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Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 5:07pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: If you don't want to be quoted on Nairaland, 1. Don't sign-ins 2. Don't comment on others Thread 3. And of course you can ignore. Make I ask sef, do you take permission before your ilks knock on Gates and Doors? Do you ask Permission before you hand people your awakes, Watch Towers? 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Kobojunkie: 5:08pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:1. I am quite certain that I am not the one missed on history here. 2. I am on to you. Whenever you are cornered you resort to tagging the other party as though as ignorant as you have been revealed to be in what you claim. * You made claims regarding two extra-biblical books in your attempt to refute that stated in the Book of Revelations but you have yet been able to answer any of the questions asked you of what is in fact written in them. * You also made claims regarding the early Christians and the 3 Beasts stated in Daniel, and when asked to provide backing for your claim, you run for the wind.... tell me, are you sure you are operating at full capacity up there at all? |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 5:43pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: If I am to be cornered it won't be you. Not in a hundred years. See, you go round in circle with your thoughtless itemization of your posers. For years before I became actively engaged on Nairaland, I know you. I know your comprehension issues. I know the rigmarole. The Book of Daniel was written some Seven Hundred Years before the book of Revelation was penned. The fact that the writer of Revelation draw so much from Daniel is obvious. When this was pointed out, you ignorantly claimed what was in Daniel find fulfillment during Paul or John or whoever wrote Revelation. Back it up with History you can't. I did, you claimed those were my interpretations. Daniel mentioned FOUR BEASTS. (4) Beasts here signifies Kingdoms. They are Babylon, Persian, Grecian and the Roman Empire. This is not me, it is what the owner of the Vision says. When Revelation was written (After Jesus ) Babylon is long gone for over 500-600 years but the Persian, Grecian and Roman Empire still stands. If you don't know that, then my Convo with you is useless for I have been engaging an ignoramus all along. Not only an ignoramus but a slowpoke too. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by sonmvayina(m): 6:22pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Ifeelnumb: Is something supposed to come out of it? History is for learning.... Nothing more.. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Kobojunkie: 7:37pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:1. The 4 beasts mentioned in Daniel 7, which are also the 4 elements of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel 2 represented the great empires from Daniel's time until the coming of the Kingdom of God in the time of John, the one who is suggested as the writer of the Book of Revelation. The Babylon empire ended in 539 B.C, followed by the Persian empire in 334 B.C.E, then the Grecian Empire in 146 B.C.E and lastly the Roman empire in 476 AD. Note that all 3 empires, except for the Roman empire had already fallen long before the Christians came into the picture. That is what history tells you of the 4 kingdoms, is it not? So where does this tale of yours that the Persian Empire, Greek Empire, and Roman Empire, all stood side by side when the Book of Revelations was written in about 96AD? 2. Well, I am at least glad you know how when engaging you and your ramblings which are neither here nor there. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:46pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: It's OK now i understand, you're not a man of your words! |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 5:39am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Surprise, suprpise! Nairaland Resident Babbler is suddenly short of words! 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 6:07am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You are waste of time. I know your comprehension skill is wack. From the tripe you posted as comeback too I can see that your sense of reasoning is wack too. I remember someone telling you he doesn't engage a demon on a thread some days ago. Let me try one more time. Daniel had his vision some 600 years before The Book of Revelation was written. At that time, Babylon already gone as a power and an Empire. Leaving Persia, Grecian and Roman Empire. In your moronic reply you claimed the Persian and Grecian Empire had already fallen when the Christians came into the picture. This is false. If I may ask, what signpost a fallen Empire? It Territories sacked, it Systems sacked, it's Religion sacked and many more as with Babylon at the hands of Persia. So, when was Perisan Territories sacked, their King dethroned, their Faith ended? When was the Grecian Territories sacked etc. I am not in any way surprised, Tortured interpretations like yours is why you have over 40,000 sects in your faith. Each swimming in its own delusions and delusional Doctrines. But regardless, the cold hard facts of history always put to shame such delusions. Go read some more perhaps the scale in your eyes will drop soon enough 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:26am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:What do you expect me to say? i don't just argue meaninglessly with people who can't even keep their own words! 