One of the earliest Surahs of the koran which was ever revealed is Surah Al Qalam or Chapter 68 of the koran.

It was revealed at a time when muhammad's people believed that he was suffering from insanity.

The very first verse of Surah Al Qalam is as follows:

Qur'an 68:1

"Nun. By the Pen and what they write."

This meaning of this verse was not understood by muslims until muhammad prayed to allah for the spirit of koranic interpretation to be given to his cousin Ibn Abass. This incident of divine anointing for Ibn Abass was mentioned in Sunan Ibn Majah:


Sunan Ibn Majah 166
Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak 3840

166. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The Messenger of Allah embraced me and said, 'O Allah, teach him wisdom and the interpretation of
the Book (i.e., the Qur'an)

Classed sahih by al-Albani and al-Arna'ut

So as we can see from the forgoing, both allah and muhammad gave Ibn Abbass a special anointing for interpretation of the koran and its verses. So how did Ibn Abbass interpret Surah 68:1 of the koran?

The answer can be found below:

3840. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The first thing that Allah created was the Pen. He said to it, 'Write.' It said, 'What shall I write?' He said, 'The divine decree.' And it wrote all that shall be from that day until the onset of the Hour. And His throne was upon the water. The water vapor rose and the heavens split off from it. He then created the whale (Nun) and spread the earth over it. The earth is on the back of the whale, and when the whale stirred, the earth shook. It was steadied by the mountains, for indeed, the mountains prevail over the earth

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
تفسير

Classed sahih by al-Hakim and confirmed by al-Dhahabi

So according to muhammad and allah's chosen interpreter of the koran, the earth that we live upon is lying on the back of a giant whale!

If you want to prove that Islam is a joke, simply ask a muslim to open the Google Earth app on his phone and show you where this giant whale can be found!

Khaleepha5681 AntiChristian

This is funnyly funny

Don't blame them, some people even in the western world still believe the earth is flat and it is ridding at the back of a giant turtle

Most of them know the truth. They know that Jesus is the only way to God. But they are afraid of converting because of persecutions they will face. But it's far better for you to be killed and make heaven than to remain in falsehood than will land you in hell.

AllahIsGarbage:
One of the earliest Surahs of the koran which was ever revealed is Surah Al Qalam or Chapter 68 of the koran.

It was revealed at a time when muhammad's people believed that he was suffering from insanity.

The very first verse of Surah Al Qalam is as follows:

Qur'an 68:1

"Nun. By the Pen and what they write."

This meaning of this verse was not understood by muslims until muhammad prayed to allah for the spirit of koranic interpretation to be given to his cousin Ibn Abass. This incident of divine anointing for Ibn Abass was mentioned in Sunan Ibn Majah:


Sunan Ibn Majah 166
Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak 3840

166. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The Messenger of Allah embraced me and said, 'O Allah, teach him wisdom and the interpretation of
the Book (i.e., the Qur'an)

Classed sahih by al-Albani and al-Arna'ut

So as we can see from the forgoing, both allah and muhammad gave Ibn Abbass a special anointing for interpretation of the koran and its verses. So how did Ibn Abbass interpret Surah 68:1 of the koran?

The answer can be found below:

3840. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The first thing that Allah created was the Pen. He said to it, 'Write.' It said, 'What shall I write?' He said, 'The divine decree.' And it wrote all that shall be from that day until the onset of the Hour. And His throne was upon the water. The water vapor rose and the heavens split off from it. He then created the whale (Nun) and spread the earth over it. The earth is on the back of the whale, and when the whale stirred, the earth shook. It was steadied by the mountains, for indeed, the mountains prevail over the earth

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
تفسير

Classed sahih by al-Hakim and confirmed by al-Dhahabi

So according to muhammad and allah's chosen interpreter of the koran, the earth that we live upon is lying on the back of a giant whale!

If you want to prove that Islam is a joke, simply ask a muslim to open the Google Earth app on his phone and show you where this giant whale can be found!

Khaleepha5681 AntiChristian

with just your insultive moniker to my Wonderful god,...you are destroyed eternally in these world and in heaven,.. stupid Jewish devil

The Bible teaches a flat earth, which leads also to the conclusion that the christain god in nonsense. How will your god not know the shape of the earth it created, that god must be a dull god.

In general, both Islam and Christainity are absolutely rubbish, and their god is vacuum.

May God deliver you.... Amen.

See as the truth pain am!

Kimiso:
with just your insultive moniker to my Wonderful god,...you are destroyed eternally in these world and in heaven,.. stupid Jewish devil

Alao046:
The Bible teaches a flat earth, which leads also to the conclusion that the christain god in nonsense. How will your god not know the shape of the earth it created, that god must be a dull god.

