Amujale:


You guys won't stop bastardising history, will you?


Not really, the people known as the Gnostic were the Hellenist and they were mainly Greek as expressed earlier.

You are the one forming up history that doesn’t exist.
Gnostic literally means knowledge.
Nazarene are gnostic teachers.

Gnostic teachers existed before Christianity was created!
Nazarene are gnostic teachers!

Hellenist were jews.
Heard of “Hellenistic period”?

Maynman:

Hellenist were jews.

The Hellenist were Greek.

Amujale:


The Hellenist were Greek.

No they were not!
Read up .

Maynman:

Heard of “Hellenistic period”?

Goes to show that you didn't bother to read the post that you have responded.

Amujale:


Goes to show that you didn't bother to read the post that you have responded.

You don’t even understand what I wrote.
Hellenist Is not a tribe!

Bring out fact, don’t just be talking.

Maynman:

No they were not!
Read up .

Dude, kindly go and study, research instead of simply plucking stuff from surface level.

Everyone who studied history knows that the Hellenist were Greek and Greco-roman.

These are the reasons we are to bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and concentrate our focus on reality.

You literally posted a Wikipedia article that corroborates these facts.

Who were the occupants of Alexandria?

Amujale:


Dude, kindly go and study, research instead of simply plucking stuff from surface level.

Everyone who studied history knows that the Hellenist were Greek and Greco-roman.

You literally posted a Wikipedia article that corroborates these facts.

Who were the occupants of Alexandria?

Any body that has studied history will never say that. You are just forming up history, and it’s getting dumb.
Hellenistic period is the spread of greek culture and language to other parts of the country.
Talk is cheap, bring out your facts.

You mean Alexandria of Egypt?

Maynman:


Any body that has studied history will never say that. ...

Dude go and troll elsewhere. You posted proof that corroborates what I've been saying and continue to argue pointlessly.

Both , Wiktionary and Wikipedia are telling you that the Hellenist were Greek yet, for the reasons given earlier it continues to elude you.

Amujale:


Dude go and troll elsewhere. You posted proof that corroborates what I've been saying and continue to argue pointlessly.

Dude, go and learn history, stop assuming and being intentionally ignorant!
It’s glaring you don’t know what you are saying.

Clean your eyeballs and read slowly, no where did they say “Hellenist are greeks”.
Hellenistic period was a time when other parts of the world were influenced by greeks cultures and traditions by the GREEKS as we have hellenized jews.
This is basic even for a re.tard.

Arguing something that’s so glaring lol
Maybe this is your first time hearing of the term, you goofing so badly
What concerns gnostic with Hellenistic. Lol

Maynman:
....

Go and troll elsewhere

Amujale:


….

Learn and stop basking in ignorance.

What concerns gnostic with Hellenistic. Lol

Maynman:
...

You have failed to derail the thread with all the false narratives you continue to peddle.

Now, take your 'L' and go and troll elsewhere.

Amujale:


You have failed to derail the thread with all the false narratives you continue to peddle.

Now, take your 'L' and go and troll elsewhere.

You’ve been caught and exposed with your formulated history.

Be humble, learn and stop basking in ignorance.

What concerns gnostic with Hellenistic. Lol

The aim of the thread is to shed light on the false narratives that these foreign extremist ideologies continue to perpetuate on the continent.

It's pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and concentrate our focus on reality.

And the reality here is that our history comprises of agriculture, arts, architecture, astrology, astronomy, commerce, economics, engineering, fishing, law, mathematics, medical sciences, metallurgy, mining, philosophy, physical sciences, shipbuilding,e.t.c

These are our bread and butter and not foreign extremist ideologically based rhetoric, the forementioned disciplines are the things we ought to return to studying conscientiously.

While doing so, stop saying what you lack knowledge on, stay within your limit and don’t become what you preach against.

What concerns gnostic with Hellenistic. Lol

Maynman:

The Old Testament talks about “cheta” which translates to sin in ENGLISH LANGUAGE , and the greek equivalent is “harmatia” which translates to sin in ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
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The above explanations are incorrect and misleading, but unfortunately you keep repeating them.

You don't have all the facts and have relied only on what you cherry picked from articles in Wikipedia which lacks the necessary background information to make you understand them fully.

