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Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by SUNDAYSIO(m): 6:58am On Mar 26, 2023
IS PURGATORY IN THE BIBLE?
1 Peter 3:18-20 18. For Christ died for the sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 19. in which he went and preached to the SPIRITS IN PRISON, 20. who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
from this verse it is stated clearly that this people whom Jesus went to preach to , died centuries ago, "the time of Noah",
The question now is, where are they? before Jesus went to preach to them, definitely not in heaven, because those there don't need salvation.

This Prison or State of purging or purification is what Catholics gave the name PURGATORY.
so did anybody had this experience?
Yes!
Isaiah
Has instance Purging before he Can see God in Isaiah 6:5-7.
...*And I said: *Woe is me! for I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.* Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having in his hand a burning coal which he had taken with tongs from the altar. And he touched my mouth, and said: .*.Behold, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin forgiven*.
(This passage is a noteworthy of what happens when men experience God's presence directly. Like Isaiah, we must all undergo a self-conscious and voluntary purging upon approaching God more closely than in this present life.) The Bible does not mention the exact word PURGATORY, but instead it makes reference to a place which can be understood as what is referred to as PURGATORY.
Isaiah 35:8, ...'And a highway shall be there, and it shall be called the Holy Way; the unclean shall not pass over it, and fools shall not err therein.' Zech 13:1-2 ...'On that day there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness'
1 cor 3:15 ...'If a man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.' Rev. 21:27. ...'
But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination nor falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.' Heb 12:23 ...'enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to spirits of just men made PERFECT'. Job 14:13-17 ...'Oh that you would hide me in Shoel, that you would conceal me until your wrath be past, if a man DIES, shall he live again?,+ ... I would wait, till my RELEASE should come'
To claim that PURGATORY does not exist because the exact word does not appear in Scripture is a failure to understand Scripture. Because the exact word.. Bible does not appear anywhere in the Bible so also do PURGATORY! One might as well even deny that there is something called the Bible because no such name is found in the Bible. Furthermore, one might as well deny the Trinity, Incarnation, and so forth because these exact words are not found in the Bible.
Let's see:
so should there be such a place like
PURGATORY?
Yes!
Rev. 21:27...' Because Nothing unclean shall enter heaven'... Hebrews 12:14 ..'so therefore Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord' and because we Can't see God unless holy. Heb. 12:14. (Even as Christ Has died for us!) 2 Corinthians 7:1.. 'so therefore let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God'.
Matt. 12:32 ...'though Some sin may be forgiven in next age' 1 Cor. 3:15 ...'but the just man may be Saved, but through fire (there's no tormenting fire in heaven!)' Isaiah 4:4 ...'By then When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning (in Purgatory).
(see also Isaiah 1:25-26). So all the souls of the just men who are dead, but are still awaiting judgment shall be saved. (from heavenly prison referred to as Purgatory!) Paul knows that's why he was appealing in 2 Timothy 1:16-18. May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me
may the Lord (Jesus) grant him to find mercy from the Lord (God) on that (Judgement) Day
and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus. Spirits in prison 1 Pt. 3:18-20 after He died as an appeal to God as does Baptism. Micah 7:8-9 Rejoice not over me, O mine enemy; when I fall (die), I shall rise; when I sit in darkness (Prison /Purgatory), the Lord will be a light to me.
I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned (why?) against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me (where?). He will bring me forth to the light (from Purgatory); I shall behold his deliverance.
(see also Leviticus 26:41,43, Job 40:4-5, Lamentations 3:39) Malachi 3:2-4. But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap; he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi, and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the Lord.
Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years. (2 Macc. 12:44-45). ..*For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.*. ... (1 Cor. 3:13-15) ..*Each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.*.
We'll begin by making clear just what we mean by in Purgatory.? The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that: All who die in God's grace, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030).
This seems so simple. That's why Catholics with the infinite Wisdom of God use the Catechism Book to teach the young ones before they grow and advance on their own. In common sense. The Scripture is very clear when it wrote in, (Rev. 21:27) But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven] Hab. 1:13 says You [God]... are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong..., How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace.
to explain Purgatory to a friend, family member, or co-worker. A Very Good Place to Start Perhaps the best place to start is with the most overt reference to a .*.Purgatory.*. of sorts in the Old Testament.
In 2 Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying .*.sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear.*. (vs. 40), Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin..*.
They disagree with Maccabees, why?
First, they do not accept the inspiration of Maccabees.
And second, they will claim these men in Maccabees committed the sin of idolatry,
The Catholic Response:
Rejecting II Maccabees does not negate its history of the forefathers; because Maccabees helps us in knowing, fully that the Jews believed in praying and making atonement for the dead shortly before the coming of Christ. That's why Jesus commanded in the Matthew 12:32, ..* And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come (this sounds like Purgatory) This means that at least some sins that can be forgiven of people in the next life (from Purgatory)
I Corinthians 3:11-15 should clear the text Sacred Scripture when it comes to Purgatory for us: No Christian can deny this text speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. It says our works will go through .*.fire,.*. figuratively speaking. In Scripture, .*.fire,.*. is used symbolically in two ways: AS A PURIFYING AGENT (Mal. 3:2-3; Matt. 3:11; Mark 9:49); AND AS THAT WHICH CONSUMES Matt. 3:12; 2 Thess. 1:7-8
So it is a fitting symbol here for God's judgment. Some of the .*.works.*. represented are being burned up and some are being purified. These works survive or burn according to their essential .*.quality.*. impure things cannot be heaven because there are imperfections that need to be .*.burned up.*.
(see again, Rev. 21:27, says. .*But nothing unclean shall enter it (Heaven) nor anyone who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's (Jesus) book of life*\\n , because His eyes can not behold evil ..Hab. 1:13). It cannot be hell because souls are being saved. , So what is it called? .*.the Judgment.*. and we Catholics agree. We Catholics simply specify the part of the JUDGMENT OF THE SAVED where imperfections are purged as .*. Purgatory Objection!
First, what are sins, if not bad or wicked works (see Matthew 7:21-23, John 8:40, Galatians 5:19-21)? If these .*.works.*. do not represent sins and imperfections, why would they need to be eliminated? Second, it is impossible for a .*.work.*. to be cleansed apart from the human being who performed it. We are , in a certain sense, what we do when it comes to our moral choices.
There is no such thing as a .*.work.*. floating around somewhere detached from a human being that could be cleansed apart from human life on earth.
The bible declared that the works will be tested by fire, but .*.if the work survives... he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he shall suffer loss..*. And, .*. he will be saved, but only as through fire.*.
The truth is: both the works of the individual and the individual will go through the cleansing .*.fire.*. described by St. Paul in order that .*.he.*. might finally be saved and enter into the joy of the Lord. IMPLIES PURGATORY.

