SuperOnyi:







This whole thing is crazy! They told us all humans originated from Africa, how did they get to Europe, Australia, Americas, and Asia? Did Africans lose everything including that knowledge? 🤔


It might be possible since this generation is more fixated on making money from the internet and social media, our descendants might lose the knowledge to certain technology. But this time, we've got YouTube and well documented processes to help them.

The question begging for answers is: did we forget the knowledge to certain technology our ancestors possessed? Just look at the pyramid in Egypt...

I find it hard to believe these fvckers who want us to believe that Africans that were the first humans but were jumping from one tree to another 😐 prior to "the coming of the white man". It's hard to swallow that.

There's a whole lot we don't know. Everything written about pre-history is part-speculation, part-evidential and part-fiction. Even the theory that Homo sapiens evolved in and emigrated from Africa is no longer the orthodoxy.

SuperOnyi:



Don't stop... We're all here to learn. Can nsibidi be revived? I've heard so much about it! Imagine our kids being literal in English and nsibidi alphabet. If I die without seeing Africa rise, I will curse her 😠😔.

We were mostly the cause of our own problems. Don't believe all they say about the white man conspiring to destroy our culture. Or was it also the Brits that went to destroy Nsibidi?

The problem with Nsibidi and similar systems is that they were SECRET systems hidden behind the firewalls of secret societies. You had to BELONG to a certain group to be eligible to be taught certain things. To be eligible to join those groups or guilds, you had to be male and come from certain families and other criteria. These worked against development.

But it's easier to just blame the whites.

JoeEeL:


They did this to erase the handiwork and craftsmanship of our forefathers. This is the extent of damage the colonists did to us as a people

The walls were not just huge and big but they had mathematical inscriptions and advanced code symbols that were privy to the rulership class systems.

It was too inspirational and the Brits came in to destroy this in order to break the chain that links our identity from generation to generation. This eventually creates a loser's and conquered mindset which is why we as blacks do not easily recognise ourselves anymore.

It took several centuries to build that and imagine we continued up till this day, we would have kept advancing and advancing in our knowledge but they destroyed this and gave you guys nigeria.

It is because many of us do not know our history and the extreme damage of colonialism that we still embrace One Nigeria. This is why as they say, being a One Nigerian and an intellectual are mutually exclusive. What these colonialists carried out is more than genocide. This is the peak of world crimes. They didn't just end peoples, they ended their identity. This is deeper than what you can ever imagine.

They also destroyed Arochukwu temple in Abia today. They made us hate our ancestors and burnt temples and shrines all over southern africa. They gave us their fake bible and interpreted our ancestors like Esu and Ekwensu as "devil", very mischievously.

Africans do not know who they have been. Africans should stop looking forward... they have to first start from looking back and way back to see where they're coming from.

Where's Nsibidi today? Do you know we had systems of reading and writing? Our Ifa system they tried to demonise it. I posted Isese day on my whatsapp status, one bornfool was telling me to repent. A great pity for d black man but its not too late.

Lol at bolded.

Oyinbos didn't destroy our culture though. We did that ourselves. We embraced foreign faiths and took them to ridiculous levels. Jesus was not born in Britain too - he was foreign until the Brits adopted the Roman religion. Rome sef, Jesus was foreign until they adopted the religion from Judea. Today, they're mostly secular societies, using their heads instead of blaming Israel for bringing Bibles.

Rossikk:


It is.

You can actually go on Google Earth and type in 'Benin wall', and you will see the full outline of the wall. It's unbelievably huge and expansive, and you will wonder how long it must have take them to build it. I mean, something 4 times longer than the Great Wall of China.

I read somewhere that it took around 300 years to build!

Can you imagine the level of state organisation and efficiency that would have allowed a project to continue till the end for 300 years?

There were many people who helped in building this wall who knew full well that they would not live to see its completion.

Today, even a 3 year long project can give us serious problems, never mind 300 years.

Why do I need an internet picture to
See the wall, and where is the wall located in Benin city?