It's only within Christianity and amongs Christian apologists that those translations are accepted as correct. Outside, they have been rejected and labeled a mistranslation..

Chata and harmatia are equivalent, but only literally. Both terms were drawn from spear throwing and archery respectively. In those sports when you failed to hit your target, you "miss the mark or target" due to mistake or error.

Nobody would accuse you of sin or offending anyone if you failed to hit your target. It doesn't make sense anyone should.

It's in this sense of missing your target or goal either by mistake or error of judgment that both chata and harmatia were understood by users of those terms in the Hebrew and Greek languages . It was in the same sense that Aristotle, the first person to use the term, harmatia, defined it in his peotics.


However, when Chata was used in the Hebrew Bible it's meaning became dependent on the context in which the word was used; it was used either literally or figuratively; chata in certain Instances in the Hebrew Bible was used as a metaphoric reference for acts of transgressions,"sin" against man and God .

Take note that I have put "sin", in quotes. This is because the way "sin"is viewed in Judaism is not exactly the same as it's conceptualised in Christianity ; harmatiology.

In Judaism for instance, Chata,,"sin" is regarded as a mistake that people can easily make amends for and move on with life, but in Christianity ,sin is not by mistake. Every sin is attached with excessive guilt and regarded as acts of transgressions against God.

It's a known fact that once a particular word takes on a new meaning in a different context in which it's used, it can no longer serve as substitute for its exact equivalent in that same language nor can it translate to its exact literal equivalent in another language.

But unfortunately, Jewish scholars who translated the Hebrew Bible into the Greek Bible, the Septuagint, continued to translate chata as harmatia not minding the context where the meaning had changed.This created confusion for later translators from the Greek Bible to other languages.

Harmatia has been described by Greek scholars who understand the language very well as a morally neutral term that as nothing whatsoever to do with "sin" or acts of transgressions either literally or figuratively.

Since "sin" is the issue of contention here, sorry you're in error my friend, Chata when it metaphorically refers to "sin" or acts of transgressions in the Hebrew Bible, doesn't translate as harmatia in Greek Bible..

It was this mistranslation of chata as harmatia,"sin" that made translators of the English Bible to erroneously translate harmatia or chata as "sin" in every instances they came across those terms in the either the Hebrew or Greek Bibles.

For instance, in judges 20. 16, certain stone throwers were described as having the ability to "aim at an hair breath and not "chata" in the Hebrew Bible(harmatia in Greek Bible) , which was later erroneously translated as "aim at an hair breath and not sin" in the English Bible . The translation in this context doesn't make any sense. Here Chata was used literally, but was translated as sin.

However, some of this obvious mistranslation have been corrected but some left untouched

And till today Christian apologists everywhere still argue that harmatia is the word for sin in Greek when it's not. I believe they do this to maintain the sanctity of the Bible because if the truth of those mistranslations becomes public knowledge then it would cast doubt on the authenticity of those documents especially when it's believed amongst Christians that the disciples of Jesus actually wrote parts of the New testament in Greek, whereas it was Early Church fathers who created those stories using false authorship known as pseudography.

I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as the study of harmatia or any entry associating harmatia with sin. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your head in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.

And please nothing from Wikipedia. That site is not a reliable one. It's a dumping ground for anything both good and bad. Anybody can place and edit anything there to promote their personal agenda or group agenda. Unless you can verify what you read thete, then stay off. But I have noticed you don't bother to confirm anything you read there.
You have swallowed a lot of nonsense from that site which I have observed you used most times in blind arguments with others on this board.

Listen, “Sin” is an English word, the latins, french, greek or Hebrew people that are Christians won’t call it “sin”.
“Sin” is the English translation of Greek “harmatia” in the Christian theology.
This is basic..

And you expect me not to know this?

The reason I kept asking for the meaning of those terms was to find out what you really know.

But I confirmed from your replies you don't know much and were just clutching at straws in Wikipedia.

You don't know all of the meaning attached to harmatia in Greek language and sin in old English before they were used , but are certain they were correct translations for chata.


I have proven you have limited information and been using that to confidently assertt things that are only true within Christianity and not elsewhere.

Harmatiology is not the study of harmatia. The term, harmatia, is associated with literature and only recently in medicine.

So anytime you declare that falsehood, Just know you're generalising. And it's even worse that you're using what is only true in Christianity to do that.
.