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Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by PoliteActivist: 7:10am On Mar 26, 2023
The fact you have to write this looong epistle ought tell you that you are ptlribably wrong. Lord Jesus never aluded to any purgatory anywhere including with thief at the cross or Lazarus the poor beggar
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Dollarseeker: 8:02am On Mar 26, 2023
Thank you for this post. Those who really wants to learn and know the truth will read it.

Catholicism my faith.

I am not just a catholic because I was born a catholic. Even if I was not born a catholic, I would have still become catholic because I am a good researcher that loves seeking for the truth without bias and would have discovered the truth in catholicism and therefore become a catholic.
HAPPY SUNDAY

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Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by SUNDAYSIO(m): 8:52am On Mar 26, 2023
The term purgatory comes from Anglo-Norman French purgatorie or medieval Latin purgatorium, used as a noun as purgatorius ‘purifying,’ from the verb purgare to purify.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by SUNDAYSIO(m): 8:54am On Mar 26, 2023
Basically, to define purgatory is simply a state between heaven and hell, AREN’T SPIRITUALLY GOOD ENOUGH to enter heaven and AREN’T BAD ENOUGH to go to hell.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:58am On Mar 26, 2023
SUNDAYSIO:
19.in which he went and preached to the SPIRITS IN PRISON,who formerly ]did not obey, when God's patience waited in the ]days of Noah,[/] during the building of the ark, in which few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
[color=#000099]from this verse it is stated clearly that this people whom Jesus went to preach to , died centuries ago, "the time of Noah",

