Dtruthspeaker:
You will always be penalized and punished when you take something that your Ruler planned to give you before the appointed time.

You're smarter than this, look at the request properly. The request didnt warrant you, giving a penalty and punishment response. You've given an uncalled for response to an unknown request.

Here's the request again (i.e. repeating it below)

Now let see how well knowledgeable you are

1. What particular and isolated action was it, that Adam did, that was the reason for the ground be cursed on his account? (i.e. Genesis 3:17)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:

You're smarter than this, look at the request properly. The request didnt warrant you, giving a penalty and punishment response. You've given an uncalled for response to an unknown request...

You view so small that you forgot that you said
"NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
God, from the word, go, already had approved when He mandated A&E to procreate, as in, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth (i.e. Genesis 1:28)."

Hence my response.

So i take it that you are not able to give any direct valid counter

NNTR:

The way that people living in groups make decisions. It essentially is about making agreements between people so that they can live together in groups

This is what makes POLITICS the forbidden fruit.

God never created humans to make decisions on how to rule their communities rather God supposed to be the one and only Person who is setting the standard.

So when Satan introduced the tree of knowledge of good and evil he was indirectly telling them to cut God off the scene then they can start making decisions on what is to be termed as GOOD and what is to be termed as EVIL {Genesis 3:5} note what Jesus said about the issue:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." John 5:30

Satan disagree with this that's why he introduced rebellion to the first human couple and since he knew it will end up becoming a problem for mankind he continued promoting politics until he finally gained control over the entire human race. That's why God's word called Satan the Prince of the world {John 14:30} the god of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} and the evil one under whose control lies the whole world! 1John 5:19

Please also note, the major reason God kicked out man from the garden is so that he'll not also take and eat of the fruit of the tree of Life and live forever. Gen.3:22

kotaru:
Genesis 2:16-17 God commanded Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...

Genesis 2:18 God considers making Adam a companion (woman)...

Genesis 2:21-22 God created a companion for Adam.

It is obvious from the sequence of events, as recorded in the bible, that Sex is not the Forbidden Fruit. This is because the commandment not to eat of the Forbidden Fruit came before the creation of women...

Good argument but wrong for man means male and female (Genesis 1: 27) and Gen 1:29 shows it is "them" He blessed not one person.

And in Genesis 3, you see that the female was aware of The Law even before she committed the crime. So your focus should be on the crime scene and the players present and play Sherlock Holmes to pick the evidence surrounding this great crime.

You seem to be a lie spreader. Truthspeaker my *ss

1. The tree was there before Adam was formed, and long before the woman was created. How did you end up with your sex induced conclusion?

2. It is said of the woman: Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

Is sex good for food? Can sex make one wise?

Liarspreader, if the woman ate first, alone, before giving her husband, did she have sex with herself; and did her husband have sex with himself? This would have to be masturbation theory o! An idle mind is the devil’s workshop.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what makes POLITICS the forbidden fruit.

God never created humans to make decisions on how to rule their communities rather God supposed to be the one and only Person who is setting the standard.

So when Satan introduced the tree of knowledge of good and evil he was indirectly telling them to cut God off the scene then they can start making decisions on what is to be termed as GOOD and what is to be termed as EVIL {Genesis 3:5} note what Jesus said about the issue:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." John 5:30

Satan disagree with this that's why he introduced rebellion to the first human couple and since he knew it will end up becoming a problem for mankind he continued promoting politics until he finally gained control over the entire human race. That's why God's word called Satan the Prince of the world {John 14:30} the god of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} and the evil one under whose control lies the whole world! 1John 5:19

The word, church, that Jesus, God Incarnate used, in Matthew 16:18
1. What's the original word He used?
2. What's the meaning of that word?
3. Define politics

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Dtruthspeaker:
You view so small that you forgot that you said
"NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
God, from the word, go, already had approved when He mandated A&E to procreate, as in, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth (i.e. Genesis 1:28)."

Hence my response.

So i take it that you are not able to give any direct valid counter

You unable to give an outright response, so, I'll give you a leg up.

Aside the explicit purview of the Genesis 3:17 mandate:

1. What particular and isolated action was it, that Adam, himself, did, that was the reason for the ground be cursed on his account? (i.e. Genesis 3:17)[/b]
- Now how you respond and your answer will show, how well knowledgeable you really are

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

LordReed:

LoLz! Na you talk say sex na forbidden fruit, na you no wan answer whether you dey sex your wife or if na sex your papa and mama use take born you so na you e dey pepper well well. Bwahahahahahaha!

Efribody don see wetin i talk and all of dem no ask me about sex with my wife because dem know say e no correct. So na you wey because the thing dey pepper you and you no fit bear am kon dey talk off off point dey try to dey use magu-magu to take bend am to talk about me and my wife.

