otipoju:


Bro leave that guy alone...you are just wasting your time. His type are trained to be very narrow minded...they can't see beyond their nose.

otipoju:


See as una two just combine dey talk confidently on dem sey dem sey.

Celestial Church of Christ does not worship Angels. We pray to Jehovah through Jesus Christ and command the Angels to do the bidding of Christ...because they are the ministering spirits assigned to deliver the requests of believers who will inherit salvation. Hebrews 1 verse14

So it is not against proper christian doctrine to send angels on errands. They are like invisible body gaurds and spiritual servants to us. Stronger and wiser but they do not have the authority to dominate all of creation that the believer has.

Concerning Moses Orimolade, you have with full confidence told an absolutely false story about him. This is a well documented biography of him.

https://dacb.org/stories/nigeria/orimolade-moses/


Ositelu, Rufus O. O. 2002: African Instituted Churches : diversities, growth, gifts, spirituality and ecumenical understanding of African Initiated Churches.Münster [etc.]: Lit Verlag.


Educate yourself and stop peddling lies.

Celestial Church of Christ did not break put of C and S. It was started in Benin Republic in 1947 when Oschoffa had an encounter with God in the forest on his Timber selling business. Before then he was a member of the Methodist Church and he clearly states that he loved to pray so much.

In the encounter he was told why God appointed him as his servant. There was a big problem with African Christians who had converted from idol worshipping to the orthodox churches like Anglican, Methodist and Babtist. When the had challenges, they reverted back to their old habits and consulted with traditional diviners and healers for solutions.Problem is when they died, in spite of their good deeds and worship...Satan had put his mark on them when they had gone to consult his human agents and so the mark of ownership by Satan prevented them from making heaven.

Therefore, God imbued Oschoffa and by his extension the Celestial Church of Christ with what was lacking in the Orthodox churches.

1. Healing powers
2. Prophetic Mantle...to hear from God,revelations about the source solutions and laser focused prayer points to a person's problems.
3. Authority in the name and blood of Jesus through prayers to break and loose the captives of Satan.
4. Spread the message of salvation through Christ all over the world.

These are the mandates of the Celestial Church of Christ and all these are comprised in the term " Luli " which was translated to him to mean the "Grace of God" meaning Oschoffa and by extension the Celestial Church of Christ did nothing to merit these special gifts but it was the Divine Monergism of God Almighty.

By the design of Jesus Christ, the Church is a problem solving church..to set captives free from the bondage of Satan. That is why in many cases, na problem dey carry person go Cele just like nobody visit the hospital unless sey problem wey pass paracetamol don dey.

If Oschoffa was able to play with a snake and it did mot harm him, how is that different from Apostle Paul's experience in Acts 28 verse 1-6, where a snake bit him and had no effect on him.

I am still at loss to how a Christian who believes that ALL power belongs to Jesus would in the same vein believe that a monkey, snake or bird that was born and are dead by now can give a man Spiritual power.

What Oschoffa saw in the forest was not abnormal.
A monkey, snake and bird are bound to be in the forest .

If Oschoffa and by extension the Celestial Church of Christ was demonic, why would Oschoffa tell all these accounts and include them in the church constitution a public document.? Would it not be common sense for a deceiver to hide the demonic source of his powers.

I'm sorry you guys are not thinking at all and your narrow mindedness is making you not see beyond your nose. Have you ever picked up a Celestial Church of Christ unique hymn book and read the wordings of the songs the sing in church during service to understand their beliefs about Christ?

There is a CCC hymn that says. There is no other way that leads to heaven...sinner it is the name of Jesus that saves.

Another CCC hymn says. It is the precious blood of Jesus that was the propitiation for our sins. Sinner wash yourself in the blood of Jesus and you shall be saved.

Another song says : we have conquered wizards, we have conquered witches, Satan has no power over us, anymore.

Another CCC hymn says. Wizards have been put to shame, witches have been thrown into confusion. The Devil is terrified and has fallen by the power of God in this church.