The question now is, where are they? before Jesus went to preach to them, definitely not in heaven, because those there don't need salvation. This Prison or State of purging or purification is what Catholics gave the name PURGATORY...

The bold is where you devils have snuck your addition to the Bible.

Prison is not a place of purification but a place of the punishment of separation.

If they were in purging, then Christ would not have gone there for He too purges.

Thus, if they were already purging, then they do not need a purging.

So, your devil rulers are still lying to you. This defence does not stand.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:02pm On Mar 26, 2023
SUNDAYSIO:
Basically, to define purgatory is simply a state between heaven and hell, AREN’T SPIRITUALLY GOOD ENOUGH to enter heaven and AREN’T BAD ENOUGH to go to hell.

See your corruption. Hell/death means prison which has been detaining people since Eve brought them to on us, so you are already wrong and you lie.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:09pm On Mar 26, 2023
Dollarseeker:
Thank you for this post. Those who really wants to learn and know the truth will read it.

Catholicism my faith.

I am not just a catholic because I was born a catholic. Even if I was not born a catholic, I would have still become catholic because I am a good researcher that loves seeking for the truth without bias and would have discovered the truth in catholicism and therefore become a catholic.
HAPPY SUNDAY

This is not true. You love lies and because you have heard all the things you like, is why you chose it. Exactly how the jws manufactured their own lies which they propagate.

Most people do not want the Truth because it is very unpleasant to their sin fuelled living.

Even the churches who are trying to face the Truth are still struggling with accepting it, how much more you Catholics and jws who have created their own lies which they peddle as True.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by SUNDAYSIO(m): 1:17pm On Mar 26, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


See your corruption. Hell/death means prison which has been detaining people since Eve brought them to on us, so you are already wrong and you lie.

Take for instance
In a Court Room
We have the judge
In the court the judge have 3 possiblity of judgement
If found not guilty = freedom/set free (heaven)
If found guilty then we have two possible judgements, they are:
1. The big offense like killing = life in prison/death (hell)
2. The small offense = few mouths, years in prison after which he/she is set free (purgatory)


and if nothing like purgatory then believe me that more than 98% of people in world would not make it to heaven.

Take for instance again you are a very good Christian living a faithful life and you insult an okada man drive badly when you are driving and few minutes you die 😏 with out asking God for forgiveness for that insult. Will the insult mean hell 🔥 straight ?

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Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:34pm On Mar 26, 2023
SUNDAYSIO:

If found guilty then we have two possible judgements, they are:
1. The big offense like killing = life in prison/death (hell)
2.The small offense = few mouths, years in prison after which he/she is set free (purgatory)

This is where you miss it and now why you learn the importance of judgment day.

As you can see even in your post that the people of Noah's days have not been judged yet. No one after male Adam has been judged. Cain has not been judged (Mathew 23:35).

Therefore, everyone who has died is simply under "A Rest" what liars have changed to "arrest" (which is why you see "When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers" 2Samuel 7:12) in the place known as death/hell which is called "Holding Cell" or "Remand quarters" till they are taken to Court for trial. And Judgement Day is the Day God will convene His Court.

So God has made it better or worser depending on how you view it, by not "A Resting" you when you committed an offence whether big or small. He just let you live out all your days and at the end is when He intends to look at the Charges that have been levied against you in His Court on Judgment Day.

