Galatians 3:29).
And if ye be Christ’s then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise

Our opening scripture is the sovereign declaration of the Spirit; we’re Abraham’s seed and therefore the possessors of all things, as Abraham was. Someone once asked, “As new creations, why should we declare that we’re the seed of Abraham, wasn’t Abraham of the Old Testament?”

First, Abraham lived before the Old Testament. He lived before the Law of Moses, and he lived a life of faith here on earth. When God made a promise to him as recorded in the book of Genesis, the Bible says the promises were made to Abraham and his seed. This is reiterated in Galatians 3:16:

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

Now the word “seed” used in this scripture isn’t in a pluralized form. He said

“Now to Abraham and his seed…”and that seed is Christ.

As a new creation, you belong to Christ; therefore you’re the seed of Abraham. Your association (union) with Christ automatically qualified you as the real descendant of Abraham, and by extension the possessor of all things, for God willed the whole world to Abraham.

As the seed of Abraham, you can never be disadvantaged or be defeated in life. Poverty and sickness ought not to be a part of your life. Isaac walked in super-abundance in a period of severe famine just because he was Abraham’s seed (Genesis 26:12-13). In Luke 13:12, Jesus healed the woman who had been bent double for eighteen long years. He premised her healing on the fact that she was the daughter of Abraham, showing that Abraham’s seed ought not to be sick (Luke 13:16).

As the seed of Abraham, you’ve been blessed beyond measure. Failure, sickness, disease, lack and death cannot have dominion over you; you have the right and the power to vehemently reject them from your life. The good life is yours: increase, progress, success, fruitfulness, productivity a life of glory have become your birthright because you’re the seed of Abraham:

“So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Galatians 3:9)

Joagbaje:

In Luke 13:12, Jesus healed the woman who had been bent double for eighteen long years. He premised her healing on the fact that she was the daughter of Abraham, showing that Abraham’s seed ought not to be sick (Luke 13:16).

But she was sick.

Joagbaje:

As the seed of Abraham, you’ve been blessed beyond measure. Failure, sickness, disease, lack and death cannot have dominion over you; you have the right and the power to vehemently reject them from your life. The good life is yours: increase, progress, success, fruitfulness, productivity a life of glory have become your birthright because you’re the seed of Abraham:

Now you got me all excited, i need to know, is there anything i need to do to ensure i have the good life? Do i need to do anything special to claim my birthright aside just being a seed of Abraham?

Zikkyy:

But she was sick.

That's why Jesus came. Now that he has broken the power of darkness and given us authority, we can resist the evil by our faith now when he strikes.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Peter 5:9
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Joagbaje:

That's why Jesus came. Now that he has broken the power of darkness and given us authority, we can resist the evil by our faith now when he strikes.

Thank you Jo, i believe i have seen what i was looking for. So you are saying all i require is faith for me the claim the goodies in your post below. . . . . .

Joagbaje:

Failure, sickness, disease, lack and death cannot have dominion over you; you have the right and the power to vehemently reject them from your life. The good life is yours: increase, progress, success, fruitfulness, productivity a life of glory have become your birthright

. . . . . my question then is how do i reconcile faith with the principle of exchange. Thats why i asked if i need to do more in addition to being seed of Abraham.

Principle of exchange is a demonstration of faith.

I am surprised that Sweetnecta has not pounced on this thread. Se you realise that the Abrahamic promise was very specific and that it is Moslem people that have the best claim to having fulfilled it. Or rather having it fulfilled in them.

The Abrahamic covenant, found in Genesis 15-17, is known as the Brit bein HaBetarim, the "Covenant Between the Parts" in Hebrew, and is a commandment for Brit milah in Judaism.

In Gen. 12 and 15, God grants Abram land and descendants but does not place any stipulations (unconditional). By contrast, Gen. 17 contains the covenant of circumcision (conditional).

