I tendered conditions for my reconvertion to christianity on this thread but not even a christian and God could make the tie for my conversion. Am I to continue saying christianity isn't for me and my people? Is God of the christians specifically for some set of people? I think the only answer here is that christianity or Jesus is not for everybody. Even the bible reveal this to us.....so why do we still have Africans who are christians?

I am an atheist; spiritual atheist specifically who embrace African spirituality. It is a shame for me as an atheist to kick against my ancestral belief like some African atheist do. It is a shame that some can defend Buddhism and other Eastern spirituality but cant say anything about their ancestral belief. As a Yoruba, no matter the length I travel, no matter my education and civilization I am expose to, I cant deny my heritage, spirituality and history for anything. My message is for Africans and it beat every person including the faith you belong. Considering this thread, I am not arguing on 'my God is better than yours' or 'your religion is false'. This is a call for all Africans to reason along with their ancestral spirituality through Abrahamic faith which most hold onto. I will cut my point across the three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, christianity and Islam). These three religions have scared scriptures which explain about each religion, the message of the said faith and those the message are directed to. For Judaism, I will use Old testament (since it copied from Torah); for Christianity, I will use the New Testament or Gospel; and for Islam, I will choose the quran.



[size=18pt]JUDAISM[/size]

Judaism is a religious tradition with origins dating back nearly four thousand years, rooted in the ancient near eastern region of Canaan (which is now Israel and Palestinian territories). Originating as the beliefs and practices of the people known as "Israel," classical, or rabbinic, Judaism did not emerge until the 1st century C.E. Judaism traces its heritage to the covenant God made with Abraham and his lineage — that God would make them a sacred people and give them a holy land. The primary figures of Israelite culture include the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophet Moses, who received God's law at Mt. Sinai. Judaism is a tradition grounded in the religious, ethical, and social laws as they are articulated in the Torah. Moses was the main founder of Judaism, but Jews can trace their history back as far as Abraham. They worship in synagogue and are represented with the star of David.

[size=18pt]What old testament says about Judaism, and who it message are directed to[/size]

Deuteronomy 7:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Psalm 78:71
King James Version

71 From following the ewes great with young he brought him to feed Jacob his people, and Israel his inheritance.

^^^the above is showing us that bible God is more concerned about Israel his inheritance. Why are African forcing themselves on this tribalistic God who got nothing to offer them?



[size=18pt]CHRISTIANITY[/size]

Christianity developed out of Judaism in the 1st century C.E. It is founded on the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and those who follow him are called "Christians." Christian history begins with the life and death of Jesus Christ and continues with the formation of the early Christian church, Emperor Constantine's Holy Roman Empire and the great schism into Eastern and Western Christianity. His birth is believed by Christians to be the fulfilment of prophecies in the Jewish Old Testament, which claimed that a Messiah would deliver the Jewish people from captivity. Their scared scripture is the gospel including hebrew scripture...they worship in church and hold symbol of cross.

[size=18pt]What the Gospel says about Christianity, and who it message are directed to[/size]

Matthew 15:24
King James Version (KJV)

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-10
King James Version (KJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

^^^above reveal that Jesus didnt give a damn about anybody except jew/israel. Why are Africans today christian despite this tribalistic message and segregation?

[size=18pt]ISLAM[/size]

Islam is a monotheistic religious tradition that developed in the Middle East in the 7th century C.E. Islam, which literally means "surrender" or "submission," was founded on the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as an expression of surrender to the will of Allah, the creator and sustainer of the world. The Quran, the sacred text of Islam, contains the teachings of the Prophet that were revealed to him from Allah. Islam faith started by prophet mohamed was composed of Judaism, christianity and eastern cultures. Muslim worship in mosque and the symbol of Islam is a moon and a star.

[size=18pt]What the Quran say about Islam, and who it message are directed to[/size]

Quran 6:92
Sahih International

And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers. (The mother of towns, Umul Qura, is Mecca.)

42:7
Sahih International

And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an that you may warn the Mother of Cities ]Makkah[ and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze.

