Maynman:


Then stop lying and saying “ references to hundreds of verifiable Jewish and Roman figures which cannot be disputed.”

This is what you base your life on, Eusebius will be proud

HisSplendor:


You're the one who's to stop lying. If the references are not in the Bible wouldn't I then be justifiably called a liar? Prove me wrong first. Say the references mentioned are not in the Bible.

Maynman:


Jesus is a latin name gotten from iesus.
Early church fathers had to remove i and replace with j.

HisSplendor:


Thank you man.

Maynman:


Bible is not a history book, you can’t use it as reference.
If this people are in history, you mean no other book mentioned them except a forged and edited book?

Maynman:


Exactly, praise Iesus chrestus

HisSplendor:



Only an ignorant person will say no other book mentioned the names I listed previously.

I don't have time for unprofitable talk.

Thanks for your time.

HisSplendor:


Satisfied?

Thanks for your time.

HisSplendor:
You're the one who made a claim about Constantine, so prove it.

HisSplendor:
Remember where you took off from? You attacker my comment that Christianity was not created by anyone. Unbelievers mockingly called the disciples of Christ Christians first in Antioch. That's my point. So, prove me wrong.

Maynman:


Only an indoctrinated illiterate will use bible as a reference book.

Which century were they mentioned and in relation to the story in the book?
What was their work in relation to the story in your book?

HisSplendor:


Please stop disturbing my space with unprofitable talks.

Did I ever tell you to use the Bible as a reference?

Please let me be, okay?

NNTR:
Nothing here to prove, when the information is in public domain

Details
- Ekklesia was formed in AD (i.e. after the death of Jesus Christ)
- 313 AD was the year when the proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire
- Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire
- Church started evolving during the reign of Constantine and took hold more during King Henry VIII monarchy,
then King James' official order forbidding replacing the Greek word 'ekklesia' with 'congregation' (i.e. the true interpretation) was the final nail to the 'ekklesia' coffin.

• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313, established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC)
• Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as 'official' church during Constantine's reign
• Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
• The term 'Roman Catholic' defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the 'religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter'
as 'Roman Catholic Christians' and gave them the official sanction of the empire

Dont take correcting you personal nor make out that the correction is an attack

You had no point, your imagined point is due to being ignorant of the facts

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

HisSplendor:
Man, this is a comprehension issue.

HisSplendor:
The pagan was talking about Romans creating Christianity. You objected and now you're proving your objection by quoting facts relating to legalization.

HisSplendor:
Don't you know the difference between the creation of a thing and the legalization of that thing?

NNTR:
Comprehension issue is exactly what you are suffering from

AntiChristian, is right that Jesus didn't create Christianity nor any Christian denomination. Also is right when he further said that its humans who create the various forms of it.

Emperor Constantine, in an opportunistic manner took hold of Christianity by the scruff of its neck and commandeered it

Who created Christianity then?
Was it human beings who created Christianity or it was animals who created Christianity?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

HisSplendor:


I used to think you're a Christian. Your opening paragraph exposes you.

AntiChristian:


But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8

Stop telling lies!

HisSplendor:


I don't have your time this morning. Who doesn't know you on this forum as an unrepentant liar.

I saw your post again this morning. You reposted an argument from the book of Jeremiah where you alleged God lied meanwhile, severally on this forum, you've been exposed as the liar who quoted what Jeremiah taught against what really happened.

A religion that promotes Taqquiyya isn't a lying religion? Tell us more.

AntiChristian:


Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

I didn't say God lied! I said deceived!

You lied again!

Hello Fire straight!

HisSplendor:


A liar you are because you know the truth about that verse. You've been referenced many times on this forum for this verse.

Should I also start posting about Mohammed commanding his follower to sleep with a dead woman in her grave after you clarified that verse to me? I won't do that lest I become a liar like you.

AntiChristian:


Correct the verse first!

HisSplendor:
No bro. Christianity was not created by anyone.

