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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:54pm On Sep 25, 2023

cornelboy:

Lol you only addressed the slap, what about the others I quoted? I don't even agree with your interpretation.

No apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ defended themselves during persecution and attacks.
They depended on God for their protection. Many were killed and persecuted, yet they didn't fight back. They remained harmless and peaceful.
Some of them left their home and dispersed.

He will not give you a direct answer because in the process of answering you directly his hideout will be unraveled.

All they want to say is:

Everyone is a Christian as long as they claim so therefore you don't need Jesus' words found at Matthew 7:15-20 where he specifically said false prophets (fake religious leaders) will gather gullible followers after themselves with confused teachings yet they will continue telling their followers that it's the same God.

So now that you are particular about IDENTIFYING the group teaching and practicing what Jesus taught he wants to tell you to forget about that it's of no relevance! wink

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 8:19pm On Sep 25, 2023

cornelboy:

Lol you only addressed the slap, what about the others I quoted? I don't even agree with your interpretation.

No apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ defended themselves during persecution and attacks.
They depended on God for their protection. Many were killed and persecuted, yet they didn't fight back. They remained harmless and peaceful.
Some of them left their home and dispersed.

The Apostle Simon Peter was armed and he cut off the ear of Malchues, the priest's servant when they came to arrest Jesus Christ. Did Jesus Christ condemn him? Absolutely NOT! He only told Peter, to sheath the sword because it was NOT the time for that. The reason was that Jesus submitted to His Father’s plan and let Himself be apprehended and crucified to fulfill Scripture and pay for the sins of the world. It was not because what Simon Peter did was forbidden.

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 8:46pm On Sep 25, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

The Apostle Simon Peter was armed and he cut off the ear of Malchues, the priest's servant when they came to arrest Jesus Christ. Did Jesus Christ condemn him? Absolutely NOT! He only told Peter, to sheath the sword because it was NOT the time for that. The reason was that Jesus submitted to His Father’s plan and let Himself be apprehended and crucified to fulfill Scripture and pay for the sins of the world. It was not because what Simon Peter did was forbidden.

Matthew 26:52-56
[52]“Put away your sword,” Jesus told him. “Those who use the sword will die by the sword.

After that incident, where else did they defend themselves? Or use physical swords or weapons?

After they received the holy spirit, many things were clear to them and they never lift weapons against anyone. They preached peace and lived it.
God was their protector.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
[3]We are human, but we don’t wage war as humans do.
[4]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.
[5]We destroy every proud obstacle that keeps people from knowing God. We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ.

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 9:00pm On Sep 25, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

The Apostle Simon Peter was armed and he cut off the ear of Malchues, the priest's servant when they came to arrest Jesus Christ. Did Jesus Christ condemn him? Absolutely NOT! He only told Peter, to sheath the sword because it was NOT the time for that. The reason was that Jesus submitted to His Father’s plan and let Himself be apprehended and crucified to fulfill Scripture and pay for the sins of the world. It was not because what Simon Peter did was forbidden.

To get those two guys disturbing you about whether it is right to self defense or not. Use their religious publications to keep their lying mouth and manipulated brains shut.

They will start attacking me once I show just one evidence that shows that they equally believe you can self defense against those who have the intent to take lives.

I dey come with the evidence grin

They will open books of lamentations about their publications now grin

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 9:07pm On Sep 25, 2023

cornelboy:

Matthew 26:52-56
[52]“Put away your sword,” Jesus told him. “Those who use the sword will die by the sword.

After that incident, where else did they defend themselves? Or use physical swords or weapons?

After they received the holy spirit, many things were clear to them and they never lift weapons against anyone. They preached peace and lived it.
God was their protector.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
[3]We are human, but we don’t wage war as humans do.
[4]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.
[5]We destroy every proud obstacle that keeps people from knowing God. We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ.

You have been using prayers to knock down the stronghold, how far has that gotten you? I guess your fellow Christians in the church in Kaduna are NOT praying enough or God is NOT answering their prayers because the terrorist Fulanis are about to finish them off. Keep up with your prayers without doing anything else and see whether you will be alive to even pray.

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 9:12pm On Sep 25, 2023

achorladey:

To get those two guys disturbing you about whether it is right to self defense or not. Use their religious publications to keep their lying mouth and manipulated brains shut.