* To make of Abraham a great nation and to bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him and all peoples on earth would be blessed through Abraham.[Gen 12:1-3]
* Circumcision is to be the permanent sign of this everlasting covenant with Abraham and his male descendants and is known as the covenant of circumcision.[Gen 17:9-14]
* To give Abraham's descendants all the land from the river (or wadi) of Egypt to the Euphrates. [Gen 15:18-21] Wadi means seasonal river in reference to the Nile Delta which flooded seasonally during those days. Later, this land came to be referred to as the Promised Land or the Land of Israel, however the land specified by the Abrahamic Covenant also includes the modern nations of Saudi Arabia, Omen, Yemen, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, and several other nations within the Middle East Region.
* To make Abraham a father of many nations and of many descendants and the land of Canaan as well as the entire middle-east to his descendant.[Gen 17:2-9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_%28biblical%29

It is hard to argue with this cos there are hardly any christians in the middle east. There are many more moslems there. And the moslems control the area, apart from Israel, but the Jews too are descendants of Abraham and circumcised.

Pastor AIO:

I am surprised that Sweetnecta has not pounced on this thread. Se you realise that the Abrahamic promise was very specific and that it is Moslem people that have the best claim to having fulfilled it. Or rather having it fulfilled in them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_%28biblical%29

It is hard to argue with this cos there are hardly any christians in the middle east. There are many more moslems there. And the moslems control the area, apart from Israel, but the Jews too are descendants of Abraham and circumcised.

Sweetnecta will be happy as a pig in sh_t when he sees this!!! Im curious to see how Joagbaje spins this though, but I know it will be epic.

Martian:

Sweetnecta will be happy as a pig in sh_t when he sees this!!! Im curious to see how Joagbaje spins this though, but I know it will be epic.

Somehow I have the feeling that it just ain't gonna happen. Perhaps it's beyond his capabilities for spin.

^^^^^^^^^^ogbeni oja; ogbon to mode ba ro pe oun gbon ni isin yin, agbalagba ti koja e lati ojo meta. i didn't like beating joeagbaje to pulp since you guys have smashed him to the ground.

i do not do anything for personal interest, but for the Glory of Almighty. i do make my mistakes since i am only human

if the god of joe who he says is partially human i see his mistakes on the pages of the bible that they use to elevate him.


i laughed each time i come to this thread. my not contributing is because you guys have made good points. why kill a man who is already dead?

you and martian have done joe in enough. why cloud his mind the more. he is probably licking his wound, regretting he started this easy picking of a thread.

tears actually ran down my cheeks for joe's ignorance when i read the 'covenant' with Abraham from islamic perspective versus the indecisive position that the same 'covenant' took when it came to the views of the christians and their godfather, the jew, as per the below link, which you pastoraio, provided. everyone saw that what they wrote from islamic point of view is just few lines that address the matter directly, while jews and christians were shifting, always.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_%28biblical%29

i know that the inu pastoraio and martian are still hard. Olorun nikon lo le soften the stone hearts. at least you guys are sincere unlike those who say they worship 1 God but in 3 God Persons.

there is no worse lie, or more despicable evil.

You've not said anything. Bring issues up let's analyse them

^^^^^^^^^^^ do you want me to remind you that your thread is titled Abrahamic Promise, yet by the end of it all, the website which pastor Aio posted is from the christian view point is talking about other persons, and ended up away from Abraham, but Jesus? Jews did the same; not staying with Abraham.


the command of God on Abraham is detail specific and what God will do for Abraham and his blood and people of other blood who adopt his faith is clear and holds true from then to this very day and to the end of time.

the essence of the covenant that brings about the commandment is to worship and obey God and no one else. Abraham made request to God that all messengers and prophets that will guide humans were to come from him from that point forward. God accepted it and says that the reward of the covenant; mercy, etc on the day of judgement shall not cover a disbeliever even if he is from your blood.

you can see that you, a christian who now have 3 gods is out of the fold of the covenant. so are the jews who now take the writings of their rabbis over the revelation of God given to them, which if they had followed it, they would have recognized Jesus son of Mary as their tribal massiah that they were expecting. both groups; jews and christians would have by what Jesus said would have followed Muhammad [as] the another comforter [Ahmad], promised to lead to all truth.