In general, both Islam and Christainity are absolutely rubbish, and their god is vacuum.

Four corners of the Earth simply means the 4 Cardinal points of a compass: North South East and West.

If you really want to prove that the Bible says that the Earth is flat, produce something like this koranic verse:

“He who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky. With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.” (Qur'an 20:53)

What's strange is that you don't even realize how stupid you sound. Did you even read the picture you posted? It says that the Bible teaches that the Earth is not round, but that it is flat.

This is of course nonsense because the Bible even though it is a book of the supernatural and not a book of science, says that the earth is round.

Alao046:
The Bible teaches a flat earth, which leads also to the conclusion that the christain god in nonsense. How will your god not know the shape of the earth it created, that god must be a dull god.

In general, both Islam and Christainity are absolutely rubbish, and their god is vacuum.

Alao046:
The Bible teaches a flat earth, which leads also to the conclusion that the christain god in nonsense. How will your god not know the shape of the earth it created, that god must be a dull god.

In general, both Islam and Christainity are absolutely rubbish, and their god is vacuum.

Both Revelations and Daniel are report of visions seen by both John and Daniel respectively.

John is refering to the four cardinal directions (all those who hold a flat earth theory see it as a circle and not a square.
Daniel refers to what he saw in his dream. I've seen myself flying in the skies before. If I report this, will you use it against me as not knowing basic sciences ?

I don't know who told you that the bible was written by God himself.
The only book in the world that was dictated by Allah through Jubril is the Qur'an

AllahIsGarbage:


Four corners of the Earth simply means the 4 Cardinal points of a compass: North South East and West.

If you really want to prove that the Bible says that the Earth is flat, produce something like this koranic verse:

“He who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky. With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.” (Qur'an 20:53)

So North, east, west and south and now corners of the earth?
Watin i no go hear from the mouth of these followers of Christ. A cricle can never have a corner, it only has points.
Something like a square or a rectangle is what has a corner. Corner meaning where it got bent. A circle is not bent anywhere and hence has no fucking corners.

Don't tell me you guys are now as ignorant as ur god that you now say North, east, west and south are corners of the earth. Are you that dull, abi u dey wine me?
Just stop defending the ignorance of ur god, and agree that it is an olodo

TenQ:

Both Revelations and Daniel are report of visions seen by both John and Daniel respectively.

John is refering to the four cardinal directions (all those who hold a flat earth theory see it as a circle and not a square.
Daniel refers to what he saw in his dream. I've seen myself flying in the skies before. If I report this, will you use it against me as not knowing basic sciences ?

I don't know who told you that the bible was written by God himself.
The only book in the world that was dictated by Allah through Jubril is the Qur'an

Please point out the four corners of a circle for me. A circle only has points and not corners.

Una go School at all

Are you ready to defend that character in the most annoying novel?

Allah is greater than even you,talkless of that Sky Demon who raped poor, the said virgin servant of his and sacrificed her poor illigitimate son, in order for him to forgive the children children of his servants, that misbehaved.

The aged demon once met his match when he tried to play nonsense with one of his servant,Jacob!

The drunkard demon collect boom-boom and started asking for mercy.

Lol.

Please stop embarrassing yourself and at least give us the confidence to believe that you have a basic IQ which is above single digit. The compass had not been invented 4000 years ago when the Old Testament was written, so what we call cardinal points today were known as corners in ancient times.

Alao046:

So North, east, west and south and now corners of the earth?
Watin i no go hear from the mouth of these followers of Christ. A cricle can never have a corner, it only has points.
Something like a square or a rectangle is what has a corner. Corner meaning where it got bent. A circle is not bent anywhere and hence has no fucking corners.

Don't tell me you guys are now as ignorant as ur god that you now say North, east, west and south are corners of the earth. Are you that dull, abi u dey wine me?
Just stop defending the ignorance of ur god, and agree that it is an olodo

Ken4Christ:
Most of them know the truth. They know that Jesus is the only way to God. But they are afraid of converting because of persecutions they will face. But it's far better for you to be killed and make heaven than to remain in falsehood than will land you in hell.

You know Muslims believe something similar aswell. That Christians and the rest of world know in their hearts that Islam is the only valid way to God, but don't want to give up on their hedonistic way of life to follow it. Speaking as someone that grew up as one and was always surrounded by Muslims.

So I ask what is the basis for such a take?

Some of my extended family members have converted from both Christianity to Islam and vice versa, it doesn't seem to me to be that clear.

