https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83R2uRzRZ4
Many will be left behind for little ignorant reasons. I saw the book of the left behinds, everyone that was left behind in the rapture had a reason why they were left behind. dont think you are standing, seek God the more to know where you need to make amendments.

What's rapture ?

For the umpteenth time, pretribulation rapture is a fraudulent doctrine.


Those “left behind” are the righteous ones! The ones taken away are the sinners JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH!

Matthew 24 v 38 - 40;
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until THE FLOOD CAME AND "TOOK THEM" ALL AWAY. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
40 Two men will be in the field; one will "BE TAKEN" and the other left.

The sinners were the ones taken away (by the flood) in the days of Noah.

Only the guilty concern themselves too much with the rapture.

OkCornel:
For the umpteenth time, pretribulation rapture is a fraudulent doctrine.


Those “left behind” are the righteous ones! The ones taken away are the sinners JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH!

Matthew 24 v 38 - 40;
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until THE FLOOD CAME AND "TOOK THEM" ALL AWAY. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
40 Two men will be in the field; one will "BE TAKEN" and the other left.

The sinners were the ones taken away (by the flood) in the days of Noah.

The passage you quoted has nothing to do with the rapture of the church. It is about the persecution the children of Israel will go through during the great tribulation period.

SeniorMan715:
What's rapture ?

The rapture of the church.

Dtruthspeaker:
Only the guilty concern themselves too much with the rapture.

It's scriptural. Don't mock at it. It will happen.

I don't understand

Ken4Christ:

The rapture of the church.

Ken4Christ:


The passage you quoted has nothing to do with the rapture of the church. It is about the persecution the children of Israel will go through during the great tribulation period.

You mean to tell me that these verses in Matthew 24 was referring to Israel only? What sort of joke is this?

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

SeniorMan715:
I don't understand

It's another religious dogma in Christendom!

They are teaching themselves that faithful people will be taken physically to heaven since Jesus said:

"Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. Matthew 24:40-41

Christendom has fabricated a lot of teachings over this statement that's what brought about the word "RAPTURE" but there's nowhere that word could be found in the scriptures.

If you want to know what Jesus meant in that verse feel free to approach any of his true disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:


It's another religious dogma in Christendom!

They are teaching themselves that faithful people will be taken physically to heaven since Jesus said:

"Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. Matthew 24:40-41

Christendom has fabricated a lot of teachings over this statement that's what brought about the word "RAPTURE" but there's nowhere that word could be found in the scriptures.

If you want to know what Jesus meant in that verse feel free to approach any of his true disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

lol, they’ve misunderstood Jesus totally. They don’t even know who were the ones taken away in the days of Noah.

Pretribulation rapture is a fraudulent doctrine.

OkCornel:


You mean to tell me that these verses in Matthew 24 was referring to Israel only? What sort of joke is this?

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Of course, Jesus mentioned the things that will happen in the world.

What I said Jesus was referring to Israel has to do with specific prophecies that has to do with the great tribulation they will experience from the anti Christ.

None of prophecy concerns the church.

The church of the Gentile nations was not yet born and it was still a mystery until Jesus resurrected from the dead.

SeniorMan715:
I don't understand

It is a period the faithful saints in Christ will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. This phenomenon is what is referred to as the rapture of the church.

Apostle Paul described it in the passage below;

1st Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Ken4Christ:


Of course, Jesus mentioned the things that will happen in the world.

What I said Jesus was referring to Israel has to do with specific prophecies that has to do with the great tribulation they will experience from the anti Christ.

None of prophecy concerns the church.

The church of the Gentile nations was not yet born and it was still a mystery until Jesus resurrected from the dead.

None of the prophecies concerns the church yet Jesus warned his followers would be hated by all nations.

Are you for real or are you joking.

Ken4Christ:


It's scriptural. Don't mock at it. It will happen.

I told you before that it has happened already and it is happening but you refuse to hear me (as is your right)

The particular verse in question is best understood in the light of the subject the apostle Paul was discussing when writing to the Thessalonians.
1 Thess. 4:13-18.