HisSplendor:
I used to think you're a Christian. Your opening paragraph exposes you.

You're talking off point.

Asking me who created Christianity? Did I ever tell you someone did? Comprehension is the issue as I said.

NNTR:

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2 Timothy 2:15
'Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved,
a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed,
accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.'

Your bruised ego, pride and comprehension issues, wouldnt allow to admit, you typed that Christianity was not created by anyone, when history informs us, that Christianity, as we've come to know it, is a Roman invention.

The biblical times believers, addressed, greeted, called and referred each other or themselves as disciples (i.e. Acts 1:15), as saints (i.e. Acts 9:13, 1 Corinthians 1:2), as believers (i.e. Acts 5:14, Romans 1:16; Acts 10:45, 1 Timothy 6:2), as brothers (i.e. Acts 6:3, James 2:15), as witnesses (i.e. Acts 5:32), as followers of the Way (i.e. Acts 9:2, Acts 24:14, 22) and even as Nazarenes (i.e. Acts 24:5).

I am yet to read in the bible, even any bible versions, if to widen the net, about any of the disciples outrightly greeting, saluting, calling each other with the profane word, christian.

You made an unguarded, careless and reckless remark (i.e. No bro. Christianity was not created by anyone), and I've no apologia for correcting you and correctly explaining the word of truth, especially if 2 Timothy 2:15 advices us, to do our best to present ourselves to God as one approved, as workers who does not need to be ashamed and who rightly divides the word of truth, correctly handles the word of truth, who properly makes known the word of truth without deviation.

The gospel is about having and enjoying a meaningful and richly relationship with God. It has nothing to do with christianity and it's various hang-ups

Grow up, spiritually speaking, that is and quit being a cry baby, with spinning a ludicrous '... I used to think you're a Christian ...' line

Apostle Paul, wouldnt even let the word profane word, christian, roll off his tongue. He ignored the use of the word by king Agrippa, and sidestepped identifying himself as a christian.

Its just like, you wont fall on the ground, roll over, tolerate, accept to your face, allow yourself to be greeted, called and addressed as nigger, meaning, you wouldnt answer to being greeted, called and addressed as nigger. Or would you now. Kind give your answer to the question(s)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

HisSplendor:
Honestly, before now, i used to respect you on this forum but right now my respect for you is zero.

HisSplendor:
You can't even make a clean post without abuses.

HisSplendor:
I won't behave like you, and clearly as I said, you aren't a Christian!

HisSplendor:
The word Christian means 'Christ like'.

HisSplendor:
The world, the unbelievers were the first to call Christ's disciples by that name in Antioch according to the Bible.

HisSplendor:
Today, the disciples of Christ are still known as Christians for reference purposes. We know who we are. A Christian is really someone who has the Spirit of the living God in Him and is therefore empowered by the Holy Spirit to live like Christ in the world.

The world does not know this.

HisSplendor:
The Ronan government didn't coin the word 'Christian', it was in use before Constantine.

HisSplendor:
The disciples of Christ didn't call themselves by the name but they answer it.

HisSplendor:
Constantine organised Christianity and backed it with the state.

HisSplendor:
In responding to unbelievers about who created Christianity, you need to know who you're dealing with and answer him or her according to his) her level of understanding.

HisSplendor:
All the unnecessary things you're saying to further buttress their errornous position does a great disservice to God's kingdom.

NNTR:
Kk, have I solicited respect from you?
Have I ever proselytised you for conversion to anything? Hmm? What use is your unappreciated respect, when, you're beyond being corrected

Smh, if you can manage, share proof of any imagined abuse, made to you, and I will counter, give you proofs times three of veiled abuses you directed at me

Smh, you either are dyslexic or something else, for keep saying and repeating that I am not a christian.

If only more christians, properly and correctly read their bibles, there'd be less christians and/or less Constantine christians

The word word Christian, according to the people of Antioch, doesnt mean the 'Christ like'.