^^^the above reveal that prophet mohamed brought Islam through a revelation/final message directed at the people in mecca. I heard some Muslims say, around it means everywhere. That is not the definition of around it. When we say Rome and around it, we don’t include Paris, London, Tokyo, New York, Enugu, Ile-Ife or Sokoto as Romes surroundings.




[size=28pt]WHAT EACH ABRAHAMIC FAITH SAY ABOUT TRIBALISM, TRIBAL GODS AND TRIBAL SPIRITUALITY[/size]

• Judaism : Micah 4:5

For all the nations walk, each in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of Yahweh our God, forever and ever.

commentary : each race, tribe, group, nation, country and household of people are expected to walk in the name their Gods while Israel will go for what belong to them which is Yahweh. If the Old scripture can state this, why are Africans following what doesn't belong to them?

• Christianity : 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords", yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Commentary : The gospel reveal that there are many Gods and many Lords both on Earth and in Heaven. But 'us' (paul was a jew) have one God and one Lord. Where are the other Gods and Lords? Definately they are attributed to people. So Paul is informing us that 'us' (him and his people) are entitled to Jehovah and Jesus. Why on earth are Africans giving themselves headache about another God/Lord?

[b]• Islam : Quran 10:47

And for every people there is a Messenger.

Quran 14:4

And WE have not sent any Messenger except with revelation in the language of his people in order that he might make things clear to them.

Quran 16:36

And WE did raise among every people a Messenger

Commentary : If these verses are true, then Islam is not for non-Arabs. The Quran attests that every people have received their divine message in their own language so they can understand it and the Quran is for Arabs. These verses leave no room for misunderstanding. Allah is saying that every people has had their own messenger who warned them in their own language, and that Muhammad is for those who have not yet received any guidance, and whose fathers were not warned, i.e. the Arabs. In this way they won’t have any excuse and can’t say, but we did not receive any message...... Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa including all African tribes have their messengers sent to them..... Why are Africans still submitting themselves to other tribe messengers, religion, faith, God and Lord? Why are we selling our identity, why are we burying our history, why are we stamping on our spirituality?

Africans are still suffering from denial of self otherwise known as mental slavery. If African knew themselves, they'd know that the three major western religions are fairly new in terms of spiritual practices. All Africans need to open a book and start to look at their ancient ancestors in Kush/Nubia/Kemet, Nigeria (Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa), Dogon, Ethiopia, etc etc. There are facts and research which shows that christianity, islam and judaism are all similar and have stolen their knowledge from Ancent Afrika! For how long are we going to enslave ourselves into the nations that enslaved our ancestors? I think we should go back to our own ways of praying to the Almighty, instead of embracing the very same religions that played a part in our slavery.


What is your opinion fellow brethren, correct me if i am wrong.

Have U read any book or done any study on the history of the Yoruba and where they came from?

Mr President: Have U read any book or done any study on the history of the Yoruba and where they came from?

I know where you are going bro. And it the nonsense judah which you dont have evidence for. So better stick to fact rather than inferiorizing your identity.

I got my historical about origin from oral tradition (patakis). You can hold your mumbo jumbo to yourself cuz I got shame and respect my ancestral Identity

FOLYKAZE:

I know where you are going bro. And it the nonsense judah which you dont have evidence for. So better stick to fact rather than inferiorizing your identity.

I got my historical about origin from oral tradition (patakis). You can hold your mumbo jumbo to yourself cuz I got shame and respect my ancestral Identity

There is evidence if you will just calm down and stop overrating your intelligence

Mr President:

There is evidence if you will just calm down and stop overrating your intelligence

Overrating my intelligence? Pls can you stop accusing me with this your boxed falsehood?

You asked a question and I answered you that I heard oral tradition......Yoruba history is not something that a book can cover. My own lineage can fill a whole library if we want to detail everything about it so why would you be expecting a whole Yoruba history in a book written by confused fellow?

If you want to sell and promote your inferiority knowledge which is tied in a piece of book, go do that to gullible folks. Yoruba people aint from Israel or judah. The wise people say if you want to hide something to African, keep it in the book. Sell your book to your mind......I AM NOT A JUDAH BUT YORUBA.

