aribisala0:
You are free to say what you like and so am I

Oh...so u know we all free to to talk... shousnt common sense tell you Your freedom of speech doesnt include telling another person they shouldnt talk about an issue....do u understand free speech at all??....

candidtalk:


100% correct.

Well he cannot read

He posted a screenshot that stated that

in England all cases at the Crown Court where the accused pleads NOT GUILTY go to a Jury trial

He posted that himself

IamWonderful:
Baby factory criminals and deception, like they want to sell Pandora Peter Obituary to us with aggressive despicable deception.

you just a blatantly bigoted, hateful, tribalistic pig....I wonder where you come from?

candidtalk:


Stop this show of ignorance. I am assuming this will be a criminal trial. The minute Ekweremadu and his wife plead not guilty then CPS must decide if they wish to proceed and escalate case to a crown court trial that will involve a jury.

What show of ignorance? That you were once part of a jury in doesn't mean I am ignorant..I said the jury system is not popular in UK and I am right

WatchYourSix:


Oh...so u know we all free to to talk... shousnt common sense tell you Your freedom of speech doesnt include telling another person they shouldnt talk about an issue....do u understand free speech at all??....

I told a person they should not talk on an issue?

Please show evidence for that.

If you fail to do that then you would be an idiot but I believe you are not an idiot so show the evidence where I said people should NOT TALK

WatchYourSix:


Who is this again...??
So we cant talk or speculate about the issue anymore ...why do you people like coming to nairaland to tell people what they can or cannot do...its a news worth talking about.. if you dont want to talk about it till the court decides ... thats your cup of tea....

Bro, you can 'talk and speculate' all you want but try and do so in a sensible, informed and knowledgeable manner.

SarkinYarki:


What show of ignorance? That you were once part of a jury in doesn't mean I am ignorant..I said the jury system is not popular in UK and I am right

You are ignorant
First there is no UK judicial system. There are different Systems in England Wales and Scotland

Secondly go and look at the screen shot you posted

ALL cases that go to trial in a Crown Court in England in which the accused pleads NOT GUILTY go to a Jury trial YOUR WORDS

ALL cases not some not 80% ALL

So what would have to happen for it to be "POPULAR"

What qualifies a case for a crown court trial is the seriousness of the allegations/sentence attached.
Magistrates are not necessarily lawyers in England they could be train drivers , Teachers etc
In this case Ekweremadu has pleaded NOT GUILTY and this is a CROWN COURT case so he WILL HAVE A JURY TRIAL if there is a trial

You said on this thread that there will be no jury trial

SarkinYarki:


Oga even though UK have provisions for Jury system under some select jurisdiction it is Hardly used , stop confusing UK with USA..There will be no Jury for this trial .

You do not know what you are talking about
The ONLY POSSIBLE TRIAL for this case is A JURY TRIAL

gidgiddy:
So someone will arrange a UK Visa for you, which is notoriously difficult to get, fly you to London and secure a job for you?

Why? Because you are Joe Biden's son?

So why did someone do all those things for him? Get him a Visa and fly him to London? Because someone is a good Christian?

candidtalk:


Bro, you can 'talk and speculate' all you want but try and do so in a sensible, informed and knowledgeable manner.

Who is this one again...all this authorities on nairaland...well done...i will not insult you...please go...we have seen you and your insult is acknowledged.....

rayvelez:
The boy has already change story omoh I fear for this man, he should be thanking God he he don’t end up in jail.

remember he's a minor..

gidgiddy:
So someone will arrange a UK Visa for you, which is notoriously difficult to get, fly you to London and secure a job for you?

Why? Because you are Joe Biden's son?

don't you know anything bout tourism visa?

He promised you a job abroad as his family member or son of an acquaintance? Someone selling phone accessories on wheelbarrows in Ikotun. This young man seems fraudulent.

zeuss:


you just a blatantly bigoted, hateful, tribalistic pig....I wonder where you come from?

Your parents will be proud of you, you mention their names on nairaland

Cantonese:
He promised you a job abroad as his family member or son of an acquaintance? Someone selling phone accessories on wheelbarrows in Ikotun. This young man seems fraudulent.

How ? He does not seem fraudulent to me. His story is plausible though it may not be true there is no reason to conclude he is fraudulent
Let us hear the other side of the story. We must hear the Ekweremadus
Did he agree to donate his kidney? Where is the evidence?

rayvelez:
The boy has already change story omoh I fear for this man, he should be thanking God he he don’t end up in jail.