How can you listen to all these and then say the Celestial Church of Christ is a demon worshipping Church. Okay what are the names of the demons that we serve as revealed to you? May God forgive you both for slandering the church with minimal or zero knowledge about it.

I have a book by Professor Adogame who did many years of thorough academic research on the Celestial Church of Christ.

Stop listening to dem.say dem say

Celestial Church of Christ: The Politics of Cultural Identity in a West African Prophetic-charismatic Movement

https://books.google.com/books/about/Celestial_Church_of_Christ.html?id=H7n9GAAACAAJ

I have the soft copy somewhere. I can send in an email to you if you want

Professor Olupona also wrote something about African Instituted Churches..

Ositelu Ositelu, Rufus O. O. 2002: African Instituted Churches : diversities, growth, gifts, spirituality and ecumenical understanding of African Initiated Churches.Münster [etc.]: Lit Verlag.

These are excellent professors who did adequate research into the history and belief systems of these churches.

It is after you do thorough research about something that you can form a opinion about it.

ShaqFu:

where in the bible are we as christians told to commit adultery, fornication, tell lies, engage in fraud, engage in incest and the likes? You said White garment churches engage in visiting the marine for sacrifices and the likes, now this is you generalizing. Just because a few do this, does it give you the right to generalize and say the whole white garment churches do this?

ShaqFu:

Like I said above, to use the actions of a select few to judge the majority is very wrong of you.

ShaqFu:

Oshoffa's experience when he founded the Celestial Church is Oshoffa's experience, I wasn't there and it's not in my place to judge that experience. For the fact you judge that experience show the kind of christian you are, you're the kind who is self righteous and overtly holy.

ShaqFu:

You're quick to criticize the doings of white garment churches, yet you haven't criticized the actions of other churches who wholeheartedly do such awful things in the name of Christianity.

ShaqFu:

Salvation they say, it's personal, seek your own salvation and leave others to seek theirs.

Anas09:

First off, am not a guy. Secondly, I am very opened minded. I am a seeker. If there's the truth, I want to know. I go to the ethimologies or the roots of belief systems to be sure Satan is not blindsiding people to hell. He can very well masquerade with the intent to mislead, and he has very smart servants he uses to do that.

I am here to discuss with you, no insults just facts. Let's talk

Anas09:



If you go back to my first post here, I said, if am wrong, I need someone to out me through. We learn every day. I never knew that shedrack Meshach and Abednego were not the first people to be cast into fiery furnace for the sake of God untill few days ago. Now I know that Abraham was the first to be thrown into fire.
So sir, if the white Garment churches do not have it as a doctrine to be doing assignments in the water or beside the waters, pls clarify me.

because all the white Garment churches I know do sacrifices by the waters. ALL.


Am sorry about my generalization. I was only stating what seem to be the reality on ground, but seems am mistaken.

So, are you saying with absolute certainty that a select few in White Garment churches are the ones doing these Marine things? Hmmmm. I was thinking that, if that was the case, the Elders of these churches are suppose to be up in arms with these heretic group calling them out for their charlatan activities; but I have never heard that any white Garment church leader raised an out cry that marine operations are being brought into their churches to pollute it.


There's no judgement here. I am just doing what the Bible commands us to do. 'Test all spirits...', that's what am doing. Compare scriptures with scriptures. Precepts upon Precepts, statutes upon statutes, line by line. Satan is crafty. If you want to be misled, just accept one small extra Biblical teaching and you are on your way out to Babylon.


Again, I apologize. I do not critizise, I critique . There's a difference.
And pls point out any pentecostal doctrine that's anti scripture practice in the pentecostal circle, let's bring it under a crucible of test.


Yes, salvation is personal, but see what the Bible says here;
Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!

As we said before, so I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you received [from us], let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!

If we should allow everyone find their way, then the Lord would not have sent out pastors and preachers.

