AntiChristian:
A trinitarian Christian is one to whom his thinking and beliefs are directly or indirectly same to one who is pantheistic or panentheistic, deistic, polytheistic, or anthropomorphic hence entirely different from a rational, logical thinking Muslim whose belief his based on " La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah"

There is no deity worthy of worship except ALLAH and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

Argue with Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29, Isaiah 43 :11 Posted Originally by Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Kobojunkie:
There exists absolutely no relationship between the God of Scripture and Allah of Quran so both should not be referenced as though they even agree on anything. .

AntiChristian:
■ You are wrong! And God is just one and indivisible sha!

AntiChristian:
Christians should know that Islam is against any idea of God being anthropomorphic. It is something we cannot imagine to believe and even if we were to agree, we would agree to disagree.
The doctrine of God becoming man is what Christians claim non - Christians wouldn't be able to fathom unless we possess a spirit, a spirit best know to them.

As a theist, I find it preposterous, insulting and blasphemous to imagine, think and then believe that God who created the whole universe, the complex humans, the fishes, animals etc. will come down to eat, be circumcised, suffer in the hands of men and then crucified even though the Bible isn't specific about the time their God turned man was executed.

A trinitarian Christian is one to whom his thinking and beliefs are directly or indirectly same to one who is pantheistic or panentheistic, deistic, polytheistic, or anthropomorphic hence entirely different from a rational, logical thinking Muslim whose belief his based on " La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah"

There is no deity worthy of worship except ALLAH and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

Argue with Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29, Isaiah 43 :11

Posted Originally by Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Kobojunkie:
There exists absolutely no relationship between the God of Scripture and Allah of Quran so both should not be referenced as though they even agree on anything. .

Kobojunkie:
You are told that the God of Spiriture is not the same entity as the Allah of the Quran. The evidence of this stares you smack in the face daily.

TenQ:

Fisiryorh:
■ Abraham is the father of Ismael in which the Muslims come from and Abraham is also the father Issac of which Christians come from...
■ Do not follow the fuçked up ideologies and hatered in which your fore fathers bore(if u Muslim or Christian, e no concern me) and learn to embrace peace amongst all okay...
■ After all, Abraham na our grand papa and he served God....so we all connected to God Almighty okay.. Peace..🕊️🙏🏾

AntiChristian:
What is the definition of scripture?
A- Paul's ten plus letters.
B. Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
C. Other Disciples' Books.
D. Apocrypha.
E. Old Canon/Covenant.
F. All of the above.
G. None of the Above.
Anyways, Allah is not the same as your three in one God! He is just one like i said!

TenQ:

SMH!

How about the Islamic view of God


Muslims are quick to claim that Allah is Indescribable and that nothing can be compared with him. This argument is used especially when they try to show that Allah cannot incarnate into a human form as claimed by Christians that God the Word became a Human incarnate as Christ Jesus.

Here, I want to show how Allah is indeed indescribable through his many shapes.

1. Allah: who has two Right Hands on his right shoulder

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that:
The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381
Graduation: Sahih

Here we see that one of the distinguishing characteristics is that Allah does NOT have a left hand but he has two hands BOTH on his right shoulder. You will note that apart from in birth defects, there is no being like this.

The Origin of this hadith:
The Jews were found of tricking Mohammed with bogus narrations from their religion which the unlearned Mohammed will incorporate into his religion. This is one of them. They described to Mohammed the power of God and Mohammed added even to their narratives

2. Allah: with proper Left and Right Hands

Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying:
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?
Sahih Muslim 2788a: Book 52, Hadith 7
Graduation: Sahih


Here we see that sometimes, Allah can have his two hands on both his left and right shoulders especially on the day of judgement. In other words, except Mohammed is fabricating narrations about Allah, Muslims should be confused about recognizing their Allah.

3. Allah: who looks like the Da'jjal (with the exception of the eye)

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani


It is amazing that Mohammed did not compare the false Messiah with the real Messiah. He compared Da'jjal with Allah AND it seems that the basic difference is that Allah is not one eyed. The Da'jjal is short, fat AND one eyed

4. Allah: who is a Young Man
Mohammed claimed:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green dress."

Narrator: [/b]Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
[b]Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah,
page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference


Let me also give you the Arabic link
https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH

Here Mohammed compared his Allah with a YOUNG man with curly hair. Who are those Muslims still insisting that there is nothing comparable to Allah! Is it their wishful thinking?

5. Allah: who is yet Unknown but another form with covered a "shin"

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
....

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
...
Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say , 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.
.....


Here we see Allah coming to Muslims in ANOTHER shape which Muslims feel is beneath Allah . If not because Allah showed the Muslim his legs, they would have rejected their God.

Conclusion:
You can see that it seems the reason why Allah is Indescribable is simply because he transforms into several shapes and forms so that it is difficult to pin him down to one shape



I humbly ask my Muslim friend to help me answer these questions
Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

AntiChristian:


You should create your thread on that!

TenQ:


This one is for you!