What was the original story the boy gave , when and where did he give that story?

WatchYourSix:


Who is this one again...all this authorities on nairaland...well done...i will not insult you...please go...we have seen you and your insult is acknowledged.....

Baba, what insult? Grow a pair of balls and a thick skin. It will get you far in life.

Ihatebuhariwith:
remember he's a minor..

We will see if this will still be the case by the time the Ekweremadus attend Court next. UK is not Nigeria where forgery is king and always admissible without question.

Establishing the young man's real age will not be difficult for the Crown prosecution service since that will be be vital for a successful prosecution of their case against the Ekweremadus.

Trust me, 419 we play for years in Nigeria can always be put to bed conclusively in the UK in even a few hours of sincere and thorough investigation.

candidtalk:


Baba, what insult? Grow a pair of balls and a thick skin. It will get you far in life.

See oga...dont patronize me....how can u jump into my comment telling if i want to talk, i should talk in a sensible, informed and knowledgeable manner. . Yet you said its not an insult...u still went further to drag me after let it slide.....

are u looking for an online fight by all means..?
I dont know why its hard for people like you to get that others wont have the same opinion with you or agree with you..

Im not one of your errand boys...if you cant dialogue in a civil way..please dont mention me trying to be condescending

aribisala0:
How ? He does not seem fraudulent to me. His story is plausible though it may not be true there is no reason to conclude he is fraudulent
Let us hear the other side of the story. We must hear the Ekweremadus
Did he agree to donate his kidney? Where is the evidence?

When the news broke out, Ekwerenmadu was crucified without giving either his wife the opportunity to defend themselves. As we speak, they do not have the opportunity yet, until they open their defenses in court.

Now, do you actually think that a man of that status and a lawyer too, would risk his position, knowing the dangers to his personality?

“Did he agree to donate his kidney?” You need to wonder what would tie Ekwerenmadu and the young man together. Was it as simply as to get him a job abroad? What did the young man offer the Ekwerenmadus to benefit such a gesture?

Take your time to read the stories as the come up and then you can put the pieces together easily.
The young man apparently agreed to donate his kidney for a fee. Surely you cannot call a man of 22 a small boy. On arrival at the hospital, the doctors put him through some questions to confirm his willingness to donate his kidney. The told him about the risks and he weighed the risks along with the options set before him. He chickened out right there.

Do not forget that he walked to the airport on his own volition. Did you hear that the Ekwerenmadus forced him at any point? We never heard that.

With their court appearances, we should see documentary evidences of all that transpired between the parties. The transaction fell apart in the hospital. I still hold the opinion that the boy was fraudulent with his last minute decision at the hospital.

Ihatebuhariwith:
don't you know anything bout tourism visa?

Ok, so let take your tourist visa idea.

So someone who is not known to you would just secure a tourist visa for you to visit the UK, just like that?

Cantonese:


When the news broke out, Ekwerenmadu was crucified without giving either his wife the opportunity to defend themselves. As we speak, they do not have the opportunity yet, until they open their defenses in court.

Now, do you actually think that a man of that status and a lawyer too, would risk his position, knowing the dangers to his personality?

“Did he agree to donate his kidney?” You need to wonder what would tie Ekwerenmadu and the young man together. Was it as simply as to get him a job abroad? What did the young man offer the Ekwerenmadus to benefit such a gesture?

Take your time to read the stories as the come up and then you can put the pieces together easily.
The young man apparently agreed to donate his kidney for a fee. Surely you cannot call a man of 22 a small boy. On arrival at the hospital, the doctors put him through some questions to confirm his willingness to donate his kidney. The told him about the risks and he weighed the risks along with the options set before him. He chickened out right there.

Do not forget that he walked to the airport on his own volition. Did you hear that the Ekwerenmadus forced him at any point? We never heard that.

With their court appearances, we should see documentary evidences of all that transpired between the parties. The transaction fell apart in the hospital. I still hold the opinion that the boy was fraudulent with his last minute decision at the hospital.

So Ekweremadu was crucified? And it is your job to defend him?
And you are doing that by giving a FACTUAL ACCOUNT of events Are you doing this as 1) An Eyewitness 2) A Passerby 3 ) or a bystander?

Look at the emboldened from your statement

I do not know how you know that.