Now your eye don see pepper tire as you still no find any valid thing to talk despite all your scam and fraud! Loserlord! hianhahabahahahahahahaha!

NNTR:
You unable to give an outright response, so, I'll give you a leg up.

Aside the explicit purview of the Genesis 3:17 mandate:

1. What particular and isolated action was it, that Adam, himself, did, that was the reason for the ground be cursed on his account? (i.e. Genesis 3:17)[/b]
- Now how you respond and your answer will show, how well knowledgeable you really are

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You are unable to answer my response to your point
NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
God, from the word, go, already had approved when He mandated A&E to procreate, as in, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth (i.e. Genesis 1:28).

So you can go now, byeee!

kotaru:
Please also note, the major reason God kicked out man from the garden is so that he'll not also take and eat of the fruit of the tree of Life and live forever. Gen.3:22

Not the issue. But I think when you break a Law, you lose many rights and privileges so it's only consequential that they be thrown out so as not to get into more trouble in their attempt to nullify God's Judgment and Sentencing to death by making an attempt to get Life.

NNTR:
The word, church, that Jesus, God Incarnate used, in Matthew 16:18
1. What's the original word He used?
2. What's the meaning of that word?
3. Define politics

I only understood the last question:
POLITICS is the method or ideology employed by a people to run their affairs it is purely combine ideas agreed upon.

But according to God's word man wasn't created to run our own affairs rather we are to rely on the direction from God.

That's why Samuel condemned the decision of Israelites choosing a human King {1Samuel 8:6} so he revealed to them what all human societies are experiencing today from their rulers! 1Samuel 8:10-18

Kasalagoburst:
You seem to be a lie spreader. Truthspeaker my *ss
1. The tree was there before Adam was formed, and long before the woman was created. How did you end up with your sex induced conclusion?

You already know that your argument will fall which is why you began with insults and abuse

Genesis 2 technically shows that man was even created before the Tree. So you are the liar!

Kasalagoburst:

2. It is said of the woman: Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

And sex marks all these points.

Kasalagoburst:

Is sex good for food? Can sex make one wise?

People have already confined that sex is food and it is also confirmed that eues opened after it as we call whorès and whoreé eaters sharp and wise.

You are the one who is the Liar!

Kasalagoburst:

Liarspreader, if the woman ate first, alone, before giving her husband, did she have sex with herself; and did her husband have sex with himself? This would have to be masturbation theory o! An idle mind is the devil’s workshop.

The word "took" already shows that you are a very Stupid Liar even in the face of all you see and experienced e.g. like women having sex with dogs and horses and serpents.

If my post dey pain you go jump from 3rd mainland bridge make you wait me for judgment Day Mumu Idiot!

MaxInDHouse:
I only understood the last question:
POLITICS is the method or ideology employed by a people to run their affairs it is purely combine ideas agreed upon.

But according to God's word man wasn't created to run our own affairs rather we are to rely on the direction from God.

That's why Samuel condemned the decision of Israelites choosing a human King {1Samuel 8:6} so he revealed to them what all human societies are experiencing today from their rulers! 1Samuel 8:10-18

At least you are honest, about not understanding, what the original word for 'church' as used by Jesus is, and not understanding what the meaning of the word is. Good, you understand what good politics is as opposed to bad politics or dirty politics (i.e. the last question)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Dtruthspeaker:
You are unable to answer my response to your point
NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
God, from the word, go, already had approved when He mandated A&E to procreate, as in, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth (i.e. Genesis 1:28).

So you can go now, byeee!

Throwing tantrum, from unable to tell exactly what action Adam did, that would single out the ground be cursed on his account. That would transform the ground to be become uncooperative, difficult, tough, laborious, strenuous, back breaking et cetera. Why the ground, be at a receiving end of it. What act specifically, is it, aside copulation, that Adam did?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I agreed with Moderator101 that idolatry was the forbidden fruit for some reasons. From my experience and knowledge about the Scriptures, it is not meant to be read like a simple story book. One needs the Holy Spirit to interpret it.

Satan, who was likened to the serpent and sometimes as the dragon in the Scriptures made Adam and Eve to rebel against God in the Garden of Eden.

Rebellion was on several counts compared to idolatry (1 Samuel 15:23). From my spiritual journey and knowledge, Satan caused Adam and Eve to be initiated into witchcraft through rebellion and idolatry. He promised them enlightenment via the forbidden fruit (witchcraft).

In the Book of Proverbs Chapter 1, it was clearly stated that the Holy Scriptures employed riddles, enigma, and other literary devices. It isn't read plainly like a story book. It also requires divine interpretations because the men who wrote it had their inspiration from the Holy Spirit.

