AntiChristian:
Luke 22:36-38

It is very funny as well as pathetic the way Christians tend to twist the bible and end up giving themselves headache. according to the gospel of Luke 22:36-38;
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Jesus ordered his disciples to sell their garments if they have no sword, the sword were later presented to him. Different christian with different holy spirit give the verses different interpretations. Many claim the sword as used in those verses does not mean a literal sword but a word of God.

Funny enough, a disciple of Jesus cut off one of the soldiers ear with a sword...erhm erhm, no, with a word of God. You may wonder how a word of God is sharp enough to cut off someone's ear except it is a sword in actual sense. The disciples had words at the command of Jesus who was making defensive plans against his enemies. There is no way Peter could have held a sword without Jesus knowing, he must have at a point in time seen him with it. It may baffle someone as to why Jesus cautioned Paul that anyone who kills by the sword shall be killed by the sword. This gets more interesting, was Jesus saying anyone who kills with word of God shall die by word of God?

Jesus was a good planner and strategist as we can see how he refused to walk in Judea to avoid being killed to his prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. The disciples had few swords, Jesus, seeing how armed and dangerous the Roman soldiers looked like, he knew few swords would do nothing. So, to be on a safer side, he needs caution peter.

One can imagine the confused look peter might have worn. He would be like, 'if anyone who kills by sword shall die by sword, why ask us to get swords?

They accuse Muslims of twisting their scriptures when in reality, they are the twisters.

By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
http://knowislam.com.ng/luke-2236-38-by-bashir-lucas.../

LegalWolf:
What has thou have to say?

35 Then Jesus said to the apostles, “Remember when I sent you out without money, a bag, or sandals? Did you need anything?” The apostles said, “No.”
36 Jesus said to them, “But now if you have money or a bag, carry that with you. If you don’t have a sword, sell your coat and buy one.
37 The Scriptures say,‘He was considered a criminal.’ This Scripture must happen. It was written about me, and it is happening now.”
38 The followers said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.”
Jesus said to them, “That’s enough.”[d] - Luke 22 vs 35 - 38

11. After his suffering he will see the light,[f] and he will be satisfied with what he experienced. The Lord says, “My servant, who always does what is right, will make his people right with me; he will take away their sins.
12 For this reason, I will treat him as one of my great people. I will give him the rewards of one who wins in battle, and he will share them with his powerful ones. I will do this because he gave his life for the people. He was considered a criminal, but the truth is, he carried away the sins of many. Now he will stand before me and speak for those who have sinned.” - Isaiah 53 vs 11 - 12

47 While Jesus was speaking, a crowd came up. It was led by Judas, one of the twelve apostles. He came over to Jesus to kiss him.
48 But Jesus said to him, “Judas, are you using the kiss of friendship to hand over the Son of Man to his enemies?”
49 The followers of Jesus were standing there too. They saw what was happening and said to Jesus, “Lord, should we use our swords?”
50 And one of them did use his sword. He cut off the right ear of the servant of the high priest.
51 Jesus said, “Stop!” Then he touched the servant’s ear and healed him.
52 Jesus spoke to the group that came to arrest him. They were the leading priests, the older Jewish leaders, and the Jewish soldiers. He said to them, “Why did you come out here with swords and clubs? Do you think I am a criminal?
53 I was with you every day in the Temple area. Why didn’t you try to arrest me there? But this is your time—the time when darkness rules.” - Luke 22 vs 47 - 53

50 Jesus answered, “Friend, do the thing you came to do.” Then the men came and grabbed Jesus and arrested him.
51 When that happened, one of the followers with Jesus grabbed his sword and pulled it out. He swung it at the servant of the high priest and cut off his ear.
52 Jesus said to the man, “Put your sword back in its place. People who use swords will be killed with swords.
53 Surely you know I could ask my Father and he would give me more than twelve armies of angels.
54 But it must happen this way to show the truth of what the Scriptures said.”
55 Then Jesus said to the crowd, “Why do you come to get me with swords and clubs as if I were a criminal. Every day I sat in the Temple area teaching. You did not arrest me there.
56 But all these things have happened to show the full meaning of what the prophets wrote.” Then all of Jesus’ followers left him and ran away. - Matthew 26 vs 50 - 56

27 I tell you all this secretly, but I want you to tell it publicly. Whatever I tell you privately, you should shout for everyone to hear.
28 “Don’t be afraid of people. They can kill the body, but they cannot kill the soul. The only one you should fear is God, the one who can send the body and the soul to be destroyed in hell.
29 When birds are sold, two small birds cost only a penny. But not even one of those little birds can die without your Father knowing it - Matthew 10 vs 27 - 29

4 Then Jesus said to the people, “I tell you, my friends, don’t be afraid of people. They can kill the body, but after that they can do nothing more to hurt you.
5 I will show you the one to fear. You should fear God, who has the power to kill you and also to throw you into hell. Yes, he is the one you should fear.
6 “When birds are sold, five small birds cost only two pennies. But God does not forget any of them.
7 Yes, God even knows how many hairs you have on your head. Don’t be afraid. You are worth much more than many birds. - Luke 12 vs 4 - 7

TenQ:

I don't understand what the twisting of scripture is about. The scripture states exactly what is says.