Rossikk:




[b]The thing is Africa is by far the most ethnically diverse continent, with HALF the languages on Earth spoken in Africa, which has over 3,000 languages.[b]

Rossikk, check that highlight well.
If half of the languages on earth is spoken in Africa, it means that the place where humans started developing languages can be argued to be Africa; hence I can take it further by saying ...Africa may be the beginning/ cradle of humankind. The birthland, the motherland of all races of humans.

Which kind fake lie be this. Even the whole of Nigeria rounded no reach 16k km
So how tf Benin great wall come reach 16k km

Abi you wan tell me the whole of west Africa was the Benin empire. Make una deh check well before una talk na haba

tommy589:


People like you only sees the black people's problem from the surface only. China was already a nation that developed their writing forms,religion, calligraphy etc.before Japanese and other nations incursions.

Except for Taiwan,is old china divided or incorporated with another tribe? or the official Mandarin language is a foreign lingua franca? Imagine knowledge passed on from generations to generations when their Indigenous alphabets is not lost. Go and read about innovations Marco Polo introduced to Europe on his return from China

Are you also saying the Romans or Moors influence did not count in Spain development? Do we have Moors influence in Black Africa? For over 5 centuries Latin was the official language of Europe, even Isaac Newton, the father of physics, wrote all his books in Latin. Look at informations/knowledge shared among Europeans for 500 years. People do wonderfully well in nation building when they have values in common

I am repeating again that we lost it all the day we came in contact with white people. I don't know what an hausa man have in common with a Yoruba or an Igbo man. If their trans atlantic coming was deferred to probably like 200 years after, we would have fought our wars and evolved better. Just like China and other nations evolved. By now stronger nations would have assimilated the weaker ones to have fewer tribes and true African Nations with shared values.

So why the reluctance to divide the demonic country since you know common language, values and ideology are pivotal to nation building? The Nigeria we see today was established as a company to consolidate the interest of the British in Africa, why then are Nigerians willing to support and die for a country they know wasn’t created to serve their interest? You blame the white man and still support the monster he designed to murder us. I don’t see the sense it that.

The most dangerous people are the naive ones.

They completely ignore the current realities which in itself is not such a bad thing if only they are working to change things but they live in a Dreamland where everything is hunky dory.

Therefore, they do NOT work towards changing things.

They are what bad leaders thrive on to maintain their mediocrity, evil and selfishness.

Rossikk:


The trouble with your position is that there are also many small, largely homogenous African nations that are terribly unstable. Somalia is a great example. Single ethnicity more or less, with over 85% Somali ethnicity. Yet, trouble from morning till night there.

Conversely, Togo has 40 ethnic groups, and is extremely peaceful.

The thing is Africa is by far the most ethnically diverse continent, with HALF the languages on Earth spoken in Africa, which has over 3,000 languages.

So you have NO CHOICE but to abandon tribalism and learn to live in multi-ethnic societies. You cannot have 3,000 countries in Africa, because that would make us extremely vulnerable to western exploitation and manipulation, far worse than exists today.

Rossikk:
This is the palace of the Oba of Benin before its destruction by British forces in 1897.

The palace was built in the 13th century.

It shows the traditional Benin Ikun courtyard architecture.

There were a total of 209 Ikuns at the palace. The picture shows about 24, which shows you how huge the palace was.

I actually checked Google Earth to investigate this, and you can see on Google Earth that the new, modern palace is there which everyone can see from the road.

But on Google Earth, looking from above, you can see the interior of the palace compound, and you will STILL SEE remnants of this building, several Ikuns - around 10 or so behind the current palace.

Benin city of course was described by visiting Europeans as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities on Earth, with street lighting (from palm oil fuelled steel lamps) and underground drainage, houses with paved courtyards, and even some paved streets (paved with raised, broken potsherds).