That is why there is nothing like purgatory, devils are just lying to you so that you are made to fall into a disastrous error which you will never be able to correct because the error is sealed shut against you. The idea of purgatory is a condemnation trap.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by vdestro: 4:58pm On Mar 26, 2023
SUNDAYSIO:


Take for instance
In a Court Room
We have the judge
In the court the judge have 3 possiblity of judgement
If found not guilty = freedom/set free (heaven)
If found guilty then we have two possible judgements, they are:
1. The big offense like killing = life in prison/death (hell)
2. The small offense = few mouths, years in prison after which he/she is set free (purgatory)


and if nothing like purgatory then believe me that more than 98% of people in world would not make it to heaven.

Take for instance again you are a very good Christian living a faithful life and you insult an okada man drive badly when you are driving and few minutes you die 😏 with out asking God for forgiveness for that insult. Will the insult mean hell 🔥 straight ?

Do you not see that establishment of guilt is done only after Trial/Judgement has taken place?

So the Judge can not sentence any one for whether big or small offences without Judgement first therefore no one can go to "purging" without his guilt being established via Judgement.

And as you know Judgment day is still being awaited.

So purgatory has no stand and is not true.

Do not be deceived.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Kobojunkie: 5:01pm On Mar 26, 2023
Dollarseeker:
Thank you for this post. Those who really wants to learn and know the truth will read it.

Catholicism my faith.

I am not just a catholic because I was born a catholic. Even if I was not born a catholic, I would have still become catholic because I am a good researcher that loves seeking for the truth without bias and would have discovered the truth in catholicism and therefore become a catholic.
HAPPY SUNDAY
But there's no such thing as purgatory in God's special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6, so what was this purgatory you speak of built and run by your catholic church on behalf of God? undecided
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Kobojunkie: 5:03pm On Mar 26, 2023
SUNDAYSIO:
■ Basically, to define purgatory is simply a state between heaven and hell, AREN’T SPIRITUALLY GOOD ENOUGH to enter heaven and AREN’T BAD ENOUGH to go to hell.
■ Jesus Christ said no one will gain access into either of Heaven or Hell until after His return -- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 5 vs 19 - 29 ---- even the apostles are still in their graves waiting for Him to return --- , so why is there a need for this purgatory you speak of? undecided
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by 1MILLIONLiGHTS(m): 5:57pm On Mar 26, 2023
SUNDAYSIO:
IS PURGATORY IN THE BIBLE?
1 Peter 3:18-20 18. For Christ died for the sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 19. in which he went and preached to the SPIRITS IN PRISON, 20. who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
from this verse it is stated clearly that this people whom Jesus went to preach to , died centuries ago, "the time of Noah",
The question now is, where are they? before Jesus went to preach to them, definitely not in heaven, because those there don't need salvation.

