Maynmann:

Spatial Dimension can only affect us, we if there are higher dimensions that can’t be of the same material like us “matter”.
We need 3D for basic directions in which we can move are up/down, left/right, and forward/backward.
Now if there are higher dimensions and they are not us why do they need to move up/down, left/right, and forward/backward?

Please, first read "Flatland"!
Then my introduction (first page)

It seems we are speaking different things

A person in any particular dimension cannot comprehend anything above his dimension

TenQ:

Please, first read "Flatland"!
Then my introduction (first page)

It seems we are speaking different things

A person in any just particular dimension cannot comprehend anything above his dimension

There can’t be a person in any just particular dimension.
For there to be a person it requires height, width and length.
You made example of 2D and 1D, is a paper and a Dot “persons”?

Maynmann:

There can’t be a person in any just particular dimension.
For there to be a person it requires height, width and length.
You made example of 2D and 1D, is a paper and a Dot “persons”?

Okay!

TenQ:

Please, first read "Flatland"!
Then my introduction (first page)

It seems we are speaking different things

A person in any particular dimension cannot comprehend anything above his dimension

Your attempts at placing your god and other supernatural nonsense into “higher dimensions” blinds you to the fact that anyone can place anything they can’t prove in “higher dimensions”. For instance, leprechauns are 5D beings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGv8MMi8QO0&pp=ygUJZmxhdCBsYW5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avMX-Zft7K4&pp=ygUJZmxhdCBsYW5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wv0vxVRGMY&pp=ygUJZmxhdCBsYW5k

TenQ:

Okay!

Heard of “Monad”?
I don’t think any “supernatural being” will be any more complex because more dimensions mean more complexity, rather they will be the simplest thing ever like a dot where dimensions originate from.

KnownUnknown:


Your attempts at placing your god and other supernatural nonsense into “higher dimensions” blinds you to the fact that anyone can place anything they can’t prove in “higher dimensions”. For instance, leprechauns are 5D beings.

All you need to do is understand the difference in complexity between 2D and 3D then use your imagination to work out the difference between 3D and the elusive 4D or higher. A lower dimension is just a tiny "slice" of the higher dimension

Maynmann:

Heard of “Monad”?
I don’t think any “supernatural being” will be any more complex because more dimensions mean more complexity, rather they will be the simplest thing ever like a dot where dimensions originate from.

No sir.
A lower dimension is technically infinite levels below the next higher dimensions.

TenQ:

Thank you.

I've been enjoying my discussion with intelligent guys on this thread!

It's not my fault your ability to comprehend abstract issues is next to Nil!

Since it seem you are incapable of doing some "thought experiments" , what do you expect me to do?

Abstract issues based on misunderstanding are NIL. LoLz.

I expect you to at least understand what you are trying to discuss first before plunging in senselessly.

KnownUnknown:


Your attempts at placing your god and other supernatural nonsense into “higher dimensions” blinds you to the fact that anyone can place anything they can’t prove in “higher dimensions”. For instance, leprechauns are 5D beings.

What I find hilarious is he thinks dimension means realm. LoLz.

LordReed:


Abstract issues based on misunderstanding are NIL. LoLz.

I expect you to at least understand what you are trying to discuss first before plunging in senselessly.

Even though You've said nothing of value let me oblige you.
Now that you are least understand what I was trying to discuss, why don't you make your correction and lead the conversation!

Sorry, I forgot!
You've got nothing to say but you just need to be seen to be talking!

TenQ:

No sir.
A lower dimension is technically infinite levels below the next higher dimensions.

What about no dimensions like a dot?
it is important to clarify what is meant by "lower" and "higher" dimensions. In mathematics and physics, dimensions refer to the number of independent coordinates required to specify a point in a space. In this sense, a lower dimension refers to a space with fewer coordinates needed to describe it, while a higher dimension corresponds to a space with more coordinates.

TenQ:

Everything as unique items within our 3D space that is capable of been Quantified. Example Energy, Matter, Space.

WHAT IS OUR 3D SPACE?

TenQ:

Even though You've said nothing of value let me oblige you.
Now that you are least understand what I was trying to discuss, why don't you make your correction and lead the conversation!

Sorry, I forgot!
You've got nothing to say but you just need to be seen to be talking!

I already told you how to correct your misunderstanding but you continue to wallow in ignorance. LoLz.

Maynmann:

Is everything not a thing?

WHAT SORT OF THING?

Maynmann:

What about no dimensions like a dot?
it is important to clarify what is meant by "lower" and "higher" dimensions. In mathematics and physics, dimensions refer to the number of independent coordinates required to specify a point in a space. In this sense, a lower dimension refers to a space with fewer coordinates needed to describe it, while a higher dimension corresponds to a space with more coordinates.

Check first page of this discuss: I explained each of the dimensions from 0 D to 1D , 2D and 3D. Then I asked a few questions one of which is it ask if higher dimensions like 4D, 5D or 6D is impossible and another is that if extra Dimensions exist over our 3D, would we be able to perceive them!

