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Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 10:53pm On Oct 28, 2022

cornelboy:

Why can't you ignore when he said he's not interested.

He's respecting you by telling you he's not interested. If he should ignore you, that would mean "silence is the best answer for a fool".

Mr. Sidekick, if he is not interested, he could have ignore the mention nah don't you think? Or thinking is alien to you too?

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 10:56pm On Oct 28, 2022

MaxInDHouse:

It's OK.

I just want to confirm and it's clear now that you're not a man of your own words!

Be intelligent not to reply.

This is a Public Forum. I can mention anyone at any time. When you put up opinions out there, be ready to hear counter opinions.

This is simple enough.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by cornelboy(f): 10:58pm On Oct 28, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Mr. Sidekick, if he is not interested, he could have ignore the mention nah don't you think? Or thinking is alien to you too?

Okay your interested Abi, that's why you keep wanting him to discuss with you.

Normally, you are the one to stop quoting him since he said he's not interested.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 11:00pm On Oct 28, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Another thing you must note is this:

1. The Vision of Daniel stands on its own merit.

2. When the Dolts that copied it did in Revelation did, Persia, Greece has been conquered according to the dates you posted. So the question is why repeat a Prophecy that has been fulfilled? Don't you think the Writer did not see the fulfilment yet hence the need to repeat the Prophecy?

The book of Revelation only talked about Babylon and Mystery Babylon in figurative terms. Nothing was said about Persia or Greece. I don't think you even read the book as claimed. Revelation also included prophecies into the future of Rome which are not included in the book of Daniel.

There's no repeatition whatsoever. The book of Revelation stands alone on its own merit too. The prophecies there only concerned the church of Christ in all ages in relation to world events.

Daniel's focus was Israel and the world. The focus of Revelation was the church and the world.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 11:01pm On Oct 28, 2022

cornelboy:

Okay your interested Abi, that's why you keep wanting him to discuss with you.

Normally, you are the one to stop quoting him since he said he's not interested.

Oga is your name Benjamin? You dey be o.

I am sure you can read, and the one you are Master is very good at going into past post. Me and that Dunce go way back when his Moniker was still Maximus69.

So, I would say you are barging in.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by cornelboy(f): 11:06pm On Oct 28, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Oga is your name Benjamin? You dey be o.
I am sure you can read, and the one you are Master is very good at going into past post. Me and that Dunce go way back when his Moniker was still Maximus69.
So, I would say you are barging in.

I'm sure you eyes are functioning properly and you can read too.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 11:08pm On Oct 28, 2022

FxMasterz:

The book of Revelation only talked about Babylon and Mystery Babylon in figurative terms. Nothing was said about Persia or Greece. I don't think you even read the book as claimed. Revelation also included prophecies into the future of Rome which are not included in the book of Daniel.

There's no repeatition whatsoever. The book of Revelation stands alone on its own merit too. The prophecies there only concerned the church of Christ in all ages in relation to world events.

Daniel's focus was Israel and the world. The focus of Revelation was the church and the world.

If Daniel focus was Israel and the world then I guess I am from Pluto?

Daniel mentioned Persia, he mentioned Greece, and he mentioned Rome ( if not in name at least the description he gave was why you and I were able to zeroed in on them). Daniel was Jewish, these three Empires were not at any time in their history.

Daniel Prophecy is never in doubt, it stands on its own merit but the writer of Revelation obviously played around the central theme of Daniel's work. That is my point.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 11:11pm On Oct 28, 2022

cornelboy:

I'm sure you eyes are functioning properly and you can read too.

Of cos I can read. And as you can see that the mentioning is flowing. The moment I want it to stop, I will ignore. That's is the way to take care of unwanted mentions.

So tell your master Mr. sidekick cheesy

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Kobojunkie: 11:13pm On Oct 28, 2022

Lukuluku69:
If Daniel focus was Israel and the world then I guess I am from Pluto?

Daniel mentioned Persia, he mentioned Greece, and he mentioned Rome ( if not in name at least the description he gave was why you and I were able to zeroed in on them). Daniel was Jewish, these three Empires were not at any time in their history.

Daniel Prophecy is never in doubt, it stands on its own merit but the writer of Revelation obviously played around the central theme of Daniel's work. That is my point.

