ukaface:
I don’t understand
Churches set targets for the number of souls to be brought to the church? Really?😮🙄
They do that now?waaawuu

Dey play. They set monthly financial targets for pastors. A Pastor of a church in Living Faith for example must remit a particular amount of money to the headquarters by the end of the month, and he'll be on probation if he fails, maybe even get sacked if he continues to fail to meet the targets.

That's why they preach "bring money to pastor" every Sunday.

jesusjnr2020:
Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish

Ever since I became born-again and began to walk closely with God, I have always thought the practice of setting attendance or financial targets by churches and their leaders for those under their leadership was erroneous.

I believed it was a worldly practice that had nothing to do with God, hence if the church embraced such it would only end up derailing the church from its original values and standard.

I once had a friend who was a dedicated member of Christ Embassy, one of the denominations guilty of this practice, so when this topic came up during our conversations, I expressed my disapproval of such a policy in the church. But despite being a very devoted and committed member of the Church, he honestly admitted that such targets made him to start preaching what he ought not when he held a leadership position under the church.

He bowed to the pressure of meeting such targets set for him by his leaders and began preaching something else which he thought would enable him meet those targets when preaching the right thing couldn't.

I wasn't much surprised though about that because I knew very well that such was inevitable, considering that such targets were worldly and not of God, so it was only going to lead to compromising and going contrary to the things of God, since the things of this world were opposed to the things of God.

This is the same kind of targets set by some financial institutions to their employees that would make them to start going to ridiculous lengths, including sleeping with some of their clients, to meet them.

This is what has being embraced by a significant part of the church which ought to be in this world but not to the world.

That's why I don't get impressed with the mammoth crowds attending some churches and the amount of money they generate as a result.

It's much easier to achieve similar results by preaching the nonsense people want to hear rather than the Truth and Words of the Spirit.

If it were by preaching rubbish as it is the case in most of such churches, many of the disciples who left Jesus because of the Words of the Spirit He preached, would have never left Him.

They would have remained in the church at the expense of spiritual quality, which is more or less the result of the church we have today.

That's why I don't judge a church by the amount of members or riches they have, but how much they follow the example and teachings of Christ, because that's the only true standard that determines how successful a church is in the sight of God.

God bless.

I expected you to back up your epistle with examples of the rubbish he purportedly began to preach so we can comment objectively. Do the needful please.

jesusjnr2020:
Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish

Ever since I became born-again and began to walk closely with God, I have always thought the practice of setting attendance or financial targets by churches and their leaders for those under their leadership was erroneous.



God bless.

I quite agree with you as regards the financial standards, but I disagree in that of attendance..
The perfect will of God is for all mankind to be saved, even our Lord Jesus told His disciples when He departed the earth to go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. This meant that He expected them to win souls through the help of the Holy Spirit.
The problem isn't in the population standard, but in the way they go about trying to achieve it.

OkCornel:
You cannot serve God and mammon…

Unfortunately, we now know who these “churches” are truly serving…

Hi bro. What's up? Good morning.

What you said is true
I have a lot to say sha but the Bible says that we should not leave the Ancient Landmark that our fathers have set up.Remove not the ancient landmark, which your fathers have set. -- Proverbs 22:28

The move of God is determined by our action to return back to the path of Ancient Christianity. It is not by mere saying it. If we are saying we should return by words and we do not backup our words with deliberate actions to return to the ways of our Fathers in the Faith, we are not yet ready. What many Christians are practicing now is modern Christianity; we are neglecting the Ancient Christianity that the early apostles and Fathers in the Faith have established, for modern form of Christianity. God cannot be modernized. Malachi 3:6 says that He change not. God cannot change. Even His Son, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Hebrews 13:8 so why should we change our pattern of Christianity to the modern day taste? Why are we forsaking the Ancient path of Christianity?

We are actually avoiding the move of God if we refuse to return or if we are reluctant to return back to the Ancient Landmark. The Ancient Landmark is the platform on which the early Apostles and Fathers of Faith operated Christianity upon which made them to see and experience the RAW POWER OF GOD. The Ancient Landmark is a platform for "PRACTICAL" Christianity.
The manifestation of the power of God is largely depending on the practical decisions and deliberate actions of a generation to move from the modern Christianity to Ancient Christianity.
Isaiah 30:21 says, "...this is the way, walk ye in it....." The way is the Ancient Path of Christianity. We are advised to walk in it.
Walk in the ways of the believers of Old. Walk in the ways of our Fathers of Faith. Walk in the ways of the Early Apostles.

