MindHacker9009:
Comments above so far suggest 2 possibilities, one side is for the Book of Enoch and the other side is for the holy spirit revelation, the question now is who is right as there can only be one answer to this.

In addition to the revelations so far attributed to the Holy Spirit, in Hebrews it was revealed how by faith Abel gave an acceptable offering over Cain and many other previously unknown revelations.

RepoMan007:

In addition to the revelations so far attributed to the Holy Spirit, in Hebrews it was revealed how by faith Abel gave an acceptable offering over Cain and many other previously unknown revelations.

There is a spirit being that's working day and night to confuse people so that many may lose interest in God's word, his name is "Satan"
The truth is that Enoch lived during the time when all the people around him were wicked, back then God has not inspired anyone to write a single thing about the events happening on earth.
The first person God inspired was Moses and he was useful because Moses grew up in Egypt where he was treated as a member of the royal family, there he was given the best education so he could read and write.
That's why all the events that happened before then was written by Moses.

Satan only fabricated lies and used his human agents to forward it to unsuspecting, gullible people who were taken into spiritistic acts.
Satan used Enoch's name since Jude referred to the faithful man.
After Moses's death Satan tried to use Moses's appearance as a means to lure God's people Into believing that Moses has turned to a ghost just as most dead people were used.
What Satan often does is photocopy the person's physic then use it whenever Satan wants to pass messages that could trigger the believe in living dead (ghost)

But before Satan could get there an angel is already preparing Moses's body for burial so Satan wasn't given access to photocopy Moses, Satan began dragging with the angel then Archangel Michael came to rescue the situation. Had it been Satan succeeded in his attempt the Israelites will just be seeing Moses here and there as if he's still alive somewhere whereas Moses is no more! Read 1Samuel 28:5-15

NNTR:
Its actually 'you who still dont get it' sic

Dont have 1 valid proof of exactly what?

Just exactly what outside the bible

See how you dont understand the implcation of the 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and - 2 Peter 1:21 two verses that xproducer put forward

The only thing you got right is typing 'I dont know it i am making sense' sic because truly arent making sense. Nno insult intended here with that observation

Let the christians speak for themselves

So as for me, give me a babalawo translated bible and I'll demolish arguments therein it with the presentation of facts, truth and reality.

Do you throw away the baby out with the bathwater?

What if the Sanhedrin in collaboration with the Romans killed Jesus? What of it?

Dont you know that the Sanhedrin when in collaboration with the Romans killed Jesus, that what they meant evil against Him, God allowed it for good in order to bring about this present outcome, that many people would be kept alive?[as they are this day]

Your point be what now?

The Portuguese did

You are unnecessarily hyperbolising and misrepresenting the fact

Surah Yunus, [10:94]:
فَإِن كُنتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ

The Quran in Surah 10:94, as seen above, evidently is advising Muslims, to receive good information from non-Muslim believers of Allah. Now who do you think 'People of Book' mentioned in that is referring to?

Have you at all any idea of anything called the Spirit of Truth?

So, if you know all these, then why are you fraternising with Islam?

Bible translations aren't necessarily holy nor wholly God inspired

So which book carries the right information and which book doesn't carry the right information then?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

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LordReed:
If Jude is trying to make a point by referencing another book then it stands to reason that if you consider Jude valid then the book it is referncing is also valid. If Jude is canon then Enoch should be canon but what do I know, fantasy makers gonna make fantasy.

You often like as seen above see me make a point by referencing the Quran, another book when it stands to reason that I consider the Quran valid.

When I quote and reference Quran verses to my dear beloved Muslim brethren and sisters e.g. AntiChristian, it doesnt imply its valid or holds water, but essentially what I am doing with it, is using a nail to drive out a nail.

Apostle Jude and Apostle Peter before him, where not endorsing the BoE, but actually were castigating others reading and believing it

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:

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You often like as seen above see me make a point by referencing the Quran, another book when it stands to reason that I consider the Quran valid.

When I quote and reference Quran verses to my dear beloved Muslim brethren and sisters e.g. AntiChristian, it doesnt imply its valid or holds water, but essentially what I am doing with it, is using a nail to drive out a nail.

