plaindealer:



Look at this joker trying to spin my post, sending you to outside vendors means you can print your replacements from outside vendors, not any specific vendor even though some schools have official vendors.

CSU stated in a court of law that the certificates are almost meaningless papers, they are ceremonial papers so of what relevance are meaningful ceremonial papers that mean nothing at the end of the day?

Dude, that argument is lame, even if Tinubu wrote with his hand on toilet paper that he graduated, it is legit because he indeed graduated and was awarded a certificate and a certified copy.


All the silly noise about forged certificates is just pointless, ignorant, and utterly irrelevant.

Say he did nit graduate then I'll take you seriously.]

You are still not being honest. Whether he graduated or not never gave him the rights to create a certificate for himself.

Even the USA will not accept this argument. If he wanted a replacement he should simply have approached the CSU.

He knew he was contesting a Nigerian election not American and even the Americans won't accept this for the highest office of the land.

SuperStriker:


Prove me wrong.

Na me this joker won troll.

You no fit...go and sit down or keep peddling your ignorant rubbish.

SuperStriker:


You are still not being honest. Whether he graduated or not never gave him the rights to create a certificate for himself.

Even the USA will not accept this argument. If he wanted a replacement he should simply have approached the CSU.

He knew he was contesting a Nigerian election not American and even the Americans won't accept this for the highest office of the land.

According to you and your village school right?

Comedian..

PureFace1:


It is you people that have decided to be close minded and Ignorant.

There are different ways of doing things in different parts of the world, it is not one shoes fit all. What is possible in Nigeria may not be possible in China or Japan and vice versa.

They say USA don't attach much important to Certificate but transcript and records and the school said it allow student to get replacement certificate through third party vendor outside but many Nigerians are stubborn and close minded.

If the school allowed it who are you guys to say otherwise and say it must be your way ? You guys are all delusional as long as the school didn't deny him Atiku is just wasting his time.

Are you allowed to get the replacement from third party vendors without the knowledge of the school which is the issuing body?

plaindealer:



Na me this joker won troll.

You no fit...go and sit down or keep peddling your ignorant rubbish.

Prove me wrong or you go and siddon

SuperStriker:


Are you allowed to get the replacement from third party vendors without the knowledge of the school which is the issuing body?

Capital YES.

It's up to you to source your diploma from anywhere even if the school contracts with official vendors, you still don't have to go through them, the choice is yours.

Certificates are not legal documents so they are virtually meaningless.

How do you even forge meaningless papers that are not even legal documents?

You people are never serious, you just love to swim butterflies in your own ignorance and flawed perceptions about the places you know nothing about.

SuperStriker:


Prove me wrong or you go and siddon

How do you prove olodo wrong after proving the olodo wrong a million times?

you are chronically ignorant and no amount of education fit deliver you..

plaindealer:


Your own opinion, not fact, besides, CSU and US universities care less what you print on Paper, they are ceremonial perpers which means nothing, all they care about are the school transcripts which you cannot say are forged.

Even if he wrote what he sent to INCE on toilet paper without the school's knowledge, it means nothing as long as he duly graduated and the school as far as we know claimed he graduated with proof in a court of law.




This is your own fabricated opinion and self-imposed headache, you don't need any school authorization to reprint your own legally earned certificates with signatures, vendors print certificates every second of the day all over the place with signatures.

Or do you mean when schools like CSU send their students to vendors or outside sources for their replacement certificates, it means they are asking the students to go and forge their certificates?

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Because US universities including CSU allow their students to source their replacements from vendors or even Oluwole in Nigeria because it's a meaningless ceremonial paper, they don't care where you get it from.


Again, stop acting as if it's by force to sound ignorant and uneducated.

You cannot forge what you earned legitimately it's impossible and this is even common sense, but you people act as if God skips the parts of your brains with common sense.

One time, I wanted to travel with my home theatre to school from home, but I couldn't because I had misplaced it. And I was trying to avoid police wahala for road. I could have easily forged the receipt since I bought it instead of going back to the store where I got it from.
But if I had forged it and along the line I was flagged down by the police and I entered up arrested for alleged stolen property. Will the forged receipt help my case if the store testifies that the particular receipt wasn't from them?

2elliot:
One time, I wanted to travel with my home theatre to school from home, but I couldn't because I had misplaced it. And I was trying to avoid police wahala for road. I could have easily forged the receipt since I bought it instead of going back to the store where I got it from.
But if I had forged it and along the line I was flagged down by the police and I entered up arrested for alleged stolen property. Will the forged receipt help my case if the store testifies that the particular receipt wasn't from them?

There's no evidence to show Tinubu forged his certificate. The evidence from the deposition and as pointed out also by the BBC shows that he likely got replacement certificate in 1999 which is what he submitted to INEC.

plaindealer:



Capital YES.

It's up to you to source your diploma from anywhere even if the school contracts with official vendors, you still don't have to go through them, the choice is yours.

Certificates are not legal documents so they are virtually meaningless.

How do you even forge meaningless papers that are not even legal documents?

You people are never serious, you just love to swim butterflies in your own ignorance and flawed perceptions about the places you know nothing about.

You are a liar.

God help Nigeria with the new low you people want Nigeria to descend to just becauseof one man that will never do anything right in his life.

Keep deceiving yourself and other gullible ones.