You really think and believe that the people of Antioch for love and money, were flattering the early believers, that they so much admired them enough to endow them with such a beautiful and endearing 'Christ like' compliment. Hmm?
Is you being called a nigger, something you gladly take pride in. Hmm?

You're behaving as if, you are stiff-necked and is the reason why I dont suffer you gladly or being hard on you. Try take to the advice of 2 Timothy 2:15
Please, I beg you, why dont you wake and smell the coffee, by first, as a starting point, go find out what the meaning of the word Antioch, is.

You see, a well known characteristic of Antioch, is that the people are fond of formulating and inventing unsavoury nicknames, for all and sundry (i.e. for Antioch was a city of nicknames) Her citizens were singularly addicted to ridicule and scurrilous wit, and the invention of nicknames. Julian, Emperor of Rome, acknowledged being aware of the unflattering nickname, the people of Antioch had for him

Reiterating, it is was the world, who gave the early believers, the nickname, Christian. The people of Antioch, well known and famous for inventing nicknames were the force behind profaning the name of Christ, which incidentally is Genesis 4:26b revisited.

The people of Antioch never were in admiration of the disciples of Jesus, lacked respect for them, and so had no favours in mind when inventing the nickname, used to ridicule the name of the Lord with

Constantine only came to perfect that which the people of Antioch invented and which he successfully according to his game plan, has you hooked on and hoodwinked with.

Smh. I guess the same way, you personally, dont call yourself, nigger, but you answer to when called nigger. Hmm?

When Constantine organised Christianity and backed it with the state, was that all done for genuine believers then? Answer nah

You remind me of the reprimand Nicodemus received from our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world Jesus Christ, that a whole teacher of Israel, has no idea about what being born again is

Ezekiel 36:22-23
22“Therefore say to the house of Israel,
‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake that I am about to act, O house of Israel,
but for the sake of my holy reputation which you profaned among the nations where you went.
23I will magnify my great name that has been profaned among the nations, that you have profaned among them.
The nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the sovereign Lord, when I magnify myself among you in their sight.

Isaiah 52:5
“And now what do I have here?” declares the LORD.
“For my people have been taken away for nothing,
and those who rule them mock,” declares the LORD.
“And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed.

'The only talent which indisputably belonged to them-their mastery of ridicule-they exercised not merely against the actors of their stage, but no less against the rulers sojourning in the capital of the East, and the ridicule was quite the same against the actor as against the emperor. While Julian met their sarcastic sayings with satirical writings, the Antiochenes at other times had to pay more severely for their evil speaking and their other sins' (Mommsen, Provinces, ii. 134, 135).

You deserve whatsoever railing 'abuse' that comes your way, and that's because of your ITK ignorance, quasi biblical knowledge, shallow theology, conceited full of yourself and condescending remark(s)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

HisSplendor:
Your last paragraph reeks of pride

HisSplendor:
and that's why you believe you know it all,

HisSplendor:
and put yourself in the position of 'teachers of others.'

HisSplendor:
pride goes before destruction. I'll advice you in whatever heights you may reach in life to be humble.

HisSplendor:
My argument with you is that Constantine didn't create Christianity which you said he created. Now, I've taken an excerpt from your current post below:

"Constantine only came to perfect that which the people of Antioch invented and which he successfully according to his game plan, has you hooked on and hoodwinked with."

HisSplendor:
Now, who created Christianity according to you as you stated above?

HisSplendor:
The word 'Christianity' was coined by the people of Antioch for mocking the disciples of Christ as I earlier stated.

HisSplendor:
All you just said above only attenuates this truth.

HisSplendor:
Before I go any further, oh my highly knowledgeable theologian friend, kindly give me your personal definition of Christianity.

HisSplendor:
I fear that, our definitions of christiehty might be incongruent even though we would definitely have a common ground. Without clarifying individual perspectives, this argument is baseless.