They will start attacking me once I show just one evidence that shows that they equally believe you can self defense against those who have the intent to take lives.

I dey come with the evidence

They will open books of lamentations about their publications now

I am NOT bothered by their ranting because I know they are making a failed argument. I just want them to see how misguided they are when interpreting the Bible.

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 9:12pm On Sep 25, 2023

UnabashedIPOB what follows is for you......

.... Clearly, there are circumstances under which reasonable self-defense is justified. People have a right to protect themselves and their loved ones from aggression and deadly harm. When escape is not possible, there is no Biblical injunction against reasonably defending ourselves. Still, the course of wisdom would be to do our best to avoid situations with a potential for violence.—Proverbs 16:32........

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

That is obtained from their own religious publications that they give to the public to read. You see the double mouth these guys are perpetrating here on nairaland. They have been dragging you into their lies and manipulations wanting to make you look like an evil doer for saying Christians have the right to self defense.

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 9:14pm On Sep 25, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

I am NOT bothered by their ranting because I know they are making a failed argument. I just want them to see how misguided they are when interpreting the Bible.

It is not even misguided, it is blatant and deliberate effort to lie and manipulate people to boast about their bible knowledge.

MaxInDHouse and Cornelboy, the floor is open now. grin

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 9:18pm On Sep 25, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

You have been using prayers to knock down the stronghold, how far has that gotten you? I guess your fellow Christians in the church in Kaduna are NOT praying enough or God is NOT answering their prayers because the terrorists Fulani are about to finish them off. Keep up with your prayers without doing anything else and see whether you will be alive to even pray.

We will always face persecutions as true Christians.
So when you later die defending yourself, will you resurrect yourself in the future?

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 9:19pm On Sep 25, 2023

cornelboy:

Matthew 26:52-56
[52]“Put away your sword,” Jesus told him. “Those who use the sword will die by the sword.

After that incident, where else did they defend themselves? Or use physical swords or weapons?

After they received the holy spirit, many things were clear to them and they never lift weapons against anyone. They preached peace and lived it.
God was their protector.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5

[3]We are human, but we don’t wage war as humans do.
[4]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.
[5]We destroy every proud obstacle that keeps people from knowing God. We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ.

Go and read the word of God regarding self-defense at the link below.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 9:20pm On Sep 25, 2023

cornelboy:

We will always face persecutions as true Christians.
So when you later die defending yourself, will you resurrect yourself in the future?

Go and read the word of God regarding self-defense at the link below.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 9:35pm On Sep 25, 2023

cornelboy:

We will always face persecutions as true Christians.
So when you later die defending yourself, will you resurrect yourself in the future?

Madness and insanities peddling peddler Na him want do the resurrection in the first place? grin

Liar and manipulator want to divert grin

You are asked to go and read your religious organization beliefs regarding self defense and stop peddling lies and manipulations over non existent things grin

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 9:47pm On Sep 25, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

Go and read the word of God regarding self-defense at the link below.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

Oya go and form a Christian militia group and arm yourself to the teeth.

Good luck.

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 12:00am On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

Oya go and form a Christian militia group and arm yourself to the teeth.

Good luck.

Thanks! I appreciate that. You better believe that I will always defend myself and NOT just pray for GOD to come and do for me what He already gave me the wherewithal to deal with. And good luck with NOT defending yourself and just pray when the terrorists invade your church or community.

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by lakefist(m): 3:29am On Sep 26, 2023

Kobojunkie:
no be una dey seek protection?

that more aptly describes you here, not me. I am simply stating the facts is all.

Ode! Same protection your parents sort to keep u till ur sense starting depleting.

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 3:51am On Sep 26, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

Thanks! I appreciate that. You better believe that I will always defend myself and NOT just pray for GOD to come and do for me what He already gave me the wherewithal to deal with. And good luck with NOT defending yourself and just pray when the terrorists invade your church or community.

Lol when you do that, you wouldn't be different from the terrorists group lol. You'd create more attention for yourself, hence more attacks and bloodshed and killing spree lol.

I wish you really went through the link.

Ciao!

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:25am On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

Lol when you do that, you wouldn't be different from the terrorists group lol. You'd create more attention for yourself, hence more attacks and bloodshed and killing spree lol. I wish you really went through the link. Ciao!