There were other empires in the world at that same point in history but all 4 of those mentioned by Daniel happened to be powers that reigned over the land of Israel during the time in question. And all the powers they wielded over the land of Israel ended in the very same sequence predicted by Daniel. So for you to, after insisting history as evidence, now backtrack to insist instead that your mental delusion should inform the discuss instead speaks volumes . undecided

The writer of Revelation did not play around with the predictions of Daniel, as you claim. Anyone with eyes to read and comprehend will instead see that Revelations adds evidence to the claims made by Daniel as many of what Daniel prophesied, even regarding the Son of Man and God's Holy people came to pass at the time Book of Revelations was written. undecided

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 11:16pm On Oct 28, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Mugu, conquered doesn't mean fallen. After Alexander Match from Europe to Asia, Persia made a comeback. And if you insist that it was Alexander of Macedon that fell Persia you are nullifying Daniel Vision and Prophecy. For it was written that Persia will fall to a Kingdom set up by God.

So if I may ask, what God did Alexander of Macedon worshipped?

If you read history properly and not the snippets that Wiki feeds you with, you will discover that Persia stood a good 700-800 years after Alexander match. Again one slowpoke said the events of Daniel was repeated in Revelation to show Christians being in the picture, were Christians around when Alexander matched?

The issue with you lots is that you don't see beyond your nose.

Persia as an Empire was ended by the Muslim Arabs. When the Muslims Arabs came in contact with Persia, they lost their Kingship till date ( it stood for over a thousand years) they lost their Faith, they lost their Territories, they lost their Fire Temples in fact they lost everything but the the Islamic Faith. If you care to read Daniel Chapter 7. This was exactly what it says. It shall be consumed. Please read up.

As for Greece, you claimed Greece conquered Persia. Lol. You must have watched 300 right? That was a Propaganda film. Read real history.

Grecian Empire has it Capital at Constantinople, the Muslim Turkmen sacked and made the whole Land Muslim and rename it to Istanbul ( City of Islam)

As for the remain Empire Rome, it is only marking Time.... How God will do it, we don't know but He will do it

Dey their dey grapple with false interpretations.

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 11:31pm On Oct 28, 2022

Lukuluku69:

If Daniel focus was Israel and the world then I guess I am from Pluto?

Daniel mentioned Persia, he mentioned Greece, and he mentioned Rome ( if not in name at least the description he gave was why you and I were able to zeroed in on them). Daniel was Jewish, these three Empires were not at any time in their history.

Daniel Prophecy is never in doubt, it stands on its own merit but the writer of Revelation obviously played around the central theme of Daniel's work. That is my point.

The writer of Revelation didn't talk about Daniels Babylon, okay? He didn't talk about Daniel's Persia or Greece too. He only talked about Rome in figurative terms. He deliberately used symbols because he knew the book could get into the wrong hands. The Christians at the time were severely being persecuted. It was dangerous to even claim to be a Christian, talk more of writing a Christian book. Oh, tell me how easy it is to write such lenghty stuff on an island where one had been banished to starve to death. What do you think he stood to gain?

He wrote the by an instruction to write. He wrote what he saw and introduced it in the first chapter - The things which he saw, the things which are and the things which must shortly come to pass.

Now, since you claim John stole from Daniel to write Revelation, draw the parallel between those books and tell us when exactly the writer of Revelation copied from Daniel, verse by verse. Let's see the strength of your argument.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 11:40pm On Oct 28, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

Where do I start? Let us start with the book of Daniel Chapter 7.

My next post will do that.

You see, in war/s there are battles or series of battle/s, you can lose a battle or series of battles yet win the war.

Alexander surely defeat the Persian but they did make a comeback. As a matter of fact, after the Alexander episode, their Empire as World power was still felt for another 600 years or more. Or what would you say of a Power that fought the Romans undeated for 700 years?

And I did not say Persia was destroyed. What I said was that it will be CONSUMED. It is a real shame that most Christians don't know about others history apart from that of the Israelites.

Do you know the present location of Persia today? It is Iran. They are 97% Muslims. The Land became Muslims over 1,400 years ago and they are still Muslims as we speak.

It was the Arabs Muslims that made that happened. They lost the Zoroastrian Faith, lost their Fire Temples, lost the Kingdom, gained a new Faith. That is what is meant by being Consumed by Daniel. Remember this same Perians came to the crib of babe Jesus in the Three wise men. Read about other Civilization, Cultures, it edifies you.