AllahIsGarbage:
One of the earliest Surahs of the koran which was ever revealed is Surah Al Qalam or Chapter 68 of the koran.

It was revealed at a time when muhammad's people believed that he was suffering from insanity.

The very first verse of Surah Al Qalam is as follows:

Qur'an 68:1

"Nun. By the Pen and what they write."

This meaning of this verse was not understood by muslims until muhammad prayed to allah for the spirit of koranic interpretation to be given to his cousin Ibn Abass. This incident of divine anointing for Ibn Abass was mentioned in Sunan Ibn Majah:


Sunan Ibn Majah 166
Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak 3840

166. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The Messenger of Allah embraced me and said, 'O Allah, teach him wisdom and the interpretation of
the Book (i.e., the Qur'an)

Classed sahih by al-Albani and al-Arna'ut

So as we can see from the forgoing, both allah and muhammad gave Ibn Abbass a special anointing for interpretation of the koran and its verses. So how did Ibn Abbass interpret Surah 68:1 of the koran?

The answer can be found below:

3840. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The first thing that Allah created was the Pen. He said to it, 'Write.' It said, 'What shall I write?' He said, 'The divine decree.' And it wrote all that shall be from that day until the onset of the Hour. And His throne was upon the water. The water vapor rose and the heavens split off from it. He then created the whale (Nun) and spread the earth over it. The earth is on the back of the whale, and when the whale stirred, the earth shook. It was steadied by the mountains, for indeed, the mountains prevail over the earth

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
تفسير

Classed sahih by al-Hakim and confirmed by al-Dhahabi

So according to muhammad and allah's chosen interpreter of the koran, the earth that we live upon is lying on the back of a giant whale!

If you want to prove that Islam is a joke, simply ask a muslim to open the Google Earth app on his phone and show you where this giant whale can be found!

Khaleepha5681 AntiChristian

Still I haven't seen where Allah made this claim that earth was flat or resting on a whale all I can see here is ibn Abass making a claim of earth being carried on a whale....

Allah mentioned creation process in the Quran and he never mentioned any whale...

Oh boy, see lies!

Dahaha does NOT mean ostrich egg in the Quran.

Out of 6236 verses of the Quran, there is not one, which specifically mentions the shape of the earth as a sphere. Some Muslims claim "dahaha" means "ostrich egg" in Surah 79:30.

The word "dahaha" conveys ONE concept in the Arabic, that of spreading, leveling, flattening, and smoothing out. It does NOT mean ostrich egg.

haekymbahd:
Still I haven't seen where Allah made this claim that earth was flat or resting on a whale all I can see here is ibn Abass making a claim of earth being carried on a whale....

Allah mentioned creation process in the Quran and he never mentioned any whale...

Alao046:

Please point out the four corners of a circle for me. A circle only has points and not corners.

Una go School at all

After reading my post, I can only conclude that Your level of comprehension of simple English is appalling or your case is simply that of a dull mind!

AllahIsGarbage:
Oh boy, see lies!

Dahaha does NOT mean ostrich egg in the Quran.

Out of 6236 verses of the Quran, there is not one, which specifically mentions the shape of the earth as a sphere. Some Muslims claim "dahaha" means "ostrich egg" in Surah 79:30.

The word "dahaha" conveys ONE concept in the Arabic, that of spreading, leveling, flattening, and smoothing out. It does NOT mean ostrich egg.

dahaha means expand and other meaning is derived frm dahya…dahya means egg and its nt normal egg. The Arabic word "dahaha" is derived from the root word "dahya" which literally means "egg".…its specificly egg of ostrich..our earth is flattetn from the porl and bulging from the center…so geo-spherical shape…now some people will say why is directly nt mention?? Bro, we r in test..so, Allah give u brain and sign…thats why in Quran said will they not see?? and will they not undrstnd?? Quran is for understnding and sign…


I guess only those with holyspirit can understand carnal mind cannot understand this ..

Even your Imams have disowned this explanation and I can dismantled it very easily.

In one of your Hadith it says that Allah comes down to sky every day at 3.00 a.m. in the morning to beg muslims to pray for him:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heav en to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his inter cession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?""

