box OBJ to corner. And Wike will not be st.upid to refuse help. Lol.

Since states having 100% is what will work, for resource control to work, all states must have 100% control too. Either they take that 100% or they keep suffering. This is why I said there is no need for secession. There should be one Nigeria, but with each state with its destiny. No more Abuja. This is the way forward. If this happens, any state is at the liberty of forming it's own government and nation if it has the power and resources to do it. I guess no state will be that foolish yo embark on such suicide mission task when 100% resource control, system police control, regional military and supreme court control are there.

Hope you feel me.

The question is that why is this happening after Prof Osinbajo's right hand man, Babatunde Fowler was sacked as FIRS number 1? See eh! That Osinbajo guy....all his head is law. This is a brain that can twist law. A man who Jagaban used to box OBJ to stand still from 1999 to 2007. Till date, Obasanjo will never forget how Prof Osinbajo dealt with him. Osinbajo slammed OBJ's lawyers in court back to back. Lagos Sgate was just winning FG in all cases. That was prof at work then. I feared that man when it comes to law. That man? Leave him oooo. Go and ask all his students in UNILAG how prof used to quote laws from head and how he used to give brain tasking assignments to his students. Very lively professor. Very smart. And I am sure he will never say no to his boys from Lagos even at this time. When craze no dey worry am. Him go side with FG and Buhari? That is to say he wants to be deported back to Ogun from Aso Rock. Baba will just know how to play his game as he has been playing it since Buhari and his men feel dem get cra.ze. They felt prof will vex and resign. But God was merciful to Nigeria and He used covid 19 take away the brain in Buhari's cabinet. Cos if that Abba Kyari dey alive.... ... that genius brain also....eh!

ORIENTATION101:
The truth is firs don't have the exclusive Right to collect vat, that's why they rushed to the national Assembly

Stop supporting Wike who is using political radicalism to commit economic gangsterism.

There is no methods Rivers and Lagos States are using to generate VAT that other states cannot use except natural positioning that favours them.

Do you know that if buy telecommunication aircards, you pay VAT, where do you think that VAT is being turn in, that is at the company headquarters. Invariably if you load MTN card in Maiduguri you generate VAT to Lagos State where MTN headquarters is located.
The same goes to other commodities across board. If we continue this way each company will be made to pay VAT on their goods before it is being consumed in each state. Then the more your population on demands of any goods and services the higher your VAT which will inturn favours the north. It will affect cost of goods and services.

Moreover, from statistics the federal government still generate 61% of the entire country"s VAT. Lagos and Rivers State generate 70% of the remaining 39%.

Let us be reasonable and stop thinking northerners are not educated, they are lazy, they are that, they are this. They are not what we think they are.

Some Southerners had already made themselves slaves to the northerners by referring to them as masters, that the only way out is to part away from Nigeria.

Every northerner nowadays is a Muslim and a Fulani, what an irony of someone who claim sophistication of western education.

[s]

egoldman:



You don finish? North is the parasite.

[/s]75% of  government spending is connered by Southerners via the domination of salary earning, contracts, projects, bail outs and other interventions. Trade and industries are dominated by Southerners who have easy access to multi billion credit facilities courtesy their domination of state financial structure and instruments and institutions. 


Every ministry is dominated by them. All our markets are monopolized by them due to their control of capital that enable them to finance business and take more risk due to ease of acces to money. They conrol their markets by regular disruptuons of our businesses officially and by direct frequent violence unofficially. Their control of and easy access to liquidity enable them to be more enerprising business wise. They buy our goods cheap and sell theirs exorbitantly.


To preserve the exploitative status quo they spread false verson of the reality. They centralize oil as the main source of wealth so that our attention will be far away from other sources of wealth they dominate.

Oil is less than 10% of  Nigeria's GDP. They tell us we are the parasite and we are lazy and we are uneducated to instil a sense of guilt, self hate and inadequacy in us. We swallow all these falsehood uncritcally because we made our source of daily information their media and books. They over concentrate on our weaknesses and ignore almost completely their own weaknesses. An average Southerner having mild cold will almost by default blame it on Northerners and will not lack northerners who "speak the truth" to agree with him.


How can uneducated people have multitude of unemployed graduates? How can lazy people be producig the food of the nation? Why do millions of Southerners troop to the poor parasitic North and refuse leave?

richmond500:
As a Rivers man, this VAT sweet me but is the common man going to gain anything?