As for Greece, it was the Muslim Turkmen that ended the Grecian stay in Constantinople: a city built by Emperor Constantine! Now being the sit of Muslims. That is the end of an Empire.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Kobojunkie: 12:10am On Oct 29, 2022

OgaNightmare:
Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

ROFLMAO

Babylon the great is a reference to the religious establishment of the time in Jerusalem, a false religion which Jesus Christ revealed will be judged for the death of all the righteous beginning from Abel. Jesus Christ explained in His Gospel the end to come for Jerusalem, to take place in that same time. John's in his Revelation took to referring to the religious body housed in the city of Jerusalem as Babylon the great but the details of her remain the same as that revealed by other prophets including Jesus Christ. undecided

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 1:09am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
-- Daniel 7:1-5
1. Four Beasts

2. First like a Lion and Eagle wing ( Babylon)

3. Made to stand upon the feet as a man and a man's heart given to it : This signifies the acceptance of Nebuchadnezzar acceptance that The God of Israel is the True God. Read Read Daniel Chapter 2: 47: The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
-- Daniel 2:47
4. Then another Beast. Has three ribs in its mouth signifies the beast power of three continent of the world namely Europe, Asia and Africa. That is how the influence and power of Persia straddling three continents.

Note that they are called "Beasts" which means they govern and direct their affairs with Men Laws and Codes rather than the Divine Laws.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 1:11am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
-- Daniel 7:6-8
5. Another like a Leopard, the beast had four heads which signifies the division of the Kingdom into four after Alexander the great passed on. His General couldn't not agree who the new Emperor should be as such it was divided into four. ( Grecian)

6. A fourth Beast ( The Romans) it is diverse and more powerful than the other three beasts. It had Ten Horns which signifies the Ten Roman Emperors right up to Emperor Constantine who is the little horn that came out of the Ten Horns. This little horn pluck up three other horns. That was Emperor Constantine killing three other pretenders to the Emperor's Throne.

This horn (Constantine) had eyes likes that of man and a mouth speaking great things. You will recall that it was Constantine that made Christianity the state Religion, it was him that convoke the Nicene Meeting where Jesus and the holy spirit were proclaimed coevals with God Almighty. Mouth speaking great things is the blasphemy that the conference Constantine convoke. Read up on the Nicene Creed

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 2:10am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
-- Daniel 7:9-12
7. After Daniel gave us a picturesque of what he saw in heaven, he resumed and informed us the horn that spake great words, the beast will be slain and his body given to the flames meaning that the Roman Empire too will fall in due course.

8. While the other Beasts had their dominion taken away, the lives of the Empire will be prolonged for season and time.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 2:12am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
-- Daniel 7:13-17

9. Daniel informed us that "one like the son of man" came with the clouds of the heavens. ( To understand properly what is meant by son of man please download the Book of Enoch and read)

10. This son of man was given Dominion, Glory and A KINGDOM. All people, Nations and languages will serve him and his Dominion is an everlasting one and it shall not be destroyed.

11. So, Daniel approached one of the Angels and asked him the truth about what he saw and the Angel told him: the four Beasts are Kingdom/Kings that will rise on earth.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 2:14am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
-- Daniel 7:18-22
12. The "Saints" of The Most High will eventually posses these Kingdoms.

13. Then the Fourth beast ( Roman) Ten Horns, little horns and three little horns that fell are the Emperors. The one that had eyes was the one that proclaimed Christianity as the state Religion, convoked a conference where God was proclaimed as same as someone who was sent as a messenger ( Mouth speaking great words/blasphemy)

13. He made war. With whom? With Arian and his followers. Read about Bishop Arian to understand this point.
14. Judgement has been given, it is only a matter of time before Rome fall to the hands of the Saints. Persia fell, Grecian empires fell too.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 2:16am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
-- Daniel 7:23-26

To understand this better, read the story of Emperor Constantine.

He convoked the Nicene conference.

He was the one that Decree Sunday as the Lord's Day as different from The Sabbath, He replaced the Divine Laws with Roman Laws/Codes.

Just like the prophecy says, he shall great words against the most high and think to change time and Laws. It shall be given into his hands meaning he shall succeed until " a time and times and dividing of time! A time is a hundred years. So a time and time and dividing of time is 250 years. The exact time from when he convoke his conference to the Time the Arabian Prophet begin his Mission!

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 2:28am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
-- Daniel 7:22,27

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 2:39am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:
I

First, share that verse where Daniel said the kingdom set up by God would fall Persia!

Then, also tell me, whether the fall of a kingdom means the kingdom no longer exists. I hate discussions with unintelligent folks.

When a kingdom falls, it only means, it's no longer in power. It does not mean it was destroyed.

The only kingdom that was destroyed was Babylon. The others remained standing but were no longer world powers. That was exactly what Daniel Prophesied.