Royal Palace of the Oba of Benin, dated 13th century)

This is impressive but unlike many other areas in Nigeria where the british conquered without fighting. There was war btw the British and Benin before Benin was conquered as the British had canons and machine guns. Unfortunately the charms and weapons of the Benin people was simply not enough despite their audacity to fight the British which none of their neighbouring tribes dear try.
Military might and wealth as always been what is being used for world domination but Africa sadly up till today refuse to embrace change. Look at countries like china and India were once colonized by the British however today they have closed the gap seriously as they can boldly sit on the same sit at the committee is nations but Africa as refused to embrace change. The Chinese/ Japanese do take pride in sword and arrow warfare and they were master at it( Samurai warriors). However with invention of guns and gunpowder by the British. They had to scrap that and embrace modern weapons(armoured tanks stealth planes and nuclear weapons). Africans still want to stick to the Dane guns and charms our forefathers gave us when it's obvious that the world have far moved past that stage for over 200 years

CorperKola:

Why not ?
Did yaweh not send a demon to trouble saul.

He even sent a lying spirit to Ahab's prophet one time , also had a gamble with Satan himself about Job's faithfulness in Heaven ...

We Humans are just suffering for their Heavenly Beef .

NzogbuNzogbu:
no far from it, yaweh only abadoned Saul to his own devices (more like he permits)

It is the absence of Yaweh that is the presence of demons, it's consistent with why Saul kept looking for Samuel cos yaweh shut his access to him

Again demons and Yaweh don't dwell in one sentence, when yaweh ark was taken to moleck house, all of moleck fell down flat

You cannot be serious with this watery denial of what is right in the bible.
As someone mentioned, the bible says in job that the sons of God gathered together to have a meeting and satan himself came along.
I am disappointed in your rubbish rebuttal

Rossikk:


The trouble with your position is that there are also many small, largely homogenous African nations that are terribly unstable. Somalia is a great example. Single ethnicity more or less, with over 85% Somali ethnicity. Yet, trouble from morning till night there.

Conversely, Togo has 40 ethnic groups, and is extremely peaceful.

The thing is Africa is by far the most ethnically diverse continent, with HALF the languages on Earth spoken in Africa, which has over 3,000 languages.

So you have NO CHOICE but to abandon tribalism and learn to live in multi-ethnic societies. You cannot have 3,000 countries in Africa, because that would make us extremely vulnerable to western exploitation and manipulation, far worse than exists today.

More wisdom for you to display I pray 🙏. Your analytical skills is superb

Timetravel88:


So why the reluctance to divide the demonic country since you know common language, values and ideology are pivotal to nation building? The Nigeria we see today was established as a company to consolidate the interest of the British in Africa, why then are Nigerians willing to support and die for a country they know wasn’t created to serve their interest? You blame the white man and still support the monster he designed to murder us. I don’t see the sense it that.

Nigerians are tired, but who will bell the cat?Why is it impossible 24 years after the military left nothing meaningful changed in the military created constitution, like reverting back to constitution that identifies according to tribal lines.

You don't have to see the puppet master, but he is at play everywhere you turn. No president emerges in Nigeria without their support. Start checking the calibres of western officials or individuals sent to each Nigerian presidential candidates in run up to elections. Who amongst them that receives high level reps. always win

Yujin:

Who will institute the real consequences for actions? Is it the fantastically corrupt powers that are controlling Nigeria? You're just dreaming.
Split Nigeria and see how those sides that want to progress do so at a steady pace while those who prefer lazying about will remain stagnant. Joining us together has pulled back those who want to move forward.
Do you know how much was wasted in fighting bokoharam? Do you know how much is lost in the numerous ethno-religious crises where thousands of homes and businesses are destroyed? There's a reason why it is always said that you better remove a bad tomato from a full basket because it can just lead to the destruction of the whole basket.
Dividing Nigeria will help those who really want to make progress.

You have a point there too. Who's going to bell the cat now

Rossikk:


Spare me that BS. Obidients are not normal. They are hardcore tribalists for the most part. They don't believe in democratic choice, and made it their job to vilify, demonise and abuse political opponents and other candidates.

Virtually all of you call Tinubu a ''drug lord'' which is OUTRAGEOUS, since he has never been convicted of any offence.

That's called character assassination.

Is it a crime to run for president? How do you think his children and grandchildren feel when you call their dad a drug lord on social media? His own people in the west..how do you think they feel when you call their champion a drug lord?

Go and LEARN how to live among others, because right now, I consider you ignorant, filthy, repulsive scum of the Earth mirroring the similarly toxic, intolerant, authoritarian IPOB.

