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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:51am On Dec 14, 2023
2005 Nissan Civilian Bus.

29 seater , 6cylinder 4.5L Fuel injection, 5speed Manual Transmission.


CNG installation underway , posting range soon.


https://youtube.com/shorts/8YRD8anl7hg?si=ydVDnfK8kRY43-vs

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by aieromon(m): 10:34am On Dec 14, 2023
GAZZUZZ:
2005 Nissan Civilian Bus.


CNG installation underway , posting range soon.


What about the R350 range video?
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:57am On Dec 15, 2023
aieromon:


What about the R350 range video?

Time time time, I hope I'll have the time this weekend. Driving aimless not easy grin

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:26pm On Jan 15

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Conner44: 10:24pm On Jan 15
Gazzuzz you must to convert my own vehicle oh, all these longer-throat you're doing us here won't be fair when I bring my car and you tell me 'sorry, I don't work on 2005 honda accords anymore' angry

I didn't bring it for you to repair, na just to convert otitan!

So what do you say? Are we who have aged or elderly vehicles (though still sound) also candidates for your CNG conversion expertise?

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 12:33am On Jan 16
Conner44:
Gazzuzz you must to convert my own vehicle oh, all these longer-throat you're doing us here won't be fair when I bring my car and you tell me 'sorry, I don't work on 2005 honda accords anymore' angry

I didn't bring it for you to repair, na just to convert otitan!

So what do you say? Are we who have aged or elderly vehicles (though still sound) also candidates for your CNG conversion expertise?



Matthew 11:28-30



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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Sellfish(m): 12:40pm On Jan 16
Conner44:
Gazzuzz you must to convert my own vehicle oh, all these longer-throat you're doing us here won't be fair when I bring my car and you tell me 'sorry, I don't work on 2005 honda accords anymore' angry

I didn't bring it for you to repair, na just to convert otitan!

So what do you say? Are we who have aged or elderly vehicles (though still sound) also candidates for your CNG conversion expertise?

Use 1m to convert car wey the market value na 1m or slightly more...


Sleek
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Itsrm(m): 1:00pm On Jan 16
Sellfish:


Use 1m to convert car wey the market value na 1m or slightly more...


Sleek

So if he plans to use the car another 5 years and he covers 2000 miles monthly, he should rather use 2.8m to fuel the car yearly and 14.4m in 5 years because the value of the car is 1m.

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Sellfish(m): 1:30pm On Jan 16
Itsrm:


So if he plans to use the car another 5 years and he covers 2000 miles monthly, he should rather use 2.8m to fuel the car yearly and 14.4m in 5 years because the value of the car is 1m.




You know he covers 2000 miles monthly

You know he will spend exactly 2.8m on fuelling the car yearly

You also know that he plans to use the car for another 5 years

I am sure you also know that the price of CNG will remain constant for the 5 years you are so sure of

You also know that there is CNG in his location and everywhere along whatever road he will doing your 2000 miles per year...

You also know that his insurance company won't revoke his plan or increase his premium because of the uncharted risks associated with CNG conversion

You also know that for the 5 year period you are so sure of, the CNG conversion parts won't need any replacement or servicing, whose cost is relative to the hefty conversion fee.

You actually know a lot more than you have a capacity to comprehend

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Itsrm(m): 1:45pm On Jan 16
Sellfish:



You know he covers 2000 miles monthly

You know he will spend exactly 2.8m on fuelling the car yearly

You also know that he plans to use the car for another 5 years

I am sure you also know that the price of CNG will remain constant for the 5 years you are so sure of

You also know that there is CNG in his location and everywhere along whatever road he will doing your 2000 miles per year...

You also know that his insurance company won't revoke his plan or increase his premium because of the uncharted risks associated with CNG conversion

You also know that for the 5 year period you are so sure of, the CNG conversion parts won't need any replacement or servicing, whose cost is relative to the hefty conversion fee.

You actually know a lot more than you have a capacity to comprehend





You are not wise.

CNG conversion is not for everyone. It's common sense that only those who cover thousands of miles a month and who plan to keep their cars for long consider the conversion to make up the cost.

Someone who does 1500 miles a year will not be asking if to bring his car for conversion.

As for the other nonsense you wrote, there's no guarantee the price of petrol will not increase as well.

Insurance companies have no business with how you fuel your car. They send you a reminder at the expiration of your insurance, you pay and they renew it. You will know this if you've ever paid for insurance in your life.

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Sellfish(m): 2:35pm On Jan 16
Itsrm:


You are not wise.

CNG conversion is not for everyone. It's common sense that only those who cover thousands of miles a month and who plan to keep their cars for long consider the conversion to make up the cost.

Someone who does 1500 miles a year will not be asking if to bring his car for conversion.

As for the other nonsense you wrote, there's no guarantee the price of petrol will not increase as well.

Insurance companies have no business with how you fuel your car. They send you a reminder at the expiration of your insurance, you pay and they renew it. You will know this if you've ever paid for insurance in your life.