From a FACTUAL perspective the truth is we have to wait till the case gets to court
Trying to ESTABLISH FACTS on a thread like this can never be objective

To say he was told X and then he "chickened out" is a biassed statement not borne out by evidence

You simply have no way of knowing this and you do not know it. It is an opinion
I do not know what happened .I was not there. Neither were you

So the correct thing is to say Ekweremadu is innocent until proven guilty let us wait to hear what his accusers think they have by way of a case against him. Have we heard the Prosecution case or charges? Let us wait for that

You ask
Now, do you actually think that a man of that status and a lawyer too, would risk his position, knowing the dangers to his personality? I do not have an opinion on that . That question should be addressed to the courts by his defence counsel . My opinion does not matter and you asking the question show you are biassed
Many men with greater status have done worse things so with respect that question cannot be neutral without looking at FACTS , is clearly biassed and not very smart.
Don't Nigerians of great status kill vulnerable people or exploit them otherwise? Is that news ? That is not an intelligent question

Rather than speculating let us wait till evidence starts to emerge in court

candidtalk:


Stop this nonsense. Over 60 million people in the UK. Many in that Country are the best qualified in the world for any job you can think of yet still unemployed.

Any intelligent person is to believe so much expense was sunk into getting this young man to the UK to fill a job vacancy? Think before you talk na.

The young man is 'street' and likely swindled Ekweremadu who, like most politicians, knows nothing about the 'street' thinking and existence of most of our youths.

Ekweremadu thought he was playing a 'mumu lazy youth' not knowing he was being played. Poetic justice for a politician who contributed to make young Nigerians 'street'.

But for real...lets be objective..somebody of Ekwremadu status approaches you and tells you he can give you a job in the UK .will you doubt?

Secondly, why will He be sent to Uk for organ donation without accent from His Doctors in Nigeria. The senator has personal doctors which would have had encounter with the boy before he was flown abroad.

Thirdly, where are the parents of the boy? Where are the documents signed that He agreed to donate organs. If it were legal there ought to third parties in Nigeria from both Ekwremadu and the Boy's side
Donating organs for monetary gain itself is a crime.

Anyway,I hope justice will be served

SarkinYarki:


Infact it's after there is a match the negotiations even begin ..

They might have done that here Nigeria secretly in the name of pre employment/ before the journey tests

Compatibility tests are not big deal
They do it here in my village, Ife let alone Lagos, Enugu or PH
But according to the principles of organ transplant some of the tests must be repeated just before transplant

kuboy:
Mr Man you are lieing, am immigration personnel . You can't obtain international passport without going to immigration office for capturing .

They have also started investigating his passport

WatchYourSix:


See oga...dont patronize me....how can u jump into my comment telling if i want to talk, i should talk in a sensible, informed and knowledgeable manner. . Yet you said its not an insult...u still went further to drag me after let it slide.....

are u looking for an online fight by all means..?
I dont know why its hard for people like you to get that others wont have the same opinion with you or agree with you..

Im not one of your errand boys...if you cant dialogue in a civil way..please dont mention me trying to be condescending

Okay. You're 100% correct. I apologise unreservedly. Do you not agree we must still put speculations aside, as sensible adults, before going public with our personal opinions?

aribisala0:
So Ekweremadu was crucified? And it is your job to defend him?
And you are doing that by giving a FACTUAL ACCOUNT of events Are you doing this as 1) An Eyewitness 2) A Passerby 3 ) or a bystander?

Look at the emboldened from your statement

I do not know how you know that.

From a FACTUAL perspective the truth is we have to wait till the case gets to court
Trying to ESTABLISH FACTS on a thread like this can never be objective

To say he was told X and then he "chickened out" is a biassed statement not borne out by evidence

You simply have no way of knowing this and you do not know it. It is an opinion
I do not know what happened .I was not there. Neither were you

So the correct thing is to say Ekweremadu is innocent until proven guilty let us wait to hear what his accusers think they have by way of a case against him. Have we heard the Prosecution case or charges? Let us wait for that

You ask
Now, do you actually think that a man of that status and a lawyer too, would risk his position, knowing the dangers to his personality? I do not have an opinion on that . That question should be addressed to the courts by his defence counsel . My opinion does not matter and you asking the question show you are biassed
Many men with greater status have done worse things so with respect that question cannot be neutral without looking at FACTS , is clearly biassed and not very smart.
Don't Nigerians of great status kill vulnerable people or exploit them otherwise? Is that news ? That is not an intelligent question

Rather than speculating let us wait till evidence starts to emerge in court

“Rather than speculating let us wait..”. But you are speculating too! Please refer to you response to my initial comment for your clarification on that.

