EMILO2STAY:
no need to reply your post again, its a waste of time.

That's what you should have done when i said muslims can't be ruled out as long as you acknowledge countless sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus just as Muslims do!

MaxInDHouse:


That's what you should have done when i said muslims can't be ruled out as long as you acknowledge countless sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus just as Muslims do!

you dont make reaonable arguments. your arguments lead to nothing. and its void plus empty.

EMILO2STAY:
you dont make reaonable arguments. your arguments lead to nothing. and its void plus empty.

I don't argue at all i TEACH!

Jesus prayed for all his disciples to think alike when it comes to principle {John 17:22} you ignored that and accepted all religions claiming they're Christians simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus {Matthew 7:21-23} but Muslims who also claim they believe in both God and Jesus you're condemning that's inconsistency on your part. It's either you figure out which one out of thousands of sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus to prove your point or welcome all including Muslims!

MaxInDHouse:

I don't argue at all i TEACH!

Jesus prayed for all his disciples to think alike when it comes to principle {John 17:22} you ignored that and accepted all religions claiming they're Christians simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus {Matthew 7:21-23} but Muslims who also claim they believe in both God and Jesus you're condemning that's inconsistency on your part. It's either you figure out which one out of thousands of sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus to prove your point or welcome all including Muslims!

you can stop quoting me now! pls

MaxInDHouse:

I don't argue at all i TEACH!

Jesus prayed for all his disciples to think alike when it comes to principle {John 17:22} you ignored that and accepted all religions claiming they're Christians simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus {Matthew 7:21-23} but Muslims who also claim they believe in both God and Jesus you're condemning that's inconsistency on your part. It's either you figure out which one out of thousands of sects claiming they believe in God and Jesus to prove your point or welcome all including Muslims!

you can stop quoting me now pls

After quoting me TWICE!

EMILO2STAY:
you can stop quoting me now! pls

EMILO2STAY:
you can stop quoting me now pls

“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they claim they believe in Jesus

They claimed! But you know they are are not yet you're on this thread saying another thing.

just like all others claiming they believe in Jesus with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

And you're among these OTHERS don't forget.

The only group that believe in Jesus must have the same attitude as Jesus who said:

"I am the way, the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

There can't be another group after OTHERS (plural)

So if you can't find any group saying the same thing but welcoming different religions all in the name of Jesus ọmọ you can't prove Muslims wrong because they also claim they believe in God and Jesus just like all those sects claiming Christians!

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, you haven't proof that but just beating about the bush

Emusan:

They claimed! But you know they are are not yet you're on this thread saying another thing.

They claim they believe in Jesus and God so if you acknowledge sects many with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming the same there's no reason condemning Muslims because you're only concerned with claims not what it really means to believe in Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
They claim they believe in Jesus and God

But I'm telling you that they don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

You haven't proof me wrong on that.

They're many Jesus and Jesus Christ of Nazareth Himself said "many will come in His name"

So do you agree that their claim is about Jesus Christ of Nazareth or just their own JESUS?

so if you acknowledge sects many with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming the same there's no reason condemning Muslims because you're only concerned with claims not what it really means to believe in Jesus!

There's a big difference from any CHRISTIANS claiming believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth despite different understanding of the scripture and Muslims.

The centre message of Christianity are:

1. Jesus as Son of God (some gives further explanation)
2. Jesus death
3. Jesus resurrection
4. Salvation ONLY through Jesus Christ.

Tell me just one among this four that a Muslim accept and tell me one denomination who reject just one.

Emusan:

So do you agree that their claim is about Jesus Christ of Nazareth or just their own JESUS?

Joseph and Mary brought Jesus up in Nazareth and Muslims always call Jesus "son of Mary"
So they know he is Jesus of Nazareth.

Emusan:

There's a big difference from any CHRISTIANS claiming believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth despite different understanding of the scripture and Muslims.

The centre message of Christianity are:

1. Jesus as Son of God (some gives further explanation)
2. Jesus death
3. Jesus resurrection
4. Salvation ONLY through Jesus Christ.

Tell me just one among this four that a Muslim accept and tell me one denomination who reject just one.