People have been begging Wike to pay pensions, he has been deaf to their request and punishing Rivers people. Now to collect money, he is at the forefront.
The common shop seller who doesn't know VAT, will be tormented by Wike's tout from now on, I like this VAT ruling but Wike's not doing this for the state, he is just being selfish.

Carry flyovers deh deceive Nigeria meanwhile ask the common River state man, u will know Wike is not trying
that's not what I mean, I am in support of Riv govt collecting it but Wike has selfish intentions

So when wike leaves power in2023, he will carry the state with him?
Na one of the reasons why North is more organised and sophisticated than us.
We asked for resource control, a southerner will say na only the politicians will benefit from the resources. Like is there any law stopping people from being politicians?
The North came out, proposed 3percent to host communities and 30percent of nnpc profits for frontier basins that is 90percent located in their region, an average northerner doesnt benefit from these, but they support all what their elites do. But we in south we r so myopic, we allow sentiments becloud our sense of reasoning.
Wikeis leaving govt in 2023,even if he keeps successor, successor won't be loyal to him forever. Rivers no be Lagos, where one man will decide who becomes the govr, senators and representatives.
Wike won't stand alone and impose these people and even if he does, in a year their loyalty will shift abi drift.
Godfatherism don't last in south south and south east.
Its better my state man controls the resources in my state, even if he likes he can squander the money as he like, than for aboki or someone who isnt a Nigerian to be controlling my state resources.

LibertyRep:
Lawyers can so much make a simple case unnecessarily complicated.

What stops the judge from stating it clearly in unambiguous language like:

" I hereby order that River State and any other state should stop the process of collecting VAT until the appeal is determined."

The appeal court was very careful because , as a separate arm of government, it has no powers to stop another arm of government from functioning appropriately. The legislative arm enacted VAT law in ordinary course of it's statutory right, which is never subject to legal dispute.

In as much as Wike dies not collect VAT based on FHC judgement, but on the basis of rightly enacted VAT law, the status quo becomes academic exercise.

Lagos and Rivers states are smarter. VAT law subsists.

Biafra is here!

richmond500:
As a Rivers man, this VAT sweet me but is the common man going to gain anything?

People have been begging Wike to pay pensions, he has been deaf to their request and punishing Rivers people. Now to collect money, he is at the forefront.
The common shop seller who doesn't know VAT, will be tormented by Wike's tout from now on, I like this VAT ruling but Wike's not doing this for the state, he is just being selfish.

Carry flyovers deh deceive Nigeria meanwhile ask the common River state man, u will know Wike is not trying
that's not what I mean, I am in support of Riv govt collecting it but Wike has selfish intentions

Stop impersonating you're never t from Rivers State dude

I have a feeling the NORTH CENTRAL led appeal & fulani led supreme court will be arm twisted to rule against state government collection of VAT. Time will prove me right or wrong.
The South as usual is at a loss in this chess game between the sacrificial South & parasitic North!

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richmond500:
As a Rivers man, this VAT sweet me but is the common man going to gain anything?

People have been begging Wike to pay pensions, he has been deaf to their request and punishing Rivers people. Now to collect money, he is at the forefront.
The common shop seller who doesn't know VAT, will be tormented by Wike's tout from now on, I like this VAT ruling but Wike's not doing this for the state, he is just being selfish.

Carry flyovers deh deceive Nigeria meanwhile ask the common River state man, u will know Wike is not trying
that's not what I mean, I am in support of Riv govt collecting it but Wike has selfish intentions

Government is a continum, so Wike will not be there for ever! Can you tell us his wicked intentions.

Winters23:
Buhari thought his loopsided political appointments and policies is doing the north good, but on the long-run PMB have succeeded in opening the eyes of some southern leaders in taking what belongs to them from the North.

The north will suffer for PMB's crime a long time even after Buhari is long gone.

Buhari's wickedness have brought a lot of disaffection on his fulani people and trusting them with power again will take a whole lot of effort and hardwork.

Don't forget the Hausa, all Northerners are one and the same.

A Hausa man would probably still favour a Fulani over a Yoruba/Igbo or Tiv.. Never forget that..

mu2sa2:
God bless you. I have said it before that more revenue does not necessarily translate to better service delivery. Imagine, Wike is wasting hundreds of millions all over the place but is refusing to pay pension and gratuities to elderly people who served the state all their youthful years and are now helpless!
On VAT, many people are being misled into thinking only northern states will suffer if central collection by FIRS is stopped. But that's far from the truth. FG will immediately rake in over 50% of the present collection by taking all of collection on imports. At present there is only one percentage point difference between rivers(6%) and kano (5%) contribution to Vat collection. Kano, kaduna and fct contribution is more than that of SE states combined.
Wike is just dancing to the gallery.