HisSplendor:
This is my own definition below:

Christianity is not a religion. It's a life life lived out of an encounter with Christ, empowered by the Holy Ghost and helped through grace." This means a Christian is not someone who practices organised Christianity founded by Constantine but rather someone who has a definite encounter with Jesus. By this definition, most of those who call themselves Christians are not Christians. And, in my opinion, Constantine didn't create this Christianity.

NNTR:
You respond coming from a bruised ego. You misconstrue confidence for arrogance or pride

I am a beneficiary of 2 Timothy 2:15, which I havent hidden from you

You write like this because you're consumed up with jealousy.

I continue to humbly learn until I draw my last breath and I am six foot under

You have never coveted the position, office nor title of teacher. If you must know, I am not a teacher. I am not teaching you, I am not teaching others

As you take pride in your ignorance, you better borrow a leaf from your advice. Humble yourself, take to correction, as with humility, you'll amount to more, amount to more than you currently are

'Your bruised ego, pride and comprehension issues,
wouldnt allow you to admit, you typed that Christianity was not created by anyone,
when history informs us, that Christianity, as we've come to know it, is a Roman invention.'
- by NNTR: 11:28am On Dec 10

Exactly thats what argument is. It is trading with an exchange of ignorance. You were spitting ignorances while I was laying down in return for you, facts.

You're so disingenuous, you are cherry picking and leaving out coming, you deem wouldnt help in you carrying on with your argument peddling ignorance

Look above

Here you go again. No, you are wrong. The word 'Christianity' was not coined by the people of Antioch.

I dont think you are big enough to admit you made a gaffe of mistaking the word 'Christianity' for the word 'Christian'

You dont know what the truth is. The truth is, if the people of Antioch really were mocking the disciples of Christ, then the mocking Christian nickname word, cannot and does not mean 'Christ-like'

Brother, if there is nothing flattery is being called a nigger, how would say, the people of Antioch generously and affectionately called the disciples, christian because they were 'Christ-like'.

Revelation 21:8, 27
8But as for the cowards and unbelieving and abominable
[who are devoid of character and personal integrity and practice or tolerate immorality],
and murderers, and sorcerers [with intoxicating drugs],
and idolaters and occultists [who practice and teach false religions],
and all the liars [who knowingly deceive and twist truth],
their part will be in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
27and nothing that defiles or profanes or is unwashed will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices abominations
[detestable, morally repugnant things] and lying,
but only those [will be admitted] whose names have been written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Religion takes different shapes and forms, has different passions, interest, rituals et cetera. Take for example, football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion. Fashion, for some, is a religion too, even atheism, funnily enough, as well, is a religion.

2 Timothy 1:7
'For God did not give us a spirit of timidity or cowardice or fear,
but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of sound judgment and personal discipline
[abilities that result in a calm, well-balanced mind and self-control].'

What you being fear over? You should know better than this bro
You make and render the word of impotent when you speak or type like that bro. There is power in the air, there is power of life and death in the tongue (i.e Proverbs 18:21)

Bro, Christianity, from day one, stank to high heaven. Why did it? It is simply because it is not Christianity that Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world was sensitising us to.

What Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, God Incarnate (i.e. God in human body flesh) was sensitising us to what a richly loving and meaningful relationship with God, Abba Father

With all due respects, you have it twisted bro. Seriously speak you do. Please follow on to to the end.

Watch this bro. Aside the earlier point about raised that football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion. Fashion, for some, is a religion too, and even atheism too, well bro, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, Christianity, ATF, New Age et cetera have flaws and faults in them, that 100%, certainly disqualifies each one of them, from being enough, to confidently, say they are true and pure religion(s), approved by God.

You see you are trying to sanitise the word 'Christianity', the same way you've kept on trying to present the word 'Christian' purged of the elements of historical mocking, insulting, profane, offensive, disrespectful, derogatory, vilifying meaning of the nickname.