Hahaha, which Muslim Arab fell Persia? You mean Mohammed took his jihad to Persia or what? Tell us how it happened with dates. Let's see how far you can go.

The Muslim Arabs were the one that ended Persia has a Power. Just so you know, some Nine years after The Arabian Prophet mission started, the Persians and the Romans were still fighting. They have fought for 700 years continuously. Same for the Greeks. The trio has been on each other case.

That stopped when the Companions of the Arabian Prophet under the Khalifa of Umar Ibn Khattab sent emissaries to Persia for them to embrace Islam and leave Fire worship, they were spurned and a war ensued. The Arabs with 30,000 men took out the Persian Army of 180,000 in three days.

They lost everything but gained Islam. In Persia no more fire worship, no more kingship. Till date they are still Muslims.

This is not surprising to the Wise among them for it is foretold in their Scripture that that would be the fate of Persia.

Do you remember the Three Wise Men at Jesus crib? They were looking for a Reformer that was foretold in their Scripture. They did not see it in Jesus. They gave gift as it was in Eastern culture and left and had to wait for the Reformer in the Faith of the Arabian Prophet.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 6:08am On Oct 29, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
-- Daniel 7:22,27

Tell me where it mentioned Persia. Tell me how the Kingdom of God destroyed Persia in this verse.

This verse is the prophecy for the end of all things. The fulfilment of this prophecy marks the end of the world. Not the end of any kingdom.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 6:19am On Oct 29, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
-- Daniel 7:23-26

To understand this better, read the story of Emperor Constantine.

He convoked the Nicene conference.

He was the one that Decree Sunday as the Lord's Day as different from The Sabbath, He replaced the Divine Laws with Roman Laws/Codes.

Just like the prophecy says, he shall great words against the most high and think to change time and Laws. It shall be given into his hands meaning he shall succeed until " a time and times and dividing of time! A time is a hundred years. So a time and time and dividing of time is 250 years. The exact time from when he convoke his conference to the Time the Arabian Prophet begin his Mission!

Hahaha.

This verse is the prophecy concerning the Antichrist already foreshadowed by Antiochus Epiphanes. A time is one year. A time, and times, and the dividing of time is 3.5yrs. This is consistent in all Scripture. These Muslims are something else o. You guys would even turn the Bible upside down in order to force Mohammed into it.

The Antichrist would reign for 7yrs, and the last 3.5yrs of his reign shall be a reign of terror.

Tell me how this scripture relates to Mohammed's invasion of Persia. Hahahaha!

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 6:32am On Oct 29, 2022

Lukuluku69:

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
-- Daniel 7:18-22
12. The "Saints" of The Most High will eventually posses these Kingdoms.

13. Then the Fourth beast ( Roman) Ten Horns, little horns and three little horns that fell are the Emperors. The one that had eyes was the one that proclaimed Christianity as the state Religion, convoked a conference where God was proclaimed as same as someone who was sent as a messenger ( Mouth speaking great words/blasphemy)

13. He made war. With whom? With Arian and his followers. Read about Bishop Arian to understand this point.
14. Judgement has been given, it is only a matter of time before Rome fall to the hands of the Saints. Persia fell, Grecian empires fell too.

The bolded above shows you're confused. You previously said Persia and Greece never tell, now, you're saying they fell. Hahahaha.

This scripture you quoted is the end of the end. It has not been fulfilled at all. It would be fulfilled by the Antichrist. Events preceding the fulfilment of this prophecy is the recovery of Jerusalem by the Jews (partly fulfilled in our days). The rebuilding of the temple. Once the temple is rebuilt, the stage is set for the emergence of the Antichrist. The Antichrist would enter into an agreement with Israel, break the agreement after 3.5yrs. Wage war against the Jews and Christians in the last 3.5yrs of his reign. Then, the end shall come. Everything about this Prophecy is clear in the book of Daniel. The book of Revelation sheds more lights on these events.

Hahaha. They even mis-teach you the Bible to force Mohammed into biblical Prophecies. When something doesn't suit them, they'll tell you the Bible has been corrupted. Liars!

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 6:37am On Oct 29, 2022

Lukuluku69:

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
-- Daniel 7:1-5
1. Four Beasts

2. First like a Lion and Eagle wing ( Babylon)

3. Made to stand upon the feet as a man and a man's heart given to it : This signifies the acceptance of Nebuchadnezzar acceptance that The God of Israel is the True God. Read Read Daniel Chapter 2: 47: The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
-- Daniel 2:47
4. Then another Beast. Has three ribs in its mouth signifies the beast power of three continent of the world namely Europe, Asia and Africa. That is how the influence and power of Persia straddling three continents.