You are liar. Kano is marginally ahead of Anambra and Enugu in internally generated revenue. Abia is not doing badly. The southeast is not afraid of the new VAT law. it's you northern folks running helter skelter because you know your feeding bottle is about to be taken away from you. Gombe state is already begging the south to be their "brother's keeper"

mu2sa2:
Are you serious?Tin can, MM airport and other key federal establishments pay Vat to Lagos govt? That won't ever happen - and Lagos govt can nothing about it. All this VAT noise is just dancing to the gallery ahead of 2023 election. Hahahaha, Wike for president!
Truth is, central collection of Vat is even more cost effective. The only issue is distribution formula- 20% allocated to contribution and whopping 50% to equality. Without resorting to dishing out stupendous bribes to corrupt judges for favourable judgement, sanity should prevail by reviewing the distribution formula, giving more priority to contribution. Simple as ABC!

We are coming for our ports. Don’t worry. You will tell us if it is your papa that put the port there or it’s our inheritance as Lagosians. At least 60% of people working at those ports should be from Lagos.

Safyqueen:


Stop supporting Wike who is using political radicalism to commit economic gangsterism.

There is no methods Rivers and Lagos States are using to generate VAT that other states cannot use except natural positioning that favours them.

Do you know that if buy telecommunication aircards, you pay VAT, where do you think that VAT is being turn in, that is at the company headquarters. Invariably if you load MTN card in Maiduguri you generate VAT to Lagos State where MTN headquarters is located.
The same goes to other commodities across board. If we continue this way each company will be made to pay VAT on their goods before it is being consumed in each state. Then the more your population on demands of any goods and services the higher your VAT which will inturn favours the north. It will affect cost of goods and services.

Moreover, from statistics the federal government still generate 61% of the entire country"s VAT. Lagos and Rivers State generate 70% of the remaining 39%.

Let us be reasonable and stop thinking northerners are not educated, they are lazy, they are that, they are this. They are not what we think they are.

Some Southerners had already made themselves slaves to the northerners by referring to them as masters, that the only way out is to part away from Nigeria.

Every northerner nowadays is a Muslim and a Fulani, what an irony of someone who claim sophistication of western education.

Na lie. VAT is point of sale. Just say you have fake population in your state. Which they hype for political reasons, now you will see truly what your state is worth. You want to compare VAT on 25m people to VAT of 300k people. LOL

baby124:

Na lie. VAT is point of sale. Just say you have fake population in your state. Which they hype for political reasons, now you will see truly what your state is worth. You want to compare VAT on 25m people to VAT of 300k people. LOL

Please I can't comprehend your point sir.

Are you saying the population we talk about in the north is a fake one? How can you compare somebody whose culture and religion permits polygamy and limitless number of children to one who practice celibacy and monogamy in population.

Ask a doctor friend to tell you the statistics of child birth across Kano hospitals in a month despite majority in villages doesn't attend hospitals.

Rivers and Lagos States are just collection cetres of VAT.

If it is sophistication and western education that enhance VAT, why is Oyo state with its size but cannot generate VAT like Lagos?

From available data, you will see Ogun state comes third because of its proximity to Lagos. Infact some part of Lagos is just Ogun.

What we see in Lagos and Rivers States is just 'headquarters effect' not anything extra-ordinary, Excellency, sophistication or civilization.

baby124:

We are coming for our ports. Don’t worry. You will tell us if it is your papa that put the port there or it’s our inheritance as Lagosians. At least 60% of people working at those ports should be from Lagos.

We know you guys like to dey make mouth- yoruba thugs.

Safyqueen:


Please I can't comprehend your point sir.

Are you saying the population we talk about in the north is a fake one? How can you compare somebody whose culture and religion permits polygamy and limitless number of children to one who practice celibacy and monogamy in population.

Ask a doctor friend to tell you the statistics of child birth across Kano hospitals in a month despite majority in villages doesn't attend hospitals.

Rivers and Lagos States are just collection cetres of VAT.

If it is sophistication and western education that enhance VAT, why is Oyo state with its size but cannot generate VAT like Lagos?

From available data, you will see Ogun state comes third because of its proximity to Lagos. Infact some part of Lagos is just Ogun.

What we see in Lagos and Rivers States is just 'headquarters effect' not anything extra-ordinary, Excellency, sophistication or civilization.