Regarding the highlighted those claiming Christians differ in their understanding so it's better to agree with all those claiming believers in Jesus after all it's just their mouth they call Jesus Lord.
Jesus said it's FRUIT that matter! Matthew 7:16-23

MaxInDHouse:
Joseph and Mary brought Jesus up in Nazareth and Muslims always call Jesus "son of Mary"
So they know he is Jesus of Nazareth.

Simple question you'll begin to preambulating

Do you agree with them that it was Jesus of Nazareth?

Regarding the highlighted those claiming Christians differ in their understanding

Liar! Provide your evidence.

so it's better to agree with all those claiming believers in Jesus after all it's just their mouth they call Jesus Lord.
Jesus said it's FRUIT that matter! Matthew 7:16-23

Jesus never said it's fruit that matters, stop lying against Jesus.

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Here is my point again.

The centre message of Christianity are:

1. Jesus as Son of God (some gives further explanation)
2. Jesus death
3. Jesus resurrection
4. Salvation ONLY through Jesus Christ.

Tell me just one among this four that a Muslim accept and tell me one denomination who reject just one.

Emusan:

Provide your evidence.

There's contradictions on what to believe among them!

MaxInDHouse:
There's contradictions on what to believe among them!

Liar!

Those four point are core belief of any Christian.

So come with another lie.

Emusan:

Liar!
Those four point are core belief of any Christian.
So come with another lie.

So if they all believe th same thing about Jesus of Nazareth who said his own disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:22} why abusing, insulting and cursing one another nah?

MaxInDHouse:
So if they all believe th same thing about Jesus of Nazareth who said his own disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:22}

I'm expecting you to counter my point by bringing denominations that doesn't hold those four points but at last you can.

Jesus never talk about THE SAME LINE OF THOUGHT

That's just your own part of the problem of believing in man made doctrine. What Jesus prayed for is unity.

Misunderstanding can come, even among JWs misunderstanding happens.

why abusing, insulting and cursing one another nah?

JWs do the same!

So come with another lie

Emusan:

What Jesus prayed for is unity.

So are the churches of Christendom united in their faith?
If so why contradictions?
Don't forget that the only reason why you're trying to argue is because Muslims don't bear the same tag with you people but when it comes to claims they surely say they believe in God and in Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
So are the churches of Christendom united in their faith?

You are not Jesus, leave that to Jesus to decide.

If so why contradictions?

And JWs is also part of the contradictions.

Don't forget that the only reason why you're trying to argue is because Muslims don't bear the same tag with you people

No! But I know they don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and no Christian denominations that don't believe in the key message of Jesus

but when it comes to claims they surely say they believe in God and in Jesus!

That is why you call it CLAIMED but you yourself know it's not TRUE.

But you just want to argue for WTBS not what the Bible actually say.

Emusan:

You are not Jesus, leave that to Jesus to decide. And JWs is also part of the contradictions. No! But I know they don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and no Christian denominations that don't believe in the key message of Jesus
That is why you call it CLAIMED but you yourself know it's not TRUE.
But you just want to argue for WTBS not what the Bible actually say.

If Jesus said his disciples will have be united so if there's no unity then they don't believe in Jesus.
Jehovah's Witnesses organization are not part of your contradictions that's why we stand out never part of you people neither do we pretend worshipping nor pray hypocritically with you people. John 17:8-9
Muslims claims just as you people also claim!

EMILO2STAY:
stop the nonsense already, there is nothing in the book of daniel that speaks of islam.

Why not read your Bible Concordance and tell us what your Learned think the Four Earthly Kingdoms were?

Can we start from there? Or are you one of those postponing the events in Daniel 2/7 when the One who saw the Vision clearly states otherwise ?

MightySparrow:



Your explanation lacks historical dates and chronological arrangements. You would see that most of the things you put forward were concluded before the era of Mohammed.

MaximumSide what do you say? Your organization are known for mapping history and biblical prophecy.


P.s.:
By the way, I suspect you are a shia Muslim. Sunnis do not believe that Daniel was a prophet nor regard his prophecy.