Shalom.

Emaprince:
You are contradicting your self though.

Your last line is exactly what he was trying to pass across.

The whole target thing was designed to win more members which translates to financial influx.

Most churches only preach about breakthrough which pleases audiences. That's when they shout the most amen. Or preach about women getting married this year and watch them shout a deafening amen.

But preach only about lifestyles that will earn you a place in heaven..and watch your congregation get reduced drastically. People don't want you to tell them that they are making money the wrong way..and might end up in hell for it. They want you to tell them that this year they will become millionaires. Women don't want to hear you talking about the way they dress these days in their endless quest for attention from opposite sex. Just tell them that one's dress style doesn't matter, it is what she has in her heart. Lol.

Define rubbish.

AutoConsult:

Dey play. They set monthly financial targets for pastors. A Pastor of a church in Living Faith for example must remit a particular amount of money to the headquarters by the end of the month, and he'll be on probation if he fails, maybe even get sacked if he continues to fail to meet the targets.

That's why they preach "bring money to pastor" every Sunday.

Nawa o
If I tell you say this thing no shock me na lie I Dey lie

Majesty7:


"And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself. Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers."

He still didn't say you need a pastor to access God. Can you explain further? Thank you

Nobody says you need a pastor to do so..
I have a way I understand my own things oo....
Wen people talk, I listen to the motive behind the talk, not the talk.....

That bros is this category of believers who believe pastors are being worshipped too much and because of that they stopped going to church.....he is in the category of "know God for yourself, you don't need a pastor"
@bolded is exactly what I believe he wanted to say in the post, not what he wrote....that's why I brought that scripture.

Well, I don't like being quick to conclude, I no dey de guy mind.....I'm just using logic to understand his heart Intent.

enthronedbyGod1:


I quite agree with you as regards the financial standards, but I disagree in that of attendance..
The perfect will of God is for all mankind to be saved, even our Lord Jesus told His disciples when He departed the earth to go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. This meant that He expected them to win souls through the help of the Holy Spirit.
The problem isn't in the population standard, but in the way they go about trying to achieve it.

I don't agree with you because that goes contrary to the example and teachings of Christ since Christ never did that or encouraged such.

Instructing them to preach the Gospel is not the same thing as setting attendance targets. It's like saying man plants... and man gives or determines the increase, not God. It's not up to man to determine that except to follow the example and teaching of Jesus including preaching the Gospel as He instructed us to do. That alone should be the target. Anything else like setting result or attendance targets is misguided and could only lead to compromising that target because preaching of the Gospel doesn guarantee winning of souls.

There are some places Jesus Himself preached and they wanted to stone Him. Some, the whole nation embraced Him. Hence the result of our preaching shouldn't be our priority but to preach the Gospel otherwise we may get discouraged and lose the real target.

Thanks for sharing your view though. God bless you.

Majesty7:


Where do you get the preaching that wining souls should increase financial remittance of a church? No insult, we are all here to learn

It's not a question of preaching alone but logic.
Any soul that's added to the church will contribute his quota to the church financially. Will that not increase the church's finances

jesusjnr2020:
Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish

Ever since I became born-again and began to walk closely with God, I have always thought the practice of setting attendance or financial targets by churches and their leaders for those under their leadership was erroneous.

I believed it was a worldly practice that had nothing to do with God, hence if the church embraced such it would only end up derailing the church from its original values and standard.

I once had a friend who was a dedicated member of Christ Embassy, one of the denominations guilty of this practice, so when this topic came up during our conversations, I expressed my disapproval of such a policy in the church. But despite being a very devoted and committed member of the Church, he honestly admitted that such targets made him to start preaching what he ought not when he held a leadership position under the church.

He bowed to the pressure of meeting such targets set for him by his leaders and began preaching something else which he thought would enable him meet those targets when preaching the right thing couldn't.

I wasn't much surprised though about that because I knew very well that such was inevitable, considering that such targets were worldly and not of God, so it was only going to lead to compromising and going contrary to the things of God, since the things of this world were opposed to the things of God.

This is the same kind of targets set by some financial institutions to their employees that would make them to start going to ridiculous lengths, including sleeping with some of their clients, to meet them.

This is what has being embraced by a significant part of the church which ought to be in this world but not to the world.