From your comment you obviously lack the intelligence to analyze what VAT is. You may be polygamous, so are Arab countries yet their population is lower than the fake population of a lot of Northern states. Which have high death rates from infant mortality, mothers dying at child birth, diseases from bad healthcare and terrorism.

Ogun state has high VAT because their population is high due to proximity to Lagos. And they attract a lot of FDI too. This brings revenue to the state. Oyo is low because of less FDI and inadequate enforcement on tax or business registrations.

bencarson007:


Its easier to fight state government than federal government. Let's win this first and see if Local governments won't take state governments to court to demand for collection of VAT on a local government basis... Restructuring just started and its gonna benefit us...

See Lagos state fighting to collect vat when mc oluomo is the owner of nurtw, extorting money from commercial bus drivers at every park and bus stop.

baby124:

From your comment you obviously lack the intelligence to analyze what VAT is. You may be polygamous, so are Arab countries yet their population is lower than the fake population of a lot of Northern states. Which have high death rates from infant mortality, mothers dying at child birth, diseases from bad healthcare and terrorism.

Ogun state has high VAT because their population is high due to proximity to Lagos. And they attract a lot of FDI too. This brings revenue to the state. Oyo is low because of less FDI and inadequate enforcement on tax or business registrations.

Well I don't know your level of education but I know you are educated from your comments.
IGR is different from VAT. The operational word here is "value added" meaning there is incidence of tax when value is being added to goods and services. Who actually pays VAT? It is the last consumer. Therefore that Kano for example doesn't have enough companies that produced her goods and services needed for her population will only affects her IGR. But for VAT, it depends on the overall goods and services her population consumes irrespective of where the producer of that goods and services resides in that sovereignty.

umuna:


Government is a continum, so Wike will not be there for ever! Can you tell us his wicked intentions.

that's crap man.

The govt that are looking for jumbo pay and didn't care about masses, don't they know govt is continuum.

Wike just want to steal as much as he could, period

Safyqueen:


Well I don't know your level of education but I know you are educated from your comments.
IGR is different from VAT. The operational word here is "value added" meaning there is incidence of tax when value is being added to goods and services. Who actually pays VAT? It is the last consumer. Therefore that Kano for example doesn't have enough companies that produced her goods and services needed for her population will only affects her IGR. But for VAT, it depends on the overall goods and services her population consumes irrespective of where the producer of that goods and services resides in that sovereignty.

FDI attracts jobs, which attracts workers into the state or provides employment which increases purchasing power, which enables businesses to be opened… also affects VAT collection in the state. Everything is interconnected.

Ibkhaleel001:
Arewa shall not be a tribal nation or a theocratic dogmatists nation like Biafra or Odua. Arewa is a modern nation of nations were Hausa, Fulani, Angas, Yoruba, Igbo, Jarawa, Kanuri, Nupe, white men, yellow men and black men coexist.
Arewa is not a crusader nation like Biafra where those who do not practice the state religion will be killed and chased out.
Arewa Republic is not ethnocentric like Odua where if a man does not bear Yoruba name is seen as a half human to be subjected to descrimination and set to be killed by elite sponsored tribal terrorists like Odua or cursed to die in the Lagoon by a tribal chief
That is why we have half-Yoruba man as the Emir of Kano, the biggestst Kingdom in Hausaland. That is why Arewa was led in war during the Civil War by an Angas Christian, Yakubu Gowon.

That is why the xenophobic tribalists of the west and the end time black crusaders of the east hate us and are doing their best to divide us and conquer. Come what may, we shall remain the richest in terms of resources and the largest in terms of population in Africa, Arewa is the heart of Africa. This is why the malevolent envious ones want to see it in chaos. We shall surmout the current troubles and emerge strong. We are the Phoenix that always emerges renewed from the ashes of conflagration.
We have demonstrated our capacity to uphold minority rights despite the constants instigations of the minority by the tribo-religious extremists of the South. We shall in our independent nation secure human rights, religious freedom, minority rights, cultural autonomy and we shall efface the faces of induced terrorists. Let the bakwarward tribalists and neo-crusaders die of envy. It is a quetion of time and men of my vision to take over leadership. It is written and shall it be. #Hausa Up to the Seventies we were the richest people in Africa. As the central government grows and  takes control of resources our wealth progressively dwindles. As the southerners intensify drums of hate and aggression we draw back to give peace, that is never forthcoming, a chance.