The only evidence you can provide me is to provide your own lineage between your grandfather to ten generation. I will provide you twenty names from my generational line. If you can provide the linkage and name of your ancestors to the tenth generation, I will take you serious and know you got reasonable thing to provide. If you cant, pls get lost with your garbage

Mr President:

There is evidence if you will just calm down and stop overrating your intelligence

Which evidence? And Mr president, are u trying to tell us our origin?

@FOLYKAZE
When you have read the book 'History of the Yoruba' by Rev. Samuel Johnson then we can talk better. Until then, continue raving like the confused and ignorant fellow that you are.

You can get the book at CSS Bookshop, Lagos Island.
Last time I checked it was =N=2,500

Mr President: @FOLYKAZE
When you have read the book 'History of the Yoruba' by Rev. Samuel Johnson then we can talk better. Until then, continue raving like the confused and ignorant fellow that you are.

You can get the book at CSS Bookshop, Lagos Island.
Last time I checked it was =N=2,500

A book from a confused fellow who sold himself cheap for recognition? Man if you cant trace your own history with name from your grandfather back to tenth generation, just get lost.

That is the only case that can made me recognise your Bs. I need you to convince me you know yourself, your lineage and history rather than one useless and lost soul wrote in the book.

FOLYKAZE:

A book from a confused fellow who sold himself cheap for recognition? Man if you cant trace your own history with name from your grandfather back to tenth generation, just get lost.

That is the only case that can made me recognise your Bs. I need you to convince me you know yourself, your lineage and history rather than one useless and lost soul wrote in the book.

Ignoramus. Open your head to knowledge and stop pretending to be intelligent.
If I were you, I will google the book first.

Mr President:

Ignoramus. Open your head to knowledge and stop pretending to be intelligent.
If I were you, I will google the book first.

If I were you, I will bury my head in shame and cry to my dad to tell me my lineage. You are best tag bastard and dog which got no tail. If you have one, you would have provide it here.

I dont need to google garbage since I know foolish things are contained on internet. Just go straight to your dad and the chief in your family circle to tell you your history and lineage. You got no shame bro.....get lost

President u are a big fool

I thought u even knew something or had valuable knowledge, you read from a confused and deluded man like Samuel Johnson and come here to spread foolishness.

Mr President: @FOLYKAZE
When you have read the book 'History of the Yoruba' by Rev. Samuel Johnson then we can talk better. Until then, continue raving like the confused and ignorant fellow that you are.

You can get the book at CSS Bookshop, Lagos Island.
Last time I checked it was =N=2,500

I aint gonna read any book by a dumb pastor and christian slave/reverend.

Their objective is to spread their religion through lies and deceit as theyve always succeeded in doing.

@FOLYKAZE

A couple things:

Conversion to Christianity isn't based on based on God or Christians satisfying a condition that suits you. I think that if you are a sincere skeptic really searching for God, you will find him. The first thing though is to remove pride or self-righteousness from your person. Please note that I didn't say to check your brains at the door as some like to assert that Christians have abandoned the use of their brains.

The point is this: God responds to a sincere heart.

The main question you asked about why people such as myself follow the Christian faith rather than the traditional Yoruba faith is simply because no other faith besides the Christian one deals squarely with the issue of sin: it's consequences and the remedy.

It never ceases to amaze me how atheists will say that African Christians are still slaves to the white man when:
1. The Gospel was brought by and to Jews (not white)
2. Africans were among some of the earliest converts (the coptics in Egypt, the churches in Ethiopia)
3. As you rightly pointed out, many atheists ridicule their ancestral spiritual heritage as primitive and backwards but will sing the praises of eastern religions like Buddhism, Sikhism, etc
4. Most atheists espouse western thought and ideals, telling us to depart from our own paths and in essence be like the white man. Think as he thinks, act like he acts, value the things he values, etc

If you are pointing out that those who brought the gospel to Africa also included western thought in the package then I don't disagree, but the Gospel can stand outside of western thought. Take the Aladura Churches for example, these are churches for Africans by Africans.

