Gajagojo:


No not every religion is a cult

Not all.religions. Require membership,fraternity or congregation.

There is a difference between practising a religion and belonging to an organisation.
Cults imply membership

A cult is simply a group that adhere to a certain belief system with attendant practices or norms or rituals- prayers, signs and symbols etc. Every religion or belief system has these

Careless talk from a Pastor causing unnecessary distractions!

FxMasterz:


You're a liar. You're not a member and you're making a case for them as the only church following Christ. Hahaha. Lol. Listen to yourself!

Do you think I say things just fro saying sake. I have been a Christian for more that 35yrs. During that period before skipping into Atheism, I researched, attended many churches and denominations in my quest for the truth. I read books and know the origin of most of those denominations and religions. You're not dealing with a novice at all.

God Himself arrested me. Not man. I'm a Christian today because of my encounters with God.

If you think you know, just understand that you know nothing yet as you ought to know. Keep researching and keep learning, you would find.

Earlier, I made a case for Eckankar, yet I didn't see you label me an Eckist.

I made a case for the Celestial Church of Christ as well and I didn't see you accuse me of being a member of their fold.

Now I make a case for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and all of a sudden, I'm a liar and their ardent follower?

Bros, no offence, but you need to see a psychological therapist. Something isn't quite right in that cranium sitting on your neck.

mp3ree:


Very good write up. I grew up in a white garmet church and I was baptized there, in all my years attending the church the only thing I see them do differently from Pentecostal churches is they spend more time in their worship.

Reason why most youths are running away from white garment is because of the service time

alabo1:


by the definition a cult Every Religion is also a cult. Please research and lets discuss further if you please

When I said cult I know what I meant. I don't mean a secret confraternity. I meant that they practice occultism.

alabo1:


A cult is simply a group that adhere to a certain belief system with attendant practices or norms or rituals- prayers, signs and symbols etc. Every religion or belief system has these

What is the source of this definition? You cannot decree and impose a definition

Mrpojj:

Even the people bashing I pastor David ibiyomie, know he is saying the truth, they just didn't expect him to loud it.

Like pentecostal are not doing worst

FxMasterz:


This isn't name calling. It's simply calling a spade a spade.

Well I could do the same and where would that leave us?

You are immature and lack common sense. You just open your mouth waah with no filter and no future planning

FxMasterz:


You're the one who's close minded. You have not even quoted a single scripture since you started discussing with me. All my positions were all scripture backed with the deceivers knowing for sure they're in the wrong. Where is the self righteousness? Give me sound biblical basis for what you do if you think you're right. I'm open. Otherwise stop dribbling. Emotional blackmail and deceits won't work here.

A man who sees no use in plain logic, will always hide behind religion as a tool of defence, which in actuality, speaks of his weakness.

There's a fine reason I've based my entire exchange with you on realism and human logic. It's plenty obvious that bible you're carrying around is not informing but has been sadly turned into the basis upon which you're building your false illusions and sad delusions of heavenly grandeur.

With this mindset you're brandishing, na you go dey help devil fetch firewood for hell!

Buddha3:


Earlier, I made a case for Eckankar, yet I didn't see you label me an Eckist.

I made a case for the Celestial Church of Christ as well and I didn't see you accuse me of being a member of their fold.

Now I make a case for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and all of a sudden, I'm a liar and their ardent follower?

Bros, no offence, but you need to see a psychological therapist. Something isn't quite right in that cranium sitting on your neck.

I've not read your mention about Eckankar. I have a lot of mentions already, I'm just filing through them one by one.

Is Eckankar not part of the Rosicrucian orders? We're talking about Jesus here. Not Eck.

Buddha3:


A man who sees no use in plain logic, will always hide behind religion as a tool of defence, which in actuality, speaks of his weakness.

There's a fine reason I've based my entire exchange with you on realism and human logic. It's plenty obvious that bible you're carrying around is not informing but has been sadly turned into the basis upon which you're building your false illusions and sad delusions of heavenly grandeur.

With this mindset you're brandishing, na you go dey help devil fetch firewood for hell!

You'll keep saying this until you have an encounter with Jesus.

Farewell.