I have shown you clearly that in Islam, Allah is described VERY anthropomorphically!

Kobojunkie:
Abraham is also father of several other kids but that doesn't mean that everything his kids were up to were somehow endorsed by God as a result of their relationship with Abraham, does it?

2. This ain't about following a fked up ideology but about opening one's mind to what is declared as Truth by God Himself, and not by some man. I don't need to embrace the man-made delusion of peace as I would rather embrace the facts as they present themselves.

3. Abraham is not a grandfather to everyone. He is only related to those who are descended from him.

Kobojunkie:
Let's start with F. (all of the above) for now and then widdle it down to the common facts, particularly that which came down through the prophets and Jesus Christ.

Fisiryorh:
■ Love point 3 the most.. Meaning both Muslims and Christians are related..shikena 👍🏾

Kobojunkie:
Related in what sense?

AntiChristian:
■ I knew you will never know which option to pick!

AntiChristian:

What is the definition of scripture?
A- Paul's ten plus letters.
B. Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
C. Other Disciples' Books.
D. Apocrypha.
E. Old Canon/Covenant.
F. All of the above.
G. None of the Above.
Anyways, Allah is not the same as your three in one God! He is just one like i said!

Fisiryorh:
■ Oga, just go and look for akamu to drink and stop over carrying religious matter on ya head... Drink the yellow akamu and worry about your own salvation okay..Peace

Kobojunkie:
Well, you go back through and tell me exactly which of the options would constitute your understanding of what is Scripture.

According to the prophets, Jesus Christ as well, Scripture refers to every Word out of God's mouth. And if you look, His Word is referenced somewhere in many of those options listed above hence the reason why I insist we start with all of the above. It was not the case that I didn't know the option to pick but rather that in your lack of understanding, you though you could tear Scripture in pieces your way.

AntiChristian:
It's your scripture not mine! The ball is in your court!
What %age of your whole scripture is God's word?
Paul wrote about 14 Letters and Epistles out of 28 Books of the New Testament!

Please discuss the Original Post!

Kobojunkie:
Well, you go back through and tell me exactly which of the options would constitute your understanding of what is Scripture. According to the prophets, Jesus Christ as well, Scripture refers to every Word out of God's mouth. And if you look, His Word is referenced somewhere in many of those options listed above hence the reason why I insist we start with all of the above. It was not the case that I didn't know the option to pick but rather that in your lack of understanding, you though you could tear Scripture in pieces your way.

AntiChristian:
Christians should know that Islam is against any idea of God being anthropomorphic. It is something we cannot imagine to believe and even if we were to agree, we would agree to disagree.
The doctrine of God becoming man is what Christians claim non - Christians wouldn't be able to fathom unless we possess a spirit, a spirit best know to them.

As a theist, I find it preposterous, insulting and blasphemous to imagine, think and then believe that God who created the whole universe, the complex humans, the fishes, animals etc. will come down to eat, be circumcised, suffer in the hands of men and then crucified even though the Bible isn't specific about the time their God turned man was executed.

A trinitarian Christian is one to whom his thinking and beliefs are directly or indirectly same to one who is pantheistic or panentheistic, deistic, polytheistic, or anthropomorphic hence entirely different from a rational, logical thinking Muslim whose belief his based on " La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah"

There is no deity worthy of worship except ALLAH and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

Argue with Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29, Isaiah 43 :11

Posted Originally by Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

AntiChristian:


When you are ready you'll create your thread!

AntiChristian:
[b][color=#770077]Christians should know that Islam is against any idea of God being anthropomorphic. It is something we cannot imagine to believe and even if we were to agree, we would agree to disagree.
The doctrine of God becoming man is what Christians claim non - Christians wouldn't be able to fathom unless we possess a spirit, a spirit best know to them.

As a theist, I find it preposterous, insulting and blasphemous to imagine, think and then believe that God who created the whole universe, the complex humans, the fishes, animals etc. will come down to eat, be circumcised, suffer in the hands of men and then crucified even though the Bible isn't specific about the time their God turned man was executed....

TenQ:

SMH!

1. Allah: who has two Right Hands on his right shoulder
...

Dtruthspeaker:


Allah has 2 right hands? That is clearly a birth defect.

Dtruthspeaker:


No Christian compels you to agree but the most important thing is that A King a right to determine how He shall visit His domain and how He shall relate with His Subjects.

It is God's Right whether you like it or not!

TenQ:

Escapist strategy as usual!

Humans have hands, Allah has hands!
Humans have shin, Allah has shin!
Allah looks like the Da'jjal with the exception that he has two eyes like humans!

Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

advocatejare:
AntiChristian does Lucas know the concept of Allah of. Islam? That Allah can be imagined and Allah is a mere shin?


“The Day the shin will be uncovered and they are invited to prostration but the disbelievers will not be able,"
(QS. Al-Qalam 68: Verse 42)

Kobojunkie:
Again, As for your original, Scripture clearly depicts the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as different from the Allah of the Quran.

AntiChristian:


Open Your thread!