So answer my question. Does allah come down to hear the prayers of ALL
1 billion muslims during the third part of the night and if so, how is this possible when there are 24 different time zones in the world?

Stop this childish ignorance and come and defend your prophet and your god!

AntiChristian:


Mostly i usually don't want to reply you guys with offensive monikers that even abuse your God in the Hausa Bible. But i am tempted to reply you at this moment.

The last third of the night means the last period of darkness from Sunset to Dawn when shared in to three!
Keep quiet if you don't understand things!


haekymbahd

Obafavour:

Only those who are ignorant of the bible say this trash you wrote here.
What the bible means there is "the land" not the spherical earth but the land. God refers land as the earth genesis 1:10, or land can be moved from it position?

Even if your translation is the correct one, you'd have to be willing to do your own personal interpretation to reconcile the passage with with known facts about the earth.

Yes, land moves, there are tectonic plates and continental drift, just not in a human time scale.

Obafavour:

Only those who are ignorant of the bible say this trash you wrote here.
What the bible means there is "the land" not the spherical earth but the land. God refers land as the earth genesis 1:10, or land can be moved from it position?

looking for another excuse for you non-existing god. Not be only immovable earth. Your god is ignorant, no need to ague. You see as your reply no follow at all beacuse what is written there is earth not land.

"He set the earth on its foundation, it can never be moved" - psalm 104:5
Please where is land is this statement, ignoramus of god

IMAliyu:

Is it not counter productive to affirm your faith by using the text of a religion you believe is false?

People should have the freedom to convert to whatever religion they want for what ever reasons they deem fit, so not a problem.

I'm disillusioned to religion. I'm incapable of unsubstantiated beliefs.

For you or the people who find Jesus or Allah by reading the Quran or bible then good for you and them.
I've read both and found the tales and values of bronze age to middle age, middle eastern men, claiming to be from God, but rife with the contradictions, questionable ethics and inaccuracies you'd expect from the men of that era.

Interesting tactic, threaten someone with hell, unbearable pain, then tell them your God simultaneously loves them. Do you not see the contradiction?
The equivalent of holding a gun to someone's head and telling them you love them, and they have the freedom to accept you or you pull the trigger.

Anyway the threat of hell or promise of heaven is of no concern to me, as these are claims you guys are incapable of substantiating. So thank you for your concern, but no thanks.

You have made your choice. The end result will be regret upon regrets just like countless millions that have made the same mistakes like you. Farewell.

AllahIsGarbage:
You obviously know nothing of Islam. You don't know who the Mufasereen are and you don't know their significance to understanding the koran.

There would be no islam without the likes of Jalalayn, Al Tabari, Ibn Abbass or Ibn Kathir.

Any muslim who refuses to accept the interpretation of these Mufasereen, some of whom were chosen by muhammad himself will be regarded as infidels or munafiq, kuffar

You talk too much. Just one task and u cannot do. Show me the verse in the Qur'an or swallow ur opinion

AllahIsGarbage:



I asked you to raise your IQ, but I should have known that I was asking for the impossible. Did I not just give you a scripture from the Bible showing that the Earth was round?

Isaiah 40 : 22

God sits above the circle of the earth The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them

Something else that didn't exist in ancient times was clocks, but they still knew how to tell time, didn't they?



Of course you know better than the scholars and professors who have explained these things.

who ask you to quote all these nonsense. Your god said the earth is immovable. So tell me or ask your god to tell me how he came to the conclusion that the earth is immovable.

Is my question not clear enough.
Why did ur god say that the earth is immovable? Please if u cannot answer the question just shut up

AllahIsGarbage:


Of course you know better than the scholars and professors who have explained these things.

So you know better than your daft god that claim he has made the earth immovable. Seems i am arguing with an ignoramus. Just rest oga don't worry again

Ken4Christ:


You have made your choice. The end result will be regret upon regrets just like countless millions that have made the same mistakes like you. Farewell.

I know my right from wrong, if a deity exists that damns people to an eternity of torture for simply not being convinced to believe in it, rather than the actions of the people, then that's an unjust and malicious God not worthy of worship to begin with.
So yeah, I'll take my chances.

The same way you've chosen to ignore the threats of all the other religions in the world.

IMAliyu:

I know my right from wrong, if a deity exists that damns people to an eternity of torture for simply not being convinced to believe in it, rather than the actions of the people, then that's an unjust and malicious God not worthy of worship to begin with.
So yeah, I'll take my chances.

The same way you've chosen to ignore the threats of all the other religions in the world.

This is the wrong notion people have about God. He never created hell fire as a means to punish those who disobey him. Hell was created for the devil and his angels.