There are several other parts of the Bible which cause controversies that I have been able to study and interpret, eg the Book of Daniel, Thessalonians, and Revelations.

I am opened to sensible questions and debates.

NB: I did not want to go further with my for agreeing with Moderator101 due to the excessive folly exhibited by Dtruthspeaker. I just need to further on this due to others that may stubble on this thread.

NNTR:
Throwing tantrum, from unable to tell exactly what action Adam did, that would single out the ground be cursed on his account. That would transform the ground to be become uncooperative, difficult, tough, laborious, strenuous, back breaking et cetera. Why the ground, be at a receiving end of it. What act specifically, is it, aside copulation, that Adam did?..

It is not my fault If you cannot see that this is one of the stupidest question any one can ask. So obviously you cannot address my answer to the real and valid question you asked
NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
God, from the word, go, already had approved when He mandated A&E to procreate, as in, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth (i.e. Genesis 1:28).

So, you are free to go!

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not my fault If you cannot see that this is one of the stupidest question any one can ask. So obviously you cannot address my answer to the real and valid question you asked
NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
God, from the word, go, already had approved when He mandated A&E to procreate, as in, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth (i.e. Genesis 1:28).

So, you are free to go!

The question(s) choke you, but I am on to you, as if like a bad rash. Go figure

Whats the lame question? Whats your lame question?

Repeat it here.
- after I have response to the whatever lame question, it is, I dare you give a clear and detailed response by telling exactly what the action was Adam did, that would single out the ground be cursed on his account. That would transform the ground to become uncooperative, difficult, tough, laborious, strenuous, back breaking et cetera. Why was the ground, at a receiving end of it all? What act specifically, was it, aside copulation, that Adam did?.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Davoneskay:
I agreed with Moderator101 that idolatry was the forbidden fruit for some reasons. From my experience and knowledge about the Scriptures, it is not meant to be read like a simple story book. One needs the Holy Spirit to interpret it.

Satan, who was likened to the serpent and sometimes as the dragon in the Scriptures made Adam and Eve to rebel against God in the Garden of Eden.

Rebellion was on several counts compared to idolatry (1 Samuel 15:23). From my spiritual journey and knowledge, Satan caused Adam and Eve to be initiated into witchcraft through rebellion and idolatry. He promised them enlightenment via the forbidden fruit (witchcraft).

In the Book of Proverbs Chapter 1, it was clearly stated that the Holy Scriptures employed riddles, enigma, and other literary devices. It isn't read plainly like a story book. It also requires divine interpretations because the men who wrote it had their inspiration from the Holy Spirit.

There are several other parts of the Bible which cause controversies that I have been able to study and interpret, eg the Book of Daniel, Thessalonians, and Revelations.

I am opened to sensible questions and debates.

NB: I did not want to go further with my for agreeing with Moderator101 due to the excessive folly exhibited by Dtruthspeaker. I just need to further on this due to others that may stubble on this thread.

You are not even able to point out the folly you allege neither have you presented any reasonable counter to my post. So you are obviously talking nonsense.

Secondly, they were not technically not Charged for Rebellion but for DISOBEDIENCE TO CLEAR AND DIRECT ORDER AND COMMANDMENT.

AND THIS IS STILL OFF POINT!

So, if you cannot say any valid and reasonsble thing with regard to the post, then fûck your whorè!

NNTR:
The question(s) choke you, but I am on to you, as if like a bad rash. Go figure

Only a stupid person answers a stupid question.

NNTR:
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Whats the lame question? Whats your lame question?

See madness don start!

Dtruthspeaker:
Only a stupid person answers a stupid question.

The predictable response and pattern you are well infamous of.

Litttle do you know, that, its stupid questions that makes you think hard. Also that, the only stupid question is the question that is never asked bwahahahahaha

Dtruthspeaker:
See madness don start!

You unashamedly resort to playing 'See madness don start!' card simply because you lack the intelligence, cerebral capacity, competence and capability, responding to the question simply because you find it difficult to give a coherent and convincing answer to. There is no such thing as stupid questions… only stupid answers. Now, its you, giving a stupid answer, is what's scaring you stiff cold and stopping you.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Oga go rest na. This your false doctrine no fit fly here. How will GOD give them amu and otu and also gave them the commandment to be fruitful and multiply and still told them not to have sex. How will they multiply without their tools? The devil thought them to be disobedient. The forbidden fruit is disobedience or lawlessness. That is what brings God's wrath on ppl. This your false doctrine will always crash like a pack of cards. Stop wasting your time on it

The one who had sex with the devil is the one they call Lilith. They produced and impure bloodline to fight against the pure bloodline God created via Adam and Eve. Those satan's seed now rule the world and against the children of light

NNTR:
At least you are honest, about not understanding, what the original word for 'church' as used by Jesus is, and not understanding what the meaning of the word is. Good, you understand what good politics is as opposed to bad politics or dirty politics (i.e. the last question)

Oh so it's the word "CHURCH" that you were asking shey?