It can be seen that the point under consideration is the resurrection of Christ’s joint heirs. All his joint heirs who died before his presence in Kingdom power remained asleep in death. After the start of his presence, however, all these dead ones would be raised to immortal, spirit life, to be united with their Lord. What a comforting thought this was for Christians at Thessalonica in view of the tribulations they were
experiencing. 1 Thess. 1:6.
But there is no Scriptural reason for us to conclude that Jesus
was to descend from heaven literally and that the resurrection
and glorification of those sleeping in death would be visible to humans on earth. Why not? Because Jesus Christ, as a spirit
person in heaven, “dwells in unapproachable light.” “Not one
of men has seen or can see” him as such. ( 1 Tim. 6:16) His situation is therefore comparable to that of his heavenly Father. ( Heb. 1:2, 3) So Jesus Christ descends or comes down in the same sense that the Bible speaks of God as doing so.
For example, the scripture say about God, He proceeded to bend the heavens down and to descend and thick gloom was beneath his feet. ( 2 Sam. 22:10) Look God is going forth from his place, and he will certainly come down and tread upon earth’s high places. ( Mic. 1:3)
Manifestly, God did not literally leave his dwelling place in the
invisible heavens, but he turned his attention to humans on earth, demonstrating his power toward them. Similarly, at his presence, as the apostle Paul indicated, Jesus would turn his attention downward to this earth and exercise his power to resurrect his joint heirs sleeping in death. Was their resurrection to be visible to human eyes? This simply could not be. Why not? Because they are ‘united with Jesus in the likeness of his resurrection.’ ( Rom. 6:5) They experience a resurrection like his. And of Jesus’ resurrection,
the Scriptures tell us that he was “made alive in the spirit.” ( 1 Pet. 3:18) To be seen by his disciples, Jesus had to materialize a body of flesh. This served to prove to them that he had indeed been made alive. ( Acts 1:3) His resurrection,
though, was invisible to human eyes. The watchmen at Jesus’
tomb “trembled and became as dead men,” not on account of
seeing Jesus resurrected, but on account of the angel that rolled the stone away from the tomb Matt. 28:3, 4. So Likewise, the resurrection of the joint heirs of Jesus Christ is invisible. In their case, however, the Scriptures give no indication that they will remain in the vicinity of the earth and immediately after their resurrection reveal themselves to be alive to fellow believers.
Against this background, we can appreciate that the reference
to the living being “caught away” could not mean that their bodies of flesh and blood will begin floating upward to meet the Jesus in what some people speak of as “the rapture.” He will not be in the literal air on a literal cloud, for he
“dwells in unapproachable light” in the highest heavens, the invisible spirit realm. Nevertheless, the being “caught away” must relate to something that actually happens in connection with the resurrection.
Could this relate to their being “caught away” from the doomed world of mankind? Could it refer to their being elevated, ‘seated in the heavenly places with Jesus’
because of having been assigned with him to the heavenly inheritance? ( Eph. 1:3; 2:6) No, this was not what Paul was
discussing in his letter to the Thessalonians.

The reference to being “caught away” was a point that Christians at Thessalonica could use to comfort one another when Jesus’ joint heirs would die. Obviously, the fact that the joint heirs are now separated from the doomed world is not the real source of comfort when there is a death in the congregation of God’s people. Then, too, being separated in this way and united with Jesus in a spiritual sense simply could not mean being ‘always with the Lord.’ Once Christ’s joint heirs finish their earthly course, that condition is no more, as they will then at resurrection be personally with their Lord and that forever. And, of course, the doomed world will also pass away. Furthermore, a person might now on earth be
separated from the world for a time but later lose out on the
reward of being with the Lord Jesus Christ because of unfaithfulness.​— Rev. 2:10.
Accordingly, Paul’s words to the Thessalonians point out that
there is something different about the resurrection of those dying before Christ’s presence in Kingdom power and those completing their earthly course and dying during that presence. This difference may be discerned from Revelation 14:13, where we read: “Happy are the dead who die in union with the Lord from this time onward [that is, since his coming in Kingdom glory]. Yes, says the spirit, let them rest from their labors, for the things they did go right with them.” While
Christ’s joint heirs dying before his presence had to sleep in death, those who finish their earthly course during that presence do not have to do so. They are immediately raised to heavenly life. They cease from their earthly labors and enter right into heavenly service. As invisible spirit persons, they are “caught away,” as if in clouds (a symbol of invisibility), to be forever with their invisible Lord. This is also in harmony with the apostle Paul’s words to the Corinthians: “We shall not all fall asleep in death [that is, remaining in the death state while awaiting a resurrection in the future], but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. 1 Cor.
15:51, 52. What Paul wrote at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 was, essentially, this encouraging message: Anointed Christians
who die before the presence of the Lord sleep in death. When
that awaited presence begins, they are raised to heavenly life
as immortal spirit creatures. Anointed Christians alive during
that presence, however, do not sleep in death. At death they
are immediately changed, being taken to heaven to be with Jesus forever.