But man in the person of Adam surrendered his dominion to Satan through disobedience. And Satan became the god of this present earth.

So, it is Satan that holds man legally captive and claims their souls for hell.

So, we were all doomed to hell on account of the sin of Adam. But the last Adam, Jesus came and paid the price to set us free. He actually went to hell and took the keys of hell and death from Satan.

So, those who believe in Jesus will be delivered from that horrible place.

But if you don't, you will end up there because Satan is invariably your master. And where your master is, you will be there also.

So, it's not like God decides to send people there. Adam's sin already made us hell bound. But the sacrifice of Jesus set us free.

Can you move the earth? Immovable means that humans cannot move it.

Your ignorance and lack of understanding of basic geology is making you look more and more like a fool.

Can you move the earth's crust, mantle or core?

I'm just testing your intelligence before I dismiss you like the village illiterate you are!

You poor fool who became an "atheist" without knowing that atheism doesn't work without elevated levels of knowledge and cognitive ability.

You're making your fellow atheists embarrassed...

Alao046:
who ask you to quote all these nonsense. Your god said the earth is immovable. So tell me or ask your god to tell me how he came to the conclusion that the earth is immovable.

Is my question not clear enough.
Why did ur god say that the earth is immovable? Please if u cannot answer the question just shut up

I have shown you the interpretation of the koran by Mufasereen. If you're too ignorant to understand even the basics of how Islam works, why are you defending it so weakly and stupidly?!?

AntiChristian and haekymbahd come and see how this atheist is calling Ibn Abass a liar!!!

Alao046:

You talk too much. Just one task and u cannot do. Show me the verse in the Qur'an or swallow ur opinion

IMAliyu:

Even if your translation is the correct one, you'd have to be willing to do your own personal interpretation to reconcile the passage with with known facts about the earth.

Yes, land moves, there are tectonic plates and continental drift, just not in a human time scale.

The land only moved during the creation, after the creation the land has remained firmly till date.
Even the scientists didn't say land is still moving it once moved during seperation, and that occured during the seperation of land and sea. Since then land has remain firm.

Alao046:

looking for another excuse for you non-existing god. Not be only immovable earth. Your god is ignorant, no need to ague. You see as your reply no follow at all beacuse what is written there is earth not land.

"He set the earth on its foundation, it can never be moved" - psalm 104:5
Please where is land is this statement, ignoramus of god

You mock your foolishness, only a fool will see all this things and say God doesn't exist.
No time to argue with you ignoramus being, the earth in that scripture was refering to land. The foundation of land is sea, because land is rested on sea and it is unmovable.
What about where the bible refer land to as earth genesis 1:10? Think!!!

Obafavour:

The land only moved during the creation, after the creation the land has remained firmly till date.
Even the scientists didn't say land is still moving it once moved during seperation, and that occured during the seperation of land and sea. Since then land has remain firm.

You might want to take a refresher on geology.

The land is always in motion, the movement just happens slow enough that we don't intuitively notice, This motion has been measured.
Yes scientist do claim this.

IMAliyu:

You might want to take a refresher on geology.

The land is always in motion, the movement just happens slow enough that we don't intuitively notice, This motion has been measured.
Yes scientist do claim this.

You said it

AllahIsGarbage:
Let me ask you a question. Can allah enter into his creation?

Allah SWT said:

"And has the story of Moses reached you? -"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 9)

"When he saw a fire and said to his family, Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 10)

"And when he came to it, he was called, O Moses,"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 11)

"Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 14)

Did he enter into his creation here?


1 John 4vs12

12 No man has at any time [yet] seen God. But if we love one another, God abides (lives and remains) in us and His love (that love which is essentially His) is brought to completion (to its full maturity, runs its full course, is perfected) in us!

The Question you should answer is has anyone seen Jesus (Your god) before ....

Without lies
Islam dies

According to the koran, allah created the heaven and the earth.


Surah 7:54
Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days

If allah cannot enter into his creation, how was able to descend into the heaven?

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heaven to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his intercession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?'”

For me and for most intelligent human beings, there is nothing strange about the builder of a house being able to enter into the building he created.

But if allah's feet are tied from being able to walk into his creation, how is he able to enter into lowest heaven he created?

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And has the story of Moses reached you? -"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 9)

"When he saw a fire and said to his family, Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 10)

"And when he came to it, he was called, O Moses,"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 11)

"Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 14)

Did he enter into his creation here?


1 John 4vs12

12 No man has at any time [yet] seen God. But if we love one another, God abides (lives and remains) in us and His love (that love which is essentially His) is brought to completion (to its full maturity, runs its full course, is perfected) in us!