TenQ:

Check first page of this discuss: I explained each of the dimensions from 0 D to 1D , 2D and 3D. Then I asked a few questions one of which is it ask if higher dimensions like 4D, 5D or 6D is impossible and another is that if extra Dimensions exist over our 3D, would we be able to perceive them!

Your explanations are wrong. Dimensions can occur independently of each other. That’s why i ask what does “dimension” mean.

HellVictorinho6:
WHAT SORT OF THING?

The same one you mentioned here, “why must we say the universe or everything is related to things when everything cannot be mentioned?”

HellVictorinho6:
WHAT IS OUR 3D SPACE?

This is the Spatial coordinates through which energy and forces can interact with matter in our universe!
In Cartesian coordinates, we speak of the x, y and z directions and these three constitute our allowed vector that projects our 3D space.

Maynmann:

Your explanations are wrong. Dimensions can occur independently of each other. That’s why i ask what does “dimension” mean.

Here below is where I specified what I mean by SPATIAL DIMENSIONS



Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space


Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

Maynmann:

The same one you mentioned here, “why must we say the universe or everything is related to things when everything cannot be mentioned?”

how can a thing be related to itself? A relationship is made of more than one.

LordReed:


I already told you how to correct your misunderstanding but you continue to wallow in ignorance. LoLz.

Are you afraid of saying your own view in case you look stupid?

The ball is in your court!

TenQ:


Here below is where I specified what I mean by SPATIAL DIMENSIONS


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Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

a zero-dimensional space does not correspond to an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. Instead, a zero-dimensional space refers to a space that has no dimensions at all.

In a zero-dimensional space, there are no coordinates or directions to describe positions or movements. It is a point-like entity with no extent or size. In this context, a person within a zero-dimensional space would not have any physical attributes or experiences. It is not accurate to say that the person would believe they are alone in the whole universe because concepts like belief and perception are not applicable in a zero-dimensional space.

TenQ:

Are you afraid of saying your own view in case you look stupid?

The ball is in your court!

I already said my view, you are ignorant of what you are trying to discuss. You think science fiction indicates reality and of course I get it, you are really invested in stories. You are just looking for validation but I won't give it to you, when you actually have even a modicum of an idea of what you are trying to discuss then maybe we can but for now you are just stewing in ignorance.

Maynmann:

a zero-dimensional space does not correspond to an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. Instead, a zero-dimensional space refers to a space that has no dimensions at all.

In a zero-dimensional space, there are no coordinates or directions to describe positions or movements. It is a point-like entity with no extent or size. In this context, a person within a zero-dimensional space would not have any physical attributes or experiences. It is not accurate to say that the person would believe they are alone in the whole universe because concepts like belief and perception are not applicable in a zero-dimensional space.

What is the hypothetical size of anything in 0 D?

LordReed:


I already said my view, you are ignorant of what you are trying to discuss. You think science fiction indicates reality and of course I get it, you are really invested in stories. You are just looking for validation but I won't give it to you, when you actually have even a modicum of an idea of what you are trying to discuss then maybe we can but for now you are just stewing in ignorance.

No one has read your views!

You are not confident of yourself!?

TenQ:

What is the hypothetical volume of anything in 0 D?

There is nothing like volume in 0D. If there are no dimensions why do you need volume?

Therefore, in a zero-dimensional space, the concept of volume, which typically refers to the amount of space occupied by an object, is not applicable. The notion of volume arises when we have at least three dimensions to describe the extent of an object in space. In a zero-dimensional context, the concept of volume does not have meaning.

I asked you earlier what is dimension and why is it needed.
dimensions necessary for describing and understanding physical objects. Dimensions provide the framework for measuring and quantifying various aspects of objects and their properties. In the context of physics, dimensions play a crucial role in defining the size, shape, position, and motion of objects.

If the supernatural powers and angels are not physical why do they need to have dimensions talkless of more dimensions?

Maynmaynmayn:

There is nothing like 0D. If there are no dimensions why do you need volume?
I asked you earlier what is dimension and why is it needed.
dimensions necessary for describing and understanding physical objects. Dimensions provide the framework for measuring and quantifying various aspects of objects and their properties. In the context of physics, dimensions play a crucial role in defining the size, shape, position, and motion of objects.

If the supernatural powers and angels are not physical why do they need to have dimensions talkless of more dimensions?

It seems you just want to argue for argument sake. Is there anything as 1D or 2D in the Universe?

The notion of volume arises when we have at least three dimensions to describe the extent of an object in space. In a zero-dimensional context, the concept of volume does not have meaning.

TenQ:

It seems you just want to argue for argument sake. Is there anything as 1D or 2D in the Universe?

You don’t understand what you are saying.

Yes 1D and 2D are used to explain PHYSICAL OBJECTS, if a thing is not a physical object why do they need to have dimensions?