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 7:35am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I can see that " keeping one own's word" is the new mantra. Lol Wo wa fe la No man is worthy of being called a man when he sees falsehood and keep silent. I know you like digging into past post, so go deeper, search my posts and bring me a post where I said I won't comment on any threads on Nairaland. Saying Christians should my their business as to do with the numbers of Thread Christians open on Islam and Muslims and not me saying I won't comment. So, Sir Babbler I am very much around ooo You can ignore, stop sign-ins but I won't stop my comments. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:58am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: I'm less concerned with whateever you're discussing with your fellow believers after all it has nothing to do with JWs what i'm saying is STOP QUOTING ME SINCE I DON'T MENTION YOU, YOUR ISLAM, ALLAH OR MUHAMMED! That's what you said nobody forced it out of your mouth, you and i have nothing in common so if i'm not talking to you please ignore me and continue with your kind! 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 8:04am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Slowly read the Topic of this Thread. Slowly. Done? It is about Babylon. Right? It would seem everyone has an opinion about them. They were not Jews, not Christians, not Muslims. But Jews talked about them, Christians talked about them, so Muslims too can talk about them. In talking about them, when me, a Muslim see a wrong notion being put forward about them, I can talk nah? Can't I? So, cut the crap and face your front and stop playing the victim. Your options? Ignore, don't sign-in. Do that and we will be cool ��� |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MrPRevailer(m): 8:08am On Oct 28, 2022 |
HantaVirus: Babylon the Great is Rome. America does not qualify as Babylon the Great. The Roman empire which were world power at that time killed millions of Christians to stop it's growth. They couldn't, so they made a counterfeit religion (RCC) to deceive believers thereby limiting the church's revival power. "And if Satan be divided against himself, his kingdom shall fall". The Roman Caesars murdered millions. They are responsible for the murder of almost the whole apostles including Paul. The Vatican Pope has remained the top 5 most powerful in the world. Even currently she is so powerful, the satanic U.N harkens other voice. The Vatican has created a One World Religion called Chrislam. Headquarters in Rome and Dubai. The Vatican is in full support of a One World Government and has masterminded the creation of One World Religion. The book of Revelation tells us the False Prophet will cause everyone to worship the Antichrist and take his mark. And those who refuse to be put to death. Who else is more powerful to fit this role but the Vatican Pope of The Vatican City. You should also research the Babylonian statue in Daniel's dream. The Iron leg is ROMAN EMPIRE. The feet was a mixture of iron and clay. Some say it's the RCC i.e the Vatican city working as a State and as a Church. Some say it's the Vatican mixing the seed of humans with Aliens (the Nephilims). Pope Francis has said if Aliens reveal themselves to the world, he will be the first to baptise them. And it will happen. The great deception of Matthew 24:24 is being rehearsed. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:28am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: Can you just stop quoting me since you and i have an agreement which you yourself drafted? You said you won't quote me again unless i mention Muslim, Islam or Muhammad my concern now is you coming to quote me when i never mentioned any of what we agreed upon. That's why i'm saying you're not a man of his own words! 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 8:31am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Dunce,you can ignore. Are you not that smart Mr. Ex-Intelligence Officer? Does the your "intelligence" left you when you leave the Service ni? Ignore. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:50am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: I have ignored you completely after the last encounter but quoting me again shows you lack consistency with your own words that's what i want you to know Mr Muslim! 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by cornelboy(f): 9:21am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:No one's holding back from commenting. But when someone tells you to that he's not interested in discussing with you and you keep pressuring him, is that not the beginning of madness? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 9:30am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:[ I don't think you read me clearly. I made you to understand that the Medes were the ones prophesied by Isaiah to conquer Babylon. You confirmed this at the bolded. Meaning the prophecy came to pass. Another prophecy that came to pass is the fact that Babylon can never rise again. That's stunning. This tells you something about the Bible. What is happening on that landscape where Babylon used to be is exactly as prophesied. Just check Google and compare with Isaiah's prophecy. The real Babylon was already gone even before the days of John. I don't know why you're fixated on the physical Babylon. John knew physical Babylon was none existent even in his days. So, we know clearly he was not talking about physical Babylon. Babylon in the Bible is used as symbolism for false religions and cultism. And there's a reason for that. Your research about the book of revelation is fruitless. This is a book that has been studied for thousands of years by people much more intelligent and knowledgeable than you. Your assertion is grossly erroneous. The whole Bible is asynchronous. All books explain themselves. Scriptures interpret scriptures. That's fact. The Book of Daniel provided prophecies from the fall of Babylon to the rise and fall of Persia, Greece and Rome. It then jumps to talk about an everlasting kingdom which would destroy all these empires. Majority of these prophecies are now histories. The future empire would come to pass as the other empires were all fulfilled. The Book of Revelation shed more lights on this empire as well as the physical and Spiritual events that would premise the materialization of this empire. Some of those events are already happening in our days, just as noted in the Book of Revelation. No one is more confused than anyone who reads that book upside down. The book of Revelation is a book of Prophecy too, just like the last parts of Daniel. So, they interwove, just as it interweaves with many parts of scripture. However, Revelation clarifies Daniel and gives us more understandings about some parts of Daniel that are not very detailed. I repeat to you that John the Revelator wasn't a confused man in any sense of the word. Those of us who understand his writings know this for sure. He has a few books to his credit in the Bible. He wrote the Gospel of John (at the instruction of other disciples, for he was Jesus' favourite disciple) and the 3 Epistles of John. All of them very powerful books. Read about his history in the anals. He was a very unusual man, even the Jews who hated Jesus respected John whom they often refer to as the Righteous man. Sixfiguresmart has been busy exposing a lot of ridiculous stuffs about your prophet. I'll rather advice you to study your books with scrutiny. Do not meddle in things that are higher than you. Each time you call John a confused man, you actually look like the one who's confused. 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:35am On Oct 28, 2022 |
cornelboy: I just want to starve him jàre! He loves chatting with JWs for meaningful conversation but at the same time he will become enraged when the discussion goes against his preferred religion. So i don't want to chat with him again even when he comes quoting me i will not give him the pleasure to enjoy any meaningful conversation with me. Let him go and meet his kind who loves arguing in support of their worthless religions! 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 9:48am On Oct 28, 2022 |
FxMasterz: Safe yourself the long Epistle! What you should bother your head is this' Daniel prophesied the Fall of Babylon at the hands of the Persian. It came to pass. He also said the Three others will suffer the same fate at the hand of a Kingdom of God So busy yourself with reaserch as to the end of the Persian, Grcian and Roman Empire If you find who ended or who will end those Empires, publish your findings. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 9:49am On Oct 28, 2022 |
cornelboy: The Dolt can as well ignore. Are you his sidekick? |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 9:51am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Dunce, if you ignore completely, I won't be reading this and won't be replying you |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:53am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: So now do we have a deal not to mention or quote each other again? |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 9:58am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: Wrong! He prophesied the fall of each empire at the hand of the next empire except Rome. He didn't Prophecy the end of Rome but pointed that an everlasting kingdom would come which would swallow up all these kingdoms. All those empires still exist in the world in the sense that their cultures, systems and even religions live on after them. That's what the everlasting kingdom will destroy. Each kingdom was prophesied to be destroyed by some other physical kingdom. Go back and re-read. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 9:59am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I can see that one of ytiur sidekick has come to your rescue. Lol No deal. If I mention you be intelligent enough not to reply. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 10:03am On Oct 28, 2022 |