What most religionists don't understand is the preaching and teaching Jesus commanded us to take to the doorsteps of those around us.
That is a form of ATTACKING them first so that they will know we are not dragging political posts with them therefore they're free to take up whatever post they want in politics but we are for God's Kingdom.
That's the secret in terrorist attacks!
Those attacking others only want to set standards their destructive moves is to make you know that those ruling over you can't really protect you so once they've realized that you are no part of those dragging political posts with them {John 17 :14-16} you become like a neutral person that they won't pay much attention to.
That's what Jesus taught us to do!

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by TOPCRUISE(m): 8:14am On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:
Jesus thought his disciples to love their brothers in faith, friends, neighbours and enemies. We are to even pray for our enemies.
It was also repeatedly taught in the NT that we shouldn't take vengeance into our hands that we should leave it for God Almighty who will avenge for us.

So what a true Christian can do during violence and attack is to run. If it's a situation where it's impossible to run, then we can only depend on Jehovah God for a miraculous protection.

Shalom!

If you are in a position to defend yourself with arms and ammunition to protect your wife and children nkó. sad

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 8:20am On Sep 26, 2023

TOPCRUISE:

If you are in a position to defend yourself with arms and ammunition to protect your wife and children nkó.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 8:33am On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

Madness ans insanities peddling peddler. My lies are your truth just like I did to JaNosense. The unreasonable and wounded dog peddler sharperly provided the same links he has been lying, denying and manipulating all along grin

You think knowledge is accumulated through insults and abuses grin

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 8:44am On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

Lol when you do that, you wouldn't be different from the terrorists group lol. You'd create more attention for yourself, hence more attacks and bloodshed and killing spree lol.

I wish you really went through the link.

Ciao!

I know when Israelites defended themselves in times past as captured in your magazines it changes the name of Israelites to philistines

Madness and insanities peddling peddler. He is not using your hands to self defense himself.

I wish you really went through the link

This is part of it......

Clearly, there are circumstances under which reasonable self-defense is justified. People have a right to protect themselves and their loved ones from aggression and deadly harm. When escape is not possible, there is no Biblical injunction against reasonably defending ourselves. Still, the course of wisdom would be to do our best to avoid situations with a potential for violence.—Proverbs 16:32.

Had your brains been reading properly you will see that self defense which looks more like a form of violence in some cases restore sanity and sanitise situations. If a man and the father of a child is drunk and is attempting to rape his daughter and the daughter used repeated slaps on him and hit her dad very hard. It will restore some degree of sanity into his brains about what the man wants to do and sanitise the situation.

Those slaps and hitting are violent in nature. grin

yet it will restore normal service and sanity. The slaps won't make the daughter a rapist or terrorist as well. Get the sense into your lie and manipulation filled brains.

Awon I wish you really went through the link. Apostates providing links to destroy your lies and manipulations about the whole issue. grin

Una for continue the lies and manipulations about the matter.

Cc: Courz, Emusan dem want to tie UnabashedIPOB with their lies and manipulations as usual. I had to follow this from page 6 to see what this is all about only to see the madness and insanities peddling peddler stating...

He will not give you a direct answer because in the process of answering you directly his hideout will be unraveled.

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Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by UnabashedIPOB: 7:07pm On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

Oya go and form a Christian militia group and arm yourself to the teeth.

Good luck.

I have made my stand known and I ain't got no time to keep repeating myself. You believe what you believe and I wish you good luck with that!
Buh Bye!

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 7:38pm On Sep 26, 2023

UnabashedIPOB:

I have made my stand known and I ain't got no time to keep repeating myself. You believe what you believe and I wish you good luck with that!
Buh Bye!

👍🏾👍🏾

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 11:14pm On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

Oya go and form a Christian militia group and arm yourself to the teeth.

Good luck.

Out of the abundance of your heart the mouth speaks and fingers type grin

The lies and manipulations no work. grin

He even asks you to read the link of your religious organization before you do.

Re: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by achorladey: 11:15pm On Sep 26, 2023

cornelboy:

Oya go and form a Christian militia group and arm yourself to the teeth.

Good luck.

Out of the abundance of your heart the mouth speaks and fingers type grin

The lies and manipulations no work. grin

He even asks you to read the link of your religious organization before you do.

Awon Israelites self defending themselves makes them philistines people grin

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