This Prison or State of purging or purification is what Catholics gave the name PURGATORY.
so did anybody had this experience?
Yes!
Isaiah
Has instance Purging before he Can see God in Isaiah 6:5-7.
...*And I said: *Woe is me! for I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.* Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having in his hand a burning coal which he had taken with tongs from the altar. And he touched my mouth, and said: .*.Behold, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin forgiven*.
(This passage is a noteworthy of what happens when men experience God's presence directly. Like Isaiah, we must all undergo a self-conscious and voluntary purging upon approaching God more closely than in this present life.) The Bible does not mention the exact word PURGATORY, but instead it makes reference to a place which can be understood as what is referred to as PURGATORY.
Isaiah 35:8, ...'And a highway shall be there, and it shall be called the Holy Way; the unclean shall not pass over it, and fools shall not err therein.' Zech 13:1-2 ...'On that day there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness'
1 cor 3:15 ...'If a man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.' Rev. 21:27. ...'
But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination nor falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.' Heb 12:23 ...'enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to spirits of just men made PERFECT'. Job 14:13-17 ...'Oh that you would hide me in Shoel, that you would conceal me until your wrath be past, if a man DIES, shall he live again?,+ ... I would wait, till my RELEASE should come'
To claim that PURGATORY does not exist because the exact word does not appear in Scripture is a failure to understand Scripture. Because the exact word.. Bible does not appear anywhere in the Bible so also do PURGATORY! One might as well even deny that there is something called the Bible because no such name is found in the Bible. Furthermore, one might as well deny the Trinity, Incarnation, and so forth because these exact words are not found in the Bible.
Let's see:
so should there be such a place like
PURGATORY?
Yes!
Rev. 21:27...' Because Nothing unclean shall enter heaven'... Hebrews 12:14 ..'so therefore Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord' and because we Can't see God unless holy. Heb. 12:14. (Even as Christ Has died for us!) 2 Corinthians 7:1.. 'so therefore let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God'.
Matt. 12:32 ...'though Some sin may be forgiven in next age' 1 Cor. 3:15 ...'but the just man may be Saved, but through fire (there's no tormenting fire in heaven!)' Isaiah 4:4 ...'By then When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning (in Purgatory).
(see also Isaiah 1:25-26). So all the souls of the just men who are dead, but are still awaiting judgment shall be saved. (from heavenly prison referred to as Purgatory!) Paul knows that's why he was appealing in 2 Timothy 1:16-18. May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me
may the Lord (Jesus) grant him to find mercy from the Lord (God) on that (Judgement) Day
and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus. Spirits in prison 1 Pt. 3:18-20 after He died as an appeal to God as does Baptism. Micah 7:8-9 Rejoice not over me, O mine enemy; when I fall (die), I shall rise; when I sit in darkness (Prison /Purgatory), the Lord will be a light to me.
I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned (why?) against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me (where?). He will bring me forth to the light (from Purgatory); I shall behold his deliverance.
(see also Leviticus 26:41,43, Job 40:4-5, Lamentations 3:39) Malachi 3:2-4. But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap; he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi, and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the Lord.
Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years. (2 Macc. 12:44-45). ..*For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.*. ... (1 Cor. 3:13-15) ..*Each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.*.
We'll begin by making clear just what we mean by in Purgatory.? The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that: All who die in God's grace, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030).
This seems so simple. That's why Catholics with the infinite Wisdom of God use the Catechism Book to teach the young ones before they grow and advance on their own. In common sense. The Scripture is very clear when it wrote in, (Rev. 21:27) But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven] Hab. 1:13 says You [God]... are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong..., How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace.
to explain Purgatory to a friend, family member, or co-worker. A Very Good Place to Start Perhaps the best place to start is with the most overt reference to a .*.Purgatory.*. of sorts in the Old Testament.
In 2 Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying .*.sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear.*. (vs. 40), Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin..*.
They disagree with Maccabees, why?
First, they do not accept the inspiration of Maccabees.
And second, they will claim these men in Maccabees committed the sin of idolatry,
The Catholic Response:
Rejecting II Maccabees does not negate its history of the forefathers; because Maccabees helps us in knowing, fully that the Jews believed in praying and making atonement for the dead shortly before the coming of Christ. That's why Jesus commanded in the Matthew 12:32, ..* And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come (this sounds like Purgatory) This means that at least some sins that can be forgiven of people in the next life (from Purgatory)
I Corinthians 3:11-15 should clear the text Sacred Scripture when it comes to Purgatory for us: No Christian can deny this text speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. It says our works will go through .*.fire,.*. figuratively speaking. In Scripture, .*.fire,.*. is used symbolically in two ways: AS A PURIFYING AGENT (Mal. 3:2-3; Matt. 3:11; Mark 9:49); AND AS THAT WHICH CONSUMES Matt. 3:12; 2 Thess. 1:7-8
So it is a fitting symbol here for God's judgment. Some of the .*.works.*. represented are being burned up and some are being purified. These works survive or burn according to their essential .*.quality.*. impure things cannot be heaven because there are imperfections that need to be .*.burned up.*.
(see again, Rev. 21:27, says. .*But nothing unclean shall enter it (Heaven) nor anyone who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's (Jesus) book of life*\\n , because His eyes can not behold evil ..Hab. 1:13). It cannot be hell because souls are being saved. , So what is it called? .*.the Judgment.*. and we Catholics agree. We Catholics simply specify the part of the JUDGMENT OF THE SAVED where imperfections are purged as .*. Purgatory Objection!
First, what are sins, if not bad or wicked works (see Matthew 7:21-23, John 8:40, Galatians 5:19-21)? If these .*.works.*. do not represent sins and imperfections, why would they need to be eliminated? Second, it is impossible for a .*.work.*. to be cleansed apart from the human being who performed it. We are , in a certain sense, what we do when it comes to our moral choices.
There is no such thing as a .*.work.*. floating around somewhere detached from a human being that could be cleansed apart from human life on earth.
The bible declared that the works will be tested by fire, but .*.if the work survives... he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he shall suffer loss..*. And, .*. he will be saved, but only as through fire.*.
The truth is: both the works of the individual and the individual will go through the cleansing .*.fire.*. described by St. Paul in order that .*.he.*. might finally be saved and enter into the joy of the Lord. IMPLIES PURGATORY.