OkCornel:


None of the prophecies concerns the church yet Jesus warned his followers would be hated by all nations.

Are you for real or are you joking.

No. He is referring to the Nation of Israel in this context.

This will happen when they refuse to receive the mark of the beast. The entire nation in the world at that time will hate Israel.

And the church will not be on earth at that time.

Ken4Christ:


No. He is referring to the Nation of Israel in this context.

This will happen when they refuse to receive the mark of the beast. The entire nation in the world at that time will hate Israel.

And the church will not be on earth at that time.

Oh…so the only the Israelite followers of Christ would be hated by all nations?

The Christians that were persecuted throughout the Roman Empire for example were only Israelite Christians?

Are you really trolling me? Or are you being serious.

Ken4Christ:


No. He is referring to the Nation of Israel in this context.

This will happen when they refuse to receive the mark of the beast. The entire nation in the world at that time will hate Israel.

And the church will not be on earth at that time.

If the church would not be on earth at that time, can you explain 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4?

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1.Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up IN GOD’S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God.


Was Paul writing to the Israelites here?

OkCornel:


If the church would not be on earth at that time, can you explain 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4?

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1.Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up IN GOD’S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God.


Was Paul writing to the Israelites here?

The gathering together unto him is the army that will follow Jesus down to earth to battle and defeat the anti Christ at the end of the Great tribulation period.

This is not the same as the rapture when we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

BelovedCityWatch:

Many will be left behind for little ignorant reasons. I saw the book of the left behinds, everyone that was left behind in the rapture had a reason why they were left behind. dont think you are standing, seek God the more to know where you need to make amendments.

Left behind dreams...LOL...

The one and only reason a born-again will not enter into Heaven at the end is disobedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ aka Sin..

Ken4Christ:


The gathering together unto him is the army that will follow Jesus down to earth to battle and defeat the anti Christ at the end of the Great tribulation period.

This is not the same as the rapture when we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

So why did Apostle Peter admonish believers to look forward to the day of the Lord whilst they were on earth?

2 Peter 3 v 10-12;
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.


Can you explain the bolded bits of verse 10 & 12?

1) If the day of the Lord will come like a thief, then…how does it connect with your understanding of what it means to be gathered unto Christ?

2) Also, is the day of the Lord which is “like a thief in the night” going to happen before the great tribulation, or after the great tribulation…going by Apostle Peter’s writing here hmmm?

3) If Christians aren’t going be around, why was he admonishing believers alive on earth to look forward to the day of the Lord?

OkCornel:


So why did Apostle Peter admonish believers to look forward to the day of the Lord whilst they were on earth?

2 Peter 3 v 10-12;
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.


Can you explain the bolded bits of verse 10 & 12?

1) If the day of the Lord will come like a thief, then…how does it connect with your understanding of what it means to be gathered unto Christ?

2) Also, is the day of the Lord which is “like a thief in the night” going to happen before the great tribulation, or after the great tribulation…going by Apostle Peter’s writing here hmmm?

3) If Christians aren’t going be around, why was he admonishing believers alive on earth to look forward to the day of the Lord?

John Darby ready did wrong in his pre tribulation rapture

Jokerman:


John Darby ready did wrong in his pre tribulation rapture

I tell you.

It’s sad a lot of people are still brainwashed with this pretribulation rapture doctrine Jesus or the Apostles never taught.

Ken4Christ:


It is a period the faithful saints in Christ will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. This phenomenon is what is referred to as the rapture of the church.

Apostle Paul described it in the passage below;

1st Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Verse 16 & 17 is the same thing in Matthew 24 v 29-31;

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Remember, on the day of the Lord (which Jesus said he’ll come like a thief), the sun shall be darkened. Matthew 24 v 29 clearly mentions this would be after the great tribulation all over the earth.

Also, verse 16 & 17 of 1st Thessalonians 4 speaks of the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 v 31.