You wants Dates? I can give you Dates. But like Daniel never alluded to any Dates but he gave a Chronological antecedents if I can use the word to when this Kingdoms will rise. He started with Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon, followed by The Mede-Persian, then the Greeks and lastly the Romans.

Read again Daniel 2 in Particular, Daniel told us what will happen to each of these Kingdoms. And I followed in that other. Babylon was ended by the Persians, The Muslims Arabs ended Persia and consumed them (Converted them) while they also sent The Greeks back to Europe initially and later upstaged them in Constantinople. As for Rome and Romans, the same fate at the hands of the Muslims. They were sent back to Europe by the Muslims and the ultimate capitulations is an event still for the future.

The funny thing is, the Jews are also eyeing the Roman Scalps. We awaits such events then, those who live to witness it will surely know that the Faith acceptable to God is that of the Muslims.

Since this Thread is about What the Bible says about Islam and Prophet Muhammad, can I show you other mentions? Backed by Facts of history you can almost touch.

I am not a shia. I am a Sunni Muslim if you must know and about Daniel, it will interest you to know that during the conquest of Persia by the Muslims, Daniel Graveyard was discovered and the Amir Al-Muimin then, Umar Ibn Khattab ordered that severally graveyard be dug in order to safeguard the Tomb of Daniel. If he did not believe him a Prophet, he would not have done that.

Lukuluku69:


Why not read your Bible Concordance and tell us what your Learned think the Four Earthly Kingdoms were?

Can we start from there? Or are you one of those postponing the events in Daniel 2/7 when the One who saw the Vision clearly states otherwise ?

there is nothing in the book of daniel about islam, if you think you have somthing about that then present it and lets see.

EMILO2STAY:
there is nothing[b] in the book of daniel about islam, if you think you have somthing about that then present it and lets see[/b].

You will find my submissions on page 2 of this Thread. You can go thru them if you so wish. The Moniker is Lukuluku69.

Lukuluku69:


You wants Dates? I can give you Dates. But like Daniel never alluded to any Dates but he gave a Chronological antecedents if I can use the word to when this Kingdoms will rise. He started with Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon, followed by The Mede-Persian, then the Greeks and lastly the Romans.

Read again Daniel 2 in Particular, Daniel told us what will happen to each of these Kingdoms. And I followed in that other. Babylon was ended by the Persians, The Muslims Arabs ended Persia and consumed them (Converted them) while they also sent The Greeks back to Europe initially and later upstaged them in Constantinople. As for Rome and Romans, the same fate at the hands of the Muslims. They were sent back to Europe by the Muslims and the ultimate capitulations is an event still for the future.

The funny thing is, the Jews are also eyeing the Roman Scalps. We awaits such events then, those who live to witness it will surely know that the Faith acceptable to God is that of the Muslims.

Since this Thread is about What the Bible says about Islam and Prophet Muhammad, can I show you other mentions? Backed by Facts of history you can almost touch.

I am not a shia. I am a Sunni Muslim if you must know and about Daniel, it will interest you to know that during the conquest of Persia by the Muslims, Daniel Graveyard was discovered and the Amir Al-Muimin then, Umar Ibn Khattab ordered that severally graveyard be dug in order to safeguard the Tomb of Daniel. If he did not believe him a Prophet, he would not have done that.

Thanks for the explanation. In actual world history, Persia was conquered by Alexander the Great in fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy.
From Greek empire emerged Roman empire.. Roman empire disintegrated into ten nations and none of them is Islamic. There is no evidence of a unified nation under a man in Daniel' s prophecy except under the Antichrist.
Are you saying that the antichrist will be a Muslim caliph. That would be against the Hadith of your prophet. In one Hadith, he said he antichrist will be a Jew with a funny look.
So, still help me explain with the same prophecy of Daniel.

Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
If Jesus said his disciples will have be united so if there's no unity then they don't believe in Jesus.

He didn't say it rather he prayed for it.

And the same Jesus corrected the early churches without claiming they're not united.

Jehovah's Witnesses organization are not part of your contradictions

But JWs is part of the Christian denominations with different contradictory teachings according to you

that's why we stand out never part of you people neither do we pretend worshipping nor pray hypocritically with you people. John 17:8-9

But you answer the same name as Christian or tick the same religion box as Christian even though you once claimed the name Christian has been bastardized

Muslims claims just as you people also claim!