Jesus had TWELVE core disciples but He said " TWO swords are enough "!

1. What do you think this means?
Was Jesus being Literal or Speaking in Parables?
2. How do you propose the 12 Disciples share the TWO swords either for offence or defence (if it is about fighting)
3. Jesus didn't say, it remains 10 more swords! Why?


Alfa Lukas Deliberately left out the introduction , foundation and basis to the remaining passage where Jesus speaking to His disciples said:

Luk 22:35:
"And he said to them, When I sent you without purse, and money, and shoes, lacked you any thing? And they said, Nothing."

The Disciples response:
The Disciples lacked NOTHING!

Because, this was the Eve of Jesus Crucifixion, Jesus was telling them that they would be responsible for their own PROVISION, their own PROTECTION because He (Jesus) would be COUNTED amongst the TRANSGRESSORS (Criminals) according to the Scriptures.

Luk 22:37:
"For I say to you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end."


What do you say, AntiChristian?

AntiChristian:


Abeg which tafsir are you using?
Is it not the same context of the Bible?

Possibly each may have two swords!
And it was one of the sword used to cut one of the soldiers ear!

Just like the Cushite sword of God in old testament!

AntiChristian:
Luke 22:36-38

It is very funny as well as pathetic the way Christians tend to twist the bible and end up giving themselves headache. according to the gospel of Luke 22:36-38;
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Jesus ordered his disciples to sell their garments if they have no sword, the sword were later presented to him. Different christian with different holy spirit give the verses different interpretations. Many claim the sword as used in those verses does not mean a literal sword but a word of God.

Funny enough, a disciple of Jesus cut off one of the soldiers ear with a sword...erhm erhm, no, with a word of God. You may wonder how a word of God is sharp enough to cut off someone's ear except it is a sword in actual sense. The disciples had words at the command of Jesus who was making defensive plans against his enemies. There is no way Peter could have held a sword without Jesus knowing, he must have at a point in time seen him with it. It may baffle someone as to why Jesus cautioned Paul that anyone who kills by the sword shall be killed by the sword. This gets more interesting, was Jesus saying anyone who kills with word of God shall die by word of God?

Jesus was a good planner and strategist as we can see how he refused to walk in Judea to avoid being killed to his prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. The disciples had few swords, Jesus, seeing how armed and dangerous the Roman soldiers looked like, he knew few swords would do nothing. So, to be on a safer side, he needs caution peter.

One can imagine the confused look peter might have worn. He would be like, 'if anyone who kills by sword shall die by sword, why ask us to get swords?

They accuse Muslims of twisting their scriptures when in reality, they are the twisters.

By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
http://knowislam.com.ng/luke-2236-38-by-bashir-lucas.../

Steep:
Did you read any where in the bible when they used it?
Jesus said one sword is enough which definitely was never for battle but a lesson Jesus was teaching them.

TenQ:

Possibly each has two swords!?

See how you MANUFACTURE CONJECTURES: You use the words possibly and may in the same sentence!? LOL!
So, you are not sure? How then can we take you seriously?

Effect of watching too much Indian movies!


I challenge you:
Please show us where the text says " they had two swords each?"

AntiChristian:

Matthew said Jesus said:
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:34

So Jesus didn't bring one sword as in literally "a sword"! One sword can't destroy the world but many swords!

Just as it was in the old testament:
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD.
Zephaniah 2:12

Father and son having swords ain't no big deal right steep?

AntiChristian:


Yes, to cut off ear in defending Jesus!

It's for protection!

TenQ:


So, it's no more about possibly and maybe the Disciples had a pair of swords each. It is about Matt 10:34?

Unfortunately, if you had read the Matt 10 you would have understood the context of what Jesus was speaking about.

It is WE Christians that would be massacred and slaughtered by people like you in the name of Allah: Our peace would be taken away because of your sword

Therefore:
Mat 10:16:
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the middle of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

In this dangerous world, Christians are like sheep in the middle of wolves of Atheists and Islamic terrorists

Mat 10:17:
"But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will whip you in their synagogues;"


In this troubled world, Christians would be arrested and brought to face judgement by people like you who think they serve the God

Mat 10:21-22:
"And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved."


Even in our house holds we Christians would be BETRAYED to be sentenced to execution by people like you Muslims. And we Christians shall be HATED because of Jesus



Mat 10:28:
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

But as Christians we should not fear for our lives because the worst you can do is to kill our body. Jesus says we should rather fear God.


Mat 10:22:
"And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved."



Jesus tells us that we shall be HATED of all men because of Him.


Yes, Jesus did not come to bring peace but sword AND we His Disciples are at the recieving end



My challenge is still pending:
Please show us where the text says " they had two swords each?"

Steep:
And what did Jesus say to the one who cut off the ear?

AntiChristian:


So it's about "context" now and not interlinear?