I replied to your mention, I’m chilled, don’t fret, you are trying too hard!
I overestimated you, I didn’t know you were this basic, I’ll come down to your level now.

Your cockiness is for nothing. It is waste. It doesn't affect me.

I wanted to reply immediately, but when I read the above nonsense, I felt you were not worth my time. I have better things to do. And decided to reply when I have the time to spare.

Anyone following who has taking the time to read what I have carefully explained above is in a better position to judge for themselves.

I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as been associated with literature and medicine. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your dull brain in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.

triplechoice:


The above explanations are incorrect and misleading, but unfortunately you keep repeating them.

You don't have all the facts and have relied only on what you cherry picked from articles in Wikipedia which lacks the necessary background information to make you understand them fully.

It's only within Christianity and amongs Christian apologists that those translations are accepted as correct. Outside, they have been rejected and labeled a mistranslation..

Chata and harmatia are equivalent, but only literally. Both terms were drawn from spear throwing and archery respectively. In those sports when you failed to hit your target, you "miss the mark or target" due to mistake or error.

Nobody would accuse you of sin or offending anyone if you failed to hit your target. It doesn't make sense anyone should.

It's in this sense of missing your target or goal either by mistake or error of judgment that both chata and harmatia were understood by users of those terms in the Hebrew and Greek languages . It was in the same sense that Aristotle, the first person to use the term, harmatia, defined it in his peotics.


However, when Chata was used in the Hebrew Bible it's meaning became dependent on the context in which the word was used; it was used either literally or figuratively; chata in certain Instances in the Hebrew Bible was used as a metaphoric reference for acts of transgressions,"sin" against man and God .

Take note that I have put "sin", in quotes. This is because the way "sin"is viewed in Judaism is not exactly the same as it's conceptualised in Christianity ; harmatiology.

In Judaism for instance, Chata,,"sin" is regarded as a mistake that people can easily make amends for and move on with life, but in Christianity ,sin is not by mistake. Every sin is attached with excessive guilt and regarded as acts of transgressions against God.

It's a known fact that once a particular word takes on a new meaning in a different context in which it's used, it can no longer serve as substitute for its exact equivalent in that same language nor can it translate to its exact literal equivalent in another language.

But unfortunately, Jewish scholars who translated the Hebrew Bible into the Greek Bible, the Septuagint, continued to translate chata as harmatia not minding the context where the meaning had changed.This created confusion for later translators from the Greek Bible to other languages.

Harmatia has been described by Greek scholars who understand the language very well as a morally neutral term that as nothing whatsoever to do with "sin" or acts of transgressions either literally or figuratively.

Since "sin" is the issue of contention here, sorry you're in error my friend, Chata when it metaphorically refers to "sin" or acts of transgressions in the Hebrew Bible, doesn't translate as harmatia in Greek Bible..

It was this mistranslation of chata as harmatia,"sin" that made translators of the English Bible to erroneously translate harmatia or chata as "sin" in every instances they came across those terms in the either the Hebrew or Greek Bibles.

For instance, in judges 20. 16, certain stone throwers were described as having the ability to "aim at an hair breath and not "chata" in the Hebrew Bible(harmatia in Greek Bible) , which was later erroneously translated as "aim at an hair breath and not sin" in the English Bible . The translation in this context doesn't make any sense. Here Chata was used literally, but was translated as sin.

However, some of this obvious mistranslation have been corrected but some left untouched

And till today Christian apologists everywhere still argue that harmatia is the word for sin in Greek when it's not. I believe they do this to maintain the sanctity of the Bible because if the truth of those mistranslations becomes public knowledge then it would cast doubt on the authenticity of those documents especially when it's believed amongst Christians that the disciples of Jesus actually wrote parts of the New testament in Greek, whereas it was Early Church fathers who created those stories using false authorship known as pseudography.

I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as the study of harmatia or any entry associating harmatia with sin. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your head in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.

And please nothing from Wikipedia. That site is not a reliable one. It's a dumping ground for anything both good and bad. Anybody can place and edit anything there to promote their personal agenda or group agenda. Unless you can verify what you read thete, then stay off. But I have noticed you don't bother to confirm anything you read there.
You have swallowed a lot of nonsense from that site which I have observed you used most times in blind arguments with others on this board.