Apostle Jude and Apostle Peter before him, where not endorsing the BoE, but actually were castigating others reading and believing it

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Point out how this:

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Is a castigation of the book of Enoch and those reading it.

odysey:
did you know that a couple of folks sat and debated what should be in the Bible, including the books?

Jeremiah 17:9
'The heart is deceitful above all things And it is extremely sick;
Who can understand it fully and know its secret motives?'

Do you know one of the reasons why the head, is above the heart?

Crooked is the heart, above all things, so its good that those couple of folks sat and debated what should be in the Bible, including the books. That way they didnt follow their heart, didnt do things based on emotions or based on what they feel but rather did what is sensible rationale and logical using their heads and not emotional hearts.

So for the couple of folks that sat and debated what should be in the Bible, including the books the head being above ruled the heart on that day(s) thank God.

odysey:
Don't decide until you read the book for yourself

Please be informed that the BoE is a hoax and that though Apostles Peter & Jude rightly quoted from it, they both actually were quoting part of it to an audience, familiar with the book.

Listen grab a chair and sit down before reading whats coming next.

Its a given that, all scripture are God inspired. Make no mistake about this that, all 'many versions to a story' are not God inspired and this includes, all apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books. Now especially talking of BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch,) it is for the same very strong reason, why it didn't make it into the 66 canon

Now, here is the point odysey, and let me clear you on whats going on here with all those apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, like the beloved and coveted BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch) that some are besotted with, Jubilees, BoJ (i.e. the Book of Jasher,) Book of A&E (i.e. the Book of Adam and Eve,) Book of Noah et cetera

The reason why all those apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, like BoE, Jubilees, BoJ, Book of A&E, Book of Noah etcetera never and didnt make it into the 66 canon was because they are fake news. In fact, it was in the first century books, soon after Jesus' death, that these books started being authored and as I earlier advanced, they never were God inspired.

Now, the 'The Book of Enoch', which there are three versions of it, is a perfected work and good art, of, reverse engineering. The Book of Jasher, lmao, the other half of the BoE, twins spawn of Satan, that's paraded about, is not the original one mentioned in the Bible, not the one mentioned in verses like Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18. The original BoJ (i.e. the Book of Jasher) is lost, missing AWOL. The paraded one, is a hoax, it along with the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, are inflated works of the imagination. They all and/or each, are literary works of fantasy, with not likely to be true or to have happened improbable things put into them.

My dear friend odysey, it is because these books, are not in fact, what they write to be, is why they aren't in the 66 books that make up the Protestant Bible. There are no authenticities, in any of the apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, including in this matter, the BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch)

odysey:
It's a book I believe everyone should read as often as possible

Now, I expect some heavyweight person, like you, to why not read apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, but to also, have the good sense of able to separate the wheat from the chaff, when reading them books and not as some gullible person normally wouldn't do and so thereby get taken in by the books, hook, line, sinker and all without any consideration to 2 Timothy 2:15

It is true Apostle Peter, and even Jude too sef, made deliberate reference to the Book of Enoch. They did, they both did when drawing attention to false teachings and slanders permeating the body of the early believers, brought about from the developing craze then, of reading those apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books.

Apostle Peter, in his letter, first warned the early biblical believers against the dangers of false teachers and their false teachings preying on gullible believers, then Jude in his letter, wrote saying what Apostle Peter earlier wrote about and warned against, has just happened.

I have shared this above that Apostle Jude made reference to Jude because he was debunking the rubbish in the BoE and its likes, that the young early believers were getting sucked into. The deja poo gets oxygen whenever peeps like you do evangelising for the book.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

LordReed:
Point out how this:

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Is a castigation of the book of Enoch.

Yes, it is a castigation of the book of Enoch.

Or you want me to clear you with evidence that the Book of Enoch and other variants of it, are best flushed down the toilet, where they belong. If you start, you won't last five minutes into reading the book, before you'll shove it away, from finding the content, being ludicrous and a waste of even idle time.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Yes, it is a castigation of the book of Enoch.