In short, you took verses out of their context to use them as evidence for your position which weakens your argument. Secondly, I do not see my acceptance of the Judeo-Christian as the same as rejecting my ancestral past; the religion of my ancestors is unable to address the critical issue of sin.

Lastly it isn't non-traditional religion that victimizes us, it's our own lack of self awareness but that's another topic.

I apologize for jumping around.

NativeBoy: @FOLYKAZE

A couple things:

Conversion to Christianity isn't based on based on God or Christians satisfying a condition that suits you. I think that if you are a sincere skeptic really searching for God, you will find him. The first thing though is to remove pride or self-righteousness from your person. Please note that I didn't say to check your brains at the door as some like to assert that Christians have abandoned the use of their brains.

The point is this: God responds to a sincere heart.

The main question you asked about why people such as myself follow the Christian faith rather than the traditional Yoruba faith is simply because no other faith besides the Christian one deals squarely with the issue of sin: it's consequences and the remedy.

It never ceases to amaze me how atheists will say that African Christians are still slaves to the white man when:
1. The Gospel was brought by and to Jews (not white)
2. Africans were among some of the earliest converts (the coptics in Egypt, the churches in Ethiopia)
3. As you rightly pointed out, many atheists ridicule their ancestral spiritual heritage as primitive and backwards but will sing the praises of eastern religions like Buddhism, Sikhism, etc
4. Most atheists espouse western thought and ideals, telling us to depart from our own paths and in essence be like the white man. Think as he thinks, act like he acts, value the things he values, etc

If you are pointing out that those who brought the gospel to Africa also included western thought in the package then I don't disagree, but the Gospel can stand outside of western thought. Take the Aladura Churches for example, these are churches for Africans by Africans.

In short, you took verses out of their context to use them as evidence for your position which weakens your argument. Secondly, I do not see my acceptance of the Judeo-Christian as the same as rejecting my ancestral past; the religion of my ancestors is unable to address the critical issue of sin.

Lastly it isn't non-traditional religion that victimizes us, it's our own lack of self awareness but that's another topic.

I apologize for jumping around.

You are a sensible poster. therefore I shall reply to you appropriately.

sin and morality is subject to custom and your social culture, not Spirituality (Religion).

Howevver the concept of Karma is an old one and your reap what you sow. In our Trad. Beliefs, if you do wrong and contribute negative energies, you receive them back in return. There is no escape, no forgiveness , nothing.

the only way is for you to contribute more positive work in order to lessen the negative energy.

Most of the moral stuff written in the bible was already known before its conception. Its allright to use the bible as a book of morality (wherever appicable), but as a book of Spirituality, this is wrong. THere is hardly anything spiritual about the bible. For that, You need to look towards the Religion of your ancestors.

Morality can be learned by your elders, parents, school, etc.

As for your points:

1) Middle-Easterns/Semites. still a foreign group.
However the bible in its present form was thoroughly edited and brought to us by the whites. The whites completely adopted it to their requirements and imposed it on us.

2) You are neither Copt, nor Ethiopian. It is still a Foreign religion to you. ANd btw the Copts were converted by force. I dont need to remind you of the burning of the Great Pagan Libraries of Alexandria.

3)just as christians do. Theough christains are millitant against us and will attempt to destroy us wherever possible , brand us witch, etc.

4)Just as christians do.

PAGAN 9JA:



You are a sensible poster. therefore I shall reply to you appropriately.

sin and morality is subject to custom and your social culture, not Spirituality (Religion).

Howevver the concept of Karma is an old one and your reap what you sow. In our Trad. Beliefs, if you do wrong and contribute negative energies, you receive them back in return. There is no escape, no forgiveness , nothing.

the only way is for you to contribute more positive work in order to lessen the negative energy.

Most of the moral stuff written in the bible was already known before its conception. Its allright to use the bible as a book of morality (wherever appicable), but as a book of Spirituality, this is wrong. THere is hardly anything spiritual about the bible. For that, You need to look towards the Religion of your ancestors.