I didn't vote peter Obi. I didn't follow the bandwagon, but I want to ask you some questions;

1. Are all obidients igbos? Are all igbos obidients? Some of the strongest supporters of peter Obi are yorubas. does that mean some yorubas are Igbos?

Some igbos voted for APC/Tinubu. Showing you that not all igbos are obidients and not all obidients are igbos.

2. So it was the yorubas that weren't assassinating the character of Obi? Yorubas joined the north to insult Goodluck Jonathan. Infact, during the fuel subsidy protest, some yorubas carried coffin that had "RIP GEJ' written on them. Even Soyinka insulted Jonathan's wife. Now, it is the turn of Tinubu, igbos are toxic, yorubas are the peaceful ones. Don't dish out what you can't stomach!

3. Is it not true that Tinubu has an identity crisis? Is it not true that there are so many questions surrounding his identity? His state of origin, the university he graduated from? His real name? Is it not true that he forfeited some money to the US govt because of a drug related case?


Make una dey fear God!

Rossikk:


I just posted pictures of the wall above here. What are you talking about?

The wall is partly overground and partly moat, which is covered by greenery.

Successive governments have neglected and ignored it.

In a serious country where people took pride in their history and heritage, that wall would have been our BIGGEST INCOME EARNER even more than oil, as a result of tourism.

This is literally the biggest man-made structure ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!

Yet most NIGERIANS don't even know it exists, talk less of the world's people.

Ordinary Stonehenge in England brings in more than 20 billion dollars annually to the UK in tourism receipts.

Stonehenge is just a few rocks piled on top of each other to form a small circle.

Stonehenge


The whole world knows about Stonehenge, but nobody knows about the Great Benin Wall that is 4 times longer than the Great Wall of China.

In fact we have problems as a people.

Number one problem- the nature of humans who lead us. Very shortsighted & selfish beings, many of them.

As much as we take pride in our history, we should also be careful to tell our story in a more believable way without exaggeration. Yes, our ancestors built moats and ramparts (rather than walls in many places) for which many portions of it did not survive till the present day.

However, boldly saying that the Benin Walls were three times longer than the Great Wall of China is totally false and utterly ludicrous. The total length of the Great Wall of China is 21,000Kms and a greater portion of it is still standing to date. While the total land area perimeter of present-day Benin City is far larger than the total inhabited land area of old Benin City standing at approximately 130Km, obviously, there is no way you want to build moats and ramparts of 16,000Km length within 130Km to except building it like we do with perimeter fence for each house today.

Even if the claim of 16,000Km is true a large portion of the moats or ramparts (wall) should still be standing today.

Pic 1. Benin City Map and measurement from Google Map https://www.google.com/maps/place/Benin+City,+Edo,+Nigeria/@6.2691952,5.6448565,10.42z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x1040d36279cfacf1:0x84aa10c05758dfa0!8m2!3d6.334986!4d5.6037465!16zL20vMDF2MjRr?entry=ttu

Pic 2. Benin Walls Historical Map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Moat#/media/File:Map_of_the_Benin_Moat_in_Rural_Areas.jpg

Pic 3. Map of the Great Wall of China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China#/media/File:Map_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China.jpg

Pic 4. Great Wall of China Lenght
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China

The Bini moat we grew up to meet in the early 60s was so deep with think forest for hunting and big logs. The sand wall from the escavation was very high in some area. However, there was no enforced laws to protect it, locals used the sand to build houses and construct roads, the moat is used as refused dumping stes around Benin City, erosion sand and debris have filled it up. Government and local people never really gave any thought to it's historical significances even till now.
One more thing is, there were many mini moats built to protect several villages outside Benin City that historian never wrote about. Some of the villages with high class chiefs and deities had moat built around them.

Big goat cited

Yampotatocarrot:


Not on Google map, is the wall actually still there? As in, if one gets to Benin today, will one see the wall? I will really love to know also

YES, IT IS THERE.

Kachidubem:

Are you sure people are actually paying money to come the UK to see this thing or they are just using style to collect UK tourist visa or wat

I nothing fascinating about those stones

Omo, there are millions of tourists who travel JUST to visit historical sites.