Or you want me to clear you with evidence that the Book of Enoch and other variants of it, are best flushed down the toilet, where they belong. If you start, you won't last five minutes into reading the book, before you'll shove it away, from finding the content, being ludicrous and a waste of even idle time.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You didn't answer the question. Point out how it is a castigation of the book of Enoch.

NNTR:
...The reason why all those apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, like BoE, Jubilees, BoJ, Book of A&E, Book of Noah etcetera never and didnt make it into the 66 canon was because they are fake news. In fact, it was in the first century books, soon after Jesus' death, that these books started being authored and as I earlier advanced, they never were God inspired.

Now, the 'The Book of Enoch', which there are three versions of it, is a perfected work and good art, of, reverse engineering. The Book of Jasher, lmao, the other half of the BoE, twins spawn of Satan, that's paraded about, is not the original one mentioned in the Bible, not the one mentioned in verses like Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18. The original BoJ (i.e. the Book of Jasher) is lost, missing AWOL. The paraded one, is a hoax, it along with the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, are inflated works of the imagination. They all and/or each, are literary works of fantasy, with not likely to be true or to have happened improbable things put into them.

My dear friend odysey, it is because these books, are not in fact, what they write to be, is why they aren't in the 66 books that make up the Protestant Bible. There are no authenticities, in any of the apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, including in this matter, the BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch)

Now, I expect some heavyweight person, like you, to why not read apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, but to also, have the good sense of able to separate the wheat from the chaff, when reading them books and not as some gullible person normally wouldn't do and so thereby get taken in by the books, hook, line, sinker and all without any consideration to 2 Timothy 2:15

It is true Apostle Peter, and even Jude too sef, made deliberate reference to the Book of Enoch. They did, they both did when drawing attention to false teachings and slanders permeating the body of the early believers, brought about from the developing craze then, of reading those apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books.

Apostle Peter, in his letter, first warned the early biblical believers against the dangers of false teachers and their false teachings preying on gullible believers, then Jude in his letter, wrote saying what Apostle Peter earlier wrote about and warned against, has just happened.

I have shared this above that Apostle Jude made reference to Jude because he was debunking the rubbish in the BoE and its likes, that the young early believers were getting sucked into. The deja poo gets oxygen whenever peeps like you do evangelising for the book.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

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LordReed:
You didn't answer the question. Point out how it is a castigation of the book of Enoch.

I am sure I did answer the question and did so with a succint reply

Anyways you can feed off the yellow highlight up there for insights.

Or you want me to clear you with evidence that the Book of Enoch and other variants of it, are best flushed down the toilet, where they belong, as the offer to clear you, still holds

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:

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I am sure I did answer the question and did so with a succint reply

Anyways you can feed off the yellow highlight up there for insights.

Or you want me to clear you with evidence that the Book of Enoch and other variants of it, are best flushed down the toilet, where they belong, as the offer to clear you, still holds

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So when Jude said:

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

He was saying that the book of Enoch was a false teaching? So in other words Jesus is not coming with 10k saints to execute judgement? Or Jesus coming back is a false teaching?

AntiChristian:




You know better? Make we test you!

Can you mention the name of the messenger of Allah Moses met with his servant in the Qur'an? (without Google or outside help)

Ossama (dust)bin Laden complete with bombstraps?

LordReed:


So when Jude said:

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

He was saying that the book of Enoch was a false teaching? So in other words Jesus is not coming with 10k saints to execute judgement? Or Jesus coming back is a false teaching?

Jude wasn't quoting any BoE duh. Jude was quoting prophet Enoch. All sorts of sorry books came out around that time as it was popular to get books and epistles from Apostles telling people God's message. Like there's always fake and copy versions of authentic things. Book of Moses, Elijah, Mary Magdalene, Demas, Judas, Thomas etc. were flying around to deceive people like you.

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Jude wasn't quoting any BoE duh. Jude was quoting prophet Enoch. All sorts of sorry books came out around that time as it was popular to get books and epistles from Apostles telling people God's message. Like there's always fake and copy versions of authentic things. Book of Moses, Elijah, Mary Magdalene, Demas, Judas, Thomas etc. were flying around to deceive people like you.

That quote in Jude was taken directly from the Book of Enoch.