Well CHURCH means a CONGREGATION and in a congregation it's the spirit they worship that determines the rules not combined opinion unlike politics where different people agree on terms and conditions a church is under the control of the god/deity/spirit they're worshiping.

So don't think politics has anything to do with the worship of the true God otherwise Paul who joined Christianity after the ascension of Christ shouldn't be the one telling Peter what is right or wrong such doesn't happen in POLITICS.

NNTR:

Litttle do you know, that, its stupid questions that makes you think hard.

See madness don increase.

bobestman:
Oga go rest na. This your false doctrine no fit fly here. How will GOD give them amu and otu and also gave them the commandment to be fruitful and multiply and still told them not to have sex. How will they multiply without their tools? The devil thought them to be disobedient. The forbidden fruit is disobedience or lawlessness. That is what brings God's wrath on ppl. This your false doctrine will always crash like a pack of cards. Stop wasting your time on it

The one who had sex with the devil is the one they call Lilith. They produced and impure bloodline to fight against the pure bloodline God created via Adam and Eve. Those satan's seed now rule the world and against the children of light

God created only one woman now you don come talk say na 2,

Then how would God punish Ada for a crime comitted by Lily? E no fit happen.

Secondly, even though you tell.your pikin say you go buy Ps5 give am and you kon buy am keep am kon warn am don't touch, if d pikin go dey slam am with Gta5, no be collect e must collect?

Dtruthspeaker:


God created only one woman now you don come talk say na 2,

Then how would God punish Ada for a crime comitted by Lily? E no fit happen.

Secondly, even though you tell.your pikin say you go buy Ps5 give am and you kon buy am keep am kon warn am don't touch, if d pikin go dey slam am with Gta5, no be collect e must collect?

You ppl know nothing about the creation story. Ppl were before Adam. Adam was created to establish a new pure bloodline God want to use as his ppl. Adam and Eve failed a test that would have made them live forever. They gave them simple instruction that they failed. It has nothing to do with sex. Their is enough fact to trash this your new found doctrine. Sorry it is total hogwash

WELCOME TO RELIGIOUS PROMISCUITY. HER NAME IS EVE PERSONALITY OF EVIL. THAT WAS HOW SHE BORE US OUT OF THE SERPENT UNTIL NOW THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS DELIVERING SOME OF US @THE VIRGIN MARY.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh so it's the word "CHURCH" that you were asking shey?

I asked that you give me the original word, from which the word 'CHURCH' evolved and translated from

MaxInDHouse:
Well CHURCH means a CONGREGATION and in a congregation it's the spirit they worship that determines the rules not combined opinion unlike politics where different people agree on terms and conditions a church is under the control of the god/deity/spirit they're worshiping.

CHURCH actually means circe, and has a idolatry connotation associated with it
The Greek word for congregation isnt the word, church. Church wasnt the word used by Jesus in Matthew 16:18, so please tell me, what was the exact word our Lord and Saviour of the WWW (i.e. Whole Wide World) used in Matthew 16:18 please

MaxInDHouse:
So don't think politics has anything to do with the worship of the true God otherwise Paul who joined Christianity after the ascension of Christ shouldn't be the one telling Peter what is right or wrong such doesn't happen in POLITICS.

Paul never joined Christianity.
Politics whether in the family, workplace, fellowships, local council level, state level, or national level, can be good politics, bad and dirty politics, depending on how its played

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Dtruthspeaker:
See madness don increase.

Mark 3:20-22
20Then Jesus went home. Again such a large crowd gathered that Jesus and his disciples had no time to eat.
21When His family heard about it, they set out to take charge of him, because people were saying, “He's gone mad!”
22 Some teachers of the Law who had come from Jerusalem were saying,
“He has Beelzebul in him! It is the chief of the demons who gives him the power to drive them out.”

I wear the madness, as a badge of honour, same way, my Lord and Saviour of the WWW (i.e. Whole Wide World) wore.

When a true genius appears, you can know such by this sign:
That all the dunces are in a confederacy against him/her

Now little do you know that, there is no great genius without some touch of madness and that name calling, is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Lies from the pit of hell!

someone will just sit down and think, how can i trend today? If you read genesis you'll know there is no parable and it's purely narrative. It's exactly how it is.

U people capping a lot of Shiit about this sex of a thing...

Is it not this toto we dey fvck everyday?

There's nothing in this sex... Shiiit get down on daily basis...