Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a spatial dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space


Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

TenQ:
Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space


Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

Classic example of taking what is supposed to be hypothetical and believing it is real.

LordReed:


Classic example of taking what is supposed to be hypothetical and believing it is real.

Proving that you didn't even read a thing.


No one has argued reality or otherwise!
You have been given p
PHILOSOPHICAL questions to ponder on!

TenQ:

Proving that you didn't even read a thing.


No one has argued reality or otherwise!
You have been given p
PHILOSOPHICAL questions to ponder on!

LoLz. Why lie to yourself? Your very first question is asking us to find it reasonable that higher dimensions exist or you don't understand what you wrote?

LordReed:


LoLz. Why lie to yourself? Your very first question is asking us to find it reasonable that higher dimensions exist or you don't understand what you wrote?

My Questions were simple philosophical questions based on the thought scenarios I've painted. Did you see Jesus or God or Spirit in the Question? (Those may eventually come out but certainly not at this stage). I wonder what is scaring you with the questions?

Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

TenQ:

My Questions were simple philosophical questions based on the thought scenarios I've painted. Did you see Jesus or God or Spirit in the Question? (Those may eventually come out but certainly not at this stage). I wonder what is scaring you with the questions?

Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

LoLz. Where did I mention Jesus or god? You know what you are doing so keep trying to lie to yourself. Trying to use hypothetical mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist just shows how much you just want to believe, not that they actually point to any real thing.

LordReed:


LoLz. Where did I mention Jesus or god? You know what you are doing so keep trying to lie to yourself. Trying to use hypothetical mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist just shows how much you just want to believe not that they actually point to any real thing.

It is good you are exposing your fears:
You are afraid that that I want to use mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist!?

Therefore, you have shut down your reasoning faculties so that you'll not be proved wrong! Pity you?

Just place yourself in the 2D space and check your arguments: everyone in 3D space will laugh at your "educated ignorance"!

My goal:
To actually make you think this through!

TenQ:

It is good you are exposing your fears:
You are afraid that that I want to use mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist!?

Therefore, you have shut down your reasoning faculties so that you'll not be proved wrong! Pity you?

Just place yourself in the 2D space and check your arguments: everyone in 3D space will laugh at your "educated ignorance"!

My goal:
To actually make you think before leaping!

LoLz. My fear? You are signalling as clearly as a traffic sign.

It is because my thinking faculties are working that I can see thorough your insipid attempt.

LMAO! What argument have I made that I need to check in 2D space? You've started dreaming again.

My thinking runs circles around you 20 times before breakfast.

LordReed:


LoLz. My fear? You are signalling as clearly as a traffic sign.

It is because my thinking faculties are working that I can see thorough your insipid attempt.

LMAO! What argument have I made that I need to check in 2D space? You've started dreaming again.

My thinking runs circles around you 20 times before breakfast.

You are afraid that answering those questions would betray your faulty reasonings.

Actually, the key to everything is question 1.

1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

If the answer is Yes, then you may need to justify it.
If your answer is No, then you are welcome to having your brain reset.

Neither of these positions suits you: therefore you'll rather continue braying like the character in the book "Animal Farm"!

Take the pill: Red or Blue! !

Fear is your friend bro!

TenQ:

You are afraid that answering those questions would betray your faulty reasonings.

Actually, the key to everything is question 1.

1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

If the answer is Yes, then you may need to justify it.
If your answer is No, then you are welcome to having your brain reset.

Neither of these positions suits you: therefore you'll rather continue braying like the character in the book "Animal Farm"!

Take the pill: Red or Blue! !

Fear is your friend bro!

LoLz. The person who needs a brain reset is you since it seems you don't understand what hypothetical means. I have told you before to go back to school, you need it.

LordReed:


LoLz. The person who needs a brain reset is you since it seems you don't understand what hypothetical means. I have told you before to go back to school, you need it.

Why is it difficult for you to respond to this question?

Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

TenQ:

Why is it difficult for you to respond to this question?

Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

,
You should answer this one instead, is it reasonable to believe higher dimensions exist because of a hypothetical mathematical postulate?

TenQ:
Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space


Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

Reminds me of the novel, Flatland.

Hard to believe there's a fourth dimension. I think scientists agree. But who knows?

LordReed:

,
You should answer this one instead, is it reasonable to believe higher dimensions exist because of a hypothetical mathematical postulate?

It is reasonable to believe that higher dimensions may exist
1. Zero D space is possible
1 D space is possible
2 D space is possible
3 D space is possible
There exist no excuse that would make a 4D space impossible?