And you expect me not to know this?

The reason I kept asking for the meaning of those terms was to find out what you really know.

But I confirmed from your replies you don't know much and were just clutching at straws in Wikipedia.

You don't know all of the meaning attached to harmatia in Greek language and sin in old English before they were used , but are certain they were correct translations for chata.


I have proven you have limited information and been using that to confidently assertt things that are only true within Christianity and not elsewhere.

Harmatiology is not the study of harmatia. The term, harmatia, is associated with literature and only recently in medicine.

So anytime you declare that falsehood, Just know you're generalising. And it's even worse that you're using what is only true in Christianity to do that.
.

Your cockiness is for nothing. It is waste. It doesn't affect me.

I wanted to reply immediately, but when I read the above nonsense, I felt you were not worth my time. I have better things to do. And decided to reply when I have the time to spare.

Anyone following who has taking the time to read what I have carefully explained above is in a better position to judge for themselves.

You said a bunch of nothing.
The tanakh was written in hebrew and cheta was used.
New Testament was originally written in greek, hence chata was converted to harmatia. “Sin” was a later translation of harmatia and chata, not the other way round.
“ Chata and harmatia are equivalent, but only literally. Both terms were drawn from spear throwing and archery respectively”
This is a complete LIE, you just keep ranting without dropping your reliable links yet you blabbing about how Wikipedia is not reliable.

Harmatiology is the study of harmatia. “Harmatia” is not a English word, so which English dictionary do you expect to see a greek word in it, if you are wise you’ll first translate what’s sin in greek language then you get your definition.
If you can’t comprehend what i said that’s your problem,
I said “ Sin” is the English translation of Greek “harmatia” in the CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY”.


Can you send your own reliable sites?
You just said a whole lot of jargons.

Maynman:
I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as been associated with literature and medicine. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your dull brain in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.


You said a bunch of nothing.
The tanakh was written in hebrew and cheta was used.
New Testament was originally written in greek, hence chata was converted to harmatia. “Sin” was a later translation of harmatia and chata, not the other way round.
“ Chata and harmatia are equivalent, but only literally. Both terms were drawn from spear throwing and archery respectively”
This is a complete LIE, you just keep ranting without dropping your reliable links yet you blabbing about how Wikipedia is not reliable.

Harmatiology is the study of harmatia. “Harmatia” is not a English word, so which English dictionary do you expect to see a greek word in it, if you are wise you’ll first translate what’s sin in greek language then you get your definition.

Can you send your own reliable sites?
You just said a whole lot of jargons.

What you uploaded defined harmatiology as the study of sin. None has defined it they way you did. So what's your point?

Are you changing the goalpost?. You have been insisting that harmatiology is the study of harmatia. I said you were wrong. Has the above not shown you were wrong. Where is harmatia in those definitions?

Harmatia has nothing to do with sin. It's a morally neutral term. There are entries for harmatia in English dictionaries..

English language has borrowed from other languages too,; Latin, French, Greek etc. If you don't know this ,why should I continue to argue with you.

Hamartia doesn't translate to sin. It was a mistranslation in the English Bible. This is something that is known as a fact outside of Christianity.

Take your time to read what I wrote or you do further research on this.

Below is a description of harmatia in an Englishdictionary. Other dictionaries in English have the same description for harmatia. Search out for them. You have data.

Below is from Collins dictionary.
Harmatia The one you uploaded has been edited. Anybody' following can go online to so a quick check to confirm

triplechoice:


What you uploaded defined harmatiology as the study of sin. None has defined it they way you did. So what's your point?

Are you changing the goalpost?. You have been insisting that harmatiology is the study of harmatia. I said you were wrong. Has the above not shown you were wrong. Where is harmatia in those definitions?

Harmatia has nothing to do with sin. It's a morally neutral term. There are entries for harmatia in English dictionaries..

English language has borrowed from other languages too,; Latin, French, Greek etc. If you don't know this ,why should I continue to argue with you.

Hamartia doesn't translate to sin. It was a mistranslation in the English Bible. This is something that is known as a fact outside of Christianity.

Take your time to read what I wrote or you do further research on this.

Below is a description of harmatia in an Englishdictionary. Other dictionaries in English have the same description for harmatia. Search out for them. You have data.