Gajagojo:

Well I could do the same and where would that leave us?

You are immature and lack common sense. You just open your mouth waah with no filter and no future planning

Can you see who's immature now?

Have I insulted you since we started? Are you not really an hypocrite? People use Google to verify information. Here on Nairaland, the examples are numerous. Yet when you're told to search Google you started giving irrelevant ezcuses. Are you not an hypocrite? Your insults don't mean anything to me. Keep them coming.

FxMasterz:


You'll keep saying this until you have an encounter with Jesus.

Farewell.

Lol.

Shalom, brotherman!

FxMasterz:

Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

So what about Catholic that burn candle

livebullet:


Look at this bloody skunk.
So the faking of miracles you guys do isn't bastardizing Christianity?
Where a pastor has informants who collect info about members and they use that info to tell you they know your problem and prophesy to you. Or where they organize arranged miracles?:..Ever asked your self why they won't allow independent scientific investigators prove their claim to miracles? In the Catholic Church, before we officially claim a miracle, a team of global medical scientists from any faith is called in to Investigate the authenticity.

Especially Nigerian churches...fake to the very GOs themselves.

Please go an read more about church history. You know nothing about the Reformation.
Don't let those your illiterate pastors who are not academic authorities in scriptures teach you.
They didn't study the Bible , they only read it.

Let me tell you something, the worst Catholic priest is more grounded in scriptures than your Daddy G.O's.

I can't stop laughing.

All is well.

Religion is a useless thing okay? Just find Jesus. Jesus is all that matters.

Farewell.

Before you call something demonic, keep in mind that the same knife that is used to cut meat, vegetables, yam etc can be used to commit murder.

A prophet warned his congregation against eating okro claiming that it stagnates people & causes missed opportunities. The same okro is proven to be great for cholesterol control which is vital for your heart health. Same prophet eventually died of possible heart failure later in life.

Let us be careful with extreme postions on issues. We cannot take the place of God.

otipoju:


What is contained in a woman's menstruation. It is the remnants of a life that could have been. It contains death as the life that was in the blood it could have brought forth if the egg had been fertilized is now being eliminated naturally.

Then a new egg is sent with the potential of bringing forth another human being. If it's not fertilized the elimination process begins again with the menstruation being the final concluding part...

When something that is dying comes in contact with a living power, it drains a bit from it. This is a natural metaphysical law that any spiritual person understands.

It goes beyond religion or Christianity But those motivational speakers disguised as pastors who like everything prim and proper are not able to understand.

Biologically, you're wrong. It is the sperm that contains life not the egg. The egg only nurtures the sperm to maturity. Without egg, the sperm dies. The sperm is the living organism not the egg.

Secondly, your claim of a dying power coming in contact with a living power and draining from it is very wrong when compared with what happened in the case of the woman with the issue of blood and Jesus. You fail to understand that she was bleeding for 12 whole years according to the bible. I think what was being referred to actually is irregular menstruation called PCOS medically.

So it's not a question of dying and living. It's a question of her inability to conceive due to irregular menstruating. Jesus simply healed her of that ailment. It has nothing to do with your metaphysical whatever.

Shikena:
Before you call something demonic, keep in mind that the same knife that is used to cut meat, vegetables, yam etc can be used to commit murder.

A prophet warned his congregation against eating okro claiming that it stagnates people & causes missed opportunities. The same okro is proven to be great for cholesterol control which is vital for your heart health. Same prophet eventually died of possible heart failure later in life.

Let us be careful with extreme postions on issues.

There are a huge number of Christians that have replaced worshiping God for worshiping men of God

FxMasterz:



Can you see who's immature now?

Have I insulted you since we started? Are you not really an hypocrite? People use Google to verify information. Here on Nairaland, the examples are numerous. Yet when you're told to search Google you started giving irrelevant ezcuses. Are you not an hypocrite? Your insults don't mean anything to me. Keep them coming.

You are rude and mannerless
Have you insulted me? Saying I am telling lies several times is not an insult
Can you say that to.my face?

Your father cannot do that?
How many times have you said I was lying and then called me a hypocrite?scroll up and check

You clearly do not think you should be polite online

That is WHY I called you immature because you talk mannerlessly.