Morality can be learned by your elders, parents, school, etc.

As for your points:

1) Middle-Easterns/Semites. still a foreign group.
However the bible in its present form was thoroughly edited and brought to us by the whites. The whites completely adopted it to their requirements and imposed it on us.

2) You are neither Copt, nor Ethiopian. It is still a Foreign religion to you. ANd btw the Copts were converted by force. I dont need to remind you of the burning of the Great Pagan Libraries of Alexandria.

3)just as christians do. Theough christains are millitant against us and will attempt to destroy us wherever possible , brand us witch, etc.

4)Just as christians do.

You said it all bro..... I dont need to say much anymore.

@ Nativeboy, if you read the OP very well, you will understand I am not preaching any religion but sending a call or message to Africans to hold what belong to them. This message cut across atheism to Islam and christianity.

Also I dont do cherry picking. I chose the best verse to backup my points.....you cant expect me to quote whole bible here. If there are anything wrong in my bible quote, kindly show me.

Writing this was a motivation from the biography of rev. Ogunbiyi who founded Reform Ogboni frat. He was a christian, he lead churches and was highly respect. Despite, he didn't ignore Asebaye. They still worship Orisa in Ogboni today and I am proud I saw some pastors there too.

You were a christian because you were indoctrinated. You didn't make the choice. How long are you going to stand against your fathers?

Considering your query on sin...... In yoruba, sin is more social and cultural. In term of spirituality, it temper with your Ori. Have you every heard 'oun a ba gbin la n ka, asegbe kan o si' meaning whatever you sow you reap, there is no cause without an effect. That is why you have your Ori to guild you and stay by you in everything. Your Ori is your saviour......why are you ignoring it for another jew who doesn't care about you?

FOLYKAZE, PAGAN 9JA, and Macof, you boys multiply words absent knowledge and intelligence.
The book 'History of the Yorubas' was written before any of you's grandfather was born.

Unfortunately for you boys, the secrets have not been given to you and will not be given to you because you are insincere. You are wicked beings and you will be duly recompensed when it is time.

@FOLYKAZE, hear yourself
'Writing this was a motivation from the biography of rev. Ogunbiyi who founded Reform Ogboni frat. He was a christian, he lead churches and was highly respect. Despite, he didn't ignore Asebaye. They still worship Orisa in Ogboni today and I am proud I saw some pastors there too'.

Shouldnt it rouse your curiosity that rather than abandon christianity for 'traditional African beliefs' Rev. Ogunbiyi still persisted in it? Why did did the Rev. gentleman not renounce christianity for total 'traditional African beliefs' when he became 'enlightened' as you have?

Orisa worship is not isembaiye. When the ROF was founded, it was only opened to christians but 'As time went on the founder considered it necessary to admit non-Christians, provided such entrants embrace a non-idolatrous believe in God'. Why the emphasis on non-idolatrous belief in God, why is it the major criteria, Have you ever wondered why?

Mr President: FOLYKAZE, PAGAN 9JA, and Macof, you boys multiply words absent knowledge and intelligence.
The book 'History of the Yorubas' was written before any of you's grandfather was born.

Unfortunately for you boys, the secrets have not been given to you and will not be given to you because you are insincere. You are wicked beings and you will be duly recompensed when it is time.

@FOLYKAZE, hear yourself
'Writing this was a motivation from the biography of rev. Ogunbiyi who founded Reform Ogboni frat. He was a christian, he lead churches and was highly respect. Despite, he didn't ignore Asebaye. They still worship Orisa in Ogboni today and I am proud I saw some pastors there too'.

Shouldnt it rouse your curiosity that rather than abandon christianity for 'traditional African beliefs' Rev. Ogunbiyi still persisted in it? Why did did the Rev. gentleman not renounce christianity for total 'traditional African beliefs' when he became 'enlightened' as you have?

