MyExpression:


Setting up a new state and council administration is very expensive.

Can Ilorin sustain herself in terms of resources et al?

Remember the backlash Tinubu got from Obasanjo when he increased Lagos state's LGAs

Aside that, are the indigenous Yoruba people of Ilorin willing to relinquish their rights to the Nupe people

Lands are owned by conquest or ancestral settlement.
The war is over. They have been well compensated.

Let the real owners of the land breathe.

lawani:


Ilorin, Jebba, Offa are different states lumped together by Nigeria in a strange Kwara state the meaning of which is not known to any native of the area

MyExpression:


Wahala.
E no go easy to govern three states joined together...yet with different religious and cultural leaning.
There's no homogeneity amongst them.
Really hard to govern.

That means Kwara go big well well o.

Funny enough, we rarely hear of conflicts in Kwara state. They are rarely in the news for anything good/bad.

Aside from more state separation what can be done......no one seems to be complaining tho, except outsiders like us, showing brotherly concern...coz man is born free, and should live free.

OVB123:
Look at this baby insulting his father's mate. I don't blame you.

lawani:


The problem is how to create the states. There was a laid down procedure left by the British but the current constitution have messed it up. The existence of the Senate is the biggest impedance. There are clamors for state creation but the first step is to dissolve the Senate. Who will dissolve the Senate?. However the majority of Nigerian ethnic groups want to control their territory as used to be the case before colonisation

Stoplying:

The way you guys are obsessed with Benin is incredible, what in hell links Benin to this event, yet you had to mention the Oba of Benin whose title your monarchs keep using fraudulently as if they have forgotten their own titles. You clearly lack understanding of history and seem to believe the current political structure in the land mass of Nigeria has always been in place.
Let me open your eyes a little, here is a Precolonial map of Africa, locate Benin on it, and look for Ife on it. That will tell you the difference in importance between Benin empire and Ife village !
Do you know how insulting it is to say that the king of a large sovereign country got his crown from a village head called Oni of Ife ?

Most of you guys don't understand that Benin Kingdom/empire was a country ! An independent country until it lost a war to the UK! What exactly was Ife if not a village !

OceanRed:


You are a complete dulard!, illitrate and extremely dumb. simply google oyo empire to have complete understanding of how vast the yoruba is. the current Benin republic was formally under oyo empire. it is diffrent from benin kindom which is currently a state in Nigeria!

MyExpression:


Exactly.

We have to keep finding a way to live together in harmony...or split back into our territory.

Afterall, the British is no longer here to force us to keep living together.
If the union isn't working...go ur separate ways

Stoplying:

Was Google around to witness "oyo empire" ?
However dumb I am, I know that when you make a claim, you present evidence to back it.
You need documents written by eyewitnesses which show your fabled "oyo empire".
Here is a map of Africa from 1747, where is oyo empire in it ?
History is not about emotions and ethnic bigotry, it is about evidence!

You can see one kingdom as big as Nigeria which goes by the name of "Kingdom of Benin", ruled by a monarch with the title Oba who lives in the capital of the kingdom, Benin city.

lawani:
The capital of Benin empire was a Yoruba city of around 50k people and it was illegal to speak any language in the city other than Yoruba but Edo was maintained in the suburbs outside the palace walls. Edo was not spoken outside that area for thousands of years before colonisation but Yoruba is spoken up to Onitsha in the past while it is still spoken in Ugbodu Delta state today and these are evidences of Benin being a Yoruba empire with Yoruba lingua franca and other provincial languages like Edo. It was Edo people themselves that invited the Yoruba to be administering them according to the direction of their oracle. These Yorubas established towns and gave them Yoruba names like Ago onibode ie Agenebode a sentry post, also Ughotoun which is Ogotun the Yoruba city of Olodumare. Benin empire could not have been possible without the Yoruba language and this is not even debatable as the language still transcends that territory even today and all European records show Yoruba being spoken in the capital. Edo people entered the city when the empire fell and the bulk of the original Benin elite left the capital in large numbers according to an account I read. However today the Benin King is Edo and that is okay but arguing about something that can't be denied is not academic. The capital and the empire was Yoruba or was it Edo language that was being used as lingua franca? Which language was lingua franca? because Edo today can't be understood next door to Benin city. Albeit you can keep your narrative but it can be very annoying. It is illiteracy because the facts speak for itself.

Ologbo147:
please can you drop some materials that supports your argument of a Yoruba speaking empire. I would relish it, thank you

OceanRed:


You are more dumb than i actually thought, so google is now a lying machine right? the same google that you downloaded your map from, impressive!

lawani:


Do you have any material for an Edo speaking empire?. I have given you names of Benin towns established from the capital and the fact that the whole place is hemmed in by Yoruba speaking communities that are not even contiguous with each other or with the rest of Yoruba land and I have pointed out that for thousands of years Edo was spoken only in the Benin suburbs and is local only to Benin today with communities two miles away not able to understand the current Benin language. What other material do you need again?

lawani:


Do you have any material for an Edo speaking empire?. I have given you names of Benin towns established from the capital and the fact that the whole place is hemmed in by Yoruba speaking communities that are not even contiguous with each other or with the rest of Yoruba land and I have pointed out that for thousands of years Edo was spoken only in the Benin suburbs and is local only to Benin today with communities two miles away not able to understand the current Benin language. What other material do you need again?. You have Yoruba deities and have Ifa and Ogboni derived from the Yoruba etc though they say Ogboni was recently introduced. However today Benin is Edo and it is okay like that but history should be stated correctly.