2. People in 3D space cannot fathom how 4F space will look like just as 0D cannot fathom 1D, and 1D cannot fathom 2D etc.
3. Mathematically higher dimensions are possible especially in string theory scientific theories, such as string theory and certain versions of quantum gravity show that higher dimensions are not impossible

I've given you three reasons:
Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

Cybertroll:
Reminds me of the novel, Flatland.

Hard to believe there's a fourth dimension. I think scientists agree. But who knows?

I agree with you: it is hard to believe but not impossible.

I cringe at the arguments of scientist who live within 0D or 1D or 2D arguing that higher dimensions do not exist. Theory and Reality seems opposed to each other

"A Square" in the novel is certainly seen as insane at best: he should forget his knowledge and be as dumb as the others in 2D space. The dumb are actually limited only by their perception of space.
Nice and interesting satirical novel

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

TenQ:

I agree with you: it is hard to believe but not impossible.

I cringe at the arguments of scientist who live within 0D or 1D or 2D arguing that higher dimensions do not exist. Theory and Reality seems opposed to each other

Hm. But why in this section?

Cybertroll:
Hm. But why in this section?

It is a satire my friend!

Philosophical and yet Spiritual.

It seems Atheists are locked in the 3D space and treat Theists exactly like "A Square". They think they know Unfortunately, they are only constrained by their experiences and perceptions.

If there is no possibility of higher dimensions, then Atheists are completely right. However if there is a possibility of higher dimensions existing, then Atheists are wrong and may need to open their minds rather than obstinately closing it and asking dumb questions


"A Square" in the novel is certainly seen as insane at best: he should forget his knowledge and be as dumb as the others in 2D space. The dumb are actually limited only by their perception of space.
Nice and interesting satirical novel

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

TenQ:

It is reasonable to believe that higher dimensions may exist
1. Zero D space is possible
1 D space is possible
2 D space is possible
3 D space is possible
There exist no excuse that would make a 4D space impossible?

2. People in 3D space cannot fathom how 4F space will look like just as 0D cannot fathom 1D, and 1D cannot fathom 2D etc.
3. Mathematically higher dimensions are possible especially in string theory scientific theories, such as string theory and certain versions of quantum gravity show that higher dimensions are not impossible

I've given you three reasons:
Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

I don't think you even know what space means in mathematics, that is why you can conflate it with the actual universe we live in. Go find out what space means in mathematics maybe it will cure a bit of your ignorance.

LordReed:


I don't think you even know what space means in mathematics, that is why you can conflate it with the actual universe we live in. Go find out what space means in mathematics maybe it will cure a bit of your ignorance.

Diversion!
You think I talking mathematics here!? It is just simple philosophical discussion.
Is the implications difficult to bear with?

I've been speaking dimensions of existence and in 3D , we speak of space in its normal sense.

Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

TenQ:

It is a satire my friend!

Philosophical and yet Spiritual.

It seems Atheists are locked in the 3D space and treat Theists exactly like "A Square". They think they know Unfortunately, they are only constrained by their experiences and perceptions.

If there is no possibility of higher dimensions, then Atheists are completely right. However if there is a possibility of higher dimensions existing, then Atheists are wrong and may need to open their minds rather than obstinately closing it and asking dumb questions


"A Square" in the novel is certainly seen as insane at best: he should forget his knowledge and be as dumb as the others in 2D space. The dumb are actually limited only by their perception of space.
Nice and interesting satirical novel

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

Probably.

If God is a 4th dimensional being, what's special about him? He would be great only when compared to us (due to our limitations.

Dot < Line < Square < Cube and so on (if the 4D and the 5th and 6th till infinity, exists)

Cybertroll:
Probably.

If God is a 4th dimensional being, what's special about him? He would be great only when compared to us (due to our limitations.

Dot < Line < Square < Cube and so on (if the 4D and the 5th and 6th till infinity, exists)

I never said that God is a 4th Dimensional being. All we can say is that He is at a Dimension higher than 3D:

Even if God is at a 4th dimension, he is already infinitely higher than us. The gap between 1 D and 3D is not ONE but infinity because it takes an infinitely large number of 1D to transition into 2D.

TenQ:

I never said that God is a 4th Dimensional being. All we can say is that He is at a Dimension higher than 3D:

Even if God is at a 4th dimension, he is already infinitely higher than us. The gap between 1 D and 3D is not ONE but infinity because it takes an infinitely large number of 1D to transition into 2D.