They fly in, get into a hotel, and off they go to historical sites.

Nigeria could easily tap into that niche market, because if cleaned up and branded properly, the Benin wall is a stunning, irresistible destination for tourists.

Imagine they clean it up, remove all the bushes covering it, and put up a cable car system like the one in Obudu Ranch for tourists to observe the wall from height?

It would be an AMAZING EXPERIENCE.

They could even offer helicopter tours of the wall, so you see EVERYTHING.

Obudu Ranch cable cars

CorperKola:

You are entitled to your opinion but i want to bring it to your attention that combined yoruba forces of ibadan, oyo, oshogbo and ekiti actually fought the jihadists to a stand still and defended themselves, they didnt rely on the great benin kingdom

Fair enough, but Benin was the big fish in the pond, and Benin City the leading city of the south from about the 12th century AD.

Had the Arabs and their Fulani enforcers captured it, it would have put them in quite a position in the region.

JuanDeDios:

Slaves - lots of them, sometimes working themselves to death. (Unless you believe they had giants.) Nobody holy back then.

The Benin empire did not enslave its people, and slavery was banned in the Empire.

The Benin Empire did not participate in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, and any person found to be engaging in such activities within the kingdom was tried and executed.

It is a common Eurocentric, racist lie that great African monuments of antiquity such as the pyramids and great temples of Nubia and Egypt were built by ''slaves''. They were not.

They were EMPLOYED AND PAID by the state to do the work.

The Benin Empire was an honourable empire with civilized values.

XY23:


Also, it was Oba Esigie that had sophistication in Portuguese.

Yes. That is Him.

A very great Oba.

He exchanged ambassadors with Portugal in 1504 or thereabouts.

No single comment made sense to me. Nigeria as a nation has a big problem.

For instance, where you expecting one in today's world to abandon his business to start using hoes and shovels to start building a wall to cover a city when people in that city can contract the job to a construction company that will build what they want while they face their lives?

Why are we so backward in thinking especially for those who just comment for the sake of having cheap data? Technology was meant to improve our daily living and not make us think that it was a cause on us.

You saying that "If it were today, we would have contracted Julius berger" Shows your brain's cells are damaged and wired to get thoughts from your protruded behind.

China of today will still contract a construction company today to build a better wall of China if they so wish so why are your brains confusing itself that they would have done that today by gathering their families together, share hoes, hammers and shovels and start building it.

Moses and other prophets and disciples in islam walked on their feet and some used donkeys and horses for the gospel. Today Pastors are owning private jets and not their feet to get to a neigboring city. Why not advice them to use their feet today instead of private jets

Rubbish.

donsheddy1:
No single comment made sense to me. Nigeria as a nation has a big problem.

For instance, where you expecting one in today's world to abandon his business to start using hoes and shovels to start building a wall to cover a city when people in that city can contract the job to a construction company that will build what they want while they face their lives?

Why are we so backward in thinking especially for those who just comment for the sake of having cheap data? Technology was meant to improve our daily living and not make us think that it was a cause on us.

You saying that "If it were today, we would have contracted Julius berger" Shows your brain's cells are damaged and wired to get thoughts from your protruded behind.

China of today will still contract a construction company today to build a better wall of China if they so wish so why are your brains confusing itself that they would have done that today by gathering their families together, share hoes, hammers and shovels and start building it.

Moses and other prophets and disciples in islam walked on their feet and some used donkeys and horses for the gospel. Today Pastors are owning private jets and not their feet to get to a neigboring city. Why not advice them to use their feet today instead of private jets

Rubbish.

If we were contracting such projects to NIGERIAN COMPANIES we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If we don't have companies that can build airports (which I refuse to believe) the govt should create the company and we build the airport.

That's the sort of thing Putin does in Russia when the private sector can't deliver.

It is not about HOW YOU DO IT, it is about ensuring that YOU do it, and not China or Korea or some other foreign nation.

If shame no dey catch you, e dey catch me.

You were making sense all of a sudden you started sounding like a broken record. Always come with facts.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Berger_(company)

The reason you remain where you are is that you use your phone for Bet9ja and make nairaland posts with your free data rather than educate yourself.