Reading this hadith carefully will lead us to a very clear under standing about Allah's science regarding the geology of the earth:

1. Allah comes down once every night.

2. He comes at the last third of the night.

3. The last third part of the night begins at 3.00 in the morning

Given that that there are several different time zones on earth, there is no way that the time will be 3.00 am everywhere at the same time. The only way that this would be possible would be if the earth is flat and it is obvious from this hadith that allah and his "prophet" believed that the earth is flat!

haekymbahd:
Oga be calming down...
dahaha means expand and other meaning is derived frm duiya…duiya means egg and its nt normal egg…its specificly egg of ostrich..our earth is flattetn from the porl and bulging from the center…so geo-spherical shape…now some people will say why is directly nt mention?? Bro, we r in test..so, Allah give u brain and sign…thats why in Quran said will they not see?? and will they not undrstnd?? Quran is for understnding and sign…


I guess only those with holyspirit can understand carnal mind cannot understand this ..

AllahIsGarbage:
Even your Imams have disowned this explanation and I can dismantled it very easily.

In one of your Hadith it says that Allah comes down to sky every day at 3.00 a.m. in the morning to beg muslims to pray for him:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heav en to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his inter cession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?""

Reading this hadith carefully will lead us to a very clear under standing about Allah's science regarding the geology of the earth:

1. Allah comes down once every night.

2. He comes at the last third of the night.

3. The last third part of the night begins at 3.00 in the morning

Given that that there are several different time zones on earth, there is no way that the time will be 3.00 am everywhere at the same time. The only way that this would be possible would be if the earth is flat and it is obvious from this hadith that allah and his "prophet" believed that the earth is flat!

Mostly i usually don't want to reply you guys with offensive monikers that even abuse your God in the Hausa Bible. But i am tempted to reply you at this moment.

The last third of the night means the last period of darkness from Sunset to Dawn when shared in to three!
Keep quiet if you don't understand things!


haekymbahd

AllahIsGarbage:
Even your Imams have disowned this explanation and I can dismantled it very easily.

In one of your Hadith it says that Allah comes down to sky every day at 3.00 a.m. in the morning to beg muslims to pray for him:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heav en to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his inter cession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?""

Reading this hadith carefully will lead us to a very clear under standing about Allah's science regarding the geology of the earth:

1. Allah comes down once every night.

2. He comes at the last third of the night.

3. The last third part of the night begins at 3.00 in the morning

Given that that there are several different time zones on earth, there is no way that the time will be 3.00 am everywhere at the same time. The only way that this would be possible would be if the earth is flat and it is obvious from this hadith that allah and his "prophet" believed that the earth is flat!

According to the Quran

1= Allah is very close to human: Quran [ch50,v17 partly -bismillah as #1]= …………..We are nearer to Him than (even) his jugular vein.


=> Thus coming to ‘heavens of world’ is a metaphor.

Conclusion

“Every night our Lord descends to heavens of world when……….” means Allah specially hears supplications of that time.

It is confirmed in:

About Night Prayers

Quran [ch32,v17–18]= Their sides keep away from beds and they call on their Lord in fear and hope and spend out what we have bestowed on them. — And no soul knows what joy of eyes is kept hidden for them as a reward of their good works.

AllahIsGarbage:
Please stop embarrassing yourself and at least give us the confidence to believe that you have a basic IQ which is above single digit. The compass had not been invented 4000 years ago when the Old Testament was written, so what we call cardinal points today were known as corners in ancient times.

That is the point, Because it haven't been invented then, your gods and prophets and men of god thought the earth was flat. What type of a god waits for compass to be invented b4 it knows that the earth it created is spherical not flat.

Wether compass was even still invented or not, there was never a time when the earth had 4 corners. Stand anywhere in the earth, and all your sides are points not fucking 4 corners

AllahIsGarbage:
Oh boy, see lies!

Dahaha does NOT mean ostrich egg in the Quran.

Out of 6236 verses of the Quran, there is not one, which specifically mentions the shape of the earth as a sphere. Some Muslims claim "dahaha" means "ostrich egg" in Surah 79:30.

The word "dahaha" conveys ONE concept in the Arabic, that of spreading, leveling, flattening, and smoothing out. It does NOT mean ostrich egg.

He said where did Allah mention it in the Qur'an that the earth is spherical, you are going to bring sayings of one imam or scholar, is the person god. He said show him where Allah said the earth was flat in the Qur'an.

TenQ:

After reading my post, I can only conclude that Your level of comprehension of simple English is appalling or your case is simply that of a dull mind!

Please what kind of a daft god does not know that the earth is not firm or stationary but is moving.

The more religious people defend their god, the more they and the god looks foolish. Please tell me who told ur god that the earth it created is moving and is not immovable.

IMAliyu:

You know Muslims believe something similar aswell. That Christians and the rest of world know in their hearts that Islam is the only valid way to God, but don't want to give up on their hedonistic way of life to follow it. Speaking as someone that grew up as one and was always surrounded by Muslims.