You are the provocateur

Scroll up and check

You need to learn some manners you just open your mouth and vomit without thinking

Jungpablo:


So what about Catholic that burn candle

Are they not in the same category?

Please read the Bible for yourself. Seek the truth for yourself. Don't allow any man deceive you.

Gajagojo:


You are rude and mannerless
How many times have you said I was lying and then called me a hypocrite?scroll up and check

You clearly do not think you should be polite online

That is WHY I called you immature because you talk mannerlessly.

You are the provocateur

Scroll up and check

You need to learn some manners you just open your mouth and vomit without thinking

Yeah, I said you were lying because you did. You lied and that's very very clear.

I already explained your hypocrisy. I called a spade a spade.

You can get angry and keep up the insults for all I care. It doesn't change the fact that you lied and that you're an hypocrite.

FxMasterz:


Yeah, I said you were lying because you did. You lied and that's very very clear.

I already explained your hypocrisy. I called a spade a spade.

You can get angry and keep up the insults for all I care. It doesn't change the fact that you lied and that you're an hypocrite.

That is not an insult?

Your father cannot face me and say I am lying

I am.100% certain

Gajagojo:



You are talking off point we are talking about Jesus and what happened when he was on earth

Is there a Hebrew word for church?

Why was the New Testament written in Greek?

Did Jesus or His disciples speak Greek?

The New Testament was written in Greek for the same reasons you and I are writing in English.

Gajagojo:


That is not an insult?

Your father cannot face me and say I am lying

I am.100% certain

Look here. I'm not a kid okay. My father is late. He died a very old man and I'm his firsrborn. I have been in this world long enough to have children who have left the university.

So, don't think you are dealing with some inexperienced youths who talk only on the basis of what they're told.

FxMasterz:


Look here. I'm not a kid okay. My father is late. He died a very old man and I'm his firsrborn. I have been in this world long enough to have children who have left the university.

So, don't think you are dealing with some inexperienced youths who talk only on the basis of what they're told.

And you just open your mouth waah with no filter? You have no manners and no common sense

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

For me, I grew up in Cele but Now I can never go back there again not in this life or next to come, there were some Cele churches I knew back then that really operate openly without behind the scene practicals ,just like native doctors on suit as taken over 70% of the Pentecostal churches,same goes for Cele or k&c. The Cele I attended as a child was beside my house all we did was pray,dance, fast,just like normal churches, until they brought one Yoruba pastor the nigga show us many things, wicked things, he even nark one late deaconess daughter belle, bath married women ,used black,red,yellow,blue.
Sometimes goat.

Gajagojo:


And you just open your mouth waah with no filter? You have no manners and no common sense

You've been unbridled in your tongue since insulting someone who might even be old enough to be your father, yet you see yourself as having manners and having Common Sense? SMH.

Didijiji:
You said demonic Psalms.

I just hope it is not the psalm chapters in the Bible?

Because I don’t know how a demonic verse can reside in the word of God

Asides the biblical psalms, it also means sacred hymns and songs.
Demonic psalms are sacred hymns that glorify demons and their likes.

FxMasterz:


You've been unbridled in your tongue since inducting someone who might even be old enough to be your father, yet you see yourself as having manners and having Common Sense? SMH.

Like I said your father cannot look at me and face me and call me a liar

If you have no self respect,I do
calling me a liar is an insult and in our exchange you started the insult

Which makes you uncouth,mannerless,devoid of home training,common sense or wisdom

Learn how to address people politely even in the course of disagreement

90 percent activity in that church is traditional it should be called a modern traditional church

Your pastors marry plenty wife’s openly
Sacrifice openly
Bleaching girls with piercings plenty
Openly talk about jazz and go to river for it

Most of the church are build beside water for diabolical purposes

chiefolododo:
Some white garment churches engage in things that do not glorify Jesus, we must admit that and separate the chaff from the wheat. The good white garment church is a prototype of the church of heaven. I like their songs,

they are good instrumentalists too. They can play instruments.

thorpido:
While I may not criticize white garment churches,you see that one called Brotherhood of the Cross and Star..........mbanu.

Na normal church na