the mark of the relationship on the body is the male circumcision, which before isaac, and the time of this God Covenant with His slave; Abraham, the only son that he had, Ishmael was circumcised with him.

every prophet in history from that point on came from Abraham the father of the prophets, though many prophets had passed before Abraham. ishmael was a prophet establishing the religion of worshiping One God in the valley of becca; today's Makka as soon as he helped his father to build the kaaba. at the kaaba there is a spot called the station of Abraham [maqam Ibrahim]; this is the place he made the prayer of request that all prophets come from his bloodline, from that time forward.

God accepted it from him, and there is no prophet that came human except his ancestor is Abraham. when this prayer was made, Lot was already a prophet, making he and Abraham the two prophets existing at the same time. Ischmael, then isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph were prophets. then prophetic office was held in the bloodline of Abraham, through isaac, through the branch of jacob, ending with Jesus son of Mary. each of these messengers and prophets were local authorities. Finally came the last of all prophets and he must come from Abraham, but in tis case he is a global prophet, his message is to the whole world; in his lifetime he has to demonstrate this.

Muhammad was from Ishmael, who was the beloved and first child, the son that cooled the eyes of Abraham [as]. The letters of Muhammad [as] inviting authorities, rulers of the world so that they can bring along their citizens testify to this only world messenger and prophet;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBtOdNAXRpU


if i stop here, i can simply ask you, how do christians take themselves except in name as a possible group in the fold of what covers Abraham? you [agbaje] is only circumcised because of the yoruba tradition which remains in their lives because of their makkan origin because they are from the time that paganism was in makka that Muhammad was the leader of the community that preached against this evil called paganism and finally was victorious in the effort. it is not a command on any christian to get circumcised. this is the opposite of what happens in the lives of muslims. christianity bastardized what the world has always know; even the pagans know that there is 1 God [ask the pagan9ja guy, or a hindu near you in nigeria], the christians say God is now 3 people [persons]. should there be a singularity to 3 entities? this is part of your confusions; no wonder that you think you are part of the relationship of Abraham with his Lord. Abraham was a believer; he negated all possible association of anything with 1 God Who created and the Lord Who rules over him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6p5w5adsU4&feature=relmfu

http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=1016

@joeagbaje; « on: June 05, 2011, 05:09 PM »
[Quote]Galatians 3:29).
And if ye be Christ’s then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise

Our opening scripture is the sovereign declaration of the Spirit; we’re Abraham’s seed and therefore the possessors of all things, as Abraham was. Someone once asked, “As new creations, why should we declare that we’re the seed of Abraham, wasn’t Abraham of the Old Testament?”

First, Abraham lived before the Old Testament. He lived before the Law of Moses, and he lived a life of faith here on earth. When God made a promise to him as recorded in the book of Genesis, the Bible says the promises were made to Abraham and his seed. This is reiterated in Galatians 3:16:

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

Now[b] the word “seed” used in this scripture isn’t in a pluralized form[/b]. He said

“Now to Abraham and his seed…”and that seed is Christ.[/Quote]note that Paul wrote the book of Galatians, which you are now heaping on a non talking spirit that jesus called the another comforter who shall speak so loud that his audience will here him, because he is such a servant of God that he did not know what God we tell him to say to people until he hears it from God. how is God having such a description of a slave of God, unless the slave have been erroneously called God? shouldn't God knows His own thoughts without having to wait to here from Himself from another location before He delivers His own message? you are very confused, joe. i will analyse your confusion, perchance you may hear the whistle of the hunter.


shouldn't the seed of Abraham be the one that ends it all? when he passed up the responsibility, you know that is beyond his league. i say that if you say there is only one who is important so much so that you disregard others before him, that seed is after Jesus and not Jesus because Jesus said this seed is to come as another comforter, a teacher [prophets of God are teachers from God], a corrector, glorifying Jesus without exaggerating or diminishing his quality, leading to all truth. as i have posted above earlier, you see the videos of the letters written for Muhammad [as] which he invited the world to the worship of 1 God and not your Triune entities.