Doesn't matter. A dot worshipping a square would be ridiculous to a sphere, no? If there are other dimensions higher than the 3rd and 4th, then God isn't really special (assuming he's a 4D being).

Unless God created them all. Then I wonder, "Why? Why created a dimension for the dot and the line and the square and the sphere?"...

Cybertroll:
Doesn't matter. A dot worshipping a square would be ridiculous to a sphere, no? If there are other dimensions higher than the 3rd and 4th, then God isn't really special (assuming he's a 4D being).

Unless God created them all. Then I wonder, "Why? Why created a dimension for the dot and the line and the square and the sphere?"...

I would have been guilty if I said that God is a 4D being: but I never said so.
Even then,
A 4D being (assuming) is infinitely bigger than a 3D being. The best of 3D is the minimum of a 4D being.

Talking about Creation (since you brought it up), just as a 3D being can effortlessly create a 2D object so also a 4D being can do and undo with the 3D objects.

Your question of why is silly because only a being in a higher dimension can answer the question and you in the lower dimension wouldn't even comprehend it.

Did you notice how your disposition changed immediately you learnt that this Philosophical dialogue is also spiritual?

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

If God is indeed the Creator of Everything, then there cannot be any other Dimensions higher than His

TenQ:

Diversion!
You think I talking mathematics here!? It is just simple philosophical discussion.
Is the implications difficult to bear with?

I've been speaking dimensions of existence and in 3D , we speak of space in its normal sense.

Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

Show me the philosophical principles that deal with n-dimensional space.

TenQ:
Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space

Greetings TenQ

I'm quite excited to engage in this topic if I'm being honest. Even though we'll probably arrive at different conclusions, I think there are a number of things here we both agree on.

Ever since I stumbled on the idea of string theory as a possible TOE a few years back, I've been fascinated by the possibility of higher dimensions, like 4th, 5th and so on, and the implications it would have on what we call "reality". So maybe I can share my personal opinion on this.

Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

Absolutely not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But it's also not evidence of presence either. I'm open to the possibility of these things existing. However, in the absence of any tangible evidence, I tend to maintain the standard "we don't know yet" position.

2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?

Interesting question. Quite difficult to answer. I once read about a test some scientists were planning to conduct to test for the existence of other dimensions.

According to what I remember (I might be wrong), they planned to smash 2 particles together at an immensely high speed, and if total energy of the system dropped or rose after the collision, then it would be postulated that the energy deficit went into or came from "another dimension".

Not the most accurate test in my opinion, but I just thought to mention it.

3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?

Of course not.

4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

This depends on what you mean by "interact". A 3 dimensional being can most definitely interact with elements in the 2-dimensional being's purview, but I don't think the reverse is possible.

But then again, there's another way I see this multi-dimensional hypothesis.


Take a 2 and 3-dimensional being in a 3-dimensional world. The 2 dimensional being exists in the 3-dimensional world, but is only able to experience a tiny subset of the "objective reality". I would say the same thing for possible higher dimensions.

If higher dimensions do exist, they won't be this external thing. Rather we would be the ones restricted to only a subsection of true reality. Kind of like how a cube is a complete object, and the surface of the cube represents only a subsection.

And If I may add @TenQ, ... even if higher dimensions of space existed, I feel like the nature of these alleged dimensions, or more accurately, the nature of "objective reality" would be the main issue.

For example, what if we are actually 4th dimensional beings experiencing several slices of 3d reality, just like a multiple slices of a cube make up the actual cube?

Or if higher dimensions truly exist, then how do we know whether things we refer to as "gods" have their own "gods" as well? The questions about the nature of a possible higher dimension are nearly infinite.

Nonetheless I think it is an interesting topic to consider.

LordReed:


Show me the philosophical principles that deal with n-dimensional space.

All learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts is philosophy or the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

I am sure I've not discussed mathematics with you: have I?
Carry your n-th dimensional space somewhere else please.

I love your honesty in answering all my questions. I can only add my conclusion on the responses.

Wilgrea7:


Greetings TenQ

I'm quite excited to engage in this topic if I'm being honest. Even though we'll probably arrive at different conclusions, I think there are a number of things here we both agree on.

Ever since I stumbled on the idea of string theory as a possible TOE a few years back, I've been fascinated by the possibility of higher dimensions, like 4th, 5th and so on, and the implications it would have on what we call "reality". So maybe I can share my personal opinion on this.