Even the CSU described those vendors as online fraudsters that print certificates for folks. The registrar confirmed that they are available on Google

GeneralDae:

There's no evidence to show Tinubu forged his certificate. The evidence from the deposition and as pointed out also by the BBC shows that he likely got replacement certificate in 1999 which is what he submitted to INEC.

The CSU registrar dismissed the INEC certificate under oath

SuperStriker:


You are a liar.

God help Nigeria with the new low you people want Nigeria to descend to just becauseof one man that will never do anything right in his life.

Keep deceiving yourself and other gullible ones.

Even the CSU described those vendors as online fraudsters that print certificates for folks. The registrar confirmed that they are available on Google

Let's forget this third party vendor argument for now. But you cannot prove to me that Tinubu forged his certificate. Also, I am convinced you didn't read the deposition and the BBC article. You just took the BBC headline only. The article explains why there's no evidence of a forged certificate.

SuperStriker:


You are a liar.

God help Nigeria with the new low you people want Nigeria to descend to just becauseof one man that will never do anything right in his life.

Keep deceiving yourself and other gullible ones.

Even the CSU described those vendors as online fraudsters that print certificates for folks. The registrar confirmed that they are available on Google

Oya, keep crying, don't stop abeg..

SuperStriker:


The CSU registrar dismissed the INEC certificate under oath

Nah they didn't. Nowhere in the deposition did that happen.

plaindealer:



Oya, keep crying, don't stop abeg..

This news is contrary to the deposition.

SuperStriker:


The CSU registrar dismissed the INEC certificate under oath

This is when people cannot read, comprehend or understand English words and follow the same court procedures, they always come up with their own flawed and ignorant understanding.

GeneralDae:

Let's forget this third party vendor argument for now. But you cannot prove to me that Tinubu forged his certificate. Also, I am convinced you didn't read the deposition and the BBC article. You just took the BBC headline only. The article explains why there's no evidence of a forged certificate.

I have read the deposition from cover to cover, not the BBC report though

GeneralDae:

Nah they didn't. Nowhere in the deposition did that happen.

Seems they have their own different court with different CSU and Atilku lawyers because everything that comes out of their mouth has nothing to do with what happened inside that court in the US.

SuperStriker:


I have read the deposition from cover to cover, not the BBC report though

...but you are here arguing blindly in a thread about the same BBC report that you haven't read.?

Does this make sense at all?

Who swear for you people?

SuperStriker:


I have read the deposition from cover to cover, not the BBC report though

The deposition is enough. If you've read the deposition, you don't need the BBC report.

If you understand the deposition you can't say that CSU disowned the INEC certificate as not coming from them.

GeneralDae:

The deposition is enough. If you've read the deposition, you don't need the BBC report.

If you understand the deposition you can't say that CSU disowned the INEC certificate as not coming from them.

Go and read pages 40 and 41

plaindealer:




...but you are here arguing blindly in a thread about the same BBC report that you haven't read.?

Does this make sense at all?

Who swear for you people?

Immediately I read the first line of the OP, I knew he didn't read the BBC article.
The BBC article in its entirety showed there's no evidence the INEC certificate was forged. It wasn't speaking about college records but was mainly focussed on the INEC certificate.

SuperStriker:


Go and read pages 40 and 41

I have read it.

plaindealer:




...but you are here arguing blindly in a thread about the same BBC report that you haven't read.?

Does this make sense at all?

Who swear for you people?

I am interested in the deposition and not BBC. BBC is not the issuing authority of the document

GeneralDae:

I have read it.

Good

SuperStriker:


Good

I know what you think is there that supports your argument. But you have to read everything again from beginning.

The question in page 40 and 41 about CSU seeing a similar INEC certificate issued in 1979 is rightly no because Tinubu did not get his replacement certificate in 1979. Go and read everything again.

SuperStriker:


I am interested in the deposition and not BBC. BBC is not the issuing authority of the document

Even that on sef you no read, comprehend or understand hence your endless silly, uneducated gymnastics and rubbish.

...but I'm 1100000000000% sure you did not read anything at all.

GeneralDae:

I know what you think is there that supports your argument. But you have to read everything again from beginning.

The question in page 40 and 41 about CSU seeing a similar INEC certificate issued in 1979 is rightly no because Tinubu did not get his replacement certificate in 1979. Go and read everything again.

Give me a link to the complete BBC report

plaindealer:



Even that on sese you no read, comprehend or understand hence your endless silly, uneducated gymnastics and rubbish.

...but I'm 1100000000000% sure you did not read anything at all.

They mostly depend on a few screenshots mostly from page 40 and 41 which they don't understand. Funny people.

SuperStriker:


Give me a link to the complete BBC report

Here we go.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67067854

GeneralDae:

I know what you think is there that supports your argument. But you have to read everything again from beginning.

The question in page 40 and 41 about CSU seeing a similar INEC certificate issued in 1979 is rightly no because Tinubu did not get his replacement certificate in 1979. Go and read everything again.

If the diploma was issued in 1999 it ought to have carried 1999 like the exhibits but it was carrying 1979.

SuperStriker:


If the diploma was issued in 1999 it ought to have carried 1999 like the exhibits but it was carrying 1979.

The exhibits were those of students whose graduation year was actually 1998 and 1999. Tinubu's own was a replacement certificate.