Insurance companies have no business with modifications of the fuel source of a vehicle they insured ?.. A modification that might increase or reduce the risk of a fire to the vehicle they insured?... If it was insured whiile unmodified, then it's subsequently CNG modified and catches fire, no insurance company will indemnify when it was not informed of the modification beforehand and agreed to it and set out a new insurance contract for it, either by way of increased premium or whatever...

In any case, it's clearly beer parlor "common sense" that made you say that it's only people who clock a certain mileage per year are the ones converting to CNG... This kind of "common sense" can only be gotten from statistics generated from ingesting cheap kaikai..

Is it that u interviewed all persons who have converted their cars to CNG, and they told you that they all do thousands of miles monthly?.. Even the op who is the chief proponent of CNG, has never made such an outrageous claim..

As in, for me to want to pay less for fuel in the long run, I have to be doing thousands of miles monthly like a public transport driver?.. Whatever it is that you are smoking, you really need to stay off it for your own good.
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Conner44: 3:06pm On Jan 16
Sellfish:


Use 1m to convert car wey the market value na 1m or slightly more...


Sleek

The ride has sentimental value to me. Plus its my project car as well.
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Sellfish(m): 3:20pm On Jan 16
Conner44:


The ride has sentimental value to me. Plus its my project car as well.

Reasonable point.. Unlike that rat up there trying to be smart by half
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Itsrm(m): 4:48pm On Jan 16
Conner44:


The ride has sentimental value to me. Plus its my project car as well.

Exactly the point I've been making.

No surprises it flew over the head of the dullard who thinks insurance premium increases because you have converted your car to CNG. Mugu Pro max.

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:09am On Jan 17
Sellfish:


Use 1m to convert car wey the market value na 1m or slightly more...


Sleek

Let's do some basic calculations .

Most average vehicle users in Lagos and abuja spend ₦200,000 monthly on petrol. ₦50k per week.

Kindly digest this information slowly.


In 10months of vehicle use ₦2m would have been spent on fueling a vehicle .

Let's assume ₦1m for conversion. In 5months
you would have paid for the conversion.

Now CNG will provide 70per savings in most vehicles (₦1,400,000). Your new expenditure on fueling ( now CNG ) will be and average of ₦600,000 in 10months , and ₦60,000 per month and ₦8,500 per week.

You can use the extra ₦400,000 saved for a profitable venture.

Please before you quote me negatively, ensure you own and use a car in Nigeria, and have a calculator handy.

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:17am On Jan 17
Sellfish:



Insurance companies have no business with modifications of the fuel source of a vehicle they insured ?.. A modification that might increase or reduce the risk of a fire to the vehicle they insured?... If it was insured whiile unmodified, then it's subsequently CNG modified and catches fire, no insurance company will indemnify when it was not informed of the modification beforehand and agreed to it and set out a new insurance contract for it, either by way of increased premium or whatever...

In any case, it's clearly beer parlor "common sense" that made you say that it's only people who clock a certain mileage per year are the ones converting to CNG... This kind of "common sense" can only be gotten from statistics generated from ingesting cheap kaikai..

Is it that u interviewed all persons who have converted their cars to CNG, and they told you that they all do thousands of miles monthly?.. Even the op who is the chief proponent of CNG, has never made such an outrageous claim..

As in, for me to want to pay less for fuel in the long run, I have to be doing thousands of miles monthly like a public transport driver?.. Whatever it is that you are smoking, you really need to stay off it for your own good.




When you should not switch to CNG .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAEEYTyelkU?si=PCavE2s_6DdFvt3H


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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by Sellfish(m): 10:09am On Jan 17
GAZZUZZ:


Let's do some basic calculations .

Most average vehicle users in Lagos and abuja spend ₦200,000 monthly on petrol. ₦50k per week.

Kindly digest this information slowly.


In 10months of vehicle use ₦2m would have been spent on fueling a vehicle .

Let's assume ₦1m for conversion. In 5months
you would have paid for the conversion.

Now CNG will provide 70per savings in most vehicles (₦1,400,000). Your new expenditure on fueling ( now CNG ) will be and average of ₦600,000 in 10months , and ₦60,000 per month and ₦8,500 per week.

You can use the extra ₦400,000 saved for a profitable venture.

Please before you quote me negatively, ensure you own and use a car in Nigeria, and have a calculator handy.


Please on what existing statistics did you base your conclusion that on the average, drivers in Lagos and Abuja spend 200k per month on fuel?.. How many people in those cities earn 200k per month wey dem go spend 200k on fuel?..

Minimum wage in this country is 30k, yet you assume that drivers in such a country spend 200k on fuel per month grin...what percentage of Nigerians even earn 200k or more in the entire Nigeria?.. This same country where many reputable organizations have done their research and found that two-third of the Nigerian Population live on less than 2 dollars per day, na im u dey day dem dey spend around 50 dollars per week on fuel? grin

And this one wey you dey mention Lagos and Abuja, is it that Nigeria is now limited to those areas?..

And if one fills with CNG in your Lagos or Abuja, can one find another refill point within a distance of 500km of those cities?... Abi that your 50k fuel per week must all be used within the radius of the few CNG stations in those cities you mentioned?..

