FxMasterz:


Even Constantine himself could be a saint in Roman Catholicism. It doesn't change anything.

Roman Catholic is the origin of Christianity before great schism and further secession.

Your Iesus chrestus is a Roman Propaganda.

Maynmann:


There was no “christian” during Nero time but chrestians, bring your historical reference for it.

The AD and BC you are shouting is a gregorian idea, do you think they had AD/BC during antony and octavian time?

Look at what made it uncommon in Roman History.

There were. Tradition has it that when he set fire to Rome, he falsely alleged the Christians and started a fierce persecution against them

Paul was beheaded by Nero during his second trial at Nero's judgement seat.

FxMasterz:


If you weren't the same person, how come you were able to swiftly refute my claim when I didn't mention you specifically. How were you able to travel the conversation from that thread to this thread? How?

Sir, I'm following you here. Check. I'm following you. Any comment u make, I can see it immediately

FxMasterz:

There were. Tradition has it that when he set fire to Rome, he falsely alleged the Christians and started a fierce persecution against them

Paul was beheaded by Nero during his second trial at Nero's judgement seat.

He alleged “Chrestians”, chrestians are murderers and assassins.
And nero didn’t even do the allegations, eye witnesses and historians said it was chrestians.

which century was paul in Rome?
What century was he beheaded?
Any references?

Maynmann:


Roman Catholic is the origin of Christianity before great schism and further secession.

Your Iesus chrestus is a Roman Propaganda.

Roman Cathilosim is a hijacking and corruption of the original Christian faith.

The Christian faith stared in Jerusalem. The Christians were severely persecuted before Rome during the time of Constantine decided to adopt it as state religion. Constantine met Christianity. Christianity was not created by him.

FxMasterz:


I never claimed it was changed. I clearly stated that it was an alternative used by non Christians. An alternative to an original does not imply the change of the original.

Ordin, Freya or Saturn are not dates but days choose by pagans to honour their gods.

When we talk of AD or BC, we talk of particular dates which have a begining and end.

You said it was ORIGINALLY Christian Era meaning it was changed.

And the difference is?

FxMasterz:


Roman Cathilosim is a hijacking and corruption of the original Christian faith.

The Christian faith stared in Jerusalem. The Christians were severely persecuted before Rome during the time of Constantine decided to adopt it as state religion. Constantine met Christianity. Christianity was not created by him.

Roman Catholic is the origin of Christianity.
All the books in the New Testament was complied, edited and arranged by them, look up early church fathers.

There was no “christian” that was persecuted before constastine.
Constantine created the foundation of the christianity you have now especially your “trinity”

Maynmann:

He alleged “Chrestians”, chrestians are murderers and assassins.
And nero didn’t even do the allegations, eye witnesses and historians said it was chrestians.

which century was paul in Rome?
What century was he beheaded?
Any references?

See screenshot below:

FxMasterz:


See screenshot below:

Yes, “tradition”, quote history bro, oops, they are “unknown”

FxMasterz:


See screenshot below:

Wow.. Never knew Paul was Beheaded. These guys actually suffered. Look at Stephen that was stoned to Death

Maynmann:

Roman Catholic is the origin or Christianity.
All the books in the New Testament was complied, edited and arranged by them, look up early church fathers.

There was no “christian” that was persecuted before constastine.
Constantine created the foundation of the christianity you have now especially your “trinity”

How come Nero who existed long before Constantine persecuted Christians in 64 CE according to Britannica?

FxMasterz:


How come Nero who existed long before Constantine persecuted Christians in 64 CE according to Britannica?

Are they not quoting According to “tradition”.

Quote history na

There was no “christian” during Nero time.

Maynmann:

Yes, “tradition”, quote history bro, oops, they are “unknown”

The screenshot there is from Britannica.

FxMasterz:


The screenshot there is from Britannica.

Which history are they quoting, the “unknown”?
Or the “tradition”?

Click the link yourself and see the references of “britannica”

Maynmann:


Are they not quoting According to “tradition”.

Quote history na

There was no “christian” during Nero time.

Paul was beheaded according to tradition.

Take note of the sentence regarding the possible period of his martyrdom. Britannica says "Perhaps it happened in CE 64 when Christians were being severely persecuted." That's not according to tradition. That's history.

FxMasterz:


Paul was beheaded according to tradition.

Take note of the sentence regarding the possible period of his martyrdom. Britannica says "Perhaps it happened in CE 64 when Christians were being secretly persecuted." That's not according to tradition. That's history.

There was no “christian” during Nero Time.
Where in history are they quoting?
Quote the references from brittanica.

Maynmann:


There was no “christian” during Nero Time.
Where in history are they quoting?
Quote the references from brittanica.

It is the details of his death that are unknown, not the death itself. See screenshot below:

https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-St-Paul-the-Apostle-die#:~:text=Paul's%20death%20are%20unknown%2C%20but,the%20city%20in%2064%20CE.

FxMasterz:


It is the details of his death that are unknown, not the death itself. See screenshot below:

https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-St-Paul-the-Apostle-die#:~:text=Paul's%20death%20are%20unknown%2C%20but,the%20city%20in%2064%20CE.

So how did you know the century when he was killed.
How he died? Why he died? Who killed him?
if the details are UNKNOWN.

Of course someone from 6000 years ago should be dead, that’s common sense .

“But tradition” holds” bwahahahah
The same way “tradition” holds moses wrote Torah

Maynmann:


So how did you know the century when he was killed.
How he died? Why he died? , if the details are UNKNOWN.

Of course someone from 6000 years ago should be dead, that’s common sense .