FxMasterz: The only Empire that was prophesied to fall at the hands of the Four mentioned Empires was Babylon. You guy will just type rubbish on Public forum. Persia took out Babylon as Daniel says. The other by a certain Kingdom of God. Then Oga, tell us the Kingdom that fell Persia and Greecian. Tell us the Physical kingdom that fell Persia and Grecian empires. I will wait..... |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:07am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: Lukuluku69: It's OK. I just want to confirm and it's clear now that you're not a man of your own words! |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by cornelboy(f): 11:34am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Why can't you ignore when he said he's not interested. He's respecting you by telling you he's not interested. If he should ignore you, that would mean "silence is the best answer for a fool". 1 Like |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 12:41pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69: You guys' ignorance is top notch. And it's so appalling that you keep consoling yourselves on the premise of false knowledge. Daniel prophesied all the kings that would rise in Persia, including their characteristics. How Persia would be conquer by Greece. How Alexander would die and his 4 generals would take over his kingdom instead of his sons. How Rome would eventually conquer Greece, and then an eternal kingdom of God would replace all those kingdoms. He prophesied a whole 375 yrs of history with stunning accuracy! Read from Daniel 11. Read from these links: 1. Daniel's Prophecy on the fall of Persia https://www.google.com/amp/s/enduringword.com/bible-commentary/daniel-11/amp/ 2. Fall of Greece https://bible.org/seriespage/7-kingdom-greece There's a way you people read that one would wonder whether there's something blocking your understanding of things.
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Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by mjuvey3: 3:00pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Interesting topic. To identify Babylon The Great,Let's look at some of her features. * She is an international entity with worldwide dominion. * She is very rich. * She rides the seven headed beast meaning she controls world empires. * She makes the important people of the world wealthy by her riches. * She is drunk with the blood of The Apostles & Prophets meaning she kills a lot. * She practices or is false religion herself...She misled and corrupted the world with her spiritism,idolatry and magic spells. * She has to be a coastal area with a massive sea trading route. * She will be hated and destroyed by the beast she rides. Who/what could Babylon the Great be? Babylon ( In present day Iraq) ? Rome? The Catholic church? America? Jerusalem? False religion? The illuminati? I'm just curious. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 10:45pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
FxMasterz: Mugu, conquered doesn't mean fallen. After Alexander Match from Europe to Asia, Persia made a comeback. And if you insist that it was Alexander of Macedon that fell Persia you are nullifying Daniel Vision and Prophecy. For it was written that Persia will fall to a Kingdom set up by God. So if I may ask, what God did Alexander of Macedon worshipped? If you read history properly and not the snippets that Wiki feeds you with, you will discover that Persia stood a good 700-800 years after Alexander match. Again one slowpoke said the events of Daniel was repeated in Revelation to show Christians being in the picture, were Christians around when Alexander matched? The issue with you lots is that you don't see beyond your nose. Persia as an Empire was ended by the Muslim Arabs. When the Muslims Arabs came in contact with Persia, they lost their Kingship till date ( it stood for over a thousand years) they lost their Faith, they lost their Territories, they lost their Fire Temples in fact they lost everything but the the Islamic Faith. If you care to read Daniel Chapter 7. This was exactly what it says. It shall be consumed. Please read up. As for Greece, you claimed Greece conquered Persia. Lol. You must have watched 300 right? That was a Propaganda film. Read real history. Grecian Empire has it Capital at Constantinople, the Muslim Turkmen sacked and made the whole Land Muslim and rename it to Istanbul ( City of Islam) As for the remain Empire Rome, it is only marking Time.... How God will do it, we don't know but He will do it Dey their dey grapple with false interpretations. |
Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 10:50pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
FxMasterz: Another thing you must note is this: 1. The Vision of Daniel stands on its own merit. 2. When the Dolts that copied it did in Revelation did, Persia, Greece has been conquered according to the dates you posted. So the question is why repeat a Prophecy that has been fulfilled? Don't you think the Writer did not see the fulfilment yet hence the need to repeat the Prophecy? |
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