[Quote] As a new creation, you belong to Christ; therefore you’re the seed of Abraham. Your association (union) with Christ automatically qualified you as the real descendant of Abraham, and by extension the possessor of all things, for God willed the whole world to Abraham.

As the seed of Abraham, you can never be disadvantaged or be defeated in life. Poverty and sickness ought not to be a part of your life. Isaac walked in super-abundance in a period of severe famine just because he was Abraham’s seed (Genesis 26:12-13). In Luke 13:12, Jesus healed the woman who had been bent double for eighteen long years. He premised her healing on the fact that she was the daughter of Abraham, showing that Abraham’s seed ought not to be sick (Luke 13:16).[/Quote]how did God willed the whole world to Abraham, except producing the rest of messengers and prophets to come from the moment the covenant was ratified are going to come from him? please tell us and give supporting evidence. isaac was blind and his wife was a deceit, who hated her hard working son, esau for no apparent reason. is this a family success in your mind? will you want your life to be the exact life of Isaac, or even that of Jacob who became blind, had a son sold by other sons, and the bible showed how deceitful he was in business dealing, or the life of never married and finally killed by hanging cursing him soul Jesus son of Mary? i love the life of Muhammad [as] and it was a good life.




[Quote]As the seed of Abraham, you’ve been blessed beyond measure. Failure, sickness, disease, lack and death cannot have dominion over you; you have the right and the power to vehemently reject them from your life. The good life is yours: increase, progress, success, fruitfulness, productivity a life of glory have become your birthright because you’re the seed of Abraham:

“So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Galatians 3:9)[/Quote]in Nigeria, there are poor christians. i know there are poor christians around the world. the most expensive home is around 1 B USD owned by a hindu in India. the wealthiest man is an arab mexican. he is not a christian. bill gates is not a believer of any God. you see how wrong you are?




@Joagbaje (m) « #2 on: June 05, 2011, 06:11 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Zikkyy on June 05, 2011, 05:52 PM
But she was sick.

That's why Jesus came.[/Quote]the reason Jesus was sent instead of your 'came' is because the woman was sick? this is completely erroneous.




[Quote]Now that he has broken the power of darkness and given us authority, we can resist the evil by our faith now when he strikes.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Peter 5:9
9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.[/Quote]job was sinless. yet he was afflicted. muslims say i seek refuge with God against the accursed satan. apart from your blind faith which is baseless what do you say against satan because i see afflictions on christians? crone disease afflicts christians and jews. some of the worst conditions you will find in the jewish and christian communities. why hasn't jesus helped you since you are now the seeds because jesus is the seed? i thought there is no plural, or it is the same game of 3 gods that you deceitfully say 1 God to fool the blinds?

joe, if you haven't invited me to respond to you, ogbeni pastor's coyness would have meant nothing to me.

^^^^ You see what I mean Pastor Joe, you don't need holy spirit to speak gibberish.

^^^^^^^ is it my post that is gibberish or you are telling joe that in actuality what he says about tongues is gibberish?

we are not in a yoruba family setting here, so you pastoraio is free to say whats on your mind. no one older than you still younger than me

will dide to fo eti e if your 'comment' is meaning my post.

but joeagbaje's argument is that the christians are the heirs of the relationship of Abraham to his Lord which is obedience to Commandment of God.

how are the christians this 'heir' when they disregard what Jesus did, even in the way he prayed, etc sincerely to God, and followed the precepts of everything Abraham; total submission to the Will 'Command' of God?

the muslim says 'i hear and i obey you oh God, forgive me my sins and you are the One Who accepts repentance.

you see the difference? one is saying it without actions; it does not reach the heart, but always on the tongue.

the other actualizes statement by action.