The Question you should answer is has anyone seen Jesus (Your god) before ....

AllahIsGarbage:
According to the koran, allah created the heaven and the earth.


Surah 7:54
Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days

If allah cannot enter into his creation, how was able to descend into the heaven?

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heaven to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his intercession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?'”

For me and for most intelligent human beings, there is nothing strange about the builder of a house being able to enter into the building he created.

But if allah's feet are tied from being able to walk into his creation, how is he able to enter into lowest heaven he created?

Didn't you see the post didn't Allah to speak with Moses was that not on earth the thing is no one has yet seen God...

The voice that spoke to Jesus from heaven that said "here is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" did it descends to earth or not

He is all hearing, All seeing

I am not talking about the ability to project his voice from one place to another.

I'm talking about allah personally descending into the lowest heaven during the third part of the night, every night, and calling out to muslims. Are you saying that allah doesn't personally descend into the heavens? Because you would be contradicting your "prophet" if that is the case....

Also, what is the purpose of allah descending into the nearest heaven to shout himself hoarse, yet nobody hears him? If allah can project his voice and he is barred from entering into his creation, then why take the trouble of traveling down to the nearest heaven every night?

In the Bible whenever God spoke from Heaven, EVERYBODY heard His voice.

When He spoke to the nation of Israel in Mount Sinai, they heard His voice:

Deuteronomy 5:24-26

And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?

Also in Matthew 17 : 5 to 6 when God acknowledged Jesus as His Son, ALL His apostles heard the voice of God from Heaven which confirmed that their Lord was more than just an ordinary prophet:

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him. When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified

So what is the point of allah entering into his creation and calling mûdslîmés to prayer if: (a) he is forbidden from entering his creation by a higher power; and (b) nobody has ever heard his voice when he calls?

I know the answer to these questions. I'm just testing you to know whether or not you know the answers too.

haekymbahd:
Didn't you see the post didn't Allah to speak with Moses was that not on earth the thing is no one has yet seen God...

The voice that spoke to Jesus from heaven that said "here is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" did it descends to earth or not

He is all hearing, All seeing

AllahIsGarbage:
I am not talking about the ability to project his voice from one place to another.

I'm talking about allah personally descending into the lowest heaven during the third part of the night, every night, and calling out to muslims. Are you saying that allah doesn't personally descend into the heavens? Because you would be contradicting your "prophet" if that is the case....

Also, what is the purpose of allah descending into the nearest heaven to shout himself hoarse, yet nobody hears him? If allah can project his voice and he is barred from entering into his creation, then why take the trouble of traveling down to the nearest heaven every night?

In the Bible whenever God spoke from Heaven, EVERYBODY heard His voice.

When He spoke to the nation of Israel in Mount Sinai, they heard His voice:

Deuteronomy 5:24-26

And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?

Also in Matthew 17 : 5 to 6 when God acknowledged Jesus as His Son, ALL His apostles heard the voice of God from Heaven which confirmed that their Lord was more than just an ordinary prophet:

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him. When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified

So what is the point of allah entering into his creation and calling mûdslîmés to prayer if: (a) he is forbidden from entering his creation by a higher power; and (b) nobody has ever heard his voice when he calls?

I know the answer to these questions. I'm just testing you to know whether or not you know the answers too.

He can descend if he wishes to who can decide for him but one thing is no man has yet seen God...

Good! So you finally admitted that allah can enter into his creation and mûdslîmés are just talking nonsense when they say he cannot.

haekymbahd:
He can descend if he wishes to who can decide for him but one thing is no man has yet seen God...

AllahIsGarbage:
Good! So you finally admitted that allah can enter into his creation and mûdslîmés are just talking nonsense when they say he cannot.

it depends on what you mean by entering his creation cos Allah wouldn't enter inside of a man to the extent that he loses his ability as God and become weak (dieing, eating, sleeping e.t.c )....

AllahIsGarbage:
Can you move the earth? Immovable means that humans cannot move it.

Your ignorance and lack of understanding of basic geology is making you look more and more like a fool.

Can you move the earth's crust, mantle or core?

I'm just testing your intelligence before I dismiss you like the village illiterate you are!

You poor fool who became an "atheist" without knowing that atheism doesn't work without elevated levels of knowledge and cognitive ability.

You're making your fellow atheists embarrassed...