Muslims claim is not about Jesus Christ of Nazareth. So come with another lie.

MightySparrow:


Thanks for the explanation. In actual world history, Persia was conquered by Alexander the Great in fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy.
From Greek empire emerged Roman empire.. Roman empire disintegrated into ten nations and none of them is Islamic. There is no evidence of a unified nation under a man in Daniel' s prophecy except under the Antichrist.
Are you saying that the antichrist will be a Muslim caliph. That would be against the Hadith of your prophet. In one Hadith, he said he antichrist will be a Jew with a funny look.
So, still help me explain with the same prophecy of Daniel.

Thanks

If you think Alexander the Great was the Conqueror of the Persians, then I am afraid your knowledge of World history is deficient. For out of that Defeat at the hands of Alexander, the Persians rose and still conquer many a number of Greeks City States. True, Alexander dealt them a blow but it was never a Death Blow as Muslims dealt them when they not only lost their Lands, Lost their heritage and also lost their over One Thousand Years old Zoroastrian Faith

Alexander's Triumph over the Persian is actually a separate Vision of Daniel and not related to Daniel 2/7. The Defeat of the Persian by Alexander was prophesied in Daniel Chapter 8. If you read Daniel 8, all the places mentioned are in Persia. Even the battle that eventually gave Alexander that Victory which was fought by a River was all in Persia. After this defeat, Persia still stood up to the Romans for another 500/550 years undefeated.

And if you think the Greeks emerged from Roman Empire then the Vision of Daniel is at best useless. For Daniel clearly states that the Four Wind/Beasts in his vision are Four Kingdoms.

Daniel also clearly states that the Ten Horns will be Kings in the last Beast, so, you saying they are Ten Nations is clearly off point.

As for your much awaited Anti Christ, the Vision of Daniel 2/7 never mentioned any of such.

Yes, the Antichrist will be a Jew. It is commonsensical. They failed to believe in the Original of course they will believe in the Fake.

That is why I said, the Jews still believe they will end Christianity and when they gain enough traction for that venture, you Christians will need the Muslim help.

You guys are supporting them in getting The Holy Land back, they are waxing stronger and stronger and you are hailing them. It is just a matter of time......

N.B

https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.3711/mode/1up

Find time and read about the Persians. Download and read their History and you will know who really conquered them.

Lukuluku69:




If you think Alexander the Great was the Conqueror of the Persians, then I am afraid your knowledge of World history is deficient. For out of that Defeat at the hands of Alexander, the Persians rose and still conquer many a number of Greeks City States. True, Alexander dealt them a blow but it was never a Death Blow as Muslims dealt them when they not only lost their Lands, Lost their heritage and also lost their over One Thousand Years old Zoroastrian Faith

Alexander's Triumph over the Persian is actually a separate Vision of Daniel and not related to Daniel 2/7. The Defeat of the Persian by Alexander was prophesied in Daniel Chapter 8. If you read Daniel 8, all the places mentioned are in Persia. Even the battle that eventually gave Alexander that Victory which was fought by a River was all in Persia. After this defeat, Persia still stood up to the Romans for another 500/550 years undefeated.

And if you think the Greeks emerged from Roman Empire then the Vision of Daniel is at best useless. For Daniel clearly states that the Four Wind/Beasts in his vision are Four Kingdoms.

Daniel also clearly states that the Ten Horns will be Kings in the last Beast, so, you saying they are Ten Nations is clearly off point.

As for your much awaited Anti Christ, the Vision of Daniel 2/7 never mentioned any of such.

Yes, the Antichrist will be a Jew. It is commonsensical. They failed to believe in the Original of course they will believe in the Fake.

That is why I said, the Jews still believe they will end Christianity and when they gain enough traction for that venture, you Christians will need the Muslim help.

You guys are supporting them in getting The Holy Land back, they are waxing stronger and stronger and you are hailing them. It is just a matter of time......

Greek from Roman?
You are a Muslim, we Christians view the prophecies differently and explain them with historical and contemporary events.

