Aemmyjah:


Life is either a product of a Creator or by Chance... Which one is logical to you?

If life came from a Creator, it must have a purpose. If it came by chance, it is meaningless and purposeless... The people you call logical accept the latter

What is the purpose of mosquitoes on earth?

wirinet:

False premise leading to false conclusion.
If life must have a purpose because life came from a creator, then what's the purpose of the creator?
Life happening by chance does not render it meaningless and purposeless.

See fallacy?
Na wa o
Answer my question
Since the universe has a beginning a d will continue forever, the universe cannot be the Cause of its own existence. It is caused by something eternal or someone eternal
That is the example of critical thinking
Is that the same question you ask about the person that made your phone?

Aemmyjah:


See fallacy?
Na wa o
Answer my question
Since the universe has a beginning a d will continue forever, the universe cannot be the Cause of its own existence. It is caused by something eternal or someone eternal
That is the example of critical thinking
Is that the same question you ask about the person that made your phone?

See critical thinking! I avoid going into the same jejune argument with Christians I did in my undergraduate days in the university, circular arguments without any basis or logic.

If the universe has a beginning it must have an end. There is nothing like forever.

I laugh when I saw someone. Someone - a homo sapiens with two legs, an anus and a dick created the universe or universes. Let me guess, that person is a white Jewish old man with white beards that sits his associate on a throne begging for validation and worship.

Since the definition of the universe is all we know and we will ever know, what then can be external to it.

You guys talk a lot of tautology.

Aemmyjah:


As if they believe everything they have said and been saying
I accept proven fact

A theist telling an atheist he believes in proven facts? Whoa! This is richer than rich.
You believed all the bullshit in your buybull which includes a virgin having a baby without any insemination, sun and moon standing still, talking donkeys and snakes etc. All taken in by you without any shred of evidence they happened. Yet you speak of proven facts?
Dude its either your daftness is off the hook or you're on some high quality crystal meth. Either way you're damned

wirinet:


See critical thinking! I avoid going into the same jejune argument with Christians I did in my undergraduate days in the university, circular arguments without any basis or logic.

If the universe has a beginning it must have an end. There is nothing like forever.

I laugh when I saw someone. Someone - a homo sapiens with two legs, an anus and a dick created the universe or universes. Let me guess, that person is a white Jewish old man with white beards that sits his associate on a throne begging for validation and worship.

Since the definition of the universe is all we know and we will ever know, what then can be external to it.

You guys talk a lot of tautology.

Not sure that is the definition of the universe. Certainly not the one appropriate to this discussion. I believe the appropriate one is:

universe
/ˈjuːnɪvəːs/

noun

all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

DeepSight:


Not sure that is the definition of the universe. Certainly not the one appropriate to this discussion. I believe the appropriate one is:

universe
/ˈjuːnɪvəːs/

noun

all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

We are saying the same thing, except you now something else exists outside of space/matter and time.

The exact dimensions of the universe is unknowable. Why? Because any thing greater that a critical distance will be travelling away from us (expanding)faster than light. That means we cannot see or know what's beyond that point.

wirinet:


We are saying the same thing, except you now something else exists outside of space/matter and time.

The exact dimensions of the universe is unknowable. Why? Because any thing greater that a critical distance will be travelling away from us (expanding)faster than light. That means we cannot see or know what's beyond that point.

I understand that. However I think your co discussant will see things differently in that for him, matter is one thing only, and non material things exist beyond matter.

The universe being matter and non material things existing beyond the universe.

jaephoenix:

A theist telling an atheist he believes in proven facts? Whoa! This is richer than rich.
You believed all the bullshit in your buybull which includes a virgin having a baby without any insemination, sun and moon standing still, talking donkeys and snakes etc. All taken in by you without any shred of evidence they happened. Yet you speak of proven facts?
Dude its either your daftness is off the hook or you're on some high quality crystal meth. Either way you're damned

The the universe emerged from a cosmic explosion?
That evolution brings about complexity?
That something can come from nothing?
That language evolved from the grunts of brute beasts?
Only a fool will believe this and a more foolish person will accept them as fact

wirinet:


See critical thinking! I avoid going into the same jejune argument with Christians I did in my undergraduate days in the university, circular arguments without any basis or logic.

If the universe has a beginning it must have an end. There is nothing like forever.

I laugh when I saw someone. Someone - a homo sapiens with two legs, an anus and a dick created the universe or universes. Let me guess, that person is a white Jewish old man with white beards that sits his associate on a throne begging for validation and worship.

Since the definition of the universe is all we know and we will ever know, what then can be external to it.

You guys talk a lot of tautology.

If your mentality makes you think that the universe is a product of mere mortal man or humans, I'm not surprised
... Mentality get levels

DeepSight:


I understand that. However I think your co discussant will see things differently in that for him, matter is one thing only, and non material things exist beyond matter.

The universe being matter and non material things existing beyond the universe.

Please explain to me the meaning of non-material things. Now if you mean non matter, then i would understand, but then matter itself is just one manifestation of, for want of a better word ENERGY. Now space/time is another manifestation of that same energy, so also light (the electromagnetic spectrum).
So what other creator force is outside this energy?

Aemmyjah:


If your mentality makes you think that the universe is a product of mere mortal man or humans, I'm not surprised
... Mentality get levels

But your own mentality makes you think that the universe is the product of a super immortal man or human . I am very surprised.

wirinet:


Please explain to me the meaning of non-material things. Now if you mean non matter, then i would understand, but then matter itself is just one manifestation of, for want of a better word ENERGY. Now space/time is another manifestation of that same energy, so also light (the electromagnetic spectrum).
So what other creator force is outside this energy?

Again I understand all this. However I am trying to put across the fact that your co discussant, as a theist, likely does not believe that the physical is all that exists. Neither do I, to be frank.