Jarchi:



° Brodaman, See what wiki has to say °
***Jarchi***

Jarchi:



° Brodaman, the question now is who wrote this wiki and if wiki dey lie? Wiki one of the most trusted resources, plenty thesis go don fail be that. Read wiki first, don't quote me or ask me any question, I'm just quoting a reference°
***Jarchi***

Ologbo147:
Anyone using wiki as proof is not lettered, anybody can edit Wikipedia, there seem to be a Yoruba infusion into Benin in order to steal Bini’s glory. see someone interpreting Ughoton as Ughotoun-he calls it the city of Eledumare, One of our brother raised alarm that according to the short history of Benin written by Egharevba, the Edo version nowhere was it mentioned that the Heads of past Oba’s of Benin was taken to Ife, that it was after it was interpreted, that was when they now introduce that theory.

And besides I have raised alarm twice here on nairaland about the false population of Bini on Wikipedia on nairaland here. First, the population of Benin city on Wikipedia is wrong, the person placed wrong figure there with no proof whatsoever, tomorrow a neophyte would go on to that site and quote that figure

Yesterday it was just the population of Ikpoba Okha, that is also wrong, and has no foundation that I found yesterday. Anyone who will quote Wikipedia as is major source of information is allergic to research

Jarchi:





° Brodaman, so why haven't you edited it since anyone could edit wiki?°
***Jarchi***

Stoplying:

So he asked you for evidence and you provided him with done more unsubstantiated claims 🤣
Were you there thousands of years ago to see the situation which you describe ? No, therefore how did you get to know what you describe ? Where is the evidence ?
It doesn't suffice to just say something, you have to prove it !
Benin was a multi linguistic empire like most empires, and once again you seem to schizophrenicaly confuse Benin kingdom with its capital Benin city, also you don't seem to understand that what you have today and what you had 1000 years ago are two different situations.
And even today the Edo language is not restricted to Benin city, it has many variants including Anioma, Esan...
Do you know how annoying it is to have outsiders coming up to tell you (without evidence) to tell you your "history" ? Even when evidence contradicting the outsiders appears, all you see is modification of story or repeat of claim.

This whole thing is just about one thing: why are you guys obsessed with us? Talk about yourself, leave us alone.

It often seems you still do not understand that there is no need for debate since our region has been visited since the 1400's by people who wrote down what they saw. Oh, you do understand that, and that is why you guys pushed your fables back to one thousand years ago ! Because I and a few others kept debunking your claims with eye witness written documents! To make your baseless claims, you need a period of time which was not covered by history.
It doesn't even occure to you that it is impossible to say what happened 1000 years ago without eyewitness written documents! You still believe all you need to do is just create a story and tell it.

Ologbo147:
my brother I sincerely do not know how to do it because you have to add the reference to enable credibility

Stoplying:

Google is a search motor, you type things on Google and it looks for online content related to what you typed. More than 99% of what Google returns are complete garbage. You need to know how to use search motors in order to get true information. For example, you have no knowledge of history, you don't know how to search for maps, you will basically take any fake map which makes your claim. I am not like you, I'm educated, I know where to look and how to authenticate documents, I can even go to specialists in great European libraries if necessary. You can't do any of that.

Notice I brought a precolonial map to prove my point, you said "Google" to prove yours. With you yarri.ba guys, it is all about your mouth, never any proof, just mouth.

lawani:
Apart from Benin empire that you claim to be multilingual. Can you mention another empire in history with no lingua franca, that was multilingual like the Benin empire as you claim, that had no language of business used across the length of the state for easy administration?

lawani:


Are you educated at all?. I gave you academic proofs of things still existing today, what evidence more valid than that do you want?. I did not download anything from the internet. Ogotun, Agenebode, Ugbodumila and Onitsha are living things. How can you say they need to be proved and then claim you are an academic?. Esan is an Edoid language under the YEAI. It is more or let us say as different from Benin language as Oyo is different from Igala. The L1 languages of Anioma are Igbo, Yoruba (Olukunmi) and Igala. There are no Edoid languages there at all. Edo is restricted to Benin city. Edo was a provincial language of the empire, spoken in the suburbs of the capital in the past but now it is the language of Benin city but it was never the language of the Benin empire but the people that invited the Yoruba there were Edo and they renamed their capital to Ife Ibinu which later became Benin.

Jarchi:





° Brodaman, so why haven't you edited it since anyone could edit wiki?
Population grows we all know that.
So those 4 links at the bottom of wiki is useless?°
***Jarchi***

OceanRed:


lol.. you are funny bro , i wont insult or trade words with you. pre colonial map that yu got from google and you claimed that google returns garbage. how about you share the source of your map? lets start from there