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Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:06pm On Jul 30, 2023
bobestman:
It is cos it is not the true story but have some truth. There are ancient books that predates the bible and many of the bible stories was copied from. There were god men who ruled the world before Adam was created. Adam was created in the heavens and placed on earth. The Creator created another kind of men different from the god men he want to rule the world. This angered and made the rebelious god men jealous. They created another kind of men like the Creator they want to use to spoil the Creator's plan and corrupt the true seed. So in you bible their are 2 Adams, a Creator and gods who also created. The gods created their own version of everything the creator created to hide the truth - this is the god game! The gods rule this world. Endtime/the age of Acquarious/the age of the truth is the end of the god game. This is why your bible is all about the ppl called Isreal. They only are of the pure bloodline of the Creator and will save the world from the gods and their control over men.

You need to elaborate more on this because it is a bit confusing . Can you provide a source for this?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 3:07pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


That there are one or two different stories is quite plain to see.

God said,"do not eat" to two beings that had no actual knowledge of what was good or bad.

And it would have been very simple for God not allow that tree to be there if He wanted, and easy for Him too not to allow the serpent there too, so God knows exactly what is going to happen and there is nothing that happened there by chance
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:07pm On Jul 30, 2023
mbaise1000:

I know

Please elaborate more and provide sources. Thanks.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 3:10pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


Please elaborate more and provide sources. Thanks.
My source is the bible and tell me what exactly you want me to elaborate on and I will do that
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:11pm On Jul 30, 2023
Maynman:

The stories are gotten from different sources hence the “doublet”.

Can you please elaborate on this 1. Priestley. 2. Yahwehist. and 3
Deuteronomy sources. Thanks.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:13pm On Jul 30, 2023
Error.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:18pm On Jul 30, 2023
mbaise1000:

My source is the bible and tell me what exactly you want me to elaborate on and I will do that

This-

Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Dantedasz(m): 3:22pm On Jul 30, 2023
Veecruz:


Or the Babylon stories were created for the purpose covering and misrepresenting the Truth.

Not everyone loves lies like you

The Babylonian stories were written eons before the bible. The Bible was cleverly copied from these myths. You need to do a little research at times but knowing you for who you are,you would rather trade insults. : undecided
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 3:34pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


Can you please elaborate on this 1. Priestley. 2. Yahwehist. and 3
Deuteronomy sources. Thanks.
You will have to do it yourself. It’s easy to learn jewish mythologies.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:38pm On Jul 30, 2023
Maynman:

You will have to do it yourself. It’s easy to learn jewish mythologies.

Ok.
I will try and do a goggle search. I just thought it would be easier if you were to guide me to your source.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 3:41pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


Ok.
I will try and do a goggle search. I just thought it would be easier if you were to guide me to your source.
I don’t have any source, and I don’t want you to “believe” me, I’d rather you find out yourself and “know”.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 3:42pm On Jul 30, 2023
Maynman:

I don’t have any source, and I don’t want you to “believe” me, I’d rather you find out yourself and “know”.

It looks interesting.

Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by ReacherSaidNoth: 4:19pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


While this may be true you have to remember we are dealing with omnipotence here. God can will anything into existence.
Where is the proof that Yahweh of Israel is a real entity, let alone omnipotent?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 5:57pm On Jul 30, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
Where is the proof that Yahweh of Israel is a real entity, let alone omnipotent?

I am actually talking in the context of the two creation stories in the Bible.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by ReacherSaidNoth: 6:09pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


I am actually talking in the context of the two creation stories in the Bible.
The scientific errors in the narrative suggests it is the work of ignorant people and like the others have said, it is mostly copied mythology.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(f): 6:15pm On Jul 30, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
The scientific errors in the narrative suggests it is the work of ignorant people and like the others have said, it is mostly copied mythology.


So why are so many scientists/scientific people adherents of this narrative(book)?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by ReacherSaidNoth: 7:38pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:



So why are so many scientists/scientific people adherents of this narrative(book)?
Childhood indoctrination is a powerful chain most find difficult to break inspite of education.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 8:02pm On Jul 30, 2023
Veecruz:


Does ability to do anything prevent the stopping and taking a rest?

An omnipotent being taking a rest is a contradiction in itself.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 8:07pm On Jul 30, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
Childhood indoctrination is a powerful chain most find difficult to break inspite of education.

Quite frankly I think it is more than the indoctrination. More of the fear of the unknown. There is really no proof of the existence of gods nor is there really any proof for their non existence. Most people probably just want to be on the safe side incase hell is real! grin
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by confusedlady(f): 8:15pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:
Please can someone enlighten on why there appear to be two creation stories?
Why God did not know that man~Adam and Eve would eat from the forbidden fruit,when they lacked the knowledge of good and bad. Or was it freewill at work?
I would appreciate answers from those who are more enlightened.
Thank you.