If were to allow everyone in the name of a prophet or pastor do as they like including leading the sheep to hell, The Lord would not have warned us to be ware of the false prophets who will use His name lying that he sent them to decieve many.

We are not even doing what the Bible enjoins us to do.
We, the Christian body is suppose to disassociate ourselves with them entirely.

1 Corinthians 5:11
[b]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.[/]

Do you know how weigty the sin of idol worship is? If you know you won't be depending this.
What are you people doing with sacrificing things to the water? Does Jesus live inside the ocean?

Didijiji:
It is confirmed that you are talking from a position of ignorance. Gross ignorance and it excusable. How will you say all white garment churches do water sacrifice? Please what do you mean by water sacrifice? Please explain so you can better be informed and HELPED

otipoju:


The very first step to knowing is to be objective.
Which means you set aside your biases and preconceived ideas to study a subject.

When Jesus was about to begin his ministry, what happened? He went to John at the River Jordan and was baptized right? After the baptism, a dove appeared in the skies and a voice said. This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus also baptized other people severally in water and so did the disciples for new converts during and after Jesus lifetime. Water babtism is the first step in the official Christian journey.

You will recall that Jesus also used water to wash his disciples feet and reprimanded Peter for being hesitant to allow him wash his feet with water.

Of course, you would say that it was a symbolic expression of servant leadership and there lies the crux of the matter.

Symbols are used to express and make others comprehend timeless and abstract truths to the five senses.

The symbolism behind Christian water babtism is purification . The washing away of filth and beginning of a new fresh clean life

Yes the Celestial Church of Christ uses a lot of items that are symbolic of an eternal truth or principle and these . We know the symbolic interpretation of each object and NONE of it is in honor of Satan or any of his demons. Absolutely NONE. We see Satan , his demons and human agents like witches, wizards and others as defeated enemies of Jesus Christ and we are not afraid of them

Now if I was to reason like you do. Should I not say Jesus got his powers from water spirits. OR that the bird that said this is my son with whom I am well pleased is the one that gave him the power that he was using.

Having said that, there are over 5,000 Celestial parishes in the world. Most are in Cities and industrial areas where there are no bodies of water near by and so a body of water is not a criteria for citing a celestial church of christ parish.

Yes, our Prophets do recommend water baths for a lot of people when they give them messages. But it is usually for new converts who came to the church because of one spiritual problem or the other.

The general idea is that whatever mark that the agents of the devil has put on them spiritually should be washed away so they can begin afresh.

As they grow in spirit, and learn to live righteously and prayerfully, they get to a point where all they do is to decree a thing to be established. They get to rely less and less on symbolic items to support their faith.

As they continue to grow, they get to a point where even their thoughts and meditation of their hearts manifest in real life. I have experienced this stage in my spiritual journey and it's a bit scary as well as exciting and I so i am extremely careful what I think about as i now understand why the bible says " gaurd your heart diligently, for out of it proceeds the issues of life". What I think comes to pass. What I say must come to pass.

However not everyone is at that stage and does not mean that one should look down on them.

Jesus healed and delivered in many different ways based on the level of faith and the spiritual and physical condition or understanding of the person he was dealing with.

While the woman menstruating believed that if she touches Jesus Garment she would be healed, the Military commander told Jesus he did not need to be physically present for his daughter to be restored. He told Jesus to just issue a command...just as he would issue a command to his men and they will carry it out without question.

Now watch closely...in both of their approaches to God, their faith was expressed differently and in both cases it worked for them. God responded to both and granted them their desires.

Therefore if I believe that if I pick up a candle, pray with it and light it, the darkness in my life will dissappear because the light of God triumphs over darkness. Moreso since Jesus said he is the light of the world...I am inviting him as the light to intervene in my matter and repel whatever dark forces may be oppressing me. Do you think God will not honor my faith...even if you might do things differently?


The Bible records the Apostles use of announting Oil to pray for people after Jesus death and resurrection. Also they handkerchiefs and aprons that Paul had used were believed to be infused with divine power.