Think well before making your next comment. I dey shame for you.

Rossikk:


If we were contracting such projects to NIGERIAN COMPANIES we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If we don't have companies that can build airports (which I refuse to believe) the govt should create the company and we build the airport.

That's the sort of thing Putin does in Russia when the private sector can't deliver.

It is not about HOW YOU DO IT, it is about ensuring that YOU do it, and not China or Korea or some other foreign nation.

If shame no dey catch you, e dey catch me.

Horus:


Inside the palace of the Oba of Benin, a variety of brass keys were used to lock palace rooms where valuable objects such as the king’s regalia are stored. They are also employed to secure palace shrines, and especially those large quadrangles. Only one of many still exists, more publicly accessible and that contain carved ivories, staffs, and cast brass objects. The key holder knocks three times on the large timbered door to ensure that the spirits of the deceased are awake, inserts the key and with a twist, lifts the hook off its latch.

This releases the bolt that locked the door. The hooks operate in much the same way as the cast keys. Inserted at an angle, the hook key catches the slide and lifts it, the hooked part of the key holds the slide securely and ensures that the slide does not fall to the ground.
Locks of a more conventional padlock type also existed. Insertion of a key into the side of the lock released a mechanism that held the padlock together. Made of brass, these padlocks often had designs of the king, chiefs, or other court dignitaries, and various animals making them decorative and symbolic at the same time (Pictures below show how the keys worked. Notice the refined mechanism of the keys)
Africans used keys before the europeans

Absolutely fantastic find, Horus.

Well done.

Those keys show amazing ingenuity in their design!

donsheddy1:
You were making sense all of a sudden you started sounding like a broken record. Always come with facts.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Berger_(company)

The reason you remain where you are is that you use your phone for Bet9ja and make nairaland posts with your free data rather than educate yourself.

Think well before making your next comment. I dey shame for you.

See small pikin. Are you trying to claim that Julius Berger is an indigenous firm?

How many local firms operate a GERMAN SCHOOL in Abuja?

Better go learn about who owns Julius Berger before running your mouth here.

Rossikk:


See small pikin. Are you trying to claim that Julius Berger is an indigenous firm?

How many local firms operate a GERMAN SCHOOL in Abuja?

Better go learn about who owns Julius Berger before running your mouth here.

No point arguing with you. You will never learn as it's a generational thing in your lineage. Keep basking in your stupidity, you are doing well.

Rossikk:
This is the palace of the Oba of Benin before its destruction by British forces in 1897.

The palace was built in the 13th century.

It shows the traditional Benin Ikun courtyard architecture.

There were a total of 209 Ikuns at the palace. The picture shows about 24, which shows you how huge the palace was.

I actually checked Google Earth to investigate this, and you can see on Google Earth that the new, modern palace is there which everyone can see from the road.

But on Google Earth, looking from above, you can see the interior of the palace compound, and you will STILL SEE remnants of this building, several Ikuns - around 10 or so behind the current palace.

Benin city of course was described by visiting Europeans as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities on Earth, with street lighting (from palm oil fuelled steel lamps) and underground drainage, houses with paved courtyards, and even some paved streets (paved with raised, broken potsherds).

Royal Palace of the Oba of Benin, dated 13th century)

Plz help. I couldn't get this on Google map. Tell me how to

Rossikk:


Spare me that BS. Obidients are not normal. They are hardcore tribalists for the most part. They don't believe in democratic choice, and made it their job to vilify, demonise and abuse political opponents and other candidates.

Virtually all of you call Tinubu a ''drug lord'' which is OUTRAGEOUS, since he has never been convicted of any offence.

That's called character assassination.

Is it a crime to run for president? How do you think his children and grandchildren feel when you call their dad a drug lord on social media? His own people in the west..how do you think they feel when you call their champion a drug lord?

Go and LEARN how to live among others, because right now, I consider you ignorant, filthy, repulsive scum of the Earth mirroring the similarly toxic, intolerant, authoritarian IPOB.

It's simply too bad that it's difficult to identify people like you. I loved Ibos more than any other tribes, even mine untill this election. They showed us their true intent and position. It will take a LONG LONG time for that to heal