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Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 4:37pm On Jul 31, 2023
Caveatemptor:
One can see examples of these different sources when comparing similar biblical stories..

Only people with dark and evil minds read a report or story looking for holes and whether they join or e no join.

As shown in family and romance section, when people are reporting what they witnessed, they do not care whether it is perfect and flawless. All they just want to do is to tell us what they have seen and experienced.

Its as simple as that.

But surely it is sadistic evils like you people who read for the purposes of trolling and bashing especially when you people see something you hate in it.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 4:39pm On Jul 31, 2023
Samunique:
Genesis 2 is the details of the account of creation.

For instance, during the creation of man in chapter 1:26-28, these verses never explain the details about Adam's creation until you read Genesis 2 vs 7.

Likewise, more explanations are given about the creation of the woman, how and why she was created. So Genesis chapter 2 gives the details of the creation and expounds on it.

On a simple term, Genesis chapter 2 explains the account of creation that begins in chapter one in details.......

Tell them.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 4:42pm On Jul 31, 2023
Maynman:

Why then did he regret if he planned everything?

Because His plan included joy and blessing when man does well and regret and punishment when he does.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 7:56pm On Jul 31, 2023
Veecruz:


Gosh, what a devil. I pity anyone who works under you. What a slaver. Real caveat emptor. Everybody suppose run from you since you be devil true true. A caterpillar does not stop being powerfull since its engine is turned off not a submarine weak since it is in break water mode.

Oga,
I am not the entity claiming omnipotence . Stop comparing mortal beings to self claimed omnipotent beings. The concept of an omnipotent being taking a rest is ridiculous. The concept of an omniscient entity having regrets and being sad because of his actions is just so absurd!
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 8:03pm On Jul 31, 2023
vdestro:


Only people with dark and evil minds read a report or story looking for holes and whether they join or e no join.

As shown in family and romance section, when people are reporting what they witnessed, they do not care whether it is perfect and flawless. All they just want to do is to tell us what they have seen and experienced.

Its as simple as that.

But surely it is sadistic evils like you people who read for the purposes of trolling and bashing especially when you people see something you hate in it.





I hope you can open your mind for a few minutes to watch this video. Centuries before the book of Genesis was written there were Babylonian stories that are stunningly similar to the creation stories in Genesis and these stories were sometimes told twice.
In exactly the same way there is a dual creation story in the Bible. Someone must have copied from the other person.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I7N-Gw3vRw
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 8:48pm On Jul 31, 2023
Maynman:

What does this mean

What I was trying to say is that. When you accept that God knows the beginning and the end of what he made, will he regret making that thing? Like I said, the bible said there are people who are PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF JESUS CHRIST the point here is PREDESTINATE, if a people can be PREDESTINED, it means that he that predistined know what is going to happen
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 8:50pm On Jul 31, 2023
mbaise1000:


What I was trying to say is that. When you accept that God knows the beginning and the end of what he made, will he regret making that thing? Like I said, the bible said there are people who are PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF JESUS CHRIST the point here is PREDESTINATE, if a people can be PREDESTINED, it means that he that predistined know what is going to happen
If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Adam and Eve sinning was all his plan.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 1:46pm On Aug 01, 2023
Caveatemptor:

I hope you can open your mind for a few minutes to watch this video...

Before youtube videos was natural guide and that Guide taught us and led us to know things which are true.

And even here there are many blogs, talking about the same subject matter in different ways, but no matter what blog you choose to read, all in all you are supposed to get the Truth of their report. We all know Truth, however people do not like Truth, so they would take the new which they like even of it is not True.

My stand is people know Truth but they have a right to choose a lie, which is what you doing.

Copy or not, Truth is Truth and the bible is True.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 8:03pm On Aug 01, 2023
Maynman:

If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Adam and Eve sinning was all his plan.

Jesus said, it is WRITTEN that the soon of man must, suffer and be killed but cursed be that person through whom it will be DONE.
He was talking of Judas
Jesus said that the BASES of the judgement is that LIGHT CAME BUT MAN chose darkness
What you will ask yourself is why are some people doing the right thing and living right while some are not? When you see opportunity to do evil without anyone finding out and you decide not to do it, And you feel good you DID not do it, another will see the same opportunity and will do it most without regrets, and will repeat it over and over, these are choices made by two different people, why will that person who will do that evil not tell himself that I am not made to be like THIS?
When Jesus told his disciples to go and preach the good news to the whole world, he said those who accept and are baptized will be saved and that their words will be a witness against those that did not accept,
When Jesus was talking to his disciples about the conditions for divorce, and his disciples said that "if it's so , then it's difficult for man"" Jesus Christ told them that the law is made for THOSE that will keep it, it's not made for everyone to keep and it's those that keep it that will be SAVED, we can't question the creator,
But nothing stops you from saying to yourself, these good thing or right lifestyle is what God made me to do and continue like that till the end. You will be saved, it's certainly not going to be easy, it can even be in endurance and Jesus said that he that ENDURES to the end is the one that can be SAVED.
And yes, you can say Adam and Eve sinning was part of his plan because it all points to the redemption of man through Jesus Christ, Jehovah being the God of grace and mercy, manifesting His attributes as ever
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 8:06pm On Aug 01, 2023
mbaise1000:


Jesus said, it is WRITTEN that the soon of man must, suffer and be killed but cursed be that person through whom it will be DONE.
He was talking of Judas
Jesus said that the BASES of the judgement is that LIGHT CAME BUT MAN chose darkness
What you will ask yourself is why are some people doing the right thing and living right while some are not? When you see opportunity to do evil without anyone finding out and you decide not to do it, And you feel good you DID not do it, another will see the same opportunity and will do it most without regrets, and will repeat it over and over, these are choices made by two different people, why will that person who will do that evil not tell himself that I am not made to be like THIS?
When Jesus told his disciples to go and preach the good news to the whole world, he said those who accept and are baptized will be saved and that their words will be a witness against those that did not accept,
When Jesus was talking to his disciples about the conditions for divorce, and his disciples said that "if it's so , then it's difficult for man"" Jesus Christ told them that the law is made for THOSE that will keep it, it's not made for everyone to keep and it's those that keep it that will be SAVED, we can't question the creator,
But nothing stops you from saying to yourself, these good thing or right lifestyle is what God made me to do and continue like that till the end. You will be saved, it's certainly not going to be easy, it can even be in endurance and Jesus said that he that ENDURES to the end is the one that can be SAVED
If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Adam and Eve sinning was all his plan.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 9:04pm On Aug 01, 2023
vdestro:


Before youtube videos was natural guide and that Guide taught us and led us to know things which are true.

And even here there are many blogs, talking about the same subject matter in different ways, but no matter what blog you choose to read, all in all you are supposed to get the Truth of their report. We all know Truth, however people do not like Truth, so they would take the new which they like even of it is not True.

My stand is people know Truth but they have a right to choose a lie, which is what you doing.

Copy or not, Truth is Truth and the bible is True.


Just like that??
Give us proof that the Bible is true.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 10:36am On Aug 02, 2023
Maynman:

If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Adam and Eve sinning was all his plan.
You have asked this before and I have addressed it
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 10:50am On Aug 02, 2023
mbaise1000:

You have asked this before and I have addressed it
You did not.

read again.


If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Adam and Eve sinning was all his plan.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by KnownUnknown: 11:00am On Aug 02, 2023
mbaise1000:


Jesus said, it is WRITTEN that the soon of man must, suffer and be killed but cursed be that person through whom it will be DONE.
He was talking of Judas

So in this convoluted scheme, Judas was an unwitting pawn that was inherently cursed.
Lol, silly freaking nonsense.
The day you people realize the sheer stupidity of your abrahamic slave ideologies is the day you become free.

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Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 12:17pm On Aug 02, 2023
Caveatemptor:


Just like that??
Give us proof that the Bible is true.

Easy. Rust shows that a car is made from iron and sand and dust shows that a house is made of sand, so also does the turning of man and animals and trees to dust when they die prove that they were all made from the earth and the dust of the earth, exactly as the bible Said.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 12:41pm On Aug 02, 2023
vdestro:


Easy. Rust shows that a car is made from iron and sand and dust shows that a house is made of sand, so also does the turning of man and animals and trees to dust when they die prove that they were all made from the earth and the dust of the earth, exactly as the bible Said.

This is your evidence that the Bible is true?
People that accused you of being the dumbest theist on these boards was certainly not in error. I rest my case.

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Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by vdestro: 12:59pm On Aug 02, 2023
Caveatemptor:

This is your evidence that the Bible is true?
People that accused you of being the dumbest theist on these boards was certainly not in error. I rest my case.

Please rebut it if you can and show that i am truly dumb if not it is you who is the dumbest atheists.

For everyone knows that everything is evidence of something else. So, counter if you can, IF NOT THIS JUST PROVES THAT YOU WERE RUNNING BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT ANSWER.

So, you are just insulting me because you can not challenge nor counter this self evident and proven Truth by any reasonable means.

You cant and that is why you are running away like the devil that you are.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 10:17am On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:

You did not.

read again.


If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Adam and Eve sinning was all his plan.