Orisa worship is not isembaiye. When the ROF was founded, it was only opened to christians but 'As time went on the founder considered it necessary to admit non-Christians, provided such entrants embrace a non-idolatrous believe in God'. Why the emphasis on non-idolatrous belief in God, why is it the major criteria, Have you ever wondered why?

does this guy knw me?

macof:

does this guy knw me?

U started it Macof, you and folake. Ignoramuses both of you.

I hit a bullseye right?

Seek knowledge you infantile mind and never hide under the cover of anonymity to insult your betters.

Practitioner of isembaiye, now answer my questions about the Ogboni

Mr President:

U started it Macof, you and folake. Ignoramuses both of you.

I hit a bullseye right?

Seek knowledge you infantile mind and never hide under the cover of anonymity to insult your betters.

Practitioner of isembaiye, now answer my questions about the Ogboni

dude Every thing I tell u is absolute truth. when I say u are foolish its due to the kind of things u post.

imagine reading frm Samuel johnson about Yoruba origin

Mr President: FOLYKAZE, PAGAN 9JA, and Macof, you boys multiply words absent knowledge and intelligence.
The book 'History of the Yorubas' was written before any of you's grandfather was born.

Unfortunately for you boys, the secrets have not been given to you and will not be given to you because you are insincere. You are wicked beings and you will be duly recompensed when it is time.

@FOLYKAZE, hear yourself
'Writing this was a motivation from the biography of rev. Ogunbiyi who founded Reform Ogboni frat. He was a christian, he lead churches and was highly respect. Despite, he didn't ignore Asebaye. They still worship Orisa in Ogboni today and I am proud I saw some pastors there too'.

Shouldnt it rouse your curiosity that rather than abandon christianity for 'traditional African beliefs' Rev. Ogunbiyi still persisted in it? Why did did the Rev. gentleman not renounce christianity for total 'traditional African beliefs' when he became 'enlightened' as you have?

Orisa worship is not isembaiye. When the ROF was founded, it was only opened to christians but 'As time went on the founder considered it necessary to admit non-Christians, provided such entrants embrace a non-idolatrous believe in God'. Why the emphasis on non-idolatrous belief in God, why is it the major criteria, Have you ever wondered why?

You were asked to provide us your lineage or you get lost. How can someone who cant trace his history back to tenth generation talk about yoruba history? Lost goat. We know your brain is in a book....provide what you asked and not silly rants

FOLYKAZE:

You were asked to provide us your lineage or you get lost. How can someone who cant trace his history back to tenth generation talk about yoruba history? Lost goat. We know your brain is in a book....provide what you asked and not silly rants

what do u expect from a christian of his calibre who places his brain in the bible?

FOLYKAZE:

You were asked to provide us your lineage or you get lost. How can someone who cant trace his history back to tenth generation talk about yoruba history? Lost goat. We know your brain is in a book....provide what you asked and not silly rants

macof: dude Every thing I tell u is absolute truth. when I say u are foolish its due to the kind of things u post.

imagine reading frm Samuel johnson about Yoruba origin

Samuel Johnson was a Yoruba man. Open your head to knowledge and stop multiplying words that emphasize your ignorance

He wrote that book before your grandfather was born.


The question you boys should ask yourself is this, if the Ogboni expressly state that they admit members of all religions as long as they are not idolatrous, what then is the original religion of the Yorubas?

And for your information boys, Ifa is not indigenous to the Yoruba, Oduduwa was taught Ifa by Setilu (Agboniregun) when he arrived Ile-ife.

Ignoramuses!

Mr President:


Samuel Johnson was a Yoruba man. Open your head to knowledge and stop multiplying words that emphasize your ignorance

He wrote that book before your grandfather was born.


The question you boys should ask yourself is this, if the Ogboni expressly state that they admit members of all religions as long as they are not idolatrous, what then is the original religion of the Yorubas?

And for your information boys, Ifa is not indigenous to the Yoruba, Oduduwa was taught Ifa by Setilu (Agboniregun) when he arrived Ile-ife.

Ignoramuses!