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I don't know what "spirits in prison" actually means..but from the message of Benny hinn " origin of Angels and Demons". It talked about angels who slept with women and produced giants, the Noah's flood wiped them and were thrown into Tartarus, thus (spirits in prison) . (After death comes judgement and not grace) they were not men but fallen angels . Just listen to the mp3 yourself.
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Kobojunkiee: 6:24pm On Mar 26, 2023
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■ I don't know what "spirits in prison" actually means..but from the message of Benny hinn " origin of Angels and Demons". It talked about angels who slept with women and produced giants, the Noah's flood wiped them and were thrown into Tartarus, thus (spirits in prison) . (After death comes judgement and not grace) they were not men but fallen angels . Just listen to the mp3 yourself.
1. I am afraid your Benny Hinn lied to you. Scripture does not in fact state that the giants where a result of the Sons of God mating with the daughters of men. undecided

Also, Tartarus? undecided
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:56pm On Mar 26, 2023
Purgatory is the result of misinformation about life in heaven.

First of all God never promised anyone life in heaven it was Jesus who begged his father for his co-rulers to come and stay in the same place that's why Jesus said:

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be" John 14:1-3

From Jesus' statement above it's clear that God never had any plan for mankind to live in heaven the only place God gave mankind is planet earth {Psalms 115:16} so Jesus taught his followers that life in heaven is in no way the same as we have here because in heaven they don't have gender so no one gets married {Luke 20:34-36} no room for indecision so if a person is going there must be focused 100%! Luke 9:62
So Jesus only have the power to train those that draw closer to him {John 6:44} but the one who selects co-rulers with Christ is God Himself {Matthew 20:20-23} just as God chose Jesus as the King the same happens to all his co-rulers.

Man supposed to live forever on planet earth or he returns to dust if he proves unworthy {Psalms 9:17} those who strive to please God during their life time will be remembered and brought back to life on this same planet! Job 14:13-15

So whoever has wasted his chances of making himself or herself a friend of God can't regain that once they died {Hebrews 9:27} if you live during the time Christians are preaching the good news of God's Kingdom your hope hings on whether you avail yourself for what they're preaching {Matthew 10:14-15} because angels are moving around penning down the names of those seizing this opportunity {Malachi 3:16} and if you lived before the Christians preach the good news then your hope hings on the laws of conscience {Romans 2:15} as for those that deliberately ignored conscience before Christianity and those who ignored the preaching of Christians there's no hope for them anymore after their death they will be forgotten in their graves forever! Psalms 9:17
Re: Purgatory Biblical: Is Purgatory Real? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:34pm On Mar 26, 2023
vdestro:

Do you not see that establishment of guilt is done only after Trial/Judgement has taken place?

So the Judge can not sentence any one for whether big or small offences without Judgement first therefore no one can go to "purging" without his guilt being established via Judgement.

And as you know Judgment day is still being awaited.

So purgatory has no stand and is not true.

Do not be deceived.

Oh sweet!

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