That's why I don't get impressed with the mammoth crowds attending some churches and the amount of money they generate as a result.

It's much easier to achieve similar results by preaching the nonsense people want to hear rather than the Truth and Words of the Spirit.

If it were by preaching rubbish as it is the case in most of such churches, many of the disciples who left Jesus because of the Words of the Spirit He preached, would have never left Him.

They would have remained in the church at the expense of spiritual quality, which is more or less the result of the church we have today.

That's why I don't judge a church by the amount of members or riches they have, but how much they follow the example and teachings of Christ, because that's the only true standard that determines how successful a church is in the sight of God.

God bless.

You're bringing out a point BUT the problem with many of you critics is that you will NEVER produce the IDEAL system that you crave. When are you going to establish your own PERFECT church at least to show these 'wrong' ones?
Tallk, they say, is cheap.
#EnuOse #AriwoKoNiMusic

GreatAchiever1:


I think you misunderstood, but I agree with him, the text there said to equip them in the building up of the body of Christ and not to take you to have access to God, that was the work of the priest in the old testament which is no longer valid because Christ became our high priest and we Christian being dead and risen in Christ becomes a royal priesthood through Christ hence we have Avenue at any time or place to access God through Christ.

I didn't misunderstand him...
I feel that bros wan talk something, wey em no talk well....na my thought o....I didn't say God told me
That my scriptural reference is a response to what he was saying, but didn't say...😂(abeg ah no wan confuse u o)

Well, what I'm saying is, the bros is probably in the category of the "Know God for yourself, you don't need a pastor"

And na wetin em wan talk, but em no talk am...

A born again child of God attacking a particular church? Let me tell you something, that same Christ Embassy many will make heaven. Who made you a judge of another man's servant? To his master he stands or fall.

FirmTR:


Target for what exactly, is the church a business enterprise? Winning souls is by the grace of God and the willingness of your prospert.

So, there is no reason to mandate someone to meet a target.

What you're contending is simply doctrinal. There's nothing in the Bible that says setting a target for a pastor is wrong.
The Bible makes it clear there are different crowns for those who win souls based on the number they win. So if a church decides the strategy it employs for carrying out the great commission is to set targets for soul winning for her pastors, how is that worldly?

I knew the bubble-bust is inevitable. How do you hoodwink people of 10% every fvcking time. You can only fool the people for a while before you're exposed.

AutoConsult:

Dey play. They set monthly financial targets for pastors. A Pastor of a church in Living Faith for example must remit a particular amount of money to the headquarters by the end of the month, and he'll be on probation if he fails, maybe even get sacked if he continues to fail to meet the targets.

That's why they preach "bring money to pastor" every Sunday.

This is a lie. How many living faith churches have you gone to where they preach money every Sunday.
Fear God na

ukaface:

Aaaaaahhhhhhh😮😮😮are you kidding?
How come I’ve never heard of this?
I can’t wrap my head around this information wey I don hear this morning o, for inside church?
It is well with them and their targets o

any pastor reading this knows I'm telling the truth.

mu2sa2:
I knew the bubble-bust is inevitable. How do you hoodwink people of 10% every fvcking time. You can only fool the people for a while before you're exposed.

When will the bubble of paying zakat burst?
Hypocritical islamist

Kukutenla:

It's not a question of preaching alone but logic.
Any soul that's added to the church will contribute his quota to the church financially. Will that not increase the church's finances

You got it all wrong. That is why they Lay heavy burden on their congregations. There is already a curse for that in the scripture.

Calling someone to salvation doesn't mean you milking them. Infact it calls for more responsibility for the church and not the other way round.

Study your scripture and don't do contrary to what is being taught by Christ. We pray God reveal himself the more to us

Menclothing:
What is your business with your friends goals and target live your life

Target without Jesus should not be followed

But Fulani killer herdsmen are striving day by day destroying lives and properties without any form of confrontation from the person who are supposed to safeguard the nation which is their primary obligations

blahc007:


I didn't misunderstand him...
I feel that bros wan talk something, wey em no talk well....na my thought o....I didn't say God told me
That my scriptural reference is a response to what he was saying, but didn't say...😂(abeg ah no wan confuse u o)

Well, what I'm saying is, the bros is probably in the category of the "Know God for yourself, you don't need a pastor"

And na wetin em wan talk, but em no talk am...