“But tradition” holds” bwahahahah
The same way “tradition” holds moses wrote Torah

Did you see the part that was not taken from tradition?

FxMasterz:


Did you see the part that was not taken from tradition?

What century was he in Rome?
Who imprisoned him?
Quote references where it was “known”.
where in the New Testament did Paul called himself a “Christian”.

Maynmann:

What century was he in Rome?
Who imprisoned him?
Quote references where it was “known”.

Paul was taken to Rome in AD 57.

I'm avoiding Christian reference even though it is logical to assume that Christians would have the most detailed history about Paul.

The first screenshot below is taken from Journals.com.

You can follow the link below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/474256%23:~:text%3DPaul%2520was%2520arrested%2520in%2520Jerusalem,lived%2520the%2520procurator%252C%2520for%2520imprisonment.&ved=2ahUKEwiP6vThtM3_AhULfMAKHQbMCBsQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw3PWrL7whgX73TCyKZAlUvA

FxMasterz:


Paul was taken to Rome in AD 57.

I'm avoiding Christian reference even though it is logical to assume that Christians would have the most detailed history about Paul.

The first screenshot below is taken from Journals.com.

You can follow the link below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/474256%23:~:text%3DPaul%2520was%2520arrested%2520in%2520Jerusalem,lived%2520the%2520procurator%252C%2520for%2520imprisonment.&ved=2ahUKEwiP6vThtM3_AhULfMAKHQbMCBsQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw3PWrL7whgX73TCyKZAlUvA

The fire of rome was when?
Where in the imprisonment was nero mentioned or great fire?



Writing in about 96 CE (1 Clement), Clement of Rome, who ought to have been aware if Paul was martyred in Rome just a few decades earlier, seems to have believed that Paul continued on to Spain and died there:

1 Clement 5:5–6: By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the reward of his faith, having taught righteousness unto the whole world and having reached the farthest bounds of the West [Spain; and when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance.

Maynmann:

What century was he in Rome?
Who imprisoned him?
Quote references where it was “known”.
where in the New Testament did Paul called himself a “Christian”.

The disciples never called themselves Christians. The unbelievers did. It was a derogatory name first used against Paul and his group in Antioch.

FxMasterz:


The disciples never called themselves Christians. The unbelievers did. It was a derogatory name first used against Paul and his group in Antioch.

They called them chrestians.
Why is “chrestian” a derogatory name, they are murderers that is why, they burnt rome.

Maynmann:


The fire of rome was when?
Where in the imprisonment was nero mentioned or great fire?



Writing in about 96 CE (1 Clement), Clement of Rome, who ought to have been aware if Paul was martyred in Rome just a few decades earlier, seems to have believed that Paul continued on to Spain and died there:

1 Clement 5:5–6: By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the reward of his faith, having taught righteousness unto the whole world and having reached the farthest bounds of the West [Spain; and when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance.

Interestingly, Paul mentioned in his new restaurant letters that he would visit Spain. However, there's no indication that he was able to fulfil that desire before he was arrested.

Spain has no record of Paul's visit. Why should we believe Clement?

FxMasterz:


Interestingly, Paul mentioned in his new restaurant letters that he would visit Spain. However, there's no indication that he was able to fulfil that desire before he was arrested.

Spain has no record of Paul's visit. Why should we believe Clement?

So many evidences said so. Who is clement to paul?
Don’t you think Clement’s evidence is most persuasive?

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10

Maynmann:


They called them chrestians.
Why is “chrestian” a derogatory name, they are murderers that is why, they burnt rome.

Give verifiable reference of the Christians caught red handed burning Rome. Or the evidence of murders committed by them. Nero put up that accusation as an excuse for persecution.

Meanwhile you said they never existed during Nero's time. What changed?

Maynmann:


So many evidences said so. Who is clement to paul?
Don’t you think Clement’s evidence is most persuasive?

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10

Now, tell me the exact date Paul went to Spain. The cities he visited and the records of the Spanish about his visitation.

FxMasterz:


Give verifiable reference of the Christians caught red handed burning Rome. Or the evidence of murders committed by them. Nero put up that accusation as an excuse for persecution.

Meanwhile you said they never existed during Nero's time. What changed?

I said “christians” never existed during nero time, it Was chrestians that burnt down rome and killed nero.

FxMasterz:


Now, tell me the exact date Paul went to Spain. The cities he visited and the records of the Spanish about his visitation.

Give me the exact date your jewish savior was born.


“Many other ancient Christian writers asserted Paul went to Spain. Jerome ( 342-460), the ascetic-in-his-golden-years scholar who translated the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 4 Gospels in the New Testament from Hebrew and Greek into Latin and is credited as the author of the Roman Catholic Vulgate Bible, stated: “St. Paul having been in Spain, went from one ocean to another.” Amos, cap.5

Whether Paul fulfilled his dream of evangelizing the East AND the West as far as Spain is tradition with positive evidence from the quotes of many authors through the centuries. This writer says, yes, Paul did go to Spain for several years after his first Roman imprisonment in c. 60-62.”
https://earlychurchhistory.org/beliefs-2/st-paul-went-to-spain/

Maynmann:

I said “christians” never existed during time, it Was chrestians that burnt down rome and killed nero.

Now, let's hear from history. Who burnt Rome? Who killed Nero? See screenshots below:

FxMasterz:


Now, let's hear from history. Who burnt Rome? Who killed Nero? See screenshots below:

Be reading your “history” before you just screenshot it.
Nero wasn’t even in Rome during the fire.
https://www.thecollector.com/great-fire-of-rome/