Furthermore, Revelation 20 makes it absolutely clear that the first resurrection (which is for the saints) is after the great tribulation and Armageddon.

Y’all should quit deceiving people with this pretribulation rapture fraud. This is not what Jesus and the Apostles preached.

OkCornel:


I tell you.

It’s sad a lot of people are still brainwashed with this pretribulation rapture doctrine Jesus or the Apostles never taught.

My annoyance is they refused to learn or to study the scriptures themselves.

Jokerman:


My annoyance is they refused to learn or to study the scriptures themselves.

They prefer reading the Left Behind novel series which has also done a lot of damage.
It can never be well with false teachers fleecing the ignorant flock. Money! Money!! Money!!! the undoing of many

Just see how their definition of "left behind" is totally inconsistent with Jesus' definition of who's left behind in Matthew 24;

Those “left behind” are the righteous ones! The ones taken away are the sinners JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH!

Matthew 24 v 38 - 40;
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until THE FLOOD CAME AND "TOOK THEM" ALL AWAY. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
40 Two men will be in the field; one will "BE TAKEN" and the other left.

In their ignorance, the ones left behind are the sinners...whereas Jesus clearly mentioned the ones taken away in the days of Noah were the sinners. And he mentioned his second coming would be like the days of Noah.

People should read and use their God given brain to see the truth.

OkCornel:


Verse 16 & 17 is the same thing in Matthew 24 v 29-31;

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Remember, on the day of the Lord (which Jesus said he’ll come like a thief), the sun shall be darkened. Matthew 24 v 29 clearly mentions this would be after the great tribulation all over the earth.

Also, verse 16 & 17 of 1st Thessalonians 4 speaks of the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 v 31.

Furthermore, Revelation 20 makes it absolutely clear that the first resurrection (which is for the saints) is after the great tribulation and Armageddon.

Y’all should quit deceiving people with this pretribulation rapture fraud. This is not what Jesus and the Apostles preached.

The event of 1st Thessalonians and Matthew 24 is not the same.

1. In 1st Thessalonians, Jesus will not be seen visibly by the people of the earth. The saints will be caught up to meet him in the air. In Matthew 24, Jesus will be seen visibly.

2. There is no such thing as the sun turning black and the moon turning red in 1st Thessalonians.

3. 1st Thessalonians is the rapture of the church. Matthew 24 is the second coming of Christ and the rapture of the elect of the Jews which is 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7.

OkCornel:


So why did Apostle Peter admonish believers to look forward to the day of the Lord whilst they were on earth?

2 Peter 3 v 10-12;
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.


Can you explain the bolded bits of verse 10 & 12?

1) If the day of the Lord will come like a thief, then…how does it connect with your understanding of what it means to be gathered unto Christ?

2) Also, is the day of the Lord which is “like a thief in the night” going to happen before the great tribulation, or after the great tribulation…going by Apostle Peter’s writing here hmmm?

3) If Christians aren’t going be around, why was he admonishing believers alive on earth to look forward to the day of the Lord?

We look forward to it because we will still participate from heaven. We are the army that will follow Jesus down to earth for the battle.

Ken4Christ:


We look forward to it because we will still participate from heaven. We are the army that will follow Jesus down to earth for the battle.

Where did Apostle Paul or Peter mention believers will participate in the day of the Lord from heaven?

Ken4Christ:


The event of 1st Thessalonians and Matthew 24 is not the same.

1. In 1st Thessalonians, Jesus will not be seen visibly by the people of the earth. The saints will be caught up to meet him in the air. In Matthew 24, Jesus will be seen visibly.

2. There is no such thing as the sun turning black and the moon turning red in 1st Thessalonians.

3. 1st Thessalonians is the rapture of the church. Matthew 24 is the second coming of Christ and the rapture of the elect of the Jews which is 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7.

Someone clearly ignored the trumpet call in 1 Thessalonians and Matthew 24 which is eerily similar. Or the gathering of the elect/resurrection of the saints in both books.

The fraudulent pretribulation rapture doctrine sells the lie that believers (partakers of the first resurrection) would be resurrected before the great tribulation.

Whereas Revelation 20 v 1-4 clearly shows the resurrection of the saints would happen after the great tribulation/Armageddon.

Why all the lies and deceit for goodness sakes?

Anyways Jesus and Paul warned believers not to be deceived…so, certain false teachers gotta prove Jesus right after all.