LordReed:


That quote in Jude was taken directly from the Book of Enoch.

Okay, enjoy your delusion. That Enoch said something does not mean that he wrote a book. That the book says what Enoch truly said does not mean that he wrote the book. i can write a book quoting you, doesn't mean i am you or that everything else i write is true or you. There are monikers of people on social media, both dead and alive, that say or try to say what the people say/said. It's not a new thing and it doesn't necessarily verify/validate them. But again, enjoy your delusion.

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Okay, enjoy your delusion. That Enoch said something does not mean that he wrote a book. That the book says what Enoch truly said does not mean that he wrote the book. i can write a book quoting you, doesn't mean i am you or that everything else i write is true or you. There are monikers of people on social media, both dead and alive, that say or try to say what the people say/said. It's not a new thing and it doesn't necessarily verify/validate them. But again, enjoy your delusion.

LoLz. How do you know what Jude purportedly said if there wasn't a book? The delusional one here is you. By your senseless argument we should discount all the words of the gospels of Matthew, Mark and John since no one knows who actually wrote them. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:


LoLz. How do you know what Jude purportedly said if there wasn't a book? The delusional one here is you. By your senseless argument we should discount all the words of the gospels of Matthew, Mark and John since no one knows who actually wrote them. Bwahahahahaha!

There are scholarly and divine agreements as to the books you just mentioned, just like any scholarly agreement on other old works. BTW, if you read me carefully, i did not say that there was no book.

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There are scholarly and divine agreements as to the books you just mentioned, just like any scholarly agreement on other old works. BTW, if you read me carefully, i did not say that there was no book.

Then what was the source of Jude's statement if it wasn't from a book?

LordReed:


Then what was the source of Jude's statement if it wasn't from a book?

i said it wasn't from the BoE, i did not say it was not from a book. It could also be from God, how about that? The words of the patriachs was accessible to those who cared.

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i said it wasn't from the BoE, i did not say it was not from a book. It could also be from God, how about that? The words of the patriachs was accessible to those who cared.

LoLz! Accessible how?

Read my response again the quote was taken directly from Book of Enoch. The book of Enoch was around before Jesus was born.

LordReed:


LoLz! Accessible how?

Read my response again the quote was taken directly from Book of Enoch. The book of Enoch was around before Jesus was born.

Mat 2:4 KJV And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

Mat 2:5 KJV And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

As you can see, the knowledgeable could access previous information including wicked Herod if he so much wanted. It was not hidden for someone not to get it. That something is done or written before Jesus was born or while Jesus was being born doesn't make it valid or the source.

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Mat 2:4 KJV And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

Mat 2:5 KJV And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

As you can see, the knowledgeable could access previous information including wicked Herod if he so much wanted. It was not hidden for someone not to get it. That something is done or written before Jesus was born or while Jesus was being born doesn't make it valid or the source.

LoLZ. You are literally quoting a place where what was written in a book was used as evidence of Jesus' foretold birth while simultaneously claiming that what is written in the past is not reliable. SMH. Bwahahahahaha!

Meanwhile you are yet to answer me as to where Jude got the quote if it was not from BoE.

LordReed:


LoLZ. You are literally quoting a place where what was written in a book was used as evidence of Jesus' foretold birth while simultaneously claiming that what is written in the past is not reliable. SMH. Bwahahahahaha!

Meanwhile you are yet to answer me as to where Jude got the quote if it was not from BoE.

As usual, you get it twisted. i showed you that information about the past was accessible and not hidden. i even used a wicked king and scribes as example.
In the same vein, the fact that something is written early doesn't necessarily mean it is valid. i guess you can only think in units.

i answered you immediately already. i said information about the patriarchs was accessible knowledge and that God could have told him. Two clearly given possibilities.

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As usual, you get it twisted. i showed you that information about the past was accessible and not hidden. i even used a wicked king and scribes as example.
In the same vein, the fact that something is written early doesn't necessarily mean it is valid. i guess you can only think in units.

i answered you immediately already. i said information about the patriarchs was accessible knowledge and that God could have told him. Two clearly given possibilities.