So that from his [Paul’s] body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.— Acts 19:12

The faith of those people in action...Paul was not there to make a prayer in the name of Jesus. Yet miracles happened to those who believed.

That is why one should be very careful when talking with authority about spiritual matters.humility is key.

Let me even let you into my own way of approaching God. When I have a very tough situation, I sit quitely for several hours reminding myself of God's mercy to me and who i really am then I go into my room, close the doors sing songs of praise and victory for like a hour and half and then begin to issue decress in the name of Jesus. What I asked for I always get.

Remember CCC is a problem solving church. In corporate terms, it is luke the trauma or emergency center of a hospital where patients are brought....as compared to pentecostal churches that are like Disney land.

The skills and tools that you will see in a hospital is different from what you will see in an amusement park...even though both take care of human beings.

Calling a person's belief system demonic without any tangible proof and speaking falsehood about others is really insulting.

The CCC has nothing to hide. Yes due to the nature of what we do, it is so easy for nefarious individuals to masquarade as Celestians and perpetrate all sorts of evil to the desperate people...but we know them and can easily identify them when we see them .

Anas09:

So, you have not done any sacrifice in the water or near the sea?

Anas09:

Oga all this long talk wld have just ended if you had answered the question 'What connection does Jesus Christ of Nazareth doing inside the sea? What are you people looking for inside water?

Didijiji:
Sacrifice to who abeg? 😂😂😂

Na sea I Dey worship ni?

Except na baptism be sacrifice. You people can even tag innocent baptism sacrifice as long as na white garment do am and not Pentecostal

anything to make you guys feel good and righteous 😊😊

Abeg oooo

otipoju:


Brother make we leave these people alone. They are a waste of time and space. All that I typed here in trying to explain things are even not for them. It is for a wider audience as anyone can pick up this thread and read with an open mind.

You see those two...they can never see beyond their nose. So no need to dey follow dem drag anything. They are surprised that we are confidently rebutting their false claims and have mo meaningful response other than to continue to bark "Celestial is demonic".

I don't know if you are a Celestian or not but if you are, the coming years will be interesting. That word of God wey dem dey talk sey we no sabi, we will take over the air waves soon with the undiluted word of God from the throne of God. Spiritually blind eyes will be opened and bondages will be broken in the name of Jesus.

God is quietly raising an army of Celestial Evangelists and Preachers as a lot of people are longing for the real message of God and not the motivational corporate speeches that these folks like to give because they lack power to turn people to righteous living.

Stay blessed and may the Spirit of Jesus Christ continue to strengthen you.

Make we go do better thing with our time

Didijiji:
Amen bro

We will not quit o. What ever is stated here is for people to come and see and know. I think it’s high time we behaved like them smallllllll. Since they can come out to openly insult the white garment churches, let’s be ready to respond to them in the love that Jesus Christ represents

otipoju:


I stopped bothering about them many many tears ago around 2010, when I used to go to church on my off days to help write messages by the prophets on my off days on either Tuesday or Thursday when we do spiritual consultation for the general public.

I used to see how the Pastors that would come would nod their head sheepishly when the Spiritbof God through the prophet tells him that " You are the Pastor of a Church, Yes or No.".

Many many of their Pastors and members and even Muslims come to the Celestial Church of Christ every blessed week to come and hear from God and pray to receive solutions to their problems.

Some after receiving solutions will stay and become new members. Some will go back and still slander the church...those are the ungrateful ones. They are always 9 out of 10.

Didijiji:
we know them and need them to stop the hypocritical insults . An RCCG pastors wife just started attending white garment church recently. She was a member before an RCCG pastor married her. She had to come back when the revelation and prophecies even from her husbands church was too much in her to go back and complete God’s assignment she left

Tayorshd87:


When u have hatred for something the. U Wil always find something to attach to it for others to hate it too

paxonel:
like what?

Explain yourself?