E gba mi o. ifa is indigenous to the ancient kilama tribe of lost atlantis abi?

u are big fool

macof:

E gba mi o. ifa is indigenous to the ancient kilama tribe of lost atlantis abi?

u are big fool

Answer my question you bloody buffoon, what is the original religion of the Yoruba if the traditional custodians of her history expressly forbid idolatry?

Mr President:

Answer my question you bloody buffoon, what is the original religion of the Yoruba if the traditional custodians of her history expressly forbid idolatry?

dude u are going dumber by the secound
how can u ask of the original religion of a people? when u hear "paganism" wat comes to ur mind?

macof:

dude u are going dumber by the secound
how can u ask of the original religion of a people? when u hear "paganism" wat comes to ur mind?

pa·gan·ism
noun \ˈpā-gə-ˌni-zəm\

: the state of being pagan

: a religion that has many gods or goddesses, considers the earth holy, and does not have a central authority

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paganism.

The custodians of Yoruba history, culture and traditions say they do not admit idolaters (pagans), what then is the original religion or original concept of deity believed on by the Yoruba? Answer this question and stop trying to be intelligent.

I have answered you and Folake on this thread for the sake of the ones who will review it later. Both of you are wicked souls and accordingly have been blinded.

I commend you to your ignorance and foolishness.

Mr President:

pa·gan·ism
noun \ˈpā-gə-ˌni-zəm\

: the state of being pagan

: a religion that has many gods or goddesses, considers the earth holy, and does not have a central authority

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paganism.

The custodians of Yoruba history, culture and traditions say they do not admit idolaters (pagans), what then is the original religion or original concept of deity believed on by the Yoruba? Answer this question and stop trying to be intelligent.

I have answered you and Folake on this thread for the sake of the ones who will review it later. Both of you are wicked souls and accordingly have been blinded.

I commend you to your ignorance and foolishness.

lol this guy needs to go to school.
why do u keep reading from stupid books?

Mr President:

Shouldnt it rouse your curiosity that rather than abandon christianity for 'traditional African beliefs' Rev. Ogunbiyi still persisted in it? Why did did the Rev. gentleman not renounce christianity for total 'traditional African beliefs' when he became 'enlightened' as you have?

politics, jobs, fitting into "modern" society, money-business.

Mr President:


Samuel Johnson was a Yoruba man. Open your head to knowledge and stop multiplying words that emphasize your ignorance

He wrote that book before your grandfather was born.


The question you boys should ask yourself is this, if the Ogboni expressly state that they admit members of all religions as long as they are not idolatrous, what then is the original religion of the Yorubas?

And for your information boys, Ifa is not indigenous to the Yoruba, Oduduwa was taught Ifa by Setilu (Agboniregun) when he arrived Ile-ife.

Ignoramuses!

So you cant trace your lineage. You are a BASTARD. Go and ask where your mami got you from.

Ifa is from Orunmila not Oduduwa. Foolish slave.

Mr President:

Answer my question you bloody buffoon, what is the original religion of the Yoruba if the traditional custodians of her history expressly forbid idolatry?

Aborisa. Do you know the meaning? Chai this guy is foolish.

Tell us your ancestral history omoale ti o niran.

Mr President:

pa·gan·ism
noun \ˈpā-gə-ˌni-zəm\

: the state of being pagan

: a religion that has many gods or goddesses, considers the earth holy, and does not have a central authority

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paganism.

The custodians of Yoruba history, culture and traditions say they do not admit idolaters (pagans), what then is the original religion or original concept of deity believed on by the Yoruba? Answer this question and stop trying to be intelligent.

I have answered you and Folake on this thread for the sake of the ones who will review it later. Both of you are wicked souls and accordingly have been blinded.

I commend you to your ignorance and foolishness.

who is folake?

So you dont know your ancestors were aborisa? 401 orisa is monotheism huh? You are really foolish.

And you were saying one foolish man wrote a book before my grandfather. I know where my grandfather was buried, I know the year he died and can tell you if you are lying or not.

You cant tell us yoruba history without telling us your own history. You are a big shame to your ancestors. Your mother should have abort you back then now you are selling her identity for bogus you were feed with.