Harmatiology is the study of sin.
What’s sin in greek language?
If you can’t comprehend what i said then it’s your on you.
What is the definition of sin?
What’s the definition of harmatia?

Show us the entry of harmatiology. Are you backtracking now?

triplechoice:
Below is from Collins dictionary.
Harmatia The one you uploaded has been edited. Anybody' following can go online to so a quick check to confirm

You should scroll down.

triplechoice:
Below is from Collins dictionary.
Harmatia The one you uploaded has been edited. Anybody' following can go online to so a quick check to confirm

I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as been associated with literature and medicine. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your dull brain in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.

Maynman:

Harmatiology is the study of sin.
What’s sin in greek language?
If you can’t comprehend what i said then it’s your on you.
What is the definition of sin?
What’s the definition of harmatia?

Show us the entry of harmatiology. Are you backtracking now?

Below are your own words. You can't deny it now.

Maynman:


Harmartiology is simply the study of harmatia!.
These are greek words that existed before Christianity was created in rome.

?

I don't need to upload any definitions. The ones you shared has confirmed my position.

triplechoice:



Below are your own words. You can't deny it now.



I don't need to upload any definitions. The ones you shared has confirmed my position.

Harmatiology is the study of harmatia. This is basic

What’s sin called in greek language??
What’s the origin of the word “sin”?

Show us the dictionary where “harmatiology” is associated with literature and medicine but not Harmatia.

The reason the word hamartia is used in Christianity is because of its use in the Septuagint.

But the use has been proven to be incorrect.. You're unaware of this fact.

Harmatia doesn't translate ro sin because sin before it was used in the English Bible, refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God

Harmatia is a morally neutral term that has nothing to do with any such violations.

The mistranslation is similar to what Ajayi crowther did by wrongly translating Satan as Esu in the Yoruba Bible..

Till today some uninformed Christians in Nigeria would argue blindly that Esu is the same as Satan and that Ajayi was correct.

triplechoice:
The reason the word hamartia is used in Christianity is because of its use in the Septuagint.

But the use has been proven to be incorrect.. You're unaware of this fact.

Harmatia doesn't translate ro sin because sin before it was used in the English Bible, refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God

Harmatia is a morally neutral term that has nothing to do with any such violations.

The mistranslation is similar to what Ajayi crowther did by wrongly translating Satan as Esu in the Yoruba Bible..

Till today some uninformed Christians in Nigeria would argue blindly that Esu is the same as Satan and that Ajayi was correct.

The same can be said for “sin”, if sin wasn’t used in new king james bible it won’t be in Christianity.
Christianity didn’t create the word “sin”
Sin too is a neutral term that has nothing to do with violations.
You lied, “sin refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God” that’s a LIE!


Harmatiology is the study of harmatia!

triplechoice:

Harmatia doesn't translate ro sin because sin before it was used in the English Bible, refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God

Stop lying.

[quote author=Maynman post=118284628]
The same can be said for “sin”, if sin wasn’t used in new king james bible it won’t be in Christianity.
Christianity didn’t create the word “sin”
Sin too is a neutral term that has nothing to do with violations.
You lied, “sin refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God” that’s a LIE!


Harmatiology is the study of harmatia![/quote
What are saying? Are you listening to yourself at all
Before a word in any language is used as translation for another word in another language it must have a meaning associated] with it.

Translators don't use meaningless words in their translation.

You don't know the meaning of sin before it was used in the English Bible. That's actually the problem you have.
Here below s the meaning of sin before it vwad used in the Bible.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-is-sin. You can continue to argue blindly.. I am done for now.

[quote author=triplechoice post=118284984][/quote]

You said nothing.
Send another link that says the same thing

What’s the origin of the word “sin”
Which religion uses it to mean violations to god?
What’s the origin of the word “god”

You can continue basking in ignorance!

[quote author=triplechoice post=118284984][/quote]
The word sin goes beyond old English.
Keep basking in ignorance!

Maynman:


You said nothing.
Send another link that says the same thing

What’s the origin of the word “sin”
Which religion uses it to mean violations to god?
What’s the origin of the word “god”

You can continue basking in ignorance!

You're confused. So Christianity is the only religion practiced in the world?
Go through the link I shared and get the answers you are asking

The English people of the past had their own traditional religion.