Note that they are called "Beasts" which means they govern and direct their affairs with Men Laws and Codes rather than the Divine Laws.

Mtcheww. So what are you insinuating? In what way does this relate to Mohammed?

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 6:43am On Oct 29, 2022

Lukuluku69:

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
-- Daniel 7:13-17

9. Daniel informed us that "one like the son of man" came with the clouds of the heavens. ( To understand properly what is meant by son of man please download the Book of Enoch and read)

10. This son of man was given Dominion, Glory and A KINGDOM. All people, Nations and languages will serve him and his Dominion is an everlasting one and it shall not be destroyed.

11. So, Daniel approached one of the Angels and asked him the truth about what he saw and the Angel told him: the four Beasts are Kingdom/Kings that will rise on earth.

Every human being could be referred to as the son of man in the Bible. You don't need to go as far as the book of Enoch. The book of Ezekiel used that phrase very frequently. To understand who the son of man is, read the gospels.

This prophecy signifies the events leading to the beginning of a new heaven and a new earth prophesied in Revelation 20.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by FxMasterz: 6:56am On Oct 29, 2022

Lukuluku69:

Where do I start? Let us start with the book of Daniel Chapter 7.

My next post will do that.

You see, in war/s there are battles or series of battle/s, you can lose a battle or series of battles yet win the war.

Alexander surely defeat the Persian but they did make a comeback. As a matter of fact, after the Alexander episode, their Empire as World power was still felt for another 600 years or more. Or what would you say of a Power that fought the Romans undeated for 700 years?

And I did not say Persia was destroyed. What I said was that it will be CONSUMED. It is a real shame that most Christians don't know about others history apart from that of the Israelites.

Do you know the present location of Persia today? It is Iran. They are 97% Muslims. The Land became Muslims over 1,400 years ago and they are still Muslims as we speak.

It was the Arabs Muslims that made that happened. They lost the Zoroastrian Faith, lost their Fire Temples, lost the Kingdom, gained a new Faith. That is what is meant by being Consumed by Daniel. Remember this same Perians came to the crib of babe Jesus in the Three wise men. Read about other Civilization, Cultures, it edifies you.

As for Greece, it was the Muslim Turkmen that ended the Grecian stay in Constantinople: a city built by Emperor Constantine! Now being the sit of Muslims. That is the end of an Empire.

You're not telling anyone what he doesn't know. It's a shame to you lots to think that you alone read history while Christians read only the history of Israel. Is that the lie they told you? What makes you come out confidently to force your Islam into the Bible?

The Bible never said Persia shall be consumed. It didn't mention Persia specifically, but rather 'all these kingdoms'. You now deceitfully narrowed it down to Persia because Islam has taken over Persia? What about Rome and Greece? Was it Islam that consumed Babylon too?

This Prophecy concerns the end of time when God would fold up all the kingdoms of this world to fulfil His grand scheme of a new heaven and a new earth.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 7:02am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:

You're not telling anyone what he doesn't know. It's a shame to you lots to think that you alone read history while Christians read only the history of Israel. Is that the lie they told you? What makes you come out confidently to force your Islam into the Bible?

The Bible never said Persia shall be consumed. It didn't mention Persia specifically, but rather 'all these kingdoms'. You now deceitfully narrowed it down to Persia because Islam has taken over Persia? What about Rome and Greece? Was it Islam that consumed Babylon too?

This Prophecy concerns the end of time when God would fold up all the kingdoms of this world to fulfil His grand scheme of a new heaven and a new earth.

Islam took over Constantinople too. The seat of Grecian Empire. Rename it and are still occupying it till date. All it beautiful cathedral converted into Mosques. The fabled Seven Churches in Asia all gone.

Or did I just narrowed down to Persia alone too?

Lol. If this Prophecy is for end time like you said, so, God did not show Daniel the British Empire? It has more Territory and citizens than The Roman Empire and more influence. What of Russia, China?

The problem with you lots is that you see everything from the needled eye view of your misinformed clergies alone.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 7:15am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:

Every human being could be referred to as the son of man in the Bible. You don't need to go as far as the book of Enoch. The book of Ezekiel used that phrase very frequently. To understand who the son of man is, read the gospels.

This prophecy signifies the events leading to the beginning of a new heaven and a new earth prophesied in Revelation 20.