Quote the sword verse with your interlinear Bible first! Desist from contextual meaning from now on! If you want to be mad be mad fully. Don't become mad and sane later only to become mad once more

TenQ:

LOL!
The Ball is in Your Court sir!

Don't you find it interesting that most chapters of the Qur'an are not coherent on a theme or topic?

No body asked you not to translate in contex. Only retain the meaning of the verse

The Ball is in Your Court sir!

AntiChristian:


Theme?
Na humans dey do theme!

When humans write they consider theme, plot, etc!

Not God!

AntiChristian:


He did a "Damage control" of course!

AntiChristian:


Theme?
Na humans dey do theme!

When humans write they consider theme, plot, etc!

Not God!

Steep:
Is it true that your prophet was a robber and a bandit?

Steep:

Jesus healed the man, and no record of the disciples ever using the sword again.

AntiChristian:


No, he wasn't and that's false!

AntiChristian:


Yes, no record but that does not mean it didn't happen!
Jesus shit throughout his life and it wasn't recorded! Not even once!

Steep:

How do you know since it is not recorded mind you "shit" is part of the normal biological function of the human body.

Rather it is on record Jesus corrected Peter, so Peter learned better.

AntiChristian:


This shows not everything is recorded! Can you tell me what happened to Jesus when he was around 20-27 years old?

Steep:

Iike how Mohammad raped a 9 years old girl?

AntiChristian:


If he didn't rape anyone may you be cursed for that lie! May lies always testify against you as you make this lie above.

Aamin.

AntiChristian:
Luke 22:36-38

It is very funny as well as pathetic the way Christians tend to twist the bible and end up giving themselves headache. according to the gospel of Luke 22:36-38;
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Jesus ordered his disciples to sell their garments if they have no sword, the sword were later presented to him. Different christian with different holy spirit give the verses different interpretations. Many claim the sword as used in those verses does not mean a literal sword but a word of God.

Funny enough, a disciple of Jesus cut off one of the soldiers ear with a sword...erhm erhm, no, with a word of God. You may wonder how a word of God is sharp enough to cut off someone's ear except it is a sword in actual sense. The disciples had words at the command of Jesus who was making defensive plans against his enemies. There is no way Peter could have held a sword without Jesus knowing, he must have at a point in time seen him with it. It may baffle someone as to why Jesus cautioned Paul that anyone who kills by the sword shall be killed by the sword. This gets more interesting, was Jesus saying anyone who kills with word of God shall die by word of God?

Jesus was a good planner and strategist as we can see how he refused to walk in Judea to avoid being killed to his prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. The disciples had few swords, Jesus, seeing how armed and dangerous the Roman soldiers looked like, he knew few swords would do nothing. So, to be on a safer side, he needs caution peter.

One can imagine the confused look peter might have worn. He would be like, 'if anyone who kills by sword shall die by sword, why ask us to get swords?

They accuse Muslims of twisting their scriptures when in reality, they are the twisters.

By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
http://knowislam.com.ng/luke-2236-38-by-bashir-lucas.../

Steep:

Where is the lie? Can a6 year girl give consent?
May the curse be upon Mohammad and his moon god Allah

Ken4Christ:


Did any of the disciple of Jesus kill anyone with sword?

Did they force Christianity on anyone with sword?

Did they even attempt to defend themselves with sword when they were arrested and some martyred?

Swords are for many purposes.

You can defend yourself against an attack from wild animals with swords.

If Jesus wanted his disciples to fight back with swords, he won't heal the man whose ear was cut off with Peter's sword.

Go and defend yourself in a post that is trending by TenQ.

AntiChristian:


You'll soon start seeing the manifest of the curse except no be lie!

AntiChristian:
Luke 22:36-38

It is very funny as well as pathetic the way Christians tend to twist the bible and end up giving themselves headache. according to the gospel of Luke 22:36-38;
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Jesus ordered his disciples to sell their garments if they have no sword, the sword were later presented to him. Different christian with different holy spirit give the verses different interpretations. Many claim the sword as used in those verses does not mean a literal sword but a word of God.

Funny enough, a disciple of Jesus cut off one of the soldiers ear with a sword...erhm erhm, no, with a word of God. You may wonder how a word of God is sharp enough to cut off someone's ear except it is a sword in actual sense. The disciples had words at the command of Jesus who was making defensive plans against his enemies. There is no way Peter could have held a sword without Jesus knowing, he must have at a point in time seen him with it. It may baffle someone as to why Jesus cautioned Paul that anyone who kills by the sword shall be killed by the sword. This gets more interesting, was Jesus saying anyone who kills with word of God shall die by word of God?

Jesus was a good planner and strategist as we can see how he refused to walk in Judea to avoid being killed to his prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. The disciples had few swords, Jesus, seeing how armed and dangerous the Roman soldiers looked like, he knew few swords would do nothing. So, to be on a safer side, he needs caution peter.

One can imagine the confused look peter might have worn. He would be like, 'if anyone who kills by sword shall die by sword, why ask us to get swords?

They accuse Muslims of twisting their scriptures when in reality, they are the twisters.

By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
http://knowislam.com.ng/luke-2236-38-by-bashir-lucas.../