Didijiji:
Ibiyieome hates white garment churches and always uses them to preach to his sheeple members

paxonel:
that one is his own cup of tea.

hates shouldn't be a thing of christianity irrespective of how one feels about a particular sect.
I think there are questions he needed to ask about the things he saw white garment churches doing, before erroneously coming out to say that in white garment churches someone's name can be soaked in a bottle of ogogoro making the person to become drunk.

But the question is, even if the pastor had taken steps to ask questions about what he feels, will anyone in white garment church deem it fit to clarify their ritual activities to him?
I think no one is ready to do that.

Note also, I have asked a question in this thread, why are white garment churches go bare foots on streets and no one including the op has deem it fit to explain the significance of that or is it because they don't know what to say?

The same thing applies,, the pastor or anyone else for that matter may continue saying all sort of hateful things about white garment churches because someone is not reasonably explaining to them what white garment churches are doing

Didijiji:

but the founders could have been inspired by the occurrence in Exodus 3:5 where Moses was instructed to remove his sandals because he is on a holy ground.

The instruction came from God to Moses who was a Prophet.

The founders of white garment churches could have also been instructed by the Holy Spirit as prophets,

or inspired by Moses as a Prophet or have interpreted that verse humanly while emulating a bible verse in their own way as most of them were wbibithout modern education,

same way Rev Kumuyi and Deeper Life condemned the watching of TV by members who saw it then as a sin. Now almost all Deeper Life churches have a TV.

What people should be asking is what is demonic about the removal of shoes? Does it mean I glorify a demon when I remove my shoe or what? What is bad about shoe removal at the point of worship? I was at a mountain yesterday and saw a man dressed in suit praying and he removed his shoes. I feel it’s a sign of respect.

chiefolododo:
Some white garment churches engage in things that do not glorify Jesus, we must admit that and separate the chaff from the wheat. The good white garment church is a prototype of the church of heaven. I like their songs,

chiefolododo:
Some white garment churches engage in things that do not glorify Jesus, we must admit that and separate the chaff from the wheat. The good white garment church is a prototype of the church of heaven. I like their songs,

Didijiji:
Deep

Didijiji:
You said demonic Psalms.

I just hope it is not the psalm chapters in the Bible?

Because I don’t know how a demonic verse can reside in the word of God

dododawa1:
On which side is GOD with
Christianity worshipper
Muslim worshipper
Traditional worshipper

otipoju:


So of all the people touching Jesus, she was the only one that had faith. The others had no expectation of healing and were just following him for following sake. Stop reading your own meanings into events. Yes she had faith that she would get healed but the fact remains that her touch drained Jesus of power...her faith is not what drained Jesus.

Why would faith a positive thing reduce power in Jesus.?

Also there is not a single mention of the word menstruation in Acts 15. So you are inventing a story that did not happen.

As clever as you think you are, you did not comment on your bracadabra speaking in tounges. Show me in the Bible where you got blabbing unintelligible nonsense as speaking in tounges.

Your nonsense pastors substituted " strange tounges which actually means "foreign languages" to be blabbing nonsense and like dense and dumb sheep you follow.

Also where in the Bible does it say the man had no eyeballs? Where did you get your tradition from.

Now tell me the so called strange practices that we engage in that are not rooted in scripture.

From the colour of our garments, to palm fronds,to lighting candles...they are all found in the Bible.

And you are still saying the obvious...what I asked for was the correlation. Why would certain actions have certain direct events on real life events.

And what makes you think the actions that Celestians take are not directed by the Holy Spirit for the individual or congregation.

It's a shame that you talk so proudly and authoritavely about what a church you know nothing about.

That heaven wey you want go, na white garment you go wear there, you go light candle for alter and you go burn incense tire.

Didijiji:
You have spoken well.

If only he spoke like you

If only he said “SOME”

thorpido:
While I may not criticize white garment churches,you see that one called Brotherhood of the Cross and Star..........mbanu.