I don't want to discuss the issue of Daniel's prophecy further.
Sure, Israel will rebuild their temple. It is likely one aggrieved person will blow up the Dome of the Rock.

It was once thought that Israel would not come to their land. According to prophet Isaiah and the rest.
One Emir even blocked a gate where Christ would take in Jerusalem when aHe returns. Hahaha. Alawada..


By the way, you Muslims believe that Christian bible is corrupted. You still believe in the prophecy of Daniel? Have christians altered the prophecies also?

Lukuluku69:


You will find my submissions on page 2 of this Thread. You can go thru them if you so wish. The Moniker is Lukuluku69.

you should not have quoted me if your not serious.

MightySparrow:




Greek from Roman?
You are a Muslim, we Christians view the prophecies differently and explain them with historical and contemporary events.

I don't want to discuss the issue of Daniel's prophecy further.
Sure, Israel will rebuild their temple. It is likely one aggrieved person will blow up the Dome of the Rock.

It was once thought that Israel would not come to their land. According to prophet Isaiah and the rest.
One Emir even blocked a gate where Christ would take in Jerusalem when aHe returns. Hahaha. Alawada..


By the way, you Muslims believe that Christian bible is corrupted. You still believe in the prophecy of Daniel? Have christians altered the prophecies also?

You viewed Daniel Prophecy differently because you failed to see what the Seer himself said about his Vision. He even explained it!

It is okay if you don't want further discussions on a Thread you created! Funny isn't it? You opened it to gain more knowledge and different perspectives from what you already had but it seems my submissions is not sitting down with your established views. You are not seeing or hearing what you want to hear! No be so?

No one thought Israel would come back? Then your Bible knowledge is a little bit shallow. Even the Quran says, they will be back before they are set up for the final blow!

Which Emir block Gate say make Christ no come? Please name him for me!

As for the Various Books that form the Bible ( for they are a collection of many books, some Prophetic, some mere words and thoughts of men).

We Muslims affirm the Truths of those Words of God and that of His Prophets but those ones by Men no matter how noble can't be Words of God. The Bible has within it pages, the Words of God, that of God's Prophets and Words of Men. We take the First Two and throw away the last.

And how do you know the words of men? When they say a thing and it never come to pass. Those are words of Men like the Accounts in Revelations.

I am also seeing a FIRST here, Someone that Open a Thread and after 5 Pages, he said he doesn't want to hear any further discussion on same!

The Prophecy of Daniel stands on its own merit.

EMILO2STAY:
you should not have quoted me if your not serious.

Who quoted who?

Are you new on Nairaland?

Click on your posts and see where the mentions starts from.

And if you still want to read my submissions, go to page No. 2 on this thread.

Lukuluku69:


You viewed Daniel Prophecy differently because you failed to see what the Seer himself said about his Vision. He even explained it!

It is okay if you don't want further discussions on a Thread you created! Funny isn't it? You opened it to gain more knowledge and different perspectives from what you already had but it seems my submissions is not sitting down with your established views. You are not seeing or hearing what you want to hear! No be so?

No one thought Israel would come back? Then your Bible knowledge is a little bit shallow. Even the Quran says, they will be back before they are set up for the final blow!

Which Emir block Gate say make Christ no come? Please name him for me!

As for the Various Books that form the Bible ( for they are a collection of many books, some Prophetic, some mere words and thoughts of men).

We Muslims affirm the Truths of those Words of God and that of His Prophets but those ones by Men no matter how noble can't be Words of God. The Bible has within it pages, the Words of God, that of God's Prophets and Words of Men. We take the First Two and throw away the last.

And how do you know the words of men? When they say a thing and it never come to pass. Those are words of Men like the Accounts in Revelations.

I am also seeing a FIRST here, Someone that Open a Thread and after 5 Pages, he said he doesn't want to hear any further discussion on same!

No story.

MightySparrow:



No story.

You can run along now.

Lukuluku69:


Who quoted who?

Are you new on Nairaland?

Click on your posts and see where the mentions starts from.

And if you still want to read my submissions, go to page No. 2 on this thread.

you should have shown me straight away or briefly how the book of daniel speaks on islam and lets dissect from there. dont point me back just state the passages and verses.