Examples of non physical things?

An idea. A thought. Real time (Eternity). Real space (Infinity).

Maynman:
Everyone should be an atheist, that is the natural state.

Why do you need to believe, why can't you know?

It starts with believing. The ultimate goal is to know.

Ephesians 4:13
"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

You connect the spirit realm through faith. Faith would bring you into an experience of the supernatural. And that experience would deliver knowledge.

Some of us have passed beyond the realm of mere 'believing' into a state of knowing God. God is infinite, and knowing Him is an inexhaustible undertaking.

David didn't tell Solomon to just believe, he told Solomon his son in 1Chronucles 28:9:

"As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever."

David knew God and advised his son to do the same. Some of us know God while many others are stuck on the threshold of mere 'believing'. There are still a vast number who are blind and cannot perceive God. Yet, they refuse to take the simple step of faith which is the only criterion for connecting to the spiritual from the physical. I'll bring you into this realm if you make it this Saturday. Your ignorance as well as your rebellious spirit will be shattered!

I know you're chronically argumentative, and would rather argue than read to understand that faith is merely a starting point. God Himself brings you into experiential knowledge when you connect with Him by faith.

I would not engage you in any unnecessary argument. Be in Ibadan on Saturday. No one argues an evidence.

wirinet:

But your own mentality makes you think that the universe is the product of a super immortal man or human . I am very surprised.

I never ever said or believe it came by superimmortal man or human... Your ignorance is just too high, you can't reach it... Stick with those that belive that the universe came from nothing

FxMasterz:

It starts with believing. The ultimate goal is to know.

It starts with doubt not belief, when you believe you stop thinking.

Maynman:

It starts with doubt not belief, when you believe you stop thinking.

Mtcheww

geoworldedu:

What is the purpose of mosquitoes on earth?

You see how Aemmyjah ran away from this question?
That's home he has been dodging questions here since

FxMasterz:


Mtcheww

I wonder why you don't "believe" all religions, since it starts with that.

Aemmyjah:


The the universe emerged from a cosmic explosion?
That evolution brings about complexity?
That something can come from nothing?
That language evolved from the grunts of brute beasts?
Only a fool will believe this and a more foolish person will accept them as fact

So where did Yahweh come from?
Also I have given you copious amount of evidence of the veracity of evolution. Yet you cannot comprehend it. And you even claim to be a 'biologist' lol

FxMasterz:

It starts with believing. The ultimate goal is to know.

Ephesians 4:13
"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

You connect the spirit realm through faith. Faith would bring you into an experience of the supernatural. And that experience would deliver knowledge.

Some of us have passed beyond the realm of mere 'believing' into a state of knowing God. God is infinite, and knowing Him is an inexhaustible undertaking.

David didn't tell Solomon to just believe, he told Solomon his son in 1Chronucles 28:9:

"As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever."

David knew God and advised his son to do the same. Some of us know God while many others are stuck on the threshold of mere 'believing'. There are still a vast number who are blind and cannot perceive God. Yet, they refuse to take the simple step of faith which is the only criterion for connecting to the spiritual from the physical. I'll bring you into this realm if you make it this Saturday. Your ignorance as well as your rebellious spirit will be shattered!

I know you're chronically argumentative, and would rather argue than read to understand that faith is merely a starting point. God Himself brings you into experiential knowledge when you connect with Him by faith.

I would not engage you in any unnecessary argument. Be in Ibadan on Saturday. No one argues an evidence.

You're engaging an atheist and quoting the buybull?
Would you engage a Muslim that keeps on rapping the Koran?

Maynman:

I wonder why you don't "believe" all religions, since it starts with that.

And who told you that God is interested in any religion?

Aemmyjah:


I never ever said or believe it came by superimmortal man or human... Your ignorance is just too high, you can't reach it... Stick with those that belive that the universe came from nothing

What do you understand by 'super immortal man'?

FxMasterz:


And who told you that God is interested in any religion?

And this god is interested in "beliefs"?

FxMasterz:


And who told you that God is interested in any religion?

Which god?

jaephoenix:

You're engaging an atheist and quoting the buybull?
Would you engage a Muslim that keeps on rapping the Koran?

The said Atheists Understands my point. He thinks it's all ends in belief. I showed him from my books that we're more than mere believers. We're knowers. From which other place do you want me to show him? From a book of evolution?

FxMasterz:


The said Atheists Understands my point. He thinks it's all ends in belief. I showed him from my books that we're more than mere believers. We're knowers. From which other place do you want me to show him? From a book of evolution?

Theist, your god is Yahweh, a common Israelite god.

I don't think you even know what a-theist means.

jaephoenix:

Which god?

What's your concern? Am I talking to you?

Maynman:

Theist, your god is Yahweh, a common Israelite god.

I don't think you even know what a-theist means.

Meet me on Saturday! That's all. I don't need your nonesense talks. I believe in practicality.

FxMasterz:


The said Atheists Understands my point. He thinks it's all ends in belief. I showed him from my books that we're more than mere believers. We're knowers. From which other place do you want me to show him? From a book of evolution?

You know what exactly?
You 'know' that donkeys talks? Or people sleep inside whales etc?

FxMasterz:

What's your concern? Am I talking to you?

Ok. No p

FxMasterz:


Meet me on Saturday! That's all. I don't need your nonesense talks. I believe in practicality.

Meet me on Saturday in Akure. You are believing nonsense.
Go to hospitals and demonstrate the practicality...you can't, you can't deceive yourself.

Maynman:

And this god is interested in "beliefs"?

Do you have comprehension issues? Or what type of question is this?

I said faith is the only way to connect the spirit realm from the physical. What does that have to do with any God?