You showed what was accessible by way of written information. You are the one getting it twisted, you can't simultaneously claim that past written books about your religion are both valid and invalid. That is an absurd stance. If Jude didn't get his reference from the BoE then where did he get it from? You are unable to provide a straightforward answer.

LordReed:


You showed what was accessible by way of written information. You are the one getting it twisted, you can't simultaneously claim that past written books about your religion are both valid and invalid. That is an absurd stance. If Jude didn't get his reference from the BoE then where did he get it from? You are unable to provide a straightforward answer.

Do you think it is smarter to say all past written books are valid?

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Do you think it is smarter to say all past written books are valid?

No, but your reasoning cannot be arbitrary. Jude quotes from from BoE you don't accept BoE as canon but you accept Jude as canon, based on nothing but you don't like BoE. NNTR said BoE was false teaching yet the passage quoted directly from BoE is in consistent with your beliefs.

LordReed:


No, but your reasoning cannot be arbitrary. Jude quotes from from BoE you don't accept BoE as canon but you accept Jude as canon, based on nothing but you don't like BoE. NNTR said BoE was false teaching yet the passage quoted directly from BoE is in consistent with your beliefs.

Do you think it is smarter to say all past written books are invalid then?

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Do you think it is smarter to say all past written books are invalid then?

LoLz. Can you tell me why you don't accept BoE as canon?

LordReed:


LoLz. Can you tell me why you don't accept BoE as canon?

Certainly, Do you think it is smarter to say all past written books are invalid?

LordReed:
No, but your reasoning cannot be arbitrary. Jude quotes from from BoE you don't accept BoE as canon but you accept Jude as canon, based on nothing but you don't like BoE. NNTR said BoE was false teaching yet the passage quoted directly from BoE is in consistent with your beliefs.

No it isnt.
Where is the consistency?
Note before you answer that Apostle Jude was parroting what Apostle Peter had written earlier before him

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Do you think it is smarter to say all past written books are invalid then?

LordReed:
LoLz. Can you tell me why you don't accept BoE as canon?

I already said that why, which is that the BoE is a circa 4th century a la Dan Brown version of the 'The Da Vinci Code'

The BoE is nothing other than a fantasy novel. Telltale signs gives it away to be just that and so, is just on par with 'The Da Vinci Code'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
No it isnt.
Where is the consistency?
Note before you answer that Apostle Jude was parroting what Apostle Peter had written earlier before him



I already said that why, which is that the BoE is a circa 4th century a la Dan Brown version of the 'The Da Vinci Code'

The BoE is nothing other than a fantasy novel. Telltale signs gives it away to be just that and so, is just on par with 'The Da Vinci Code'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

LoL! BoE is not from the 4th century, it is from 300-100 BCE well before Jesus was on the scene. Yes that quote is consisent with your beliefs unless you don't believe Jesus is coming back with his saints.

NNTR:
No it isnt.
Where is the consistency?
Note before you answer that Apostle Jude was parroting what Apostle Peter had written earlier before him



I already said that why, which is that the BoE is a circa 4th century a la Dan Brown version of the 'The Da Vinci Code'

The BoE is nothing other than a fantasy novel. Telltale signs gives it away to be just that and so, is just on par with 'The Da Vinci Code'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

He doesn't want to hear this brother, don't bother.

NNTR:
Jude, just as, Apostle Peter, earlier before him, got that excerpt from the BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch) which incidentally, was a 1st to 4th century bestseller book, archetype of Dan Brown's 'The Da Vinci Code' albeit this BoE, is a book on steroids.

Did you notice and even understand, what Jude said, in Jude 1:10? Compare it with 2 Peter 2:12

Yup, you're right, that the excerpt came from the BoE, however, the book, is not worth the paper its written on.

Nobody deeming it important enough to warrant the book be outrightly mentioned in the Bible, speaks volume, of how inconsequentially the book is regarded.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

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LordReed:


LoL! BoE is not from the 4th century, it is from 300-100 BCE well before Jesus was on the scene. Yes that quote is consisent with your beliefs unless you don't believe Jesus is coming back with his saints.

There are at least 3-4 variants of it, I just wasnt bothered being exact or precise

Please re-paste the quote, in contention, here for me to see again. Thanks

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}