Maybe, maybe not, but sadly people are coming to that phrase because of what so called men of God have turned the gospel into, I don't subscribe to that category. The pastor is still very much needed in the church especially one who speaks the gospel in grace and truth but sadly, they are very rare to find especially in Nigeria.

No worry, you no confuse me, I just wan clarify something.

HomeTutorsPro:
You are born again and you are attacking a particular church?
You need to check your birth again 'cos I think the placenta didn't drop.
The issue of rubbish teaching is a characteristic of all religious organisations.
Religion is focused on mind control by default.
You can't condemn one church and vindicate another. Mosques are not left out.
A lot of churches operate a franchise.
Sign an agreement, open a church in their name, and deliver a certain amount monthly.
If you fail, they take over your church.
Until Christians understand that they don't need no pastor to access God, the nonsense continues.

Oh! I never knew a born again Christian must be silent about wickedness going on in the body of Christ. Please you need to school us more.

Majesty7:


You got it all wrong. That is why they Lay heavy burden on their congregations. There is already a curse for that in the scripture.

Calling someone to salvation doesn't mean you milking them. Infact it calls for more responsibility for the church and not the other way round.

Study your scripture and don't do contrary to what is being taught by Christ. We pray God reveal himself the more to us

Sorry Sir, are you a Christian? Even a baby Christian knows paying tithes and offerings is a responsibility for every member. If you have 20 members and they pay 1000 each as tithes. If God adds 5 members to the church and those 5 pay 500 each. Has the church finances improved or not?
Can you quote the scripture you're referring to that negates above.
As I have pointed out, the op is very wrong. The issue of setting target is doctrinal and I don't see how he's in a position to be judging a church's doctrine based on his personal standards.

Kukutenla:

Sorry Sir, are you a Christian? Even a baby Christian knows paying tithes and offerings is a responsibility for every member. If you have 20 members and they pay 1000 each as tithes. If God adds 5 members to the church and those 5 pay 500 each. Has the church finances improved or not?
Can you quote the scripture you're referring to that negates above.
As I have pointed out, the op is very wrong. The issue of setting target is doctrinal and I don't see how he's in a position to be judging a church's doctrine based on his personal standards.

That is why it is no longer a church but a business center hence the force to have more members. That shows winning soul is just for their own gains.

I am Christian. A follower of Christ.

If you are a follower of Christ, his teachings won't sound odd to you. Thank you

Menclothing:
What is your business with your friends goals and target live your life

Target without Jesus should not be followed

you mean the British Jesus ☺️ the religion is a things of man not god -- god give law while man give religion

HomeTutorsPro:
You are born again and you are attacking a particular church?
You need to check your birth again 'cos I think the placenta didn't drop.
The issue of rubbish teaching is a characteristic of all religious organisations.
Religion is focused on mind control by default.
You can't condemn one church and vindicate another. Mosques are not left out.
A lot of churches operate a franchise.
Sign an agreement, open a church in their name, and deliver a certain amount monthly.
If you fail, they take over your church.
Until Christians understand that they don't need no pastor to access God, the nonsense continues.

The problem here is that you didn't either read to understand or you are beclounded by religious understanding, what he has said its not an attack but a call to correction, two different approach

jesusjnr2020:
John 6:60-66 (KJV)

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Apt!

jesusjnr2020:
Hi bro. What's up? Good morning.

Been a while bro, happy Sunday.

How’re you doing?

OkCornel:


Been a while bro, happy Sunday.

How’re you doing?

Fine, thanks and you?

Those are the kind of churches u see an usher sleeping with several girls in same church. it has become a social gathering.

They do not worship God they worship mammon. Anytime i see a church glorifying money or material possessions I get irritated.

It ok to have those things in abundance, God gives them bt they are the least important of things and should be seen as so.

RecentHistory:
This is what made Christ Embassy ladies the cheapest commodities back then in the University.

They believe that one should do everything humanly possible to bring people to church, including seduction if necessary.

I know also that both redeem and winners churches also set target for the amount of money their branches must be paying in, and many other churches are doing same, but these should not discourage people from looking to do the right thing, the problem is that people are so empty that they will not see that they are in the wrong places, one thing clear is that wherever these types of things happening, there is no spirit of God there, because TRUE Christians are left by the spirit of Jesus, no TRUE Christian will be comfortable in such places, and I am not among THOSE that advertise for churches, I believe that God will lead any sincere person to the right church, no one invited me to where I worship now and this nonsense doesn't happen there

Actually the richer and more populated a church is the more suspicious they are to me