Ignoramus trying hard and sweating to defend his half brain dead god . Did your god say in that verse that he meant humans can't move the earth. Looking for everyway to cover for your daft god lapses. Your god said the earth is immovable and firm, meanwhile it is not, so just shut up

Obafavour:

You mock your foolishness, only a fool will see all this things and say God doesn't exist.
No time to argue with you ignoramus being, the earth in that scripture was refering to land. The foundation of land is sea, because land is rested on sea and it is unmovable.
What about where the bible refer land to as earth genesis 1:10? Think!!!

Idiot does ur god not know the difference between earth and land , is he that foolish.
Never knew there is an Almighty vacuum god who cannot differentiate between the spellings of earth and land .

Just rest and agree that ur god is truly daft. Immovable earth my foot

AllahIsGarbage:
I have shown you the interpretation of the koran by Mufasereen. If you're too ignorant to understand even the basics of how Islam works, why are you defending it so weakly and stupidly?!?

AntiChristian and haekymbahd come and see how this atheist is calling Ibn Abass a liar!!!

Glad you cannot bring out a single verse of the Qur'an which justifies it. Now i am satisfied, thank you. You can now swallow ur opinions

both religion are drama bible said GOD created heaven and earth first quran is now telling us is pen.
who i go follow God pls know blame me if i know make heaven because the religions i met the confuse me

Alao046:


Idiot does ur god not know the difference between earth and land , is he that foolish.
Never knew there is an Almighty vacuum god who cannot differentiate between the spellings of earth and land .

Just rest and agree that ur god is truly daft. Immovable earth my foot

You're the daft, i keep saying it only a fool say the trash you wrote.
https://gzipwtf.com/what-is-the-hebrew-name-of-earth/
Bible was written in hebrew it was translated or transiliterated to english.
Go and check this link and see maybe earth doesn't mean land or ground in hebrew and see how daft you are.

Alao046:


Idiot does ur god not know the difference between earth and land , is he that foolish.
Never knew there is an Almighty vacuum god who cannot differentiate between the spellings of earth and land .

Just rest and agree that ur god is truly daft. Immovable earth my foot

Daft being land/ground means adamah in hebrew which also means earth.
Translation have turn you to a daft, and which you have shown.

Was it not in the Bible that Yaweh created plant life before the sun
Christianity is just as dumb as Islam.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Was it not in the Bible that Yaweh created plant life before the sun
Christianity is just as dumb as Islam.

This is a very uninformed comment. In the beginning God created the heavens (plural) and the earth! The plural "heavens" are not just the sky, but also the heavenly bodies in them too! The stars (which in reality are other planets, galaxies, etc), the moon and therefore the sun, are included in this creation. And all these took place BEFORE the first day! This is why you do not see him creating the earth in those six days. They were already existing being created before then. Well, so also were all other masses of land and planets also (as the earth alone couldn't be the only exception)

NKJV Ge 1:1-3,5: "¹ In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ² The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. ³ Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. … ⁵ God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day."

On the first day God said "let there be light". This is when light began coming out from light-producing bodies and stars. When light began to shine! So there was light, and there were the "heavens" already, by this time. What happened later on was God positioning the sun in the sky above the earth and not a creation of the sun!

NKJV Ge 1:14-18: "¹⁴ Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; ¹⁵ and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. ¹⁶ Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night and the stars also. ¹⁷ God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, ¹⁸ and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good."

Remember there was already "light" right from the first day, just not in the firmament of the heavens over the earth! He placed them there and arranged it all in place.

Also people speaking about a moving earth should really learn to read things properly. That quoted scripture DID NOT say the earth would never be moved! What it said is that the foundation of the earth will never be moved!

NKJV Ps 104:5: "⁵ You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,"

Please learn to read properly! But what is this "foundation of the earth"?

NKJV Job 26:7: "⁷ He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing."

NOTHING! The "foundation" is really NOTHING! That scripture was employing figure of speech! There is no literal foundation!

So what happens when the foundation of a house is moved? It collapses! It gets destroyed!

By stating that the "foundation of the earth" will never be moved, it's really saying the earth won't of its own collapse. It won't of its own fall apart. It'll keep existing for as long as the maker wants it to!

haekymbahd:
it depends on what you mean by entering his creation cos Allah wouldn't enter inside of a man to the extent that he loses his ability as God and become weak (dieing, eating, sleeping e.t.c )....

On the one hand you say this:

haekymbahd:
He can descend if he wishes to who can decide for him...

On the other hand you decide for him yourself what he can and cannot do. You set restrictions for him that even if he wanted to do this you won't allow him to. Or that he won't want to because you put it in his mind not to. Can't you see this?

You say you can't decide for him and he can do anything he wishes, but turn around and put restriction on what he can and cannot do. You can't see your own contradiction?