You forgot to add that Fulanis are killing all the indeginenious Hausas in the bandit,.

Kwanza:

https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/appeal-court-ruling-rivers-lagos-free-collect-vat-sans-387891/amp?__twitter_impression=true

can lawyers ever be straight forward on something!

Winters23:
Buhari thought his loopsided political appointments and policies is doing the north good, but on the long-run PMB have succeeded in opening the eyes of some southern leaders in taking what belongs to them from the North.

The north will suffer for PMB's crime a long time even after Buhari is long gone.

Buhari's wickedness have brought a lot of disaffection on his fulani people and trusting them with power again will take a whole lot of effort and hardwork.

For sure! I pity Northerners here. They have been rejoicing, INSULTING everyone one , galavanting and spewing trash on every southerner.

No be nigeria again?

The ball must turn

Joysticks:
See Lagos state fighting to collect vat when mc oluomo is the owner of nurtw, extorting money from commercial bus drivers at every park and bus stop.

Lol

And where were all these SANs when VATs belonging to States are being shared by FG.
The federal government must vomit all the stolen VATs.

AntiBMC:


U forgot Uzodimma, Umahi and Obiano. These ones are the epitome of the word, useless.

Oh! Exactly, that's true.

seunayantokun:


Spot on.

Every profession has it's own register.

APCNig:


Judges are useless miscreants who turn simple English to needless complex grammatical brouhaha

Every profession has its own register.

nencounter10:



Every profession has it's own register.

The fact that many members of the legal profession have have variously interpreted status quo ante or status ante bellum as used by the judge shows it was ambiguous in the context. So, obedience to his directive by the parties in the case could only be a matter of guessing. No matter the register, achieving clear understanding is paramount. That's when communication has taken place.

Ibkhaleel001:
[s][/s]75% of  government spending is connered by Southerners via the domination of salary earning, contracts, projects, bail outs and other interventions. Trade and industries are dominated by Southerners who have easy access to multi billion credit facilities courtesy their domination of state financial structure and instruments and institutions. 


Every ministry is dominated by them. All our markets are monopolized by them due to their control of capital that enable them to finance business and take more risk due to ease of acces to money. They conrol their markets by regular disruptuons of our businesses officially and by direct frequent violence unofficially. Their control of and easy access to liquidity enable them to be more enerprising business wise. They buy our goods cheap and sell theirs exorbitantly.


To preserve the exploitative status quo they spread false verson of the reality. They centralize oil as the main source of wealth so that our attention will be far away from other sources of wealth they dominate.

Oil is less than 10% of  Nigeria's GDP. They tell us we are the parasite and we are lazy and we are uneducated to instil a sense of guilt, self hate and inadequacy in us. We swallow all these falsehood uncritcally because we made our source of daily information their media and books. They over concentrate on our weaknesses and ignore almost completely their own weaknesses. An average Southerner having mild cold will almost by default blame it on Northerners and will not lack northerners who "speak the truth" to agree with him.


How can uneducated people have multitude of unemployed graduates? How can lazy people be producig the food of the nation? Why do millions of Southerners troop to the poor parasitic North and refuse leave?

Mister Lamention, when Awolowo was fighting to give free education to his people where were your fore fathers? When Igbos, South South and other southerners were sending there kids to school, your fathers were busy giving birth to children they will banish to almajiri system.

Today the result is backwardness for your people and you are looking for who to blame, and to reap where you did not sow.

Ibkhaleel001:
You know this VAT thing is like a basta*d child confidently demanding for DNA test in protest against sharing the inheritance with another child he or she considers to be undeserving.
If every State stands alone, you will realise that your bragging is on thin air. We have clearly seen that Lagos, Abuja, Rivers, Kano lead the pack.
If we carry out a simple VAT fertility you will see that your State is VAT impotent....and your much touted beer VAT are blank shots.
Na just gum body dey make una think say your state dey fertile.

My State of Origin is Ogun State, but I have been in Lagos since birth just like most Nigerians because our States' governors are useless and have refused to develop our States.

Mind you, Ogun State real IGR definitely surpasses any Almajari State. I am sure you know this.

We say, we no want you Almajaris again. You no get shame? Go and do you own and let us do our own. Go and continue destroying Beers while you are all on Codeine, Tramadol, Dry and Wet Gin, Refnol, Weed, e.t.c. continue your Sharia in the North, let we Yoruba Muslims practice our Islam the way we like. Or his Prophet Mohammed (SAW) your father's child or is Allah from your village. We say, leave us alone.