The word, 'Christianity', for crying out loud, didnt even make it into the Bible. Obviously, a good reason for that

If Revelation 21:8, tells you about a false religion, then you would want to go find out what the Bible explicitly and directly gives as being, what a true religion.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Given that the only religion that is true and pure, without flaws or faults and such that has God's approval is not Christianity, is not Islam, is not Hinduism, is not Buddhism, is not ATF, is not New Age, is not atheism, is not football, is not fashion, is not basketball, is not hockey, then whats your reason for adopting it as your favourite, then?

HisSplendor:
"Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this,
to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."
- ( James 1:27).

HisSplendor:
Is the above not what the Bible says of a true religion?

HisSplendor:
This does not answer the question of what you personally define Christianity to be.

HisSplendor:
Atheists have written extensively against the gospel.

HisSplendor:
They assert that Jesus was created by the Romans, and that Constantine created Christianity. Do you really aling with these positions?

HisSplendor:
Separating the word 'Christian' from the term 'Christianity' does great harm to the discourse because Christianity is just a qualifying term for the word 'christian'.

HisSplendor:
Your theology isn't supposed to be from secular sources because they're often painted in anti-God colours.

HisSplendor:
When I said Christianity wasn't created by anyone, I stand by what I said and I've not changed my position since the commencement of this argument. Jesus didn't create any religion. The disciples only continued to live as followers of Jesus. The people of Antioch mockingly called the disciples 'Christians'. As time passed by, many unscrupulous elements invaded Christianity. When Constantine got involved, he couldn't even make contact with genuine believers. He simply presided over the rot he found, organised it and made it into a state religion.

Constantine couldn't have created something that had existed before him. Was it not the sign of the cross in the sky with the inscription "By this thou shalt prevail' that set the precedence for all he did?

HisSplendor:
Long before Constantine, while Paul defended himself before Agrippa, did the king not berate Paul for wanting to make him a Christian?

HisSplendor:
History is on my side that no one created Christianity. It has no founder because Jesus didn't found any religion.

A good theologian would tell you that Constantine was instrumental in organizing Christianity but he's far from being the founder. Christianity already had taken on its own forms, culture and tradition 300yrs before Constantine issued the Edict of Wilan that legalised Christianity in 380 AD.

NNTR:

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1. What is one word you would called what is being described there in James 1:27?
2. What is the one word for what God approves of and is undefiled, without fault or flaws in James 1:27 please?
3. Please identify what the two things you see in the picture below by giving me their names?

You tell if its the above, or if its christianity

I have answered you that Christianity as we know it today, as it has evolved, is a Roman invention

The gospel, as I already have shared with you, is primarily about the execution of God's plan of Salvation, Redemption, Reconciliation and atonement of sin by proxy of Jesus Christ, God Incarnated, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world.

Atheists, will easily write extensively against the gospel because they have no concept of the existence of God, or outrightly are simply in denial of Him

I align with the latter

Which came first between the derogatory word 'Christian' and the ensued from it, appendage term 'Christianity'

Take a leaf from your advice, by first doing a Berean when you next jump onto Wikipedia and using it a reference against the living word of God

I have showed you evidence of how Emperor Constantine commandeered Christianity and packaged it, to create what eventually got passed down for most all and you to practice

Did you read Apostle Paul allow the use of the the derogatory and disrespectful 'Christian' word roll of his tongue. Hmm?

Let me know if you want me to share with you a soft copy of:
'Creating Christ:
How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity'
by James Valliant and Warren Fahy

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
1. What is one word you would called what is being described there in James 1:27?
2. What is the one word for what God approves of and is undefiled, without fault or flaws in James 1:27 please?
3. Please identify what the two things you see in the picture below by giving me their names?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

HisSplendor:
I'll love to have a verifiable theological source that claims Constantine created Christianity since you initially boasted of superior theology.

NNTR:
Interesting. Hmm, a glaring evasion of all three questions. None were addressed by HisSplendor.

When you provide proof to substantiate this slanderous '... you initially boasted of superior theology ...' claim, I kindly without hesitation will abundantly sign post you to verifiable theological source that claims Constantine created the monster Christianity as we have it today.