Absolutely not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But it's also not evidence of presence either. I'm open to the possibility of these things existing. However, in the absence of any tangible evidence, I tend to maintain the standard "we don't know yet" position.

Of course it is impossible to be unequivocally sure that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe because, even if it exists, there is no way we can be sure.
The implication is that the best an atheist can be is Agnostic. Atheism is the end of the spectrum of certainty.

It also raises an issue, being Agnostic isn't a position of knowledge: it is a position of choice not to be bortherd with true reality.

Check out the Satirical novel, Flatland!

"A Square" to the rest look insane, Unfortunately, he's the only one with the experience of lineland and spaceland.

Wilgrea7:

Interesting question. Quite difficult to answer. I once read about a test some scientists were planning to conduct to test for the existence of other dimensions.

According to what I remember (I might be wrong), they planned to smash 2 particles together at an immensely high speed, and if total energy of the system dropped or rose after the collision, then it would be postulated that the energy deficit went into or came from "another dimension".

Not the most accurate test in my opinion, but I just thought to mention it.

In theory, the experiment should work as lost energies can be assumed to have entered the higher dimensions. In practice, I don't think any scientist have been able to demonstrate higher dimensions experimentally. I sometimes wonder if this elusive factor is not what we insert into our equations as CONSTANTS.

Wilgrea7:

Of course not.

I agree with you!
If scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, their knowledge will NOT be adequate in the 3D space?

My inference:
Knowledge of a higher dimension can only be subjective. There is no way of successfully bringing it into the Laboratory for examination. Concluding that a higher dimension doesn't exist based on the observations from the current lower dimension is a folly

Wilgrea7:

This depends on what you mean by "interact". A 3 dimensional being can most definitely interact with elements in the 2-dimensional being's purview, but I don't think the reverse is possible.

Perfectly said.

A 3D personality can be completely be OUTSIDE the 2D space and he can also enter it or stand on it. Those in 2D may see only his cross-section presented to them as 2D.

Two parallel 1D or two Parallel 2D planes would be completely invisible to each other because of the nature of their constraints. (I'm not sure how a 3D space can relate to themselves in this same manner)


But I think I like this your description below.

Wilgrea7:

But then again, there's another way I see this multi-dimensional hypothesis.

Take a 2 and 3-dimensional being in a 3-dimensional world. The 2 dimensional being exists in the 3-dimensional world, but is only able to experience a tiny subset of the "objective reality". I would say the same thing for possible higher dimensions.

If higher dimensions do exist, they won't be this external thing. Rather we would be the ones restricted to only a subsection of true reality. Kind of like how a cube is a complete object, and the surface of the cube represents only a subsection.

I like this your example:
All lower dimensions may just be living in constraints within the higher dimensions. It reminds me of the scripture

Acts 17:27-28:
"That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being ; .... For we are also his offspring."

I honestly think this is the real meaning of dimensions where 0 D, 1 D, 2D and 3D are not stand-alone dimensions but are sunsets of the higher dimensions.

TenQ:


All learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts is philosophy or the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

I am sure I've not discussed mathematics with you: have I?
Carry your n-th dimensional space somewhere else please.

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to show me the philosophical principles underlying what you are talking about.

Wilgrea7:
And If I may add @TenQ, ... even if higher dimensions of space existed, I feel like the nature of these alleged dimensions, or more accurately, the nature of "objective reality" would be the main issue.

I agree with you.
Experiences of higher dimensions will always at best be subjective

Wilgrea7:

For example, what if we are actually 4th dimensional beings experiencing several slices of 3d reality, just like a multiple slices of a cube make up the actual cube?



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Or if higher dimensions truly exist, then how do we know whether things we refer to as "gods" have their own "gods" as well? The questions about the nature of a possible higher dimension are nearly infinite.

Nonetheless I think it is an interesting topic to consider.

This is the simplest within our reality as
1. Infinite regress of cause and effect is impossible
2. Except if everything is like fractals: the more you look, the more you see! LOL!
The factor of infinity between one dimension and the next dimension is particularly interesting.


Just some thought Questions (has nothing to do with spiritualism)
If a 1D line space is curved into 2D plane, would the objects within even know that they have traversed a movement in 2D?
Or a 2D plane curved into a circle, would the objects within even know that they have traversed a movement in 3D?

Must spatial dimensions always be an integer?

LordReed:


Then it shouldn't be hard for you to show me the philosophical principles underlying what you are talking about.

What do you suggest or think?
Is it different from the principles you know?