Well I read the Bible and not every human being was refered to as the son of man. Show me us where that phrase was used for every Tom, Dick and Harry as you cliamed. In the Gospel, the term was used for your Jesus by the dolts who wrote the stories. It was never meant for him. They dressed him in borrowed garb the more reason you guys are forever waiting and kept shifting events to the future and the future forever.

Like I said, read the Book of Enoch it will throw more light on who the son of man is.

You will also read in Daniel where it says " who like the so of man , on the cloud of heaven was brought" that was the Arabian Prophet on his Night Journey to the heavens.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 7:26am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:

The bolded above shows you're confused. You previously said Persia and Greece never tell, now, you're saying they fell. Hahahaha.

This scripture you quoted is the end of the end. It has not been fulfilled at all. It would be fulfilled by the Antichrist. Events preceding the fulfilment of this prophecy is the recovery of Jerusalem by the Jews (partly fulfilled in our days). The rebuilding of the temple. Once the temple is rebuilt, the stage is set for the emergence of the Antichrist. The Antichrist would enter into an agreement with Israel, break the agreement after 3.5yrs. Wage war against the Jews and Christians in the last 3.5yrs of his reign. Then, the end shall come. Everything about this Prophecy is clear in the book of Daniel. The book of Revelation sheds more lights on these events.

Hahaha. They even mis-teach you the Bible to force Mohammed into biblical Prophecies. When something doesn't suit them, they'll tell you the Bible has been corrupted. Liars!

You are not following at all or are you kobojunkie in disguise?

When the writer of Revelation did a copy and paste, The Perisan and Grecian Empire was still standing but they fell later at the hands of the Muslims.

I quoted only Daniel and unlike the JW people I did not just quote one verse, I referenced the whole of Daniel 7.

Keep shouting in the end in the end.

As according to those serving you your own tripe, the Antichrist will enter into an agreement with Israel break the agreement after 3.5 years, wage war on Jews(sic) and Christians and the end shall come? So no more Rapture? Sebi Rapture will sometime take you ignorant and straying christians, so which Christians will the Antichrist be waging war on?

Walahi the Christian Faith is truly for the Delusional and blind ignorant folks.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 7:37am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:

Hahaha.

This verse is the prophecy concerning the Antichrist already foreshadowed by Antiochus Epiphanes. A time is one year. A time, and times, and the dividing of time is 3.5yrs. This is consistent in all Scripture. These Muslims are something else o. You guys would even turn the Bible upside down in order to force Mohammed into it.

The Antichrist would reign for 7yrs, and the last 3.5yrs of his reign shall be a reign of terror.

Tell me how this scripture relates to Mohammed's invasion of Persia. Hahahaha!

The malady with the Christian mind is mind boggling. Everything the future, the future when you give them scripture fulfilment backed with the cold hard facts of history, they will still bkeat the future. You guys are in perpetual trance of the future.

When we say you don't know the content of what you have been carrying, you will hurl abuses in someone's ways

For your info The Arabian Propeht was eminently mentioned in your Bible. If you will remove the scales in your eyes, I can show. But first you have to be like a child, unlearn all the tripes you have been fed with and we can walk this road together. Right from Father Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and all the Israelites minor Prophets talked about him.

You can't see him under your jaundiced view. I don't blame you and I will blame you. I don't blame you because of the Lying Pens of the Jewish scribes who have corrupted many of the prophecies and I will blame you for still remaining blind after you have been shown but still want to remain blind.

Re: Babylon The Great Is Jerusalem,not America by Lukuluku69(m): 7:46am On Oct 29, 2022

FxMasterz:

Tell me where it mentioned Persia. Tell me how the Kingdom of God destroyed Persia in this verse.

This verse is the prophecy for the end of all things. The fulfilment of this prophecy marks the end of the world. Not the end of any kingdom.

In the vision of Daniel, was Persia, Greece and Rome mentioned by name? Yet you claimed it refers to them.

I hope you know how Prophecy works?

Prophecy are word pictures of future events, it describes; usually in prose, names are usually not given but description of places, people or concerned characters are usually given. It is only when it come to pass that you can say " this/that was the fulfilment of such and such prophecy.

So asking me to show you where Persia was Mentioned is a moronic statement. Was your Antichrist that you claimed was foreshadowed in one of your comments mentioned in Daniel? Was the Antichrist mentioned? Why then are you reading those names into it? Because you deduce and I tell you that your deduction is wrong and fell short and flat.

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