So I ask what is the basis for such a take?

Some of my extended family members have converted from both Christianity to Islam and vice versa, it doesn't seem to me to be that clear.

Even your quran affirm that those who follow Jesus are supreme - quran 3:55

And even Mohammed confessed in your quran that he is not sure of what will become of him and those who follow him - quran 46:9.

So many Muslims are Christians today just by reading your quran. They even found the truth about Jesus in it.

Please, accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. If you don't, you will end up in hell. And the fire there is more than 2,000 degree Celsius. The pain is unbearable.

Jesus loves you and died for you so you can be saved from going to hell and make heaven.

The choice is yours. Where you end up is dependent on the choice you make with Jesus.

And Jesus boldly said;

John 14:6......I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Alao046:


Please what kind of a daft god does not know that the earth is not firm or stationary but is moving.

The more religious people defend their god, the more they and the god looks foolish. Please tell me who told ur god that the earth it created is moving and is not immovable.

Only those who are ignorant of the bible say this trash you wrote here.
What the bible means there is "the land" not the spherical earth but the land. God refers land as the earth genesis 1:10, or land can be moved from it position?

Let me ask you a question. Can allah enter into his creation?

haekymbahd:
According to the Quran

1= Allah is very close to human: Quran [ch50,v17 partly -bismillah as #1]= …………..We are nearer to Him than (even) his jugular vein.


=> Thus coming to ‘heavens of world’ is a metaphor.

Conclusion

“Every night our Lord descends to heavens of world when……….” means Allah specially hears supplications of that time.

It is confirmed in:

About Night Prayers

Quran [ch32,v17–18]= Their sides keep away from beds and they call on their Lord in fear and hope and spend out what we have bestowed on them. — And no soul knows what joy of eyes is kept hidden for them as a reward of their good works.

You obviously know nothing of Islam. You don't know who the Mufasereen are and you don't know their significance to understanding the koran.

There would be no islam without the likes of Jalalayn, Al Tabari, Ibn Abbass or Ibn Kathir.

Any muslim who refuses to accept the interpretation of these Mufasereen, some of whom were chosen by muhammad himself will be regarded as infidels or munafiq, kuffar

Alao046:

He said where did Allah mention it in the Qur'an that the earth is spherical, you are going to bring sayings of one imam or scholar, is the person god. He said show him where Allah said the earth was flat in the Qur'an.

Ken4Christ:


Even your quran affirm that those who follow Jesus are supreme - quran 3:55

And even Mohammed confessed in your quran that he is not sure of what will become of him and those who follow him - quran 46:9.

So many Muslims are Christians today just by reading your quran. They even found the truth about Jesus in it.

Is it not counter productive to affirm your faith by using the text of a religion you believe is false?

People should have the freedom to convert to whatever religion they want for what ever reasons they deem fit, so not a problem.

Please, accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. If you don't, you will end up in hell. And the fire there is more than 2,000 degree Celsius. The pain is unbearable.

Jesus loves you and died for you so you can be saved from going to hell and make heaven.

The choice is yours. Where you end up is dependent on the choice you make with Jesus.

And Jesus boldly said;

John 14:6......I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I'm disillusioned to religion. I'm incapable of unsubstantiated beliefs.

For you or the people who find Jesus or Allah by reading the Quran or bible then good for you and them.
I've read both and found the tales and values of bronze age to middle age, middle eastern men, claiming to be from God, but rife with the contradictions, questionable ethics and inaccuracies you'd expect from the men of that era.

Interesting tactic, threaten someone with hell, unbearable pain, then tell them your God simultaneously loves them. Do you not see the contradiction?
The equivalent of holding a gun to someone's head and telling them you love them, and they have the freedom to accept you or you pull the trigger.

Anyway the threat of hell or promise of heaven is of no concern to me, as these are claims you guys are incapable of substantiating. So thank you for your concern, but no thanks.

Alao046:

That is the point, Because it haven't been invented then, your gods and prophets and men of god thought the earth was flat[/b]What type of a god waits for compass to be invented b4 it knows that the earth it created is spherical not flat

I asked you to raise your IQ, but I should have known that I was asking for the impossible. Did I not just give you a scripture from the Bible showing that the Earth was round?

Isaiah 40 : 22

[b]God sits above the circle of the earth The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them

Something else that didn't exist in ancient times was clocks, but they still knew how to tell time, didn't they?

Wether compass was even still invented or not, there was never a time when the earth had 4 corners. Stand anywhere in the earth, and all your sides are points not fucking 4 corners

Of course you know better than the scholars and professors who have explained these things.