Long story short... Your figures are grossly over-inflated and do not represent the true Nigerian economic situation on ground.. Sell your market if you must, but do not manufacture figures not based on any existing Statistic..

Neither have you given any practical situation where one can make such humongous savings as you have alleged on CNG by driving within the radius of the very few CNG refill stations available in the country..

Neither have u addressed my point on the cost of replacement parts of the CNG system if they go bad.. Or do you give a lifetime warranty for those parts when you install them?... You keep on counting savings on cng without taking into consideration the possibility that those CNG parts may go bad and require replacement.. Or they might over time, even spoil other parts of the vehicle they are installed in? No be moni d pesin go spend to replace all those ones?..

That's even aside the possibility of government waking up one morning and increasing the price of CNG... In that event, where does that keep your cng savings permutations?

Abi we shouldn't talk about that so that you can sell your market?

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by didymario7(m): 2:15pm On Jan 17
GAZZUZZ:


Let's do some basic calculations .

Most average vehicle users in Lagos and abuja spend ₦200,000 monthly on petrol. ₦50k per week.

Kindly digest this information slowly.


In 10months of vehicle use ₦2m would have been spent on fueling a vehicle .

Let's assume ₦1m for conversion. In 5months
you would have paid for the conversion.

Now CNG will provide 70per savings in most vehicles (₦1,400,000). Your new expenditure on fueling ( now CNG ) will be and average of ₦600,000 in 10months , and ₦60,000 per month and ₦8,500 per week.

You can use the extra ₦400,000 saved for a profitable venture.

Please before you quote me negatively, ensure you own and use a car in Nigeria, and have a calculator handy.


The picture you just painted is a best case scenario. There are a lot of loopholes but i will point out just one. Given the fact that refill stations in a city are very far from each other, using CNG exclusively every month for 12 months is not practical.
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by oneconvert2024: 12:01pm On Jan 18
Itsrm:


So if he plans to use the car another 5 years and he covers 2000 miles monthly, he should rather use 2.8m to fuel the car yearly and 14.4m in 5 years because the value of the car is 1m.


You don't need to calculate it by yourself since there are a lot of online calculators. I usually use https://oneconvert.com/unit-converters/length-converter/miles-to-km to convert speed units meters or something. So you it can be in handy for ya.
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:32pm On Jan 18
Retrofit completed.

This Toyota Prius now uses 3 energy sources .

Petrol , hybrid battery , CNG grin



Happy watching .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFDvJ47tgBQ?si=o2-wc-XSvQAoNNPb


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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by arcbaba: 2:12pm On Jan 25
Hi gazzzuz thanks for all you do on this forum, I have been thinking of how to get my sienna on CNG train because of the space I don't want to loose, I did some research and found this tank that can be placed in the spare tire space! This will work perfectly for me! But I doubt if it will be available in Nigeria. I am attaching the images for more clarity

Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 2:17am On Jan 26
arcbaba:
Hi gazzzuz thanks for all you do on this forum, I have been thinking of how to get my sienna on CNG train because of the space I don't want to loose, I did some research and found this tank that can be placed in the spare tire space! This will work perfectly for me! But I doubt if it will be available in Nigeria. I am attaching the images for more clarity

The pics you have up there are for LPG systems, not CNG . I had same issues when I wanted to convert my sienna . I didn't want to touch the space in the rear that enabled me to flatten the rear seats. So I opted for a 55L water capacity cylinder in-between driver and passenger seat. I will still expand my system with smaller 25L tanks under the vehicle as there are pockets of unused space waiting to be used.

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by dicksonadams(m): 7:51am On Jan 26
GAZZUZZ:


The pics you have up there are for LPG systems, not CNG . I had same issues when I wanted to convert my sienna . I didn't want to touch the space in the rear that enabled me to flatten the rear seats. So I opted for a 55L water capacity cylinder in-between driver and passenger seat. I will still expand my system with smaller 25L tanks under the vehicle as there are pockets of unused space waiting to be used.
some fearful folks might be scared that an explosion would take out both driver and passenger, since the cylinder is right between them. some would still prefer to opt for the rear or boot

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 11:57am On Jan 26
dicksonadams:
some fearful folks might be scared that an explosion would take out both driver and passenger, since the cylinder is right between them. some would still prefer to opt for the rear or boot

Enlightenment is key.

A lot of commercial busses have been like this since 2009.

My installation will be covered to look like an armrest.

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 3:28am On Apr 18
Installing refill wall valves in unique places

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Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by arcbaba: 10:37am On Apr 18
GAZZUZZ:
Installing refill wall valves in unique places
I really like this as opposed to opening the trunk always to refill. My own problem is still tank location 🙃
Re: Demystifying CNG in Automobiles by GAZZUZZ(m): 1:53pm On Apr 18
arcbaba:

I really like this as opposed to opening the trunk always to refill. My own problem is still tank location 🙃

Tanks can stay under the car, if you use smaller 29-30L tanks . One of these days I'll run a test.

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