The free will you have is the decisions you make, there are people who are doing it right, the right THINGS, you can ask yourself, why can't I do it Right? Now if you are living right, why can't you start living wrong and say God want me to live wrong? So the free will here is simply because you must give account of All your actions, we cannot ask God why he did or choose whoever He WANTS for whatever that is why the bible said, the pot cannot ask the potter why did you make me so.
Another example I will give is when Jesus was teaching people I'm parables, and His disciples asked Him why He will teach in parables, He told them that it wasn't for those ones to understand lest they be SAVED, but that it was for his followers and he will explain THOSE parables to them according to the bible. So there are people who are destined noyvto be SAVED, again, the bible talked about THOSE that their names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, the foundation was before anyone was born, it's God who wrote that and He has His reasons
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 10:18am On Aug 03, 2023
mbaise1000:


The free will you have is the decisions you make, there are people who are doing it right, the right THINGS, you can ask yourself, why can't I do it Right? Now if you are living right, why can't you start living wrong and say God want me to live wrong? So the free will here is simply because you must give account of All your actions, we cannot ask God why he did or choose whoever He WANTS for whatever that is why the bible said, the pot cannot ask the potter why did you make me so.
Another example I will give is when Jesus was teaching people I'm parables, and His disciples asked Him why He will teach in parables, He told them that it wasn't for those ones to understand lest they be SAVED, but that it was for his followers and he will explain THOSE parables to them according to the bible. So there are people who are destined noyvto be SAVED, again, the bible talked about THOSE that their names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, the foundation was before anyone was born, it's God who wrote that and He has His reasons
If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 10:23am On Aug 03, 2023
KnownUnknown:


So in this convoluted scheme, Judas was an unwitting pawn that was inherently cursed.
Lol, silly freaking nonsense.
The day you people realize the sheer stupidity of your abrahamic slave ideologies is the day you become free.

GOD has His ways and He does His things in His own ways, you are free to see and understand it anyway you want, it was God who created Judas in the FIRST place and it was Him that allowed to be among the 12,
Then instead of resorting to insults, you can always say what whatever you believe in told you is the correct thing, I wouldn't know if you believe in anything at all, if you do let's hear it, a person who is supposed to be free according to you shouldn't be afraid of saying hlwhere they stand, though I doubt very much if you are really free as you think, I said so because people who are free don't display such anger and frustrations as you showed through your comment
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by KnownUnknown: 10:38am On Aug 03, 2023
mbaise1000:


GOD has His ways and He does His things in His own ways, you are free to see and understand it anyway you want, it was God who created Judas in the FIRST place and it was Him that allowed to be among the 12,
Then instead of resorting to insults, you can always say what whatever you believe in told you is the correct thing, I wouldn't know if you believe in anything at all, if you do let's hear it, a person who is supposed to be free according to you shouldn't be afraid of saying hlwhere they stand, though I doubt very much if you are really free as you think, I said so because people who are free don't display such anger and frustrations as you showed through your comment

Awwwwww shut up!!! Lol, I’m just laughing at you people now. Brain addled perpetual slaves from the common man to the leaders. I just read that Lagos governor’s wife blamed an elevator accident on “spiritual attack”. Lol, I’m done.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 3:04pm On Aug 03, 2023
mbaise1000:


The free will you have is the decisions you make, there are people who are doing it right, the right THINGS, you can ask yourself, why can't I do it Right? Now if you are living right, why can't you start living wrong and say God want me to live wrong? So the free will here is simply because you must give account of All your actions, we cannot ask God why he did or choose whoever He WANTS for whatever that is why the bible said, the pot cannot ask the potter why did you make me so.
Another example I will give is when Jesus was teaching people I'm parables, and His disciples asked Him why He will teach in parables, He told them that it wasn't for those ones to understand lest they be SAVED, but that it was for his followers and he will explain THOSE parables to them according to the bible. So there are people who are destined noyvto be SAVED, again, the bible talked about THOSE that their names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, the foundation was before anyone was born, it's God who wrote that and He has His reasons


Good day oga

Can you please elaborate on this Bible passage about the King of Egypt and Moses in relation to free will and predetermination.

Exodus 9 verse 12.


12 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 4:12pm On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:

If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?

Unless you say that God makes mistakes or doesn't know what He is doing, or doesn't know, you even before you are born, you will have to accept the explanations I have ALREADY given or you have an explanation of your own, then we continue, then you will also have to tell me if you believe that God created you or you believe in another thing, all this will help me to explain better to you
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 4:14pm On Aug 03, 2023
mbaise1000:


Unless you say that God makes mistakes or doesn't know what He is doing, or doesn't know, you even before you are born, you will have to accept the explanations I have ALREADY given or you have an explanation of your own, then we continue, then you will also have to tell me if you believe that God created you or you believe in another thing, all this will help me to explain better to you
You mean yahweh?

If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?

It’s either your god is not all knowing then you have free will, but if he is all knowing, what free will do you have?
And he already knows the beginning to end, everyone is playing his script, what a sadistic creator you serve
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 4:19pm On Aug 03, 2023
KnownUnknown:


Awwwwww shut up!!! Lol, I’m just laughing at you people now. Brain addled perpetual slaves from the common man to the leaders. I just read that Lagos governor’s wife blamed an elevator accident on “spiritual attack”. Lol, I’m done.

That woman has her own faith and is entitled to her opinion, it's what she believes in and is happy about it, on the last days she will answer to what she believes in and will find out whether she is correct or you are correct meanwhile, in what way are you better or happier than that woman?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 4:28pm On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:

You mean yahweh?

If he knows the beginning to end, then how do you have free will?

It’s either your god is not all knowing then you have free will, but if he is all knowing, what free will do you have?
And he already knows the beginning to end, everyone is playing his script, what a sadistic creator you serve

No, he is not sadistic, though you saying it doesn't make any difference, every one heard the word, some accept and some doesn't, if you decide, you are created to live right and live right, you are created to live right, it6your decision, of otherwise, it's also your decision, you are the one that made that decision, nothing stops you from making that decision that's freewill.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Maynman: 4:35pm On Aug 03, 2023
mbaise1000:


No, he is not sadistic, though you saying it doesn't make any difference, every one heard the word, some accept and some doesn't, if you decide, you are created to live right and live right, you are created to live right, it6your decision, of otherwise, it's also your decision, you are the one that made that decision, nothing stops you from making that decision that's freewill.
He is a sadistic murderer, and you defending your deity doesn’t make any difference.
Who created you?
Who gave you your desires?
Who gave you weaknesses to those desires?
Who gave you your evil desires?
Is the same god all knowing

How then do you have freewill?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by Caveatemptor(m): 7:00pm On Aug 03, 2023
Caveatemptor:



Good day oga

Can you please elaborate on this Bible passage about the King of Egypt and Moses in relation to free will and predetermination.

Exodus 9 verse 12.


12 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.


@mbaise1000. grin
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 1:12am On Aug 04, 2023
Caveatemptor:


@mbaise1000. grin

Will you agree that God knows exactly those who will be saved even BEFORE they are born?
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 1:25am On Aug 04, 2023
Maynman:

He is a sadistic murderer, and you defending your deity doesn’t make any difference.
Who created you?
Who gave you your desires?
Who gave you weaknesses to those desires?
Who gave you your evil desires?
Is the same god all knowing

How then do you have freewill?

I will answer you like this: I believe that personally God created me to live a good life and that I am among THOSE that He wrote their name in the book of life from the foundation of the world, and I know that there are things required of THOSE, and I am doing THOSE things and having in mind that there are things I am supposed to avoid, though it is not easy, but that is my hope, I decide to push on, it's a choice, I made, that's free will.
another person may decide to live anyhow, and not follow that way that leads to that salvation, and believe whatever he WANTS, it's his choice, and this person certainly must have heard that there is a way to live to be SAVED, that is why Jesus Said that the gospel must be preached to the end of the earth before the world, that it will be a witness against THOSE that does not believe.
Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 1:35am On Aug 04, 2023
Caveatemptor:



Good day oga

Can you please elaborate on this Bible passage about the King of Egypt and Moses in relation to free will and predetermination.

Exodus 9 verse 12.


Pharoah know that with or without the Israelites, that Egypt will still exist, because Egypt were doing well before the Israelites came, but he wouldn't listen, it's, his choice, Egypt and their pharoah had their magicians whom they believe in in those days, they don't believe in God, he, pharoah believed that he is strong enough to stop the Israelites, and he took the actions he felt is good or enough for him, that's his free will, he and his magicians should have retreated,
Now do you accept that God can do whatever He likes and you have no right to question Him? BTW who created you?

12 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.

Re: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by mbaise1000: 1:47am On Aug 04, 2023
Caveatemptor:



Good day oga

Can you please elaborate on this Bible passage about the King of Egypt and Moses in relation to free will and predetermination.

Exodus 9 verse 12.


12 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.


Pharoah had his magicians whom he believed in, he doesn't believe in God, he knew Egypt can do without Israel, but still wanted to hold them, he believed his might would have stopped Israel from leaving and he was determined to use that might to stop them, that's pharoah usinghis free will.
BTW who created you? Do you believe that God can do whatever He wants at all times and for whatever reason He wants and you have no right to ask Him questions? If it wasn't God who created you, can you please tell me how you got here?

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