There is only one creation story in Genesis. Chapter one explains the creation of everything on a broad scale,while chapter two explains the creation story more in detail. The two chapters are an inter relationship of each other. Chapter two explains Chapter one in detail.
As for the second question God knows everything. He is omniscient. Every human created has a free will to choose right or wrong.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 9:13pm On Jul 30, 2023
One can see examples of these different sources when comparing similar biblical stories. For example, the Creation myth of Genesis 1:1 has God/Elohim create the world, then Genesis 2:5–25 has God/Yahweh make the world; these two Creation myths differ from each other on both substantive and stylistic issues. There are other places in which the biblical narrative covers the same ground two or more times. For example, in Genesis there are three stories in which a patriarch fools a foreign king about the status of the patriarch’s wife, claiming her instead to be his sister. This event is reported between Abraham and Pharaoh over Sarah (12:10–20), with Abraham and Abimelekh over Sarah (20:2–18), and with Isaac and Abimelekh over Rebekah (26:1–11). Moreover, there are two Flood stories in Genesis 7: in the first only certain animals (e.g., seven pairs of clean animals and seven pairs of birds) are brought onto the Ark (Genesis 7:2–3), while in the second all living animals are brought in pairs to the Ark (Genesis 7:8–9 and 7:14–16).

These and other indications have persuaded biblical scholars that there are four strands interwoven in the Pentateuch: the Yahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, and Priestly—hence J, E, D, and P. The Yahwist’s account, written in the time of David and Solomon around 950 BCE, asks these questions about the Jewish empire: For what purpose was this empire created? For how long will it exist? Why was the gift of the empire granted to the Jews? J is a firm and final statement. At this point in history, the Jews looked backward in time to account for the period of greatness at hand. The Yahwist’s account, produced at the height of the glory of the Davidic monarchy, told the story of the federation of the tribes of Israel, now a single kingdom under Solomon—with a focus on Zion and Jerusalem, the metropolis of the federation.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 9:13pm On Jul 30, 2023
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 10:17pm On Jul 30, 2023
TheMadame:


Please elaborate more and provide sources. Thanks.

What I was trying to say is that there was no two creations, and that God doesn't make mistakes, that, He knew what he was doing, that he was the one that allowed the serpent in the garden and the one who put the tree in the middle of it, He allowed everything and planned it to express his attributes, that he isn't God because He created things, after all man is constantly creating things, He is God because He demands worship and deserves worship, He know what will happen in advance.
Simply put, He planned everything, if we want yo believe that he is all knowing, what happened in the garden of Eden is among everything else
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Samunique(m): 7:41am On Jul 31, 2023
TheMadame:


I went over it again as you suggested . They may be one story,but they are told in different ways certainly.
Genesis 2 is the details of the account of creation.

For instance, during the creation of man in chapter 1:26-28, these verses never explain the details about Adam's creation until you read Genesis 2 vs 7.

Likewise, more explanations are given about the creation of the woman, how and why she was created. So Genesis chapter 2 gives the details of the creation and expounds on it.

On a simple term, Genesis chapter 2 explains the account of creation that begins in chapter one in details.......
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 9:16am On Jul 31, 2023
mbaise1000:


What I was trying to say is that there was no two creations, and that God doesn't make mistakes, that, He knew what he was doing, that he was the one that allowed the serpent in the garden and the one who put the tree in the middle of it, He allowed everything and planned it to express his attributes, that he isn't God because He created things, after all man is constantly creating things, He is God because He demands worship and deserves worship, He know what will happen in advance.
Simply put, He planned everything, if we want yo believe that he is all knowing, what happened in the garden of Eden is among everything else
Why then did he regret if he planned everything?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 2:00pm On Jul 31, 2023
Maynman:

Why then did he regret if he planned everything?

If you say God regrets anything, it means that disagree when He also said that, He knows you even before you are born, that He knows every single strand of hair on your head.
It was also said in the bible that THOSE whom He PREDESTINATE, Them He also CALLED.
He also told pharoah that, FOR these purpose I created you, that I will prove my power on you.
Like I said before, was He not the one that put that tree in the garden of Eden?
It's His film, His play
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 2:02pm On Jul 31, 2023
mbaise1000:


If you say God regrets anything, it means that disagree when He also said that
What does this mean
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Veecruz: 3:18pm On Jul 31, 2023
Caveatemptor:


An omnipotent being taking a rest is a contradiction in itself.

Gosh, what a devil. I pity anyone who works under you. What a slaver. Real caveat emptor. Everybody suppose run from you since you be devil true true. A caterpillar does not stop being powerfull since its engine is turned off not a submarine weak since it is in break water mode.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Veecruz: 3:37pm On Jul 31, 2023
Dantedasz:


The Babylonian stories were written eons before the bible. The Bible was cleverly copied from these myths. You need to do a little research at times but knowing you for who you are,you would rather trade insults. : undecided

And even in their days they had liars and devils too. So it doesn't matter who reports first but we know who reports the Truth
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Veecruz: 3:48pm On Jul 31, 2023
TheMadame:


That there are one or two different stories is quite plain to see.

God said,"do not eat" to two beings that had no actual knowledge of what was good or bad.

Now you have moved post from saying "God did not know,".

They didn't need to know what is good or bad but they certainly knew that they were supposed to have continued obeying God. So no case.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 4:23pm On Jul 31, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
Where is the proof that Yahweh of Israel is a real entity, let alone omnipotent?

Isreal is today exactly where God Said they would always be even He removed them from there.

This is clearly an unassailable proof of Him and His Power.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 4:26pm On Jul 31, 2023
Caveatemptor:


Quite frankly I think it is more than the indoctrination. More of the fear of the unknown. There is really no proof of the existence of gods nor is there really any proof for their non existence. Most people probably just want to be on the safe side incase hell is real! grin

It is because God was undeniable in the past.

You are the very generation which the bible prophecied will come and now you prove that also True.

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