How would you say that Ekwerenmadu was not crucified? Did you not read people mocking him? Some referred to him as ritualistic. Some generalized all politicians as ritualists, etc.

Certainly we must allow the courts to establish the facts as they went. However you cannot take away from people, their liberties to either speculate or draw their own conclusions; at least using trending events as their examples.

Once again I advise you to read comments originating from members of the young man’s family and certain individuals who claim to know him personally.

“Many men with greater status have done worse things..”. Do you want to say that you are not aware that certain highly placed individuals have had their lives and careers ruined by gold diggers?

Christistruth00:
https://tvafrica24.com/i-was-promised-a-job-in-the-uk-and-not-organ-donation-ekweremadus-donor-david-tells-his-story/


The young man involved in the controversial organ harvesting scandal that led to the arrest and detention of Senator Ike Ekweremadu and his wife Beatrice in the UK, David Nwamini Ukpo, has taken to the social media to tell his own side of the story.

According to David Nwamini in a Facebook post on Saturday, June 25th, he stated that he was allegedly lured from Nigeria to London for the harvesting of his kidney without his consent.

He claimed that they promised him a job and never told him about the donating any organ, adding that he got to know about the organ harvesting through the physician who was going to perform the procedure on him.



Recall, Ike Ekweremadu and his wife were arrested in the United Kingdom by the police and detained on allegations of child trafficking and organ harvesting after Ekweremadu had flown David to UK for the kidney transplant.

Ekweremadu and his wife were subsequently denied bail in court, and the case adjourned to July 7.

Entiled “My journey to UK”, Ukpo’s unedited post reads below



“On one fateful day I met a man named okoro in a building site where I was working for my daily bread, okoro told me he like me, he want to help me achieve my dream because he saw me as a great person. He told me could you like to work in UK I just started laughing because I don’t have money for that, then I told him no am not interested and asked me why I told him I don’t have money for that.


“He just started laughing to me and told me he is going to introduce me to senator his company in UK need workers, so he could start my visa processing.

“I have no other option than to accept the offered, after two day the man came to the building site again and told me the senator wanted to see me so we could start the visa processing, then I dropped my shovel and head pan and went to bath immediately.

“Mr okoro took me to unknown area where I haven’t been before, I was afraid maybe he is a money ritualist, I encouraged my self since I knew Mr okoro for a long time there will be no problem. Mr okoro hand me over to one young man wearing a suit, he told me everything about then I told him Mr okoro has already explain everything to me and I have accepted to work in UK.


I Was Promised A Job In The UK And Not Organ Donation – Ekweremadu’s Donor, David Tells His Story

“Their later gave me a room on that mansion and snap me a passport photographs and told their will start my visa processing immediately. the kind of food I ate there my generation haven’t ate it before. I was so happy staying in that house. After a week their told me my visa and passport are ready their told we are going to leave tomorrow, I was taken to airport from there we land in UK I was taken to a hospital in UK.

“When we landed in hospital in UK I was told I must went for a medical test to check my health status, if I’m fit for the job I accepted without any question. I thank God for doctor harry who told me everything and I told him why I’m here and he later called police for my rescued.”

Me I'm still wondering the type of site work that will require one person to handle headpan and shovel simultaneously.

Akacollins7:
The small boy is playing smart that'll consume him. I pity him and people that advising him. You can not wake and start playing with fire. Even posting on his face book that grace have found him. The people that you knew they are not human being

And how many times have senators like Ike played smart on Nigerians?? Where was your hypocritical self then?
Wo, like it or not, Karma still dey and e go eff you up whomever you think you're
Ike's is a cautionary tale for you lots who think money is everything.

Adolfhitler001:
In as much as the old man claiming 15 is lieing I have no single pity for any Nigerian politician caught up on similar situation
Karma is dealing with ekwermadu and I hope it catch up with the rest of those idiots called politician

Amen

Yes, you were promised to work at the Ekweremadu's teaching hospital as a doctor.

kuboy:
Mr Man you are lieing, am immigration personnel . You can't obtain international passport without going to immigration office for capturing .

Oga, you are talking as if you are not a Nigerian, anything can happen in this our country ooo, never underestimate Nigerian politicians especially one with